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"Their own policy" is the policy of the United States as it had been for the past several years, supporting Ukraine's efforts to clean out the corrupt oligarchs subverting attempts at a fair and democratic government. It was also the policy of the United States to support Ukraine militarily in its fight against Russian aggression.It is behavior that cannot be defended. To allow this type of bastardization of our foreign policy, to allow the executive to attack the loyal opposition in this manner, is an attack on the Republic.
Damn, there's not suppose to be opposition within the administration, loyal or otherwise. These fuckers are hired to carry out the policy of their elected boss, not try implement their own policy.
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If the "boss" didn't like this policy, for whatever reason, he had every right to stand up and tell the State Department why and what he wanted done instead. But Trump didn't do that, did he? He got his private attorney and a bunch of thug friends to do it "under the table" and for the most part the current officials around the President closed their eyes to it and let it happen. I'm grateful to the whistleblower and to the people who have testified to what happened. Not because I couldn't cope with not having "my guy" elected, but because Trump is a crook.
Imagine, had Trump had the 'whistleblower' arrested as a spy.....
Obama did just that.
The Obama administration had 8 whistleblowers. President Obama handled each one the same way - he had the FBI bust into their home, arrest them, and he then prosecuted them for espionage. Of course the biased media kept quiet and looked the other way. Their were a few exceptions. Here's one news report on it:
War on whistleblowers?
Bet you didn't know that.
What did they blow the whistle on? I watched the video and it never said.
The whistleblower claimed Donald Trump solicited a foreign country to help intervene in the 2020 election and that the White House sought to cover it up.
Dumbass Trumper. Enough said.The Washington Post. Enough said.
LOLOLWut? Zelensky spoke??? I guess that means Trump didn't also ask Zelensky to look into "the other thing" after asking him to look into the DNC server.Ain't no lie. It's not my problem you lack the intelligence to understand the meaning of, "the other thing..."Trump continues...
"The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it..."
You're a liar, Zelensky spoke at length between the two requests, so did Trump.
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Are you still here short bus? Trump didn't "continue" as your LIE indicated, Zelensky spoke next. Perhaps your special ed teacher can explain what "continued/continues" means.
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Are you ever not a retard??
Poor short bus, are you going to have to wait till Monday to ask your special ed teacher what "Trump Continues" means? You quoted Trump and then in your own lying words said "Trump continues", which he didn't. You got caught in your commie lie, just man up and admit it, short bus.
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Why weren’t they there then instead?Other do. His fat orange ass will be impeachedBTW, she didn’t have any idea of any crime committed by the president.
Which he’s allowed to do.Well I guess I should make the case for Blackmail. Yep that's what ol'Trumpybear did. He tried to Blackmail that president into publicly announcing that the Ukraine was opening an investingation into the Bidens corruption.
Blackmail I tells ya.
Doesn't matter what you call it. The turd still stinks.
Blackmail is when you have something damaging about a person, and threaten to release that information unless your demands are met. And when did Trump ever ask Zelensky to make anything public?
Many forms of blackmail are considered crimes under state or federal law. Most states treat blackmail as a type of extortion or coercion, which involves threats of violence or other harm in order to compel a person to do something.
Blackmail Law | Justia
What you call it doesn't change what he did or that it was done with corrupt intent.
That's our problem with this. He didn't do anything. He asked a favor, and now we have this two month impeachment thing going on instead of the Congress doing their jobs.
What I call it doesn't change what he did, and what you call it doesn't change what he did either.
Its bribery. It is extortion. The fucker wanted help in the 2020 election and he was willing to use the power
of the office and our tax dollars to get it. Fuck you for excusing it.
BS, he was trying to get to the bottom of interference in the 2016 elections and other corruption that occurred in Ukraine.
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It must be youthat link says what?Really? When did Obama approve it? When did both houses of Congress approve it?What Biden said was fully approved by Obama and both House and Congress. It was not to get them to spew BS so Clinton could win. Just so we know more facts here.If you call that extortion, then what Biden did was worse, since what he did is what the commies are accusing Trump of doing.
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it was a joint effort between the US & other nations. biden, along with other american officials were our point men & did not go rogue on this.
What really happened when Biden forced out Ukraine's top prosecutor
are you illiterate?
The excuses and so call defense republicans and trump have for his crimes with Ukraine keep falling apart and being replaced by new lies.
Analysis: Trump’s core impeachment defense suffers a double blow — including a self-inflicted one
As much as I believe Trump is not doing himself any favors with his ranting on twatter the reality is Trump will not be convicted and remove...
Have you seen todays news?Why weren’t they there then instead?Other do. His fat orange ass will be impeachedBTW, she didn’t have any idea of any crime committed by the president.
And yet, despite your hollow post, he's still ahead of the rest....Dumbfuck, Biden could still be in the hunt for the 2020 presidential election even if he loses the Democratic nomination.1) congress approved military aid to Ukraine. "power of the purse" belongs to congress. The president can suspend this aid for purpose to benefit the country, but not for personal gain.WON'T IT BE FUNNY NOW after Hillary, Biden and the Democrat's using help from both Ukraine and Russia trying to smear Trump failed in 2016, that Trump is removed from office for trying to expose what went on only to have Biden then go on to become the new president anyway?!
- Since when do we owe Ukraine anything especially for nothing in return?
- Every foreign deal comes with elements of benefit to both sides. Except this one?
- How is trying to investigate a crime committed years ago by a top US official, especially one involving trying to tamper with an election, "getting caught with your hand in a jar?"
- What was the political gain for Trump in any of this? Biden's not even his opponent in next year's election! Just a very unlikely one.
Our conversion to Full Banana Republic will have been complete.
2) Suspending aid causes deaths. If a foreign government acts to benefit a political party and the expense of another, it hurts foreign relations.
3) Biden was already investigated prior to the July 25th phone call. Tampering with election? Mueller investigated this.
4) Biden is at the top of many polls for the 2020 presidential race.
1). What did Trump personally gain? Spell it out. Did he get a whistle in his Fruit Loops?
2). Suspending social security causes deaths. Limited food stamps causes deaths. Healthcare to a cost causes deaths. All of the bills sitting in congress languishing while they fuck around yet again with this dog and pony show is causing deaths!
3). Yeah, right. Mueller investigated Biden. That was part of the russian investigation into Trump? You're a fucking idiot.
4). Biden stands about as much chance being the DNC nominee as my grandmother sprouting wheels and being a go cart. But I hope he does end up your candidate. You deserve him. Obumma 2.0 - 5.
Oh short bus, his competition is growing, not shrinking. But hey, his war chest is shrinking and he's laying off staff, not indications of a viable campaign. The two time loser has a lower chance of being nominated than beta boy.
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RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination
Let me guess, it is something negative about Trump.Have you seen todays news?Why weren’t they there then instead?Other do. His fat orange ass will be impeachedBTW, she didn’t have any idea of any crime committed by the president.
I ain't no lady, I doth not protest, you're deranged, and you can't think of a single reason not to hold a trial -- which is what I said, which you say you don't agree with.You're deranged. I didn't seek plausible deniability, I asked you why they wouldn't hold a trial. I can think of several reasons why they would but none for why they wouldn't. Seems you agree with me as you can't seem to name a single reason why they wouldn't.Well I asked you why they wouldn't but you don't seem to have an answer.So you agree with me then that the Senate will hold a trial, right?
No.
I'm hoping with you. I hope you're right.
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You just want plausible deniability... but it's not possible let alone plausible.
The lady doth protest ... and yet she knows what I posted and what it means.
The first witnesses that the republicans will call.
The left do not want that.
While I want to watch the entire thing.
So you're saying it is just a coincidence that Trump withheld the military aid just days before the phone call. And it's just coincidental that Trump dropped a request that Zelensky open a corruption investigation when discussing military aid in the phone conversation. And of course, it's just a coincidence that Biden's son worked for the company to be investigated. And it was coincidental that Trump fired the Ambassador to the Ukraine, who was not on the Trump team, just weeks before the phone call. And of course Zelensky's much sought after meeting with the president was being delayed.That's something of value in exchange for favor or fealty. It is exactly an impeachable offense.
I see. So what you're saying is that any VP can conduct themselves in an illegal way, and nobody can even look into it in the next administration if they are running for President? Where is that written by the way?
I didn't come close to saying anything like that. Don't be ridiculous.
Sure you did. What you said is that because Trump withheld money for whatever reason, and it benefits him, that's an impeachable offense, even though there's absolutely no evidence that his actions did anything for his campaign, given the fact Biden is not his challenger yet in the presidential race.
Repeating it doesn't improve it. What I said was: "That's something of value in exchange for favor or fealty. It is exactly an impeachable offense."
What you've spilled on the page is some nonsense you wish I had said.
What you said is like the call transcript. It's available for all to see.
Trump holds up money to Ukraine for whatever purposes he held it up for. But because it may have also benefited him in the event he ran against Biden, that makes it an impeachable offense. Did you not say that?
And if so, that means that Trump couldn't have held up the money for any reason, even if he knew it would end up in corrupt hands, because Biden is in the race. Did you not say that???
Dumbass Trumper. Enough said.The Washington Post. Enough said.
The excuses and so call defense republicans and trump have for his crimes with Ukraine keep falling apart and being replaced by new lies.
Analysis: Trump’s core impeachment defense suffers a double blow — including a self-inflicted one
As much as I believe Trump is not doing himself any favors with his ranting on twatter the reality is Trump will not be convicted and remove...
Perhaps not. The right doesn't care how unethical he is, or if if he breaks our laws but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be called out for his unethical, unlawful behavior.
McConnell Shuts Down Early Dismissal Option for Impeachment Articles, Says Senate Will ‘Have to Have a Trial’At this point, yep, with some defections from the Ds. Right now I don't even see this crap making it to the senate. Like I said before, this is nothing but a commie campaign trick, pulling anything they can to try to effect public opinion.
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it will go to trial. being removed is a whole other animal - but he'll get a trial.
Don't bet the farm on it child. LMAO
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By Mairead McArdle
November 13, 2019 4:10 PM
Trump Impeachment -- Mitch McConnell Shuts Down Early Dismissal Option for Impeachment Articles | National Review
is devon nunes' cow on that there farm?
At this point I don't see the house even voting on articles. They don't want to commit political suicide.
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You really need to stop watching fox.
LOLOLIn fact, RCP lists six polls since the Pelosi announced the official opening of her impeachment show and the RCP link I gave you shows the average of all the major polls of President Trump's job approval ratings has been steadily climbing despite all the posturing of the Democrats in Congress. Obama is of no importance but his poll numbers at this point in his in his first term compared to President Trump's shows that voters are not being influenced the hearings.Dumbfuck, the public hearings began just 3 days ago and there have been only two pollsters out with approval ratings since then. Rasmussen, which has Trump increasing to 50%; And Reuters, which has him at 40%, same as the last time they released a poll.You wish, but the RCP average shows the President's job approval ratings have been going straight up while the Democrats have their gossip fest."The fact that President Trump's job approval ratings continue to grow while the Democrats are holding the Pelosi-Schiff production of Impeachment Theater, suggests that this nonsense will not harm President Trump in any way"The fact that President Trump's job approval ratings continue to grow while the Democrats are holding the Pelosi-Schiff production of Impeachment Theater, suggests that this nonsense will not harm President Trump in any way, but yesterday's revelation by Marie Yovanovitch that the Obama administration was just as worried about the Bidens' involvement in corruption in Ukraine as President Trump is may very well end Biden's chances for the nomination even before Deval Patrick enters the race and takes the black vote away from Biden.According to me, it will be entertaining as fuck. Best election cycle evah!
Former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch revealed at an impeachment hearing Friday that Hunter Biden’s job at a Ukrainian energy company Burisma Holding was a major issue for the Obama White House.
She acknowledged that the Obama State Department included coaching her to answer questions about former Vice President Joseph R. Biden’s son Hunter when she faced Senate confirmation hearings for the ambassador post in 2016.
“It wasn’t just generally about Burisma and corruption. It was specifically about Hunter Biden and Burisma. Is that correct?” asked Rep. Elise Stefanik, New York Republican.
Yes it is,” Ms. Yovanovitch responded.
President Trump’s request for an investigation of alleged corruption involving the Bidens and Burisma is at the heart of Democrats’ impeachment case that the president abused his office for personal political gain.
“For the millions of Americans watching, President Obama’s own State Department was so concerned about potential conflicts of interest from Hunter Biden’s role at Burisma that they raised it themselves while prepping this wonderful ambassador nominee before her confirmation,” Ms. Stefanik said. “And yet our Democratic colleagues and the chairman of this committee cry foul when we dare ask that same question that the Obama State Department was so concerned about. But we will continue asking it.”
Obama officials wary of Hunter Biden’s big-money job, ousted Ukraine ambassador admits
The difference is that while Obama tried to hide the facts of the Bidens' involvement in corruption in Ukraine from Congress and the American people, President Trump is determined to expose them.
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According to one Republican-leaning poll which is almost always higher than every other poll.
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval
President Trump's average job approval ratings, 44.2% is higher than Obama's rating (according to Gallup) of 43% at this point in his first term.
Presidential Approval Ratings -- Barack Obama
So yeah, as I said, you're basing your observations on one poll historically favorable to Trump. That's not as revealing as you fool yourself into believing.
As far as comparing Gallup's poll numbers on Obama with all polls on Trump, that's very dishonest of you. A valid comparison would be all polls for both or just Gallup for both. The reason you don't want to compare both is because:
Approval / disapproval
Obama ... 43% / 48%
Trump .... 41% / 57%
There's nothing "laughable" about the hearsay defense accept your belief that such evidence can be admitted in court.Sondland isnt a first hand witness.None of them are actual witnesses to anything.In the transcript: "I would like you to do us a favor though".No, I said bribery is an impeachable offense. Trump didn't bribe anybody.
He basically told the President of the Ukraine to announce an investigation into Biden or lose their military aid.
Nooooooo that's not bribery. Of course not. Can't be.
He did? Can you point which page and paragraph in the transcript where he said that? Thank you.
Witness testimony points to bribery.
John Bolton called it a "drug deal".
William B Taylor Jr. says that aid was withheld until Zelensky announced new investigation of Bidens. Sondland also said that such a deal being arranged.
he is a zero hand witness, aka, participant.
Vindman was on the call.
Mulvaney and Rick Perry need to be allowed to testify.
David Holmes summary:
- Not only did he hear Sondland talking to the President about investigations, and Sondland made clear to him afterwards he had just talked to the President.
- Sondland made clear that Trump didn't "give a shit about Ukraine" except for "big stuff" like "Biden investigations".
- Holmes immediately debriefed superiors at the embassy, so there are more witnesses.
- Holmes initially thought his testimony was pointless, because witnesses like Taylor and Yovanovitch are so consistent and unimpeachable. It was only when Republicans started the laughable "hearsay" defense that he realized his direct witness to the Trump phone call was significant.
- Holmes has new details about Lutsenko's conspiracy with Giuliani and Parnas/Fruman to oust Yovanovich, which SDNY has explicitly indicated is a core subject of their investigation and existing indictments.
- Not mentioned in this article, but Holmes was present as the embassy meeting at which they received the shocking news that OMB had placed a hold on aid in the days leading up to the Zelensky call, and were informed that "the order had come from the President".
The excuses and so call defense republicans and trump have for his crimes with Ukraine keep falling apart and being replaced by new lies.
Analysis: Trump’s core impeachment defense suffers a double blow — including a self-inflicted one
As much as I believe Trump is not doing himself any favors with his ranting on twatter the reality is Trump will not be convicted and remove...
Perhaps not. The right doesn't care how unethical he is, or if if he breaks our laws but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be called out for his unethical, unlawful behavior.
Again, according to one poll only -- Rasmussen, not surprisingly.The average of the major polls clearly show the President's job approval ratings have been steadily climbing despite the hearings.You are incapable of going over my head if you are repeating Trumps talking points. There is no increasing approval of Trump and 55 percent of the people support this inquiry. More than 13 million people watched day 1.My point, which apparently went right over you head, is that the Democrats' impeachment farce is having now effect on the public's approval of President Trump. The only people paying attention to these gossipy hearings are rabid Democrats like yourself and their supporters in left leaning media outlets. The polls show voters are paying no attention. Obama is irrelevant. I only pointed his ratings to put President Trump's current rise in the polls in perspective and to demonstrate how futile the impeachment show is.You wish, but the RCP average shows the President's job approval ratings have been going straight up while the Democrats have their gossip fest."The fact that President Trump's job approval ratings continue to grow while the Democrats are holding the Pelosi-Schiff production of Impeachment Theater, suggests that this nonsense will not harm President Trump in any way"
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According to one Republican-leaning poll which is almost always higher than every other poll.
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval
President Trump's average job approval ratings, 44.2% is higher than Obama's rating (according to Gallup) of 43% at this point in his first term.
Presidential Approval Ratings -- Barack Obama
You Trump people are extremely stupid. OK, Trumps approval rating is one point higher than Obamas. And you think this insures his reelection. In your simple mind it means he's done better than Obama. And that's as simple as it is for you.
The problem with you being simple minded is Trump has a 44 percent approval rating with low unemployment and a strong economy. He's 1 point ahead of a man that had 9-10 percent unemployment and a severe recession.
Trump is in trouble and this impeachment inquiry is not helping him.
Here's how many people watched the first day of public impeachment hearings - CNN
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval
LOLSo you agree that Mueller did an exemplary job, right?Yes... He exonerated Trump.Mueller did the job he was supposed to do -- find the truth. Do you disagree he found the truth?
But we knew there was never any evidence of Russian Collusion.
Just like the newest fakiest fad of Quid Pro Quo.
No short bus, he didn't. He had tunnel vision on Russia and ignored other countries that interfered.
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Dumbfuck.... that's because Mueller was instructed to look into the Russian hacking and folks connected to the campaign with Russian connections.
Are you ever not a retard??
