Obama will not negotiate the budget

[theDoctorisIn]

None of that matters though. Because they vote to raise one and ignore the other. It just allows them to keep spending and spending and spending.

You do understand that the budget was already passed, right? No money is spent by the government without Congress already passing a bill.

The "credit card" has already been swiped, the debt ceiling argument is about whether or not to pay the bill.

The current bills are done on September 30th, end of the fiscal year. The debt ceiling does not need to be raised to meet those bills. And care to link us to the supposed budget that the House and Senate passed and sent to Obama?

The next continuing resolution (through Dec.) will be passed long before the debt ceiling bill will reach the floor.

That's not what the OP is discussing.

 

[TemplarKormac]

So Doc, where are you getting your info from? It appears no budget has been passed, yet as we can evidently see, we are still spending money. Why is that?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You do understand that the budget was already passed, right? No money is spent by the government without Congress already passing a bill.

The "credit card" has already been swiped, the debt ceiling argument is about whether or not to pay the bill.

The current bills are done on September 30th, end of the fiscal year. The debt ceiling does not need to be raised to meet those bills. And care to link us to the supposed budget that the House and Senate passed and sent to Obama?

The next continuing resolution (through Dec.) will be passed long before the debt ceiling bill will reach the floor.

That's not what the OP is discussing.

You claimed that A) A budget was passed and B) that the debt ceiling had to be raised to pay for it. No budget was passed and the debt ceiling does not have to be raised to meet the current continuing resolution.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

So Doc, where are you getting your info from?

What "info" are you talking about?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The current bills are done on September 30th, end of the fiscal year. The debt ceiling does not need to be raised to meet those bills. And care to link us to the supposed budget that the House and Senate passed and sent to Obama?

The next continuing resolution (through Dec.) will be passed long before the debt ceiling bill will reach the floor.

That's not what the OP is discussing.

You claimed that A) A budget was passed and B) that the debt ceiling had to be raised to pay for it. No budget was passed and the debt ceiling does not have to be raised to meet the current continuing resolution.

A.) As I said before, I was using "budget" to mean a spending bill, not a specific yearly budget. For the purposes of my point, the distinction is irrelevant.

B.) The debt ceiling will need to be raised in October, because another continuing resolution (that will extend until Dec.) will be passed next week.

 

[TemplarKormac]

So Doc, where are you getting your info from?

What "info" are you talking about?

Where you said a budget was passed. No such thing has happened as of yet.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

So Doc, where are you getting your info from? It appears no budget has been passed, yet as we can evidently see, we are still spending money. Why is that?

Because "continuing resolutions" have been passed, which, like "budgets", are spending bills.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

So Doc, where are you getting your info from?

What "info" are you talking about?

Where you said a budget was passed. No such thing has happened as of yet.

As I pointed out to RGS, I was using the term "budget" to refer to spending bills in general. I should have been clearer.

 

[TemplarKormac]

What "info" are you talking about?

Where you said a budget was passed. No such thing has happened as of yet.

As I pointed out to RGS, I was using the term "budget" to refer to spending bills in general. I should have been clearer.

I see.

 

[francoHFW]

Well the deficit is halved now, no thanks to Pubs...

Another idiot that thinks he can lie to us. The deficit is still going up. And Obama has spent over 1 trillion a year in new deficit all his first 4 years. He did in 4 years what it took Bush 2 wars and 8 years to do.

You're fecking braindead...and 80 per cent of Obama's debt is averting W's depression and saving Pub's victims...

Obama Halves Deficit, But Debt Fears Remain - The Fiscal Times
http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...ama-Halves-Deficit-But-Debt-Fears-Remain.aspx - Cached
May 14, 2013 ... President Obama pledged in 2009 to halve the deficit by the end of his first term,
an audacious statement that Republicans highlighted during ...

Pub fear mongering idiocy...change the gd channel, brainwashed functional moron...

 

[francoHFW]

Obama Halves Deficit, But Debt Fears Remain - The Fiscal Times
www.thefiscaltimes.com/.../2013/.../Obama-Halves-Deficit-But-Debt-Fears-Remain.aspx - Cached
May 14, 2013 ... President Obama pledged in 2009 to halve the deficit by the end of his first term,
an audacious statement that Republicans highlighted during ...

 

[J.E.D]

None of that matters though. Because they vote to raise one and ignore the other. It just allows them to keep spending and spending and spending.

You do understand that the budget was already passed, right? No money is spent by the government without Congress already passing a bill.

The "credit card" has already been swiped, the debt ceiling argument is about whether or not to pay the bill.

Then answer this simple question. When do we stop using the credit card and pay the debt we've accrued?

When "we" start taking in enough money to do so and stop spending on uneccessary things like wars; losing money by allowing multibillion dollar companies to get away with paying little to no taxes; hitting the middle class in the pocket book resulting in less money being injected into the economy....

Just to name a few.

It's really a lot more complex than that.

 

[billyerock1991]

Never mind his party never passed a budget as long as they had power. Now the Nitwit In Chief is taking up his dictator's hat and telling them he wants it how he wants it. Someone needs to inform Mr Constitutional law Professor that the Founders put in checks and balances for a reason.

But since he won't negotiate it gives carte blanche to the House to craft a real budget, including defunding that piece of crap Obamacare.
Obama says he will not negotiate with Congress on debt ceiling - Yahoo Finance

good its about time he holds the republicans feet to the fire ... this time he can say he got 98% of whast he wanted

 

[Zoom-boing]

Never mind his party never passed a budget as long as they had power. Now the Nitwit In Chief is taking up his dictator's hat and telling them he wants it how he wants it. Someone needs to inform Mr Constitutional law Professor that the Founders put in checks and balances for a reason.

But since he won't negotiate it gives carte blanche to the House to craft a real budget, including defunding that piece of crap Obamacare.
Obama says he will not negotiate with Congress on debt ceiling - Yahoo Finance

good its about time he holds the republicans feet to the fire ... this time he can say he got 98% of whast he wanted

Obama's idea of compromise = getting 98% of what he wants.

 

[The Rabbi]

You are just a dumbass. Obama has a solid budget plan ready to go, but the GOP played games earmarking onto it the defunding of the affordable care act. All the GOP does is plays games and sends up horseshit bills and will not compromise in the slightest. That's why every budget bill comes down to the 11th hour.

So you ARE amazingly stupid or an accomplished LIAR. Since 2009 there has been no budget. What was past was continuing resolutions. A 5th grader would know this so I will assume that you are just thinking you can lie your way out of ignorant statements.

As for the Budget Obama proposes what he wants then Congress makes what they want. The two houses work out their differences and send the final to the President. I doubt ANY president has ever actually gotten what he proposed. But in the case of Obama even the Senate rejects his proposals.

For all intents and purposes, a "continuing resolution" is a "budget".

No, a budget is a budget. A continuing resolution is just a vote to spend money.
Neg rep for stupidity and lying.

 

[The Rabbi]

What "info" are you talking about?

Where you said a budget was passed. No such thing has happened as of yet.

As I pointed out to RGS, I was using the term "budget" to refer to spending bills in general. I should have been clearer.

Why dont you use the term "budget" to refer to any bill passed? It makes as much sense.

Had Obama's new taxes raised enough revenue there would be no need to raise the debt limit. But they didnt. Nor would they,since there is no way to tax enough revenue out of the economy to pay for all this gov't spending.
Therefore it is approrpiate to use the debt ceiling debate to focus on the out of control spending going on. And the fastest growing part of that spending is entitlements. And in the future it will be Obamacare specifically. Therefore it makes sense to focus on Obamacare, which costs twice: first in taxes to pay for the monstrosity, and second in lost opportunities as it destroys jobs that would have been created in its absence.
It is literally the worst entitlement program ever enacted.
So the GOP is right to focus on defunding it, usign their constitutional power of the purse to accomplish the goal. Obama can veto the budget all he wants but unless he has a plan to pay for the spending he is simply the Party of No.

 

[zeke]

So you ARE amazingly stupid or an accomplished LIAR. Since 2009 there has been no budget. What was past was continuing resolutions. A 5th grader would know this so I will assume that you are just thinking you can lie your way out of ignorant statements.

As for the Budget Obama proposes what he wants then Congress makes what they want. The two houses work out their differences and send the final to the President. I doubt ANY president has ever actually gotten what he proposed. But in the case of Obama even the Senate rejects his proposals.

For all intents and purposes, a "continuing resolution" is a "budget".

No, a budget is a budget. A continuing resolution is just a vote to spend money.
Neg rep for stupidity and lying.

A resolution to continue spending based on a previous budget IS, in effect a BUDGET.

And you are an idiot. Come on. gimme some of that bad ass neg rep. Asshole.

 

[BDBoop]

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/...sociated-with-me-they-feel-obliged-to-oppose/

And as ridiculous as it sounds, for many Republicans, shutting down our government or defaulting on our credit is worth it if it is done simply to oppose Obama.

The fact is they hate Obama more than they love America—that’s if they even love America. Judging them based on their policies, they love about 1-2% of Americans, if that.

So when President Obama sits on national television and says Republicans will oppose something simply because he supports it—he’s absolutely right.

And Republicans know it—they simply don’t care.

 

[The Rabbi]

For all intents and purposes, a "continuing resolution" is a "budget".

No, a budget is a budget. A continuing resolution is just a vote to spend money.
Neg rep for stupidity and lying.

A resolution to continue spending based on a previous budget IS, in effect a BUDGET.

And you are an idiot. Come on. gimme some of that bad ass neg rep. Asshole.

No, idiot. A budget is a budget. And COngress hasn't passed one since the Democrats took over. ALl they have done is spend money.
But no surprise a mental defective like you with a 9th grade education can't tell the difference.

 

[The Rabbi]

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/...sociated-with-me-they-feel-obliged-to-oppose/

And as ridiculous as it sounds, for many Republicans, shutting down our government or defaulting on our credit is worth it if it is done simply to oppose Obama.

The fact is they hate Obama more than they love America—that’s if they even love America. Judging them based on their policies, they love about 1-2% of Americans, if that.

So when President Obama sits on national television and says Republicans will oppose something simply because he supports it—he’s absolutely right.

And Republicans know it—they simply don’t care.

Forwardprogressives. Now there's a reliable source.
Notice how Republicans supported Obama on Syria but got no credit for it. Democrats opposed him there.