Offical Impeachment Thread

[PoliticalChic]

Yes, they could one up the Senate by not impeaching Trump and saying they will leave it to the voters to decide. However, that won't work. Trump would claim a victory stating it was another democrat witch hunt to discredit him. I think the democrats have gone too far to back down now.

Also, there are a lot of witness yet to testify and there may be more. Unlike last week's witnesses, the upcoming witnesses are much closer to Trump which means they could make things a lot worse for Trump such that a Senate acquittal might be impossible. If republican senators see Trump as a looser, they will desert him.

Let's see if the Leftists want the Republican Senate to question those witnesses.

I'm sure a number of the witnesses will testify in the Senate trial. Since this is a trial, Trump will be able to offer a defense.

In the House, the Republicans can present witnesses of their own. They have elected not only not present them but to try and block key witnesses from testifying. There is a short list that should be forced to testify. And this week, once they verify that crimes have been committed by these characters, the reasons that they say they are ammune to being supenened are going to be a wash. You can't claim client privalege if you are committing a crime while doing it and Rudy is toast as is all the rest of his criminals. And when they fall, expect others to fall as well including Barr.

Now the bad news:


"Independent voters across multiple states are not liking this Trump impeachment push that’s engulfed Capitol Hill. While the focus groups’ conclusion is that these crops of voters are “uninterested” about the impeachment inquiry, they’re also not too keen on the secretive nature that Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), chair of the House Intelligence Committee has exhibited with this maneuver. Schiff is the starting quarterback for this effort and kept the initial phases of the impeachment proceeding in the bunker. Hours of testimony from witnesses occurred behind closed doors, select portions of the transcripts were released, and Republicans on the committee were only given brief summaries that could only be read with a Democratic staffer present. This was done to control the narrative because public hearings exposed the Russian collusion narrative as a hoax."
Democrats Just Got More Bad News About Their Trump Impeachment Fantasy

Personal Op-Ed by a site that is off the deep end and considered a crackpot site. Comon, you can do better than that.

I didn't see any denial in your post.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Consider this plan.

If the Democrats were actually clever.......they'd hold the hearings......and then vote not to impeach.

Why?
a. they know the Republican Senate is a dead end for the ploy
b. independent voters have made clear that they are sick of the charade
c. the only hope is to damage Trump for the election....and they can see that it isn't working
d. they realize that if it gets to the Senate.....the Republicans can recall not just the same 'witnesses'...and ask what they want
and when they want....
e. but they can call Schiff to testify!!!!

Yes, they could one up the Senate by not impeaching Trump and saying they will leave it to the voters to decide. However, that won't work. Trump would claim a victory stating it was another democrat witch hunt to discredit him. I think the democrats have gone too far to back down now.

Also, there are a lot of witness yet to testify and there may be more. Unlike last week's witnesses, the upcoming witnesses are much closer to Trump which means they could make things a lot worse for Trump such that a Senate acquittal might be impossible. If republican senators see Trump as a looser, they will desert him.

Let's see if the Leftists want the Republican Senate to question those witnesses.

I'm sure a number of the witnesses will testify in the Senate trial. Since this is a trial, Trump will be able to offer a defense.

In the House, the Republicans can present witnesses of their own. They have elected not only not present them but to try and block key witnesses from testifying. There is a short list that should be forced to testify. And this week, once they verify that crimes have been committed by these characters, the reasons that they say they are ammune to being supenened are going to be a wash. You can't claim client privalege if you are committing a crime while doing it and Rudy is toast as is all the rest of his criminals. And when they fall, expect others to fall as well including Barr.

you really didn't write this sober correct? you certainly couldn't have written it with a straight face, or in complete control of your faculties. wow!! you really just demonstrated what a pure ignorant person you truly are. wow.

Schiff declines to hear testimony from majority of witnesses on GOP's list

Wow, another Cite from a site that is considered a conspiracy site. If they report it, it's probably a lie. You sure do like your ultra right wing conspiracy sites, don't you.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You better come to terms with facts and not fantasy.

The Durham investigation turned criminal only a very short time after the start. That means he has something, and he has something good. It means there will be indictments, there will be charges, their will be criminal prosecutions.

The IG released a statement that he will testify to Congress on December 11th about his report. That means his report will be out long before that so it can be read, redacted, and ready for presentation for such questioning. If it favored Democrats, he wouldn't be expecting to be hauled into Congress to answer anything. Apparently, he knows what his report shows are really going to piss of Piglosi, Schiff Face, and Shoemaker.

This will be another huge nothing-burger just like all the other alleged bombshells we never hear about again. Even if, by chance, it does turn something up, nothing will happen to anyone involved. Even Laura Ingraham said that last night when she was interviewing Congressman Chris Stewart about this report.

And what was his response? His response was this is totally different. He said the IG is who sent Durham and Barr out there to gather evidence. That would have never happened if there was nothing there. And given the fact Stewart has inside information, he seemed extremely confident this won't have the same kind of ending as the others.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Let's see if the Leftists want the Republican Senate to question those witnesses.

I'm sure a number of the witnesses will testify in the Senate trial. Since this is a trial, Trump will be able to offer a defense.

In the House, the Republicans can present witnesses of their own. They have elected not only not present them but to try and block key witnesses from testifying. There is a short list that should be forced to testify. And this week, once they verify that crimes have been committed by these characters, the reasons that they say they are ammune to being supenened are going to be a wash. You can't claim client privalege if you are committing a crime while doing it and Rudy is toast as is all the rest of his criminals. And when they fall, expect others to fall as well including Barr.

Now the bad news:


"Independent voters across multiple states are not liking this Trump impeachment push that’s engulfed Capitol Hill. While the focus groups’ conclusion is that these crops of voters are “uninterested” about the impeachment inquiry, they’re also not too keen on the secretive nature that Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), chair of the House Intelligence Committee has exhibited with this maneuver. Schiff is the starting quarterback for this effort and kept the initial phases of the impeachment proceeding in the bunker. Hours of testimony from witnesses occurred behind closed doors, select portions of the transcripts were released, and Republicans on the committee were only given brief summaries that could only be read with a Democratic staffer present. This was done to control the narrative because public hearings exposed the Russian collusion narrative as a hoax."
Democrats Just Got More Bad News About Their Trump Impeachment Fantasy

Personal Op-Ed by a site that is off the deep end and considered a crackpot site. Comon, you can do better than that.

I didn't see any denial in your post.

There is nothing worth reading for denial or confirming. It should begin with "Once upon a time" so why would I bother even clicking on the link. I hovered over it, saw the source and moved on. So should you.

 

[OldLady]

You better come to terms with facts and not fantasy.

The Durham investigation turned criminal only a very short time after the start. That means he has something, and he has something good. It means there will be indictments, there will be charges, their will be criminal prosecutions.

The IG released a statement that he will testify to Congress on December 11th about his report. That means his report will be out long before that so it can be read, redacted, and ready for presentation for such questioning. If it favored Democrats, he wouldn't be expecting to be hauled into Congress to answer anything. Apparently, he knows what his report shows are really going to piss of Piglosi, Schiff Face, and Shoemaker.

This will be another huge nothing-burger just like all the other alleged bombshells we never hear about again. Even if, by chance, it does turn something up, nothing will happen to anyone involved. Even Laura Ingraham said that last night when she was interviewing Congressman Chris Stewart about this report.

Well, the people testifying have all been questioned and anything important has already been leaked and the pieces useful to each side's argument have already been quoted and circulated. I wasn't about to read thousands of page of transcript, so I appreciate the public hearings. I don't really trust the media to tell the whole story, so I wanted to hear it straight from the horse's mouth. It would just be great if they didn't beat the testimony to death. Last week's testimony was more interesting.

 

[OKTexas]

It would be intresting to dig deeper on the offer from Ukrain to Vindman to be a defense minister. That needs more questions asked. Also, Vindman may also have outed himself as the whistle blowers source. Vindman is done in govrenment.

Also, without knowing who Vindman spoke to there's no way to determine if that person has a legitimate need to know. shitt blocking the question is likely preventing Vindman from having to take the 5th.

.

 

[OldLady]

Oh brother, this morning has been boring. By 10 a.m. we had heard all these witnesses had to say, and we've spent the last four hours listening to politicians repeat it and repeat it and repeat it.
Hope they move things along with the two folks this afternoon.

Funny, they didn't actually say anything...... just confirming that Trump didn't do anything wrong...but....GRRRRR, Orange Man Bad, gave them the feelz they didn't like...

Gee, I didn't hear them say that at all. They gave more testimony underscoring that Trump indeed did and said what he did. It just got beaten to death, imo.

I have yet to hear anybody say anything about a bribe. There's nothing in the phone call transcript that comes close to a bribe or quid pro quo, or whatever the Dems are saying it was today. The Ukrainian gov't from their president on down had no idea any aid was being held back pending their cooperation in a corruption investigation. Which BTW they didn't do (start an investigation into Biden jr or sr), and the aid was released without any strings.

Where's the witness that says I heard Trump say to do the investigation into VP Biden and Burisma or you don't get squat, like Biden himself did? And BTW, why aren't the Dems holding hearings and investigations about that? Where's the memo or email that says Trump ordered a hold for that reason? How long is this shit going to continue, the Dems got NOTHING.

Where's the witness that says I heard Trump say to do the investigation into VP Biden and Burisma or you don't get squat,
That's tomorrow. Sondland, apparently.

Okay, I look forward to that. If that's true then you have a case, IF Sondland heard the President himself say that. If not, then you got nothin'.

If not, then you got nothin'.
Oh, I've already got what I need--for you folks who don't believe what the ambassadors have said, maybe you'll believe Sondland.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The Law Enforcement Assistance and Cooperation Treaty with Ukraine specifies that the designated officials of the two nations are the US Attorney General and the Ukraine Minister of Justice, (3.1.d.). The treaty binds those two offices--and so the usual rules in both nations, regarding those offices: In the Treaty. So from the New York Times, about the phone--Barbarous Anti-American sentiment is apparently what the White House has documented.

"A Justice Department official said that Mr. Barr had no knowledge of the call until the director of national intelligence and the intelligence community’s inspector general sent the department the whistle-blower’s criminal referral late last month, and that Mr. Trump has not spoken with the attorney general “about having Ukraine investigate anything relating to former Vice President Biden or his son.”

Political interference is not considered cause, stated in the Treaty provisions.

https://www.congress.gov/106/cdoc/tdoc16/CDOC-106tdoc16.pdf

Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!
(Red-Hatter waving takes on a new appearance. "Banzai! Surprise!" Attack on the USA apparently is supported--or on Ukraine, or Crimea!)

The testimony yesterday of witnesses and patriots Ambassadors Taylor and Kent is that they disclosed a lunch time cell phone conversation between Trump and Ambassador Sondland where it is very obvious that Trump is more interested in investigation the Bidens then he is in rendering aid to Ukraine. This is not only devastating to Trump but also to Sondland, since he failed to disclose this conversation with Trump at his closed door hearing. Sondland is to testify next week. IT WILL BE FASCINATING TO SEE THE STEPS TRUMP & CO WILL TAKE TO KEEP HIM FROM TESTIFYING.

And, most importantly, this will serve as notice to other Trump sycophants that when questioned by the Democrats, if they avoid disclosing everything they know about Trump's crimes, retribution awaits them.

He can't not show up to testify.

If he doesn't show up he will probably be facing perjury and obstruction of justice charges.

He's being given one more chance to be honest. He would be very stupid to not take it and be honest.

I doubt he would want to end up in prison like other people who work with trump.

It would be very ironic if he did end up in prison. He would have effectively paid trump a million dollars to go to prison.

No one is going to end up in prison for not performing in the Dem circus in the House. All the House can do is refer the case to the DoJ for prosecution, and the DoJ will decline to prosecute.

They can take it to a lower Federal Court to issue the arrest orders. And if the DOJ won't do it, the US Marshals will. The Biggest job that a US Marshal has is to arrest and escort people into the Federal Court System so that the Court System can deal with them. Now, if the DOJ (meaning Barr) want's to try and stop that, he has the option to take it to the Supreme Court. But he's liable to find himself in a rather sticky situation when his own people start refusing to comply.

No, the DoJ can decline to prosecute and that will be the end of it.

Barr isn't all of the DOJ. Me thinks you doth gives him too much credit. Not all DOJ levels are dishonest. Otherwise, a lot of people that went to prison or have been indicted wouldn't have been.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm sure a number of the witnesses will testify in the Senate trial. Since this is a trial, Trump will be able to offer a defense.

In the House, the Republicans can present witnesses of their own. They have elected not only not present them but to try and block key witnesses from testifying. There is a short list that should be forced to testify. And this week, once they verify that crimes have been committed by these characters, the reasons that they say they are ammune to being supenened are going to be a wash. You can't claim client privalege if you are committing a crime while doing it and Rudy is toast as is all the rest of his criminals. And when they fall, expect others to fall as well including Barr.

Now the bad news:


"Independent voters across multiple states are not liking this Trump impeachment push that’s engulfed Capitol Hill. While the focus groups’ conclusion is that these crops of voters are “uninterested” about the impeachment inquiry, they’re also not too keen on the secretive nature that Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), chair of the House Intelligence Committee has exhibited with this maneuver. Schiff is the starting quarterback for this effort and kept the initial phases of the impeachment proceeding in the bunker. Hours of testimony from witnesses occurred behind closed doors, select portions of the transcripts were released, and Republicans on the committee were only given brief summaries that could only be read with a Democratic staffer present. This was done to control the narrative because public hearings exposed the Russian collusion narrative as a hoax."
Democrats Just Got More Bad News About Their Trump Impeachment Fantasy

Personal Op-Ed by a site that is off the deep end and considered a crackpot site. Comon, you can do better than that.

I didn't see any denial in your post.

There is nothing worth reading for denial or confirming. It should begin with "Once upon a time" so why would I bother even clicking on the link. I hovered over it, saw the source and moved on. So should you.

Stop making excuses.....you've essentially admitted it to be true.

 

[flack]

Funny, they didn't actually say anything...... just confirming that Trump didn't do anything wrong...but....GRRRRR, Orange Man Bad, gave them the feelz they didn't like...

Gee, I didn't hear them say that at all. They gave more testimony underscoring that Trump indeed did and said what he did. It just got beaten to death, imo.

I have yet to hear anybody say anything about a bribe. There's nothing in the phone call transcript that comes close to a bribe or quid pro quo, or whatever the Dems are saying it was today. The Ukrainian gov't from their president on down had no idea any aid was being held back pending their cooperation in a corruption investigation. Which BTW they didn't do (start an investigation into Biden jr or sr), and the aid was released without any strings.

Where's the witness that says I heard Trump say to do the investigation into VP Biden and Burisma or you don't get squat, like Biden himself did? And BTW, why aren't the Dems holding hearings and investigations about that? Where's the memo or email that says Trump ordered a hold for that reason? How long is this shit going to continue, the Dems got NOTHING.

Where's the witness that says I heard Trump say to do the investigation into VP Biden and Burisma or you don't get squat,
That's tomorrow. Sondland, apparently.

Okay, I look forward to that. If that's true then you have a case, IF Sondland heard the President himself say that. If not, then you got nothin'.

If not, then you got nothin'.
Oh, I've already got what I need--for you folks who don't believe what the ambassadors have said, maybe you'll believe Sondland.

He has nothing as well. This gets closed down by the holiday break.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Another fairly accurate study was already given in here. It showed that Rump received a larger amount of large campaign contributions from large women donations. But when you looked at the totals, the small donations made up the lions share and went to the demos. In fact, overall, Bernie took home the bacon with Mayor Pete coming in a close second. I have no idea where they are getting the idea that there is a surge in Rumps suburban Women donations. I guess Rush and Hannity just made it up and told them to say it.

Then let me tell you what's not made up: Durham turned his investigation criminal. The IG is going to testify to Congress about his report on Dec 11th, which means it will be out well beforehand in a couple of weeks.

Then commies are having their fun now, but our fun is just around the corner.

This week, look for charges from the House to those that you think are going to be sending out those arrest warrants. The House will be going through a lower Federal Court which has no real love for any of the criminals in the Whitehouse. It hasn't been Barr and company that has done the prosecution of the criminals.

Wait a minute, what you're saying is that the Democrats are going to go to court to stop an investigation from being reported to the AG and IG? And you think a court will stop that? You're out of your mind. The House has 0 to do with a criminal investigation. They are not part of it, and can't make themselves part of it. It's not in their control.

No, the House won't stop it but Co-conspirators really don't have a leg to stand on when they try and bust anyone of anything. It becomes a conflict of interest very quickly. Yah, I know, Rump and his band of Criminals are pros at conflicts of interests but come January things should get very interesting. And I doubt if Barr and his co-conspirators can get anything done that fast.

You better come to terms with facts and not fantasy.

The Durham investigation turned criminal only a very short time after the start. That means he has something, and he has something good. It means there will be indictments, there will be charges, their will be criminal prosecutions.

The IG released a statement that he will testify to Congress on December 11th about his report. That means his report will be out long before that so it can be read, redacted, and ready for presentation for such questioning. If it favored Democrats, he wouldn't be expecting to be hauled into Congress to answer anything. Apparently, he knows what his report shows are really going to piss of Piglosi, Schiff Face, and Shoemaker.

Given the amount of people in the coupe, the first few subpoenaed into court will be the start of the dominos falling, and most people will do anything to avoid going to prison, because they all know that Trump has the next election almost blindfolded, and there will be no pardons for people that worked against him in the election.

Do we know this? Not with his approval rating. And all that BS done, he won't be facing Biden afterall. It looks like he's going to be facing Mayor Pete. And Rumps backers wouldn't vote for Mayor Pete anyway even if Mayor Pete were endorsed by Rump, or would they?

 

[Toro]

It’s pretty clear that Orange Jesus attempted a quid pro quo. But a quid pro quo didn’t happen.

A President should not be impeached for an attempted quid pro quo, even if it is distasteful, tramples all over civil norms, and makes us look like two-bit rubes to the rest of the world.

Trump’s fitness for office should be left up to the voters next fall.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

In the House, the Republicans can present witnesses of their own. They have elected not only not present them but to try and block key witnesses from testifying. There is a short list that should be forced to testify. And this week, once they verify that crimes have been committed by these characters, the reasons that they say they are ammune to being supenened are going to be a wash. You can't claim client privalege if you are committing a crime while doing it and Rudy is toast as is all the rest of his criminals. And when they fall, expect others to fall as well including Barr.

Now the bad news:


"Independent voters across multiple states are not liking this Trump impeachment push that’s engulfed Capitol Hill. While the focus groups’ conclusion is that these crops of voters are “uninterested” about the impeachment inquiry, they’re also not too keen on the secretive nature that Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), chair of the House Intelligence Committee has exhibited with this maneuver. Schiff is the starting quarterback for this effort and kept the initial phases of the impeachment proceeding in the bunker. Hours of testimony from witnesses occurred behind closed doors, select portions of the transcripts were released, and Republicans on the committee were only given brief summaries that could only be read with a Democratic staffer present. This was done to control the narrative because public hearings exposed the Russian collusion narrative as a hoax."
Democrats Just Got More Bad News About Their Trump Impeachment Fantasy

Personal Op-Ed by a site that is off the deep end and considered a crackpot site. Comon, you can do better than that.

I didn't see any denial in your post.

There is nothing worth reading for denial or confirming. It should begin with "Once upon a time" so why would I bother even clicking on the link. I hovered over it, saw the source and moved on. So should you.

Stop making excuses.....you've essentially admitted it to be true.

You sure do like to lied. I admited that I didn't read it and why. I put my mouse over the link, saw where it lead to and moved on. I don't bother reading RWconspiracy sites as they are printing conspiracy lies. Now, move on.

 

[Flash]

Nothing Burgers again today.

The skinny chick said nothing and the traitorous Army Communist born weenie is just butt hurt because Trump wouldn't let him run the rogue foreign policy that he wanted to run.

 

[Flash]

Just when does a low level Army officer get to decide when the President's foreign policy is "appropriate" or not? Who elected that sonofabitch?

The only reason the sonofabitch was able to rise in rank in the Army was because he knew how to speak Ukrainian.

 

[Ame®icano]

What did Vindman know about VP Biden and son before the 2016 election??? How come none of the assholes Democrats are asking him that?

He bragged he know most about Ukraine, it's just this little detail that he knew nothing about.

 

[Persistence Of Memory]

Funny, they didn't actually say anything...... just confirming that Trump didn't do anything wrong...but....GRRRRR, Orange Man Bad, gave them the feelz they didn't like...

Gee, I didn't hear them say that at all. They gave more testimony underscoring that Trump indeed did and said what he did. It just got beaten to death, imo.

I have yet to hear anybody say anything about a bribe. There's nothing in the phone call transcript that comes close to a bribe or quid pro quo, or whatever the Dems are saying it was today. The Ukrainian gov't from their president on down had no idea any aid was being held back pending their cooperation in a corruption investigation. Which BTW they didn't do (start an investigation into Biden jr or sr), and the aid was released without any strings.

Where's the witness that says I heard Trump say to do the investigation into VP Biden and Burisma or you don't get squat, like Biden himself did? And BTW, why aren't the Dems holding hearings and investigations about that? Where's the memo or email that says Trump ordered a hold for that reason? How long is this shit going to continue, the Dems got NOTHING.

Where's the witness that says I heard Trump say to do the investigation into VP Biden and Burisma or you don't get squat,
That's tomorrow. Sondland, apparently.

lol The "witness was eavesdropping from a distance on Soundland's phone call and claims he recognized the President's voice asking about the investigation in the Bidens' involvement in corruption in Ukraine although no one ever confirmed to him that it was the President. Just more political gossip.

Another heresay day.
As predicted

Nuremberg 2020 begins 12/11/2019

https://www.commdiginews.com/politics-2/breaking-ig-michael-horowitz-will-testify-before-senate-judiciary-
december-11-124651/

 

[OKTexas]

Jim Jordan isn't asking questions, he's testfying and trying to get lies and conspiracy theories into the record.

And of course shitt isn't. LMAO

.

 

[Flash]

What did Vindman know about VP Biden and son before the 2016 election??? How come none of the assholes Democrats are asking him that?

He bragged he know most about Ukraine, it's just this little detail that he knew nothing about.

He didn't even know what committee he was being questioned from. Jim Jordan made him look like a fool.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Now the bad news:


"Independent voters across multiple states are not liking this Trump impeachment push that’s engulfed Capitol Hill. While the focus groups’ conclusion is that these crops of voters are “uninterested” about the impeachment inquiry, they’re also not too keen on the secretive nature that Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), chair of the House Intelligence Committee has exhibited with this maneuver. Schiff is the starting quarterback for this effort and kept the initial phases of the impeachment proceeding in the bunker. Hours of testimony from witnesses occurred behind closed doors, select portions of the transcripts were released, and Republicans on the committee were only given brief summaries that could only be read with a Democratic staffer present. This was done to control the narrative because public hearings exposed the Russian collusion narrative as a hoax."
Democrats Just Got More Bad News About Their Trump Impeachment Fantasy

Personal Op-Ed by a site that is off the deep end and considered a crackpot site. Comon, you can do better than that.

I didn't see any denial in your post.

There is nothing worth reading for denial or confirming. It should begin with "Once upon a time" so why would I bother even clicking on the link. I hovered over it, saw the source and moved on. So should you.

Stop making excuses.....you've essentially admitted it to be true.

You sure do like to lied. I admited that I didn't read it and why. I put my mouse over the link, saw where it lead to and moved on. I don't bother reading RWconspiracy sites as they are printing conspiracy lies. Now, move on.

This is your version of English?
"You sure do like to lied."


You used the tried and true Liberals defense.....you know it's not true because you didn't read it.

I'm sure there are different levels....which sort of moron are you?



Let's be honest: You're ill-read, ill-informed, and emotionally ill-equipped to handle this discussion.

Drop back when the discussion get to monster trucks and favorite Crayola.