Occupy Wall Street: The Movement Grows

[Luissa]

Everyone else save commie wastoids has figured out that money equals free speech and freedom of association. But that must come from an intrinsic and normal understanding of property rights.

You have a warped sense of freedom is...

The fact he and few others see these protesters as commies proves he has a warped point of view period.

 

[Big Fitz]

Everyone else save commie wastoids has figured out that money equals free speech and freedom of association. But that must come from an intrinsic and normal understanding of property rights.

You have a warped sense of freedom is...

At least it's the same as our founding fathers, not Big Brothers, Mr. Orwell.

 

[Luissa]

Everyone else save commie wastoids has figured out that money equals free speech and freedom of association. But that must come from an intrinsic and normal understanding of property rights.

You have a warped sense of freedom is...

At least it's the same as our founding fathers, not Big Brothers, Mr. Orwell.

 

[Big Fitz]

Everyone else save commie wastoids has figured out that money equals free speech and freedom of association. But that must come from an intrinsic and normal understanding of property rights.

You have a warped sense of freedom is...

The fact he and few others see these protesters as commies proves he has a warped point of view period.

Riiiiight. Care to look at their list of demand, an statements of "Capitalism doesn't work" again?

I go back to my question.

What is your goal for CHANGE?
How do you propose to meet your hoped goal!

 

[HenryBHough]

Good on those "students" cutting classes!

Of course they should not be excused; just required to take all the standard tests at the end of the semester. Alone in a room with no external communication; stripped naked and examined closely for crib notes.

Then, should they fail, they can come up with the money to repeat the course.

But, of course, their liberal mommies and daddies will rush to their rescue.

No matter where the money comes from - it's money that won't be going to Our Kenyan President's bid to succeed himself. Provided, of course, Democraps are stupid enough to re-nominate him.

 

[EriktheRed]

This is the country with the most millionaires and billionaires..

We don't have a shortage.

Just sayin'.

We aren't short of lowlife, commie scum either; fortunately, that can be rectified....

Hmmmmm......

 

[Dr Grump]

You have a warped sense of freedom is...

The fact he and few others see these protesters as commies proves he has a warped point of view period.

Riiiiight. Care to look at their list of demand, an statements of "Capitalism doesn't work" again?

I go back to my question.

What is your goal for CHANGE?
How do you propose to meet your hoped goal!

Pure capitalism doesn't work. The Great Depression and 2008 and this year has proven it...

 

[Luissa]

You have a warped sense of freedom is...

The fact he and few others see these protesters as commies proves he has a warped point of view period.

Riiiiight. Care to look at their list of demand, an statements of "Capitalism doesn't work" again?

I go back to my question.

What is your goal for CHANGE?
How do you propose to meet your hoped goal!

When they want to turn all private business, private property, and all the banks over to the government let me know.

 

[Oldstyle]

And would you admit that the majority of the activists that have been protesting in NYC fit that "too extreme" definition?

No, absolutely not. The positions of most of the protesters are moderate center-left. This is NOT a far-left movement at all, although a few of the participants probably warrant that label.

You know what I "love" about you guys, Dragon? You all espouse far left views but none of you will ever admit that you ARE on the far left...no, you all describe yourselves as "moderate center-left". Why are you so afraid to admit what you are? Admit it, Dragon...you're no more moderate center-left than the Occupy Wall Street activists are the 99%. When you say this isn't a far-left movement you're being as disingenuous as the people that are making the 99% claim.

 

[Luissa]

So do you agree with the way the police have been treating the protesters? They make it clear they want to stay non violent.

 

[Dr Grump]

And would you admit that the majority of the activists that have been protesting in NYC fit that "too extreme" definition?

No, absolutely not. The positions of most of the protesters are moderate center-left. This is NOT a far-left movement at all, although a few of the participants probably warrant that label.

You know what I "love" about you guys, Dragon? You all espouse far left views but none of you will ever admit that you ARE on the far left...no, you all describe yourselves as "moderate center-left". Why are you so afraid to admit what you are? Admit it, Dragon...you're no more moderate center-left than the Occupy Wall Street activists are the 99%. When you say this isn't a far-left movement you're being as disingenuous as the people that are making the 99% claim.

That is because only in right-wing, neocon, whackjob land are they extreme left views. To lefties and middle of the road US citizens, and the rest of the western world, they are centrists - maybe slightly leaning to the left - ideals.

Oh my, how dare people ask that Wall St be brought into line and be accountable.

 

[mudwhistle]

These people are misguided, foolish, stupid, ignorant, etc.

They hate capitalism but they whine about no jobs, too many bills, not enough money, etc.

I think they're idiots, not communists.

The people that organized this BS are the same communists, progressive, twisted assholes that helped ruin Europe.

 

[Dr Grump]

These people are misguided, foolish, stupid, ignorant, etc.

They hate capitalism but they whine about no jobs, too many bills, not enough money, etc.

I think they're idiots, not communists.

The people that organized this BS are the same communists, progressive, twisted assholes that helped ruin Europe.

Speaking of idiots....

 

[mudwhistle]

No, absolutely not. The positions of most of the protesters are moderate center-left. This is NOT a far-left movement at all, although a few of the participants probably warrant that label.

You know what I "love" about you guys, Dragon? You all espouse far left views but none of you will ever admit that you ARE on the far left...no, you all describe yourselves as "moderate center-left". Why are you so afraid to admit what you are? Admit it, Dragon...you're no more moderate center-left than the Occupy Wall Street activists are the 99%. When you say this isn't a far-left movement you're being as disingenuous as the people that are making the 99% claim.

That is because only in right-wing, neocon, whackjob land are they extreme left views. To lefties and middle of the road US citizens, and the rest of the western world, they are centrists - maybe slightly leaning to the left - ideals.

Oh my, how dare people ask that Wall St be brought into line and be accountable.

I've got news for you. I'm not falling for this Marxist crapola.

These people are parking their asses in the wrong place.

They need to park their asses in front of the White House...because that is were it started.

 

[Luissa]

The fact you think he has far left views is hilarious.

And would you admit that the majority of the activists that have been protesting in NYC fit that "too extreme" definition?

No, absolutely not. The positions of most of the protesters are moderate center-left. This is NOT a far-left movement at all, although a few of the participants probably warrant that label.

You know what I "love" about you guys, Dragon? You all espouse far left views but none of you will ever admit that you ARE on the far left...no, you all describe yourselves as "moderate center-left". Why are you so afraid to admit what you are? Admit it, Dragon...you're no more moderate center-left than the Occupy Wall Street activists are the 99%. When you say this isn't a far-left movement you're being as disingenuous as the people that are making the 99% claim.

 

[Luissa]

And you should start by learning what marxism is.

You know what I "love" about you guys, Dragon? You all espouse far left views but none of you will ever admit that you ARE on the far left...no, you all describe yourselves as "moderate center-left". Why are you so afraid to admit what you are? Admit it, Dragon...you're no more moderate center-left than the Occupy Wall Street activists are the 99%. When you say this isn't a far-left movement you're being as disingenuous as the people that are making the 99% claim.

That is because only in right-wing, neocon, whackjob land are they extreme left views. To lefties and middle of the road US citizens, and the rest of the western world, they are centrists - maybe slightly leaning to the left - ideals.

Oh my, how dare people ask that Wall St be brought into line and be accountable.

I've got news for you. I'm not falling for this Marxist crapola.

These people are parking their asses in the wrong place.

They need to park their asses in front of the White House...because that is were it started.

 

[Dr Grump]

You know what I "love" about you guys, Dragon? You all espouse far left views but none of you will ever admit that you ARE on the far left...no, you all describe yourselves as "moderate center-left". Why are you so afraid to admit what you are? Admit it, Dragon...you're no more moderate center-left than the Occupy Wall Street activists are the 99%. When you say this isn't a far-left movement you're being as disingenuous as the people that are making the 99% claim.

That is because only in right-wing, neocon, whackjob land are they extreme left views. To lefties and middle of the road US citizens, and the rest of the western world, they are centrists - maybe slightly leaning to the left - ideals.

Oh my, how dare people ask that Wall St be brought into line and be accountable.

I've got news for you. I'm not falling for this Marxist crapola.

These people are parking their asses in the wrong place.

They need to park their asses in front of the White House...because that is were it started.

Total crap. It came about due to unfettered greed, which was brought about by not enough regulation and weak politicians too scared to upset the apple cart (and the political donations these carts impart to political parties)

If you are going to park yourself in front of the WH to protest, the protests would be that the govt didn't do enough....

 

[Big Fitz]

The fact he and few others see these protesters as commies proves he has a warped point of view period.

Riiiiight. Care to look at their list of demand, an statements of "Capitalism doesn't work" again?

I go back to my question.

What is your goal for CHANGE?
How do you propose to meet your hoped goal!

Pure capitalism doesn't work. The Great Depression and 2008 and this year has proven it...

I didn't say anything about "pure" capitalism. That was proven to be an issue during the Gilded Age and lead to many positive reforms that should have stopped in the 1960's.

The Great Depression prove that government spending cannot get a nation's economy started again. The Great Resession we are currently in STILL but are lying to ourselves we're out of, is reconfirming that same historical fact.

To claim otherwise is delusional.

 

[Big Fitz]

The fact he and few others see these protesters as commies proves he has a warped point of view period.

Riiiiight. Care to look at their list of demand, an statements of "Capitalism doesn't work" again?

I go back to my question.

What is your goal for CHANGE?
How do you propose to meet your hoped goal!

When they want to turn all private business, private property, and all the banks over to the government let me know.

Ahhh... so only when they claim the obvious final goal will you say it's communism, but ignore the baby steps that get them there. I getcha.

About as cogent as this jackass.

Very Alinsky. This isn't a game of "Red Light Green Light".

 

[mudwhistle]

And you should start by learning what marxism is.

That is because only in right-wing, neocon, whackjob land are they extreme left views. To lefties and middle of the road US citizens, and the rest of the western world, they are centrists - maybe slightly leaning to the left - ideals.

Oh my, how dare people ask that Wall St be brought into line and be accountable.

I've got news for you. I'm not falling for this Marxist crapola.

These people are parking their asses in the wrong place.

They need to park their asses in front of the White House...because that is were it started.

And you should start by not being a snooty stuck up asswipe.

I know what Marxism is. I've been getting a dose of it for about 3 years now.

Marxism has a stigma surrounding it and it is well deserved....but it still doesn't change the fact that the prick in the White House practices it.....maybe not in it's purest form.....but he still does.

The Marxian analysis begins with an analysis of material conditions, taking at its starting point the necessary economic activities required by human society to provide for its material needs. The form of economic organization, or mode of production, is understood to be the basis from which the majority of other social phenomena — including social relations, political and legal systems, morality and ideology — arise (or at the least by which they are greatly influenced). These social relations form the superstructure, of which the economic system forms the base. As the forces of production, most notably technology, improve, existing forms of social organization become inefficient and stifle further progress.

These inefficiencies manifest themselves as social contradictions in society in the form of class struggle. Under the capitalist mode of production, this struggle materializes between the minority who own the means of production; the bourgeoisie, and the vast majority of the population who produce goods and services; the proletariat. Taking the idea that social change occurs because of the struggle between different classes within society who are under contradiction against each other, the Marxist analysis leads to the conclusion that capitalism oppresses the proletariat, the inevitable result being a proletarian revolution.

Marxism views the socialist system as being prepared by the historical development of capitalism. According to Marxism, Socialism is a historical necessity (but not however, an inevitability [1]). In a socialist society private property in the means of production would be superseded by co-operative ownership. The socialist system would succeed capitalism as humanity's mode of production through worker's revolution. Capitalism according to Marxist theory can no longer sustain the living standards of the population due to its need to compensate for falling rates of profit by driving down wages, cutting social benefits and pursuing military aggression. A socialist economy would not base production on the accumulation of capital, but would instead base production and economic activity on the criteria of satisfying human needs - that is, production would be carried out directly for use.

Eventually, socialism would give way to a communist stage of history: a classless, stateless system based on common ownership and free-access, superabundance and maximum freedom for individuals to develop their own capacities and talents. As a political movement, Marxism advocates for the creation of such a society.