Obamacare now hated by the unions. Scathing letter

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Does ANYONE besides the lemmings on USMB actually like this law?

Labor Unions: Obamacare Will 'Shatter' Our Health Benefits, Cause 'Nightmare Scenarios' - Forbes

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Snip:

Last Thursday, representatives of three of the nation’s largest unions fired off a letter to Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, warning that Obamacare would “shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.”The*letter*was penned by James P. Hoffa, general president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters


This sounds like what the RIGHT has been saying for YEARS now....

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I can only assume that you lefties will now also label the union leaders as racist rightwingers, right? That has been the common response to us after all.

 

[Claudette]

Wonder how long it took em to figure out that the ACA is going to be anything but affordable and that includes the hours one can work?

I also wonder how long it will take Barry and his pack of ninnies to try and get a permenant waiver for the Unions?

I also wonder how the rest of business who will all be stuck with the ACA are gonna take that shit??

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Wonder how long it took em to figure out that the ACA is going to be anything but affordable and that includes the hours one can work?

I also wonder how long it will take Barry and his pack of ninnies to try and get a permenant waiver for the Unions?

I also wonder how the rest of business who will all be stuck with the ACA are gonna take that shit??

I smell lawsuits in the works if the unions get another waiver.

 

[Ava]

Does ANYONE besides the lemmings on USMB actually like this law?

Labor Unions: Obamacare Will 'Shatter' Our Health Benefits, Cause 'Nightmare Scenarios' - Forbes

If they do like it, they will fast change their minds if it is ever fully implemented.

From your link:


Labor unions are among the key institutions responsible for the passage of Obamacare. They spent tons of money electing Democrats to Congress in 2006 and 2008, and fought hard to push the health law through the legislature in 2009 and 2010. But now, unions are waking up to the fact that Obamacare is heavily disruptive to the health benefits of their members.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Where are the libs to opine on this issue?

 

[FA_Q2]

Interesting that now unions are turning on the law.

I think that there is a clash with the law of Obamacare and the Law of Unintended Consequences.

 

[healthmyths]

Does ANYONE besides the lemmings on USMB actually like this law?

Labor Unions: Obamacare Will 'Shatter' Our Health Benefits, Cause 'Nightmare Scenarios' - Forbes

I've submitted this umpteen times but even conservatives don't seem to understand the FRAUD that was used to pass Obamacare!

There never were 46 million uninsured people that wanted health insurance and weren't able to get it! NEVER!

There were 18 million people who are under 34 make over $50,000 a year and didn't want nor need employers health insurance!


But the idiots of Obamacare not caring about the reality used these people as part of the 46 million!

Then there are 14 million people who said they wanted insurance COULD GET IT! Simply registering with Medicaid they are already eligible.
Then per the Census 10 million of "uninsured" are NOT CITIZENS!!
That is 42 million people that don't want, don't need and aren't eligible!
Leaving 4 million that truly need health insurance!

If Congress had just understood that the total cost per year to provide a $5,000 a year premium for these 4 million is $20 billion a year!

Obamacare TAXED 17 different ways including tanning salons - 10% of revenue... BUT never considered taxing lawyers!
90% of Doctors surveyed say they submit $850 billion a year in WASTED DUPLICATE claims .. ALL out of FEAR of being 2nd guessed.. sued!
So take the $200 billion lawyers make off of lawsuits etc. tax 10% and voilà $20 billion for the premiums!

THEN AUDIT hospitals that sometimes mark up claims sent to Medicare 6,000% to cover the uninsured expenses!
Hospitals would send the claims for the uninsured based on the insurance THEY would be audited to make sure they aren't "padding and passing"!

Easily $200 billion a year in health care claim costs reductions!

 

[Troubled_CA]

AFL-CIO

"The worst thing we could do is move backward by repealing the Affordable Care Act or its key provisions; privatizing Medicare or turning it into a voucher program; raising the Medicare eligibility age; increasing Medicare co-pays and deductibles or otherwise cutting Medicare benefits; or taxing employment-based health care benefits. "

Health Care

Deluded cons.
do you wish upon a falling star too?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

AFL-CIO

"The worst thing we could do is move backward by repealing the Affordable Care Act or its key provisions; privatizing Medicare or turning it into a voucher program; raising the Medicare eligibility age; increasing Medicare co-pays and deductibles or otherwise cutting Medicare benefits; or taxing employment-based health care benefits. "

Health Care

Deluded cons.
do you wish upon a falling star too?

Are you seriously this stupid?

 

[Troubled_CA]

"America must continue moving forward toward a more equitable and cost-effective health care system.
Moving forward means working with employers to demand health care payment and delivery reforms to control costs,
allowing people of all ages to buy into the equivalent of Medicare through a public plan option and allowing Medicare to negotiate lower drug prices.
Of course, the most cost-effective and equitable way to provide quality health care is through the social insurance model (“Medicare for All”), as other industrialized countries have shown. "
AFL-CIO

AND lets remember, the turnout for DEMS was LOWER in 2010 than 2008

AND you lost seats in BOTH houses!

in 2014 WE are gonna eliminate the Wacky members of congress and FIX this.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

You are a true to form nutterbar. Good luck with all that hot air you're blowing.

Meanwhile, Union leaders are lashing out against the OPbama Tax that they campaigned for and spent gobs of money on.

The letter was penned by James P. Hoffa, general president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters; Joseph Hansen, international president of the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union; and Donald “D.” Taylor, president of UNITE-HERE, a union representing hotel, airport, food service, gaming, and textile workers.

“When you and the President sought our support for the Affordable Care Act,” they begin, “you pledged that if we liked the health plans we have now, we could keep them. Sadly, that promise is under threat…We have been strong supporters of the notion that all Americans should have access to quality, affordable health care. We have also been strong supporters of you. In campaign after campaign we have put boots on the ground, gone door-to-door to get out the vote, run phone banks and raised money to secure this vision. Now this vision has come back to haunt us.”

“The unintended consequences of the ACA are severe,” they continue. “Perverse incentives are causing nightmare scenarios. First, the law creates an incentive for employers to keep employees’ work hours below 30 hours a week. Numerous employers have begun to cut workers’ hours to avoid this obligation, and many of them are doing so openly. The impact is two-fold: fewer hours means less pay while also losing our current health benefits.”

Nutterbars gone crazy!

 

[healthmyths]

God... you people are so f...king stupid!
MASSIVE MASSIVE gigantic bust because it wasn't NECESSARY!!!

Why are you Obamacare defenders so dumb when it comes to arithmetic?
Can't you subtract 18 million and 14 million and 10 million to see there were NEVER 46 million which was used to pass Obamacare?
Less then 4 million people truly want and NEED health insurance!
Is this too complicated for Obamacare supporters to recognize???

 

[healthmyths]

Purdue University in Indiana faces a $2.8 million Obamacare bill due to Obamacare, a local affiliate reports:

"We are making some pretty radical changes because of 'health care reform,'" says Purdue's Eva Nodine. "So we wanted to make sure we had enough time to educate our employees because education is key."

The reporter adds, "$2.8 million dollars in added fees and claims are included in the recommendations for next year. Now that's due to the 'Affordable Care Act.' The medical plans and premiums will go before the full board for approval on Friday."

University Faces $2.8 Million Obamacare Bill | The Weekly Standard

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Who needs any of that when you have old website mission statements from the AFL-CIO?

 

[Sallow]

Where are the libs to opine on this issue?

Opine on what?

Your claim is specious.

Even moreso given how much you hate Unions. And seeing this in Forbes is beyond laughable.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

You are a true to form nutterbar. Good luck with all that hot air you're blowing.

Meanwhile, Union leaders are lashing out against the OPbama Tax that they campaigned for and spent gobs of money on.

The letter was penned by James P. Hoffa, general president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters; Joseph Hansen, international president of the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union; and Donald “D.” Taylor, president of UNITE-HERE, a union representing hotel, airport, food service, gaming, and textile workers.

“When you and the President sought our support for the Affordable Care Act,” they begin, “you pledged that if we liked the health plans we have now, we could keep them. Sadly, that promise is under threat…We have been strong supporters of the notion that all Americans should have access to quality, affordable health care. We have also been strong supporters of you. In campaign after campaign we have put boots on the ground, gone door-to-door to get out the vote, run phone banks and raised money to secure this vision. Now this vision has come back to haunt us.”

“The unintended consequences of the ACA are severe,” they continue. “Perverse incentives are causing nightmare scenarios. First, the law creates an incentive for employers to keep employees’ work hours below 30 hours a week. Numerous employers have begun to cut workers’ hours to avoid this obligation, and many of them are doing so openly. The impact is two-fold: fewer hours means less pay while also losing our current health benefits.”

Nutterbars gone crazy!

We've been saying for months and months now that this bill would be devastating to full time employment opportunities. And now the Unions, the biggest backers of this monstrosity, agree.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Where are the libs to opine on this issue?

Opine on what?

Your claim is specious.

Even moreso given how much you hate Unions. And seeing this in Forbes is beyond laughable.

Despite my post and Forbes story the facts are indisputable. The letter iS REAL.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Where are the libs to opine on this issue?

Opine on what?

Your claim is specious.

Even moreso given how much you hate Unions. And seeing this in Forbes is beyond laughable.

Dear Leader Reid and Leader Pelosi:

When you and the President sought our support for the Affordable Care Act (ACA), you pledged that if we liked the health plans we have now, we could keep them. Sadly, that promise is under threat. Right now, unless you and the Obama Administration enact an equitable fix, the ACA will shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class.

Like millions of other Americans, our members are front-line workers in the American economy. We have been strong supporters of the notion that all Americans should have access to quality, affordable health care. We have also been strong supporters of you. In campaign after campaign we have put boots on the ground, gone door-to-door to get out the vote, run phone banks and raised money to secure this vision.

Now this vision has come back to haunt us.

Since the ACA was enacted, we have been bringing our deep concerns to the Administration, seeking reasonable regulatory interpretations to the statute that would help prevent the destruction of non-profit health plans. As you both know first-hand, our persuasive arguments have been disregarded and met with a stone wall by the White House and the pertinent agencies. This is especially stinging because other stakeholders have repeatedly received successful interpretations for their respective grievances. Most disconcerting of course is last week’s huge accommodation for the employer community—extending the statutorily mandated “December 31, 2013” deadline for the employer mandate and penalties.

Time is running out: Congress wrote this law; we voted for you. We have a problem; you need to fix it. The unintended consequences of the ACA are severe. Perverse incentives are already creating nightmare scenarios:

First, the law creates an incentive for employers to keep employees’ work hours below 30 hours a week. Numerous employers have begun to cut workers’ hours to avoid this obligation, and many of them are doing so openly. The impact is two-fold: fewer hours means less pay while also losing our current health benefits.


Second, millions of Americans are covered by non-profit health insurance plans like the ones in which most of our members participate. These non-profit plans are governed jointly by unions and companies under the Taft-Hartley Act. Our health plans have been built over decades by working men and women. Under the ACA as interpreted by the Administration, our employees will treated differently and not be eligible for subsidies afforded other citizens. As such, many employees will be relegated to second-class status and shut out of the help the law offers to for-profit insurance plans.

And finally, even though non-profit plans like ours won’t receive the same subsidies as for-profit plans, they’ll be taxed to pay for those subsidies. Taken together, these restrictions will make non-profit plans like ours unsustainable, and will undermine the health-care market of viable alternatives to the big health insurance companies.

On behalf of the millions of working men and women we represent and the families they support, we can no longer stand silent in the face of elements of the Affordable Care Act that will destroy the very health and wellbeing of our members along with millions of other hardworking Americans.

We believe that there are common-sense corrections that can be made within the existing statute that will allow our members to continue to keep their current health plans and benefits just as you and the President pledged. Unless changes are made, however, that promise is hollow.

We continue to stand behind real health care reform, but the law as it stands will hurt millions of Americans including the members of our respective unions.

We are looking to you to make sure these changes are made.

James P. Hoffa
General President
International Brotherhood of Teamsters

Joseph Hansen
International President
UFCW

D. Taylor
President
UNITE-HERE

Union Letter: Obamacare Will ?Destroy The Very Health and Wellbeing? of Workers - Corporate Intelligence - WSJ