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ObamaCare will not be repealed or defunded. Deal with it. - The Week
On March 21, 2010, my former boss and mentor, David Frum, wrote a story that ran on FrumForum.com under the headline "Waterloo." It harshly criticized conservatives for their uncompromising opposition to the bill officially titled the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, However, surveying the legislative landscape, David observed that the GOP never had enough votes to defeat the health-care bill. While conservatives could not prevent the bill from becoming law entirely, David argued that they could have engaged with Democrats and possibly watered down many of the bill's most unconservative provisions. Instead, though, the GOP refused to participate at all because the worse the bill the unchecked Democratic Congress passed, the better Republicans would do in the 2010 midterm elections.
Realistically, what that means is that repeal is not an option, since even if the GOP did somehow manage to secure a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate in 2014 (which even the most optimistic prognosticators will tell you is not going to happen), the GOP still could not affect repeal (since the president would veto). And yet, despite this harsh reality, serious members of the GOP are still promising voters that they will repeal the law. Indeed, Mike Lee and Ted Cruz are threatening to shut down the government if the president does not defund the law.
Late last week, Charles Krauthammer finally put his foot down in the face of Cruz and Lee's continued efforts to shape GOP policy proposals as if they lived in a perfect conservative world that simply does not exist. Krauthammer did not mince words, describing the Cruz/Lee ultimatum as "nuts." While he acknowledged that he would support defunding ObamaCare if he thought it would work, he also said it's obvious that it won't work, and that he does not fancy "suicide." Indeed, while Lee and Cruz will undoubtedly claim those who don't support their cause are less than full conservatives, Krauthammer correctly observed that one's position on their proposal has little to do with principle and everything to do with "sanity."
Over the past three years, the GOP base has become so enamored with the idea of ideological purity that they have been willing to throw the realities of real world politics overboard to chase it. But real defenders of conservatism must learn to embrace the painful compromises of day-to-day governance. Otherwise, we will become a party that stands by and debates itself while living under completely unchecked legislation shaped wholly by our ideological opponents.
Alternative to Health Exchanges. Provide a better product at lower cost and we can go with it
Compared to what?
We have Health Exchanges right now under Obamacare
Provide a better product or better yet, a competition and let the consumer choose
Compared to what?
We have Health Exchanges right now under Obamacare
Provide a better product or better yet, a competition and let the consumer choose
oh for christs sake...seriously?
ObamaCare will not be repealed or defunded. Deal with it. - The Week
On March 21, 2010, my former boss and mentor, David Frum, wrote a story that ran on FrumForum.com under the headline "Waterloo." It harshly criticized conservatives for their uncompromising opposition to the bill officially titled the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, However, surveying the legislative landscape, David observed that the GOP never had enough votes to defeat the health-care bill. While conservatives could not prevent the bill from becoming law entirely, David argued that they could have engaged with Democrats and possibly watered down many of the bill's most unconservative provisions. Instead, though, the GOP refused to participate at all because the worse the bill the unchecked Democratic Congress passed, the better Republicans would do in the 2010 midterm elections.
Realistically, what that means is that repeal is not an option, since even if the GOP did somehow manage to secure a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate in 2014 (which even the most optimistic prognosticators will tell you is not going to happen), the GOP still could not affect repeal (since the president would veto). And yet, despite this harsh reality, serious members of the GOP are still promising voters that they will repeal the law. Indeed, Mike Lee and Ted Cruz are threatening to shut down the government if the president does not defund the law.
Late last week, Charles Krauthammer finally put his foot down in the face of Cruz and Lee's continued efforts to shape GOP policy proposals as if they lived in a perfect conservative world that simply does not exist. Krauthammer did not mince words, describing the Cruz/Lee ultimatum as "nuts." While he acknowledged that he would support defunding ObamaCare if he thought it would work, he also said it's obvious that it won't work, and that he does not fancy "suicide." Indeed, while Lee and Cruz will undoubtedly claim those who don't support their cause are less than full conservatives, Krauthammer correctly observed that one's position on their proposal has little to do with principle and everything to do with "sanity."
Over the past three years, the GOP base has become so enamored with the idea of ideological purity that they have been willing to throw the realities of real world politics overboard to chase it. But real defenders of conservatism must learn to embrace the painful compromises of day-to-day governance. Otherwise, we will become a party that stands by and debates itself while living under completely unchecked legislation shaped wholly by our ideological opponents.
are you being paid by greenbread, or whomever pays him, to shill for obamacare now?
dude, we have several of you already
Another asshole who thinks it's our job to clean up their fucking messes. We really need to bring back ass whippings for bratty children. These people are growing only in physical size these days. Still sniveling, childish, demanding little assholes that need a really aggressive spanking.
My fix is to add a public option to truly bring in competition to the market.
Ok, your turn. What's your fix?
Time to put up or shut up, loud mouth.
A public option to sponsor competition in the market?
Surely you're joking. Then again, you probably aren't.
What is not fixable?
26 year olds on parents policy?
Health exchanges?
Mandate?
Yes, I am advocating that those whose only option is repeal...give up, it ain't gunna happen
Compromise and fix it
Fix it requires changing it fundamentally. Fixing it means getting rid of it. Deal with it.
Offer up some solutions....lets hear
Fix it requires changing it fundamentally. Fixing it means getting rid of it. Deal with it.
Offer up some solutions....lets hear
I've gone on and on about better alternatives - often with you. So stow the bullshit, you've already 'heard'.
Workable...and can be done within Obamacare
But it does not need to be done in Obamacare... it does not and should not be mandated... it should not have federal government information gathering and oversight... it should not have any federal punishment taxation.. it should not have any federal redistribution scheme to have others pay for the healthcare of 'the needy'
All that should be done is to OPEN THE PRIVATE SECTOR UP so that people have more options, there is more competition between companies, and so that insurance is not always used as some 'pay for all' that drives up the price
Go for it
Set it up, get 50 states to agree to it and show that it provides a better service than Health Exchanges
But it does not need to be done in Obamacare... it does not and should not be mandated... it should not have federal government information gathering and oversight... it should not have any federal punishment taxation.. it should not have any federal redistribution scheme to have others pay for the healthcare of 'the needy'
All that should be done is to OPEN THE PRIVATE SECTOR UP so that people have more options, there is more competition between companies, and so that insurance is not always used as some 'pay for all' that drives up the price
Go for it
Set it up, get 50 states to agree to it and show that it provides a better service than Health Exchanges
You have to be bonkers if you think the government does great service better than the private sector.
We have Health Exchanges right now under Obamacare
Provide a better product or better yet, a competition and let the consumer choose
oh for christs sake...seriously?
Absolutely
The more choices the better.
ObamaCare will not be repealed or defunded. Deal with it. - The Week
On March 21, 2010, my former boss and mentor, David Frum, wrote a story that ran on FrumForum.com under the headline "Waterloo." It harshly criticized conservatives for their uncompromising opposition to the bill officially titled the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, However, surveying the legislative landscape, David observed that the GOP never had enough votes to defeat the health-care bill. While conservatives could not prevent the bill from becoming law entirely, David argued that they could have engaged with Democrats and possibly watered down many of the bill's most unconservative provisions. Instead, though, the GOP refused to participate at all because the worse the bill the unchecked Democratic Congress passed, the better Republicans would do in the 2010 midterm elections.
Realistically, what that means is that repeal is not an option, since even if the GOP did somehow manage to secure a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate in 2014 (which even the most optimistic prognosticators will tell you is not going to happen), the GOP still could not affect repeal (since the president would veto). And yet, despite this harsh reality, serious members of the GOP are still promising voters that they will repeal the law. Indeed, Mike Lee and Ted Cruz are threatening to shut down the government if the president does not defund the law.
Late last week, Charles Krauthammer finally put his foot down in the face of Cruz and Lee's continued efforts to shape GOP policy proposals as if they lived in a perfect conservative world that simply does not exist. Krauthammer did not mince words, describing the Cruz/Lee ultimatum as "nuts." While he acknowledged that he would support defunding ObamaCare if he thought it would work, he also said it's obvious that it won't work, and that he does not fancy "suicide." Indeed, while Lee and Cruz will undoubtedly claim those who don't support their cause are less than full conservatives, Krauthammer correctly observed that one's position on their proposal has little to do with principle and everything to do with "sanity."
Over the past three years, the GOP base has become so enamored with the idea of ideological purity that they have been willing to throw the realities of real world politics overboard to chase it. But real defenders of conservatism must learn to embrace the painful compromises of day-to-day governance. Otherwise, we will become a party that stands by and debates itself while living under completely unchecked legislation shaped wholly by our ideological opponents.
are you being paid by greenbread, or whomever pays him, to shill for obamacare now?
dude, we have several of you already
Read the papers...it is the law of the land
Whining does not change things
are you being paid by greenbread, or whomever pays him, to shill for obamacare now?
dude, we have several of you already
Read the papers...it is the law of the land
Whining does not change things
you mean whatever Obama chooses to enforce or allow to go forward of the bill , for Christs sakes roll out of bed one week will you and pick up a paper...
I haven't whined, I don't or won't need to, but you and the rest of the useful idiots certainly are working hard to tell us what a great joy it is and will be, to hard despite the evidence to the contrary if you ask me...
neither does your sycophantic drooling imitations of greenbeard.....who btw has been mis-characterizing information on a scale that if he weren't wired into this I'd say he was just ignorant, but hes not so hes basically a bare faced liar. Not that you'd even be aware or care.....
the program is already picking their crony winners and losers ( thats you, and those like you that need the subsidies btw) and you don't even realize and I bet even of informed would not care ( in the open becasue you have to tow the party line) they just picked a class of winners the other day and like a mindless sheep I bet you don't even know or care......sad actually.
Another asshole who thinks it's our job to clean up their fucking messes. We really need to bring back ass whippings for bratty children. These people are growing only in physical size these days. Still sniveling, childish, demanding little assholes that need a really aggressive spanking.
My fix is to add a public option to truly bring in competition to the market.
Ok, your turn. What's your fix?
Time to put up or shut up, loud mouth.
A public option to sponsor competition in the market?
Surely you're joking. Then again, you probably aren't.
Only to those who purchase it, hence an "option".
Let's hear the problem with that. I'll wait for your well thought out response.
Huh, dunce?
My fix is to add a public option to truly bring in competition to the market.
Ok, your turn. What's your fix?
Time to put up or shut up, loud mouth.
A public option to sponsor competition in the market?
Surely you're joking. Then again, you probably aren't.
No he isn't.
OL'RD sees nothing wrong with every taxpayer footing the bills for those who can't pay.
In fact you should be overjoyed to pay someone elses HC bills. Its your duty.
Of course I think he's a nut but thats just me.
Read the papers...it is the law of the land
Whining does not change things
you mean whatever Obama chooses to enforce or allow to go forward of the bill , for Christs sakes roll out of bed one week will you and pick up a paper...
I haven't whined, I don't or won't need to, but you and the rest of the useful idiots certainly are working hard to tell us what a great joy it is and will be, to hard despite the evidence to the contrary if you ask me...
neither does your sycophantic drooling imitations of greenbeard.....who btw has been mis-characterizing information on a scale that if he weren't wired into this I'd say he was just ignorant, but hes not so hes basically a bare faced liar. Not that you'd even be aware or care.....
the program is already picking their crony winners and losers ( thats you, and those like you that need the subsidies btw) and you don't even realize and I bet even of informed would not care ( in the open becasue you have to tow the party line) they just picked a class of winners the other day and like a mindless sheep I bet you don't even know or care......sad actually.
Its here and it is being implemented
Don't like what is being done, offer up some constructive changes.
