obama to condemn Christian film maker before UN

[Steelplate]

I think you need to read the OP where it says Obama is planning a speech going before the UN and condemning a video which is protected speech under US jurisprudence. After that you should go back and reread my question that challenged you to name a single example of any president condemning the speech of a US citizen in front of the UN in the last 237 years. After you do that you can explain why, since I am using the word condemn properly, I need to learn what it means.

Alternatively, you could take the simple way out and pretend this never happened.

So...you are saying he should embrace the film?

Well...perhaps he should go on there and embrace the KKK, Nazism, the Westboro Baptist Church(there's an ambassador of Christ, right amazed?), pornography, snuff films, and a host of other shit that people have the RIGHT to do(except, of course....the snuff films).

Condemning the film takes no one's rights away. It's a message of disapproval....nothing more.

Let me ask you this....when in the last 237 years....which is a bullshit number, BTW because the UN has only been in existence for 67 years....since 1945.....but when in the last 67 years has a citizen of the US created such unrest that this shit is necessary to try to calm things down?

Of course, it seems that you guys don't want to calm things down. You want a holy war and any stupid, fucked up reason is good enough. Haven't you seen enough bloodshed? Haven't you seen enough pain? Haven't you seen enough wasted time, money and lives?

No, I am saying what I have said multiple times, the government should not have a position on the content of speech. Period.

Tell me something, if Romney gets elected and goes to the UN to condemn The Book of Mormon, would that be acceptable in your world? In mine, it would be just as wrong.

Yes, it should have a position....If the content does not represent the sentiment of the country.

As far as the Romney scenario, Why would he do that? He's a Mormon....I'm not following you on that.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Maybe you guys should realize that the United States Constitution holds no water away from the United States.

Maybe you should realize we are talking about the government of the United States.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Maybe you guys should realize that the United States Constitution holds no water away from the United States.

Maybe you liberals should realize that Obama is the President of the United States..Not Iran, not Syria..

Maybe you should realize the film was made in this country and it's speech is protected.

Protecting someone's speech does not mean you have to endorse what they say. Does the right wing brain have the capacity to hold two coexisting views?

Here is you task for the day...look up the definition of these two words and see if they are synonyms.

protect

endorse

Why do you think staying neutral about the film is endorsing it? It seems that you are the one having a problem holding the conflicting views here, not the rest of us.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Remember what one of the key elements was in the outrage over the 'ground zero' mosque??

It was that the Muslims building it were inconsiderate of the feelings of the families of the 9/11 victims...

...that Muslims building the mosque should be willing to forego their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT out of consideration for those hurt feelings.

Hmmmm....the analogy is??? Anyone???

Do you remember Bush condemning either side of the debate?

 

[Steelplate]

Maybe you guys should realize that the United States Constitution holds no water away from the United States.

Maybe you should realize we are talking about the government of the United States.

Which does not live in a vacuum and is part of a global community.

 

[Cowman]

What do you expect from *BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA*? His name ain't Larry Johnson or something like that is it? No. It's a MUSLIM name...

It's a fucking Arabic name, not a Muslim name. It existed before Islam ever did.

 

[idb]

I have still failed to find any report that says that Obama is going to condemn the "film" maker.
Or even where he's going to apologise.

Can someone please help?
I'm feeling left out of the conversation.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

What do you expect from *BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA*? His name ain't Larry Johnson or something like that is it? No. It's a MUSLIM name...

It's a fucking Arabic name, not a Muslim name. It existed before Islam ever did.

Despite rumors to the contrary, U.S. President Barack Obama is not a practing Muslim. However, President Obama does have an unusual name which reflects his African Muslim heritage.
Barack Obama - Meaning of Barack Obama Name

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I think you need to learn what condemn means. We've been over this already, your wrong, let it go.

I think you need to read the OP where it says Obama is planning a speech going before the UN and condemning a video which is protected speech under US jurisprudence. After that you should go back and reread my question that challenged you to name a single example of any president condemning the speech of a US citizen in front of the UN in the last 237 years. After you do that you can explain why, since I am using the word condemn properly, I need to learn what it means.

Alternatively, you could take the simple way out and pretend this never happened.

Again does obama condemning mean this man cant make this video again?
Where is this mans free speech violated?

Excuse me Plasmaboil? Can you point out where I said anyone's rights were violated? Because, if I did say that, I don't remember it, and if I didn't, you are a complete fucking idiot that doesn't deserve any more respect than the idiots that blamed the murders in Libya on a video.

Stupid inbred sack of meat, go have a shit throwing contest with a monkey.

 

[freedombecki]

I have still failed to find any report that says that Obama is going to condemn the "film" maker.
Or even where he's going to apologise.

Can someone please help?
I'm feeling left out of the conversation.

idb, I found one this morning or yesterday when I heard of this, because I couldn't believe it. He released a copy of his upcoming UN speech to reporters already. I can't remember which one of them published it yesterday. I'll try and find it, but no guarantees.

Edit: idb, here it is: Scroll down to Paragraph 3, and it has some of the planned content.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I think you need to read the OP where it says Obama is planning a speech going before the UN and condemning a video which is protected speech under US jurisprudence. After that you should go back and reread my question that challenged you to name a single example of any president condemning the speech of a US citizen in front of the UN in the last 237 years. After you do that you can explain why, since I am using the word condemn properly, I need to learn what it means.

Alternatively, you could take the simple way out and pretend this never happened.

Again does obama condemning mean this man cant make this video again?
Where is this mans free speech violated?

they forget that there's also freedom to treat vile people like the scum they are.

Actually we don't. You, however, seem to forget that Obama is president, which actually places constraints on how he reacts to things.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

A nation's leader appearing before an international body doesn't have free speech. He is doing the nation's business, as a representative of that nation's people. If he has a personal opinion in disagreement with the people who elected him, voicing that disagreement before others is not the place to do it. obama isn't on his own time but OUR time. obama is a lawyer. He should know that when he appears before a tribunal his right to say "In my opinion my client is guilty" doesn't exist. If that's the way he feels, he should be fired, immediately, and someone hired who understands the obligations of the job.

obama's oath of office is not to defend or condemn this film. His oath is to protect and defend the Constitution that underlies the absolute right of the filmmaker to say whatever he likes. Even if, personally and privately, obama would like to pass his own law making criminal any provision in the Constitution.

obama is going to use his address before the general assembly as a campaign speech. He will yet again apologize for this crass and uncouth country and its ignorant and equally crass and uncouth people.

The filmmaker doesn't have an absolute right. There are no absolute rights in the Constitution.

None? Does that mean you support reasonable limits on abortion, like a three day waiting period, special licenses for providers, and background checks? Or does it actually mean that I once again proved that you really shouldn't post on message boards because you aren't smart enough not to trap yourself in stupidity?

 

[Political Junky]

What do you expect from *BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA*? His name ain't Larry Johnson or something like that is it? No. It's a MUSLIM name...

It's a fucking Arabic name, not a Muslim name. It existed before Islam ever did.

Despite rumors to the contrary, U.S. President Barack Obama is not a practing Muslim. However, President Obama does have an unusual name which reflects his African Muslim heritage.
Barack Obama - Meaning of Barack Obama Name

John Sunnuu has an Arabian name and was born in Cuba.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Two years ago this month, General Petraeus condemned the Koran burning threat on the grounds that it was a danger to US troops.

Was he wrong to do that? Was that a condemnation of free speech? Was that a violation of any oath he might have been working under?????

Petraeus: Burning Qurans Could Endanger Troops - CBS News

Was he wrong? Yes.

 

[idb]

I have still failed to find any report that says that Obama is going to condemn the "film" maker.
Or even where he's going to apologise.

Can someone please help?
I'm feeling left out of the conversation.

idb, I found one this morning or yesterday when I heard of this, because I couldn't believe it. He released a copy of his upcoming UN speech to reporters already. I can't remember which one of them published it yesterday. I'll try and find it, but no guarantees.

Could this be it?

National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor previews the president's speech to the UN General Assembly next week:

"UNGA always provides an opportunity for the President to put the international situation in context, and to put forward a vision of US leadership. I would certainly expect the President to address the recent unrest in the Muslim world, and the broader context of the democratic transitions in the Arab World."

More after the jump:

"As he has in recent days, the President will make it clear that we reject the views in this video, while also underscoring that violence is never acceptable – a message that has been echoed by the leaders he has personally reached out to in places like Libya, Egypt and Yemen. He will also send a clear message that the United States will never retreat from the world; will bring justice to those who harm Americans; and will stand strongly for our democratic values abroad.

Obama to address Muslim unrest | POLITICO 44 - POLITICO.com

 

[Quantum Windbag]

So...you are saying he should embrace the film?

Well...perhaps he should go on there and embrace the KKK, Nazism, the Westboro Baptist Church(there's an ambassador of Christ, right amazed?), pornography, snuff films, and a host of other shit that people have the RIGHT to do(except, of course....the snuff films).

Condemning the film takes no one's rights away. It's a message of disapproval....nothing more.

Let me ask you this....when in the last 237 years....which is a bullshit number, BTW because the UN has only been in existence for 67 years....since 1945.....but when in the last 67 years has a citizen of the US created such unrest that this shit is necessary to try to calm things down?

Of course, it seems that you guys don't want to calm things down. You want a holy war and any stupid, fucked up reason is good enough. Haven't you seen enough bloodshed? Haven't you seen enough pain? Haven't you seen enough wasted time, money and lives?

No, I am saying what I have said multiple times, the government should not have a position on the content of speech. Period.

Tell me something, if Romney gets elected and goes to the UN to condemn The Book of Mormon, would that be acceptable in your world? In mine, it would be just as wrong.

Yes, it should have a position....If the content does not represent the sentiment of the country.

As far as the Romney scenario, Why would he do that? He's a Mormon....I'm not following you on that.

Really? Can you explain why The Book of Mormon is a Broadway musical if denigrating other people's religious beliefs isn't the viewpoint of our country? Is the reason your not following me because you have your head up your ass and don't know about the Broadway play?

The Book of Mormon - Broadway Tickets | Broadway | Broadway.com

 

[freedombecki]

I have still failed to find any report that says that Obama is going to condemn the "film" maker.
Or even where he's going to apologise.

Can someone please help?
I'm feeling left out of the conversation.

idb, I found one this morning or yesterday when I heard of this, because I couldn't believe it. He released a copy of his upcoming UN speech to reporters already. I can't remember which one of them published it yesterday. I'll try and find it, but no guarantees.

Could this be it?

National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor previews the president's speech to the UN General Assembly next week:

"UNGA always provides an opportunity for the President to put the international situation in context, and to put forward a vision of US leadership. I would certainly expect the President to address the recent unrest in the Muslim world, and the broader context of the democratic transitions in the Arab World."

More after the jump:

"As he has in recent days, the President will make it clear that we reject the views in this video, while also underscoring that violence is never acceptable – a message that has been echoed by the leaders he has personally reached out to in places like Libya, Egypt and Yemen. He will also send a clear message that the United States will never retreat from the world; will bring justice to those who harm Americans; and will stand strongly for our democratic values abroad.

Obama to address Muslim unrest | POLITICO 44 - POLITICO.com

It appears similar to the one I found, except the author in my link (above, added later), was in full orbit before and after it appeared.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Maybe you guys should realize that the United States Constitution holds no water away from the United States.

Maybe you should realize we are talking about the government of the United States.

Which does not live in a vacuum and is part of a global community.

What's your point? The constitution still applies to the US government.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I have still failed to find any report that says that Obama is going to condemn the "film" maker.
Or even where he's going to apologise.

Can someone please help?
I'm feeling left out of the conversation.

Try following links, you are using the internet.

 

[idb]

idb, I found one this morning or yesterday when I heard of this, because I couldn't believe it. He released a copy of his upcoming UN speech to reporters already. I can't remember which one of them published it yesterday. I'll try and find it, but no guarantees.

Could this be it?

National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor previews the president's speech to the UN General Assembly next week:

"UNGA always provides an opportunity for the President to put the international situation in context, and to put forward a vision of US leadership. I would certainly expect the President to address the recent unrest in the Muslim world, and the broader context of the democratic transitions in the Arab World."

More after the jump:

"As he has in recent days, the President will make it clear that we reject the views in this video, while also underscoring that violence is never acceptable – a message that has been echoed by the leaders he has personally reached out to in places like Libya, Egypt and Yemen. He will also send a clear message that the United States will never retreat from the world; will bring justice to those who harm Americans; and will stand strongly for our democratic values abroad.

Obama to address Muslim unrest | POLITICO 44 - POLITICO.com

It appears similar to the one I found, except the author in my link (above, added later), was in full orbit before and after it appeared.

Yep.
From what I can tell, this whole thing has been stirred up by an opinion piece by Breitbart.
I can't see reference to condemnation or apology in the original piece that he's based his piece on.