Obamacare lead story on CNN

[francoHFW]

Nobody is saying they want the US to be socialists. Having socialist programs in a capitalistic democracy is not the same as socialism. You are misrepresenting again.

The fact remains, any sort of freedom/individuality cannot coexist with socialism of any sort… Fact

Of course to you, socialism means communist, ignorant dupe. Socialism in the modern sense means well regulated, fair capitalism. See scandinavia, original EU, Canada, NZ and Oz. And the US after 8 years of Hillary. See sig, PP1. We're becoming a GOP oligarchy banana republic under Reaganism- defended to the death by the New BS GOP and its dupes like you...

You have no idea why the banana republic is, this federal government pays debt with more debt and that debt with printed paper.
Anyone with any common sense knows that Obama care/single player cannot be paid for, it's far too expensive. It just adds to the debt that is dominated by socialist entitlement programs.

All those other modern countries manage health care at half the price, with better outcomes and life span. Watch out, Big Heath and Pharma. lol. You're a total dupe of Big Money. Helloooo?!?

No, I just don't expect other people to pay for my shit…

So brainwashed. It's not that at all. It's stronger together, not being duped by the greedy idiot rich, and intelligence.

 

[Slade3200]

Cool story, what does that have to do with Obamacare?

I was asked how I procure my insurance, dipshit. And it provides some insight into the quality of government insurance and healthcare.

I've lived in a country with a REAL government insurance program. I'm sure you've been asked to research them before. The fact is that a FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE person who wants to reduce his own health care related tax burden would be insane to oppose single payer universal health care. The only reasons one opposes that is an UNWARRANTED fear of government and a fear that someone who earns less $$ might get the same health care that they get.

Car insurance? Please.

The operative words in your post are "health care related tax burden".
You are so entitlement minded, you have no concept of what fiscal conservatism is. Not a clue.

There should be NO "health care related tax burden" to pay for the healthcare of healthy Americans!

I'm all for supporting those with catastrophic illnesses or injuries, and I'm all for supporting our elders.

Everyone else should be paying their own freight. Period. They should be picking up the phone and calling any insurance company they wish, and buying whatever health insurance coverage they wish.

Just like they do with auto, life, and home insurance.

They need to be freed from the hostage-taking entitlement heads like yourself.

Isn't that how it was before Obamacare? Were you happy with that system?

Of course I was happy with the system before Obamacare, there was no fucking mandate... lol

Good for you... many many Americans where not happy with it and the corruption and abuse in the healthcare industry was running out of control. Something had to be done. Obamacare was it. I think it achieved success on a coverage level but needs a lot of work with the financials.

 

[NYcarbineer]

That's the flaw of there not being a public option.

The liberal answer to every government fuckup. "We need MOAR government!!"

The liberal answer to every private sector fuckup. "We need MOAR government!!"

Jesus H. Christ.

I think I missed your plan for getting everyone health care. This conservative plan has some problems....which can be fixed...but it
is an improvement over what we had before it was passed.....isn't it?

I'm for Medicare for all.

What is your plan?

I'm for take care of your own shit plan... it's a shitty thing to do to take other peoples money for your own fuck ups. LOL

How did a poor kid on Medicaid fuck up?

Sins of the parents

Really? Prove it. Prove that the families, WITH JOBS, who are low income enough to be eligible for Medicaid, are there because of sin.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Obama: Under Obamacare, health care will cost less than your cell phone bill
.
.
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That is some serious bullshit lies coming from Obama there.



Do liberals teach their kids to lie as long as they can get their way by lying?

Most people using the exchanges pay less than $100 per month for premiums.

And taxpayers make up the difference. Funny how you piglets on the tit always leave that part out.

So taxpayers just got 22 percent more weight added to the ObamaCare load they are carrying.

Well done, retards!

e

Are you trying to tell us that our taxes are going up to pay for these increases? Please say that you aren't.

Where do you think subsidies come from...unicorns' asses?

The collective taking it from other people...

Should only the well off get to go to school?

 

[NYcarbineer]

My post from way back when is still relevant today: Tax the rich more!




A lot of ObamaCare recipients are going to find out they are down to just one insurer on their insurance exchange.

Government hostages.

That's the flaw of there not being a public option.

The liberal answer to every government fuckup. "We need MOAR government!!"

The liberal answer to every private sector fuckup. "We need MOAR government!!"

Jesus H. Christ.

I think I missed your plan for getting everyone health care. This conservative plan has some problems....which can be fixed...but it
is an improvement over what we had before it was passed.....isn't it?

I'm for Medicare for all.

What is your plan?

I'm for take care of your own shit plan... it's a shitty thing to do to take other peoples money for your own fuck ups. LOL

You are so removed from the real world you should have your status as a human revoked.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Nobody is saying they want the US to be socialists. Having socialist programs in a capitalistic democracy is not the same as socialism. You are misrepresenting again.

The fact remains, any sort of freedom/individuality cannot coexist with socialism of any sort… Fact

Of course to you, socialism means communist, ignorant dupe. Socialism in the modern sense means well regulated, fair capitalism. See scandinavia, original EU, Canada, NZ and Oz. And the US after 8 years of Hillary. See sig, PP1. We're becoming a GOP oligarchy banana republic under Reaganism- defended to the death by the New BS GOP and its dupes like you...

You have no idea why the banana republic is, this federal government pays debt with more debt and that debt with printed paper.
Anyone with any common sense knows that Obama care/single player cannot be paid for, it's far too expensive. It just adds to the debt that is dominated by socialist entitlement programs.

All those other modern countries manage health care at half the price, with better outcomes and life span. Watch out, Big Heath and Pharma. lol. You're a total dupe of Big Money. Helloooo?!?

No, I just don't expect other people to pay for my shit…

Guess what. You are going to be miserable in America until the day you die because what you want will never happen.

Ever. That, in a very very small way, adds to my happiness.

 

[AntonToo]

The Congress that writes the rules for TriCare is the same Congress that writes the rules for ObamaCare. There are many, many parallels.

They two have little to do with each other.

AGAIN you get government healthcare, not PRIVATE insurance plan through Obamacare exchanges, so wtf are you talking about when you say Obamacare took your doctor away?

 

[g5000]

Most people using the exchanges pay less than $100 per month for premiums.

And taxpayers make up the difference. Funny how you piglets on the tit always leave that part out.

So taxpayers just got 22 percent more weight added to the ObamaCare load they are carrying.

Well done, retards!

e

Are you trying to tell us that our taxes are going up to pay for these increases? Please say that you aren't.

Where do you think subsidies come from...unicorns' asses?

The collective taking it from other people...

Should only the well off get to go to school?

And there is the "logic" which leads to government run hospitals, boys and girls.

 

[AntonToo]

I'll tell you what else my story has to do with Obamacare.

The liberal plan won't stop with single payer health insurance..

What fucking single payer health insurance? Obamacare regulates PRIVATE healthcare insurance plans. There are MANY payers in United States.

 

[Slade3200]

2019. I warned you years ago.

2019 is when it all blows up.

And then the rubes will be crying out for single payer government healthcare.

"We need MOAR government!"

Single payer......the thing that rubes in every industrialized nation except ours have opted for. Such rubes!

Socialism has never worked long term in the history of the planet… Fact

Nobody is saying they want the US to be socialists. Having socialist programs in a capitalistic democracy is not the same as socialism. You are misrepresenting again.

The fact remains, any sort of freedom/individuality cannot coexist with socialism of any sort… Fact

Thats fine, what makes you think you are completely free? Nobody is... You are only free under the laws and regulations of the country you live in, the country that protects you from other countries that would otherwise come over here and kill you. There are costs to lived in a civilized society.

 

[AntonToo]

I was asked how I procure my insurance, dipshit. And it provides some insight into the quality of government insurance and healthcare.

Which IS NOT OBAMACARE, since Obamacare regulates PRIVATE insurance that pays PRIVATE providers.

You haven't connected in any way Obamacare to your doctor options.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Breaking Update

PASS IT ON=> Average 2017 Obamacare Premium Increases in Battleground States

This week we learned premiums would increase an average of 22% this year.

Here are the average increase in premiums in battleground states.

Ohio: 13.12% increase
Florida: 17.40% increase
Pennsylvania: 32.5% increase
Nevada: 11.74% increase
Maine: 21.24% increase
New Hampshire: 12.44% increase
Virginia: 21.68% increase
North Carolina: 24.30% increase
Iowa: 20.46% increase
Michigan: 16.06% increase
Wisconsin: 20.39% increase

 

[Slade3200]

Cool story, what does that have to do with Obamacare?

I was asked how I procure my insurance, dipshit. And it provides some insight into the quality of government insurance and healthcare.

I've lived in a country with a REAL government insurance program. I'm sure you've been asked to research them before. The fact is that a FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE person who wants to reduce his own health care related tax burden would be insane to oppose single payer universal health care. The only reasons one opposes that is an UNWARRANTED fear of government and a fear that someone who earns less $$ might get the same health care that they get.

Car insurance? Please.

The operative words in your post are "health care related tax burden".
You are so entitlement minded, you have no concept of what fiscal conservatism is. Not a clue.

There should be NO "health care related tax burden" to pay for the healthcare of healthy Americans!

I'm all for supporting those with catastrophic illnesses or injuries, and I'm all for supporting our elders.

Everyone else should be paying their own freight. Period. They should be picking up the phone and calling any insurance company they wish, and buying whatever health insurance coverage they wish.

Just like they do with auto, life, and home insurance.

They need to be freed from the hostage-taking entitlement heads like yourself.

Isn't that how it was before Obamacare?

Nope. It was NOT that way before ObamaCare. The American people have been held hostage by their employers in a take-it-or-leave-it condition for decades. They are forced into that condition by the US government meddling in the private markets.

Were you happy with that system?

I was not happy with the status quo. Hell no. That's exactly why I am equally angry at the Republicans for doing NOTHING about it.

I agree with you about the employer programs, and i'm not happy with the current ACA, It needs serious reform. I don't think healthcare should be completely private as they have proven to be reckless in the tremendous power they hold over the health and care for our citizens. It is on of the richest industries in the world. They are able to do this because of the great capitalistic society we have created. I do not think it unreasonable for there to be regulations and standards for these companies to follow that will benefit our citizens... esp for the less fortunate.

 

[g5000]

I was asked how I procure my insurance, dipshit. And it provides some insight into the quality of government insurance and healthcare.

I've lived in a country with a REAL government insurance program. I'm sure you've been asked to research them before. The fact is that a FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE person who wants to reduce his own health care related tax burden would be insane to oppose single payer universal health care. The only reasons one opposes that is an UNWARRANTED fear of government and a fear that someone who earns less $$ might get the same health care that they get.

Car insurance? Please.

The operative words in your post are "health care related tax burden".
You are so entitlement minded, you have no concept of what fiscal conservatism is. Not a clue.

There should be NO "health care related tax burden" to pay for the healthcare of healthy Americans!

I'm all for supporting those with catastrophic illnesses or injuries, and I'm all for supporting our elders.

Everyone else should be paying their own freight. Period. They should be picking up the phone and calling any insurance company they wish, and buying whatever health insurance coverage they wish.

Just like they do with auto, life, and home insurance.

They need to be freed from the hostage-taking entitlement heads like yourself.

Isn't that how it was before Obamacare?

Nope. It was NOT that way before ObamaCare. The American people have been held hostage by their employers in a take-it-or-leave-it condition for decades. They are forced into that condition by the US government meddling in the private markets.

Were you happy with that system?

I was not happy with the status quo. Hell no. That's exactly why I am equally angry at the Republicans for doing NOTHING about it.

I agree with you about the employer programs, and i'm not happy with the current ACA, It needs serious reform. I don't think healthcare should be completely private as they have proven to be reckless in the tremendous power they hold over the health and care for our citizens. It is on of the richest industries in the world. They are able to do this because of the great capitalistic society we have created. I do not think it unreasonable for there to be regulations and standards for these companies to follow that will benefit our citizens... esp for the less fortunate.

I'm all for SMART regulation, not MORE regulation.

Auto, life, and home insurance have not been skyrocketing. In fact, while cars have been getting more and more expensive, auto insurance has been going down.

So the problem isn't insurance companies. It's the vast meddling in health markets by the government which is the cause. We know this because that is the only insurance market where the government is a big player.

Not just a big player. The biggest player.

And it gets to write all the rules for its competitors. How's that working out?

It would be as if GEICO was allowed to write the rules Allstate and Progressive and State Farm and all the rest had to follow.

We need LESS government in healthcare. Not more.

Here's the thing. The more you centralize power, the easier you make it to capture. And yet the Left continues to make it easier and easier for others to capture control over every aspect of our lives. To hold us hostage. They have been doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.

 

[Slade3200]

We punish you with higher taxes for not buying a house.

We punish you with higher taxes for not buying the right kind of refrigerator.

We punish you with higher taxes for not buying the right kind of electricity.

We even punish you with higher taxes for not procreating!

It was no big leap to punish you with higher taxes for not buying the right kind of insurance.

By demanding tax expenditures for a whole host of bullshit, Republicans are just as guilty as the Democrats for creating the political environment which made the mandate possible.

You say "Punish" they say "Incentivize"

 

[Slade3200]

Here's the thing. The more you centralize power, the easier you make it to capture. And yet the Left continues to make it easier and easier for others to capture control over every aspect of our lives. To hold us hostage. They have been doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.

Sounds like insanity ;-)

 

[g5000]

Here's the thing. The more you centralize power, the easier you make it to capture. And yet the Left continues to make it easier and easier for others to capture control over every aspect of our lives. To hold us hostage. They have been doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.

Sounds like insanity ;-)

It is.

That's why I'm a conservative. I just can't be that stupid or crazy. It goes against my nature.

 

[Slade3200]

Here's the thing. The more you centralize power, the easier you make it to capture. And yet the Left continues to make it easier and easier for others to capture control over every aspect of our lives. To hold us hostage. They have been doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.

Sounds like insanity ;-)

It is.

That's why I'm a conservative. I just can't be that stupid or crazy. It goes against my nature.

I have no problem with conservatives. I am relatively young (36) and have many liberal views but I do support small government and respect conservative views. I look to smart conservatives for balance. I see myself growing more and more conservative with age as my life's priorities evolve. It is a shame that the respect for opposing points of view has devloved into petty schoolyard shouting matches. It is this attitude from both sides that makes it nearly impossible to get productive things done in government.

 

[g5000]

Here's the thing. The more you centralize power, the easier you make it to capture. And yet the Left continues to make it easier and easier for others to capture control over every aspect of our lives. To hold us hostage. They have been doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.

Sounds like insanity ;-)

It is.

That's why I'm a conservative. I just can't be that stupid or crazy. It goes against my nature.

I have no problem with conservatives. I am relatively young and have many liberal views but I respect conservative views and look to smart conservatives for balance. I see myself growing more and more conservative with age as my life's priorities evolve. It is a shame that the respect for opposing points of view has devloved into petty schoolyard shouting matches. It is this attitude from both sides that makes it nearly impossible to get productive things done in government.

I am conservative, with a lot of libertarian influence. I just have more common sense than the average Libertarian.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Here's the thing. The more you centralize power, the easier you make it to capture. And yet the Left continues to make it easier and easier for others to capture control over every aspect of our lives. To hold us hostage. They have been doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.

Sounds like insanity ;-)

It is.

That's why I'm a conservative. I just can't be that stupid or crazy. It goes against my nature.

You think we should treat health insurance like car insurance. That is stupid and crazy. It must be in your nature.

You have an unreasonable fear of government for someone who lives in a successful representative democracy. Until you overcome that, your judgment will be clouded.

Medicare is one of the greatest programs ever conceived and has made life better for millions upon millions of Americans. Making it the law of the land for all citizens would end employer responsibility for health insurance and reduce costs...lowering your tax bill.

On this issue..as well as your crazy idea about raising the retirement age...you are off base. No need for you to get all pissy about it.