Official USMB Debate 2020 -- "Round One" Thread..

[AzogtheDefiler]

The awful mess was Hidin' Biden and his buddy Wallace. Care4all and other TDS folks prove there are two Americas, those who are mentally ill and those who are not. Hidin' Biden stumbled through lie after lie. And President Trump barely got started. Looking forward to the next "mess" in which Hidin' Biden gets massacred again.

This was a pretty neat moment though, huh?

Donald Trump sidesteps call to condemn white supremacists — and the Proud Boys were 'extremely excited' about it

Debate moderator Chris Wallace asked if Donald Trump would urge groups to stand down and avoid contributing to the violence. He sidestepped.

www.usatoday.com

The Proud Boys are not a ws group, nor a hate group. Trump was right to NOT denounce them.


AND might I add, the question is bullshit. ws are a fringe movement with no importance.

Wrong...a POtuS that refused to condemn terrorism is something I thought I would never see. That debate was sad for America.

Walking and defending your self when attacked, is the opposite of terrorism.


It is sad that America needs to be told that.

When a President is asked to condemn violence after an election and he refuses to do so, that is a sad day for America democracy.

It has been a sad day since COVID-19 hit.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

His lack of courage in answering the packing of the Supreme Court is interesting. We ll see if this hurts Biden.

Biden punted

Yes. Unfortunate. Shows cowardice.

Trump didn’t punt on condemning White Supremacy
He just can’t do it. Looked like he was going to at first, then backed away

He said Proud Boys stand down and Biden said Antifa is an idea?

No. He didn't say ”Proud Boys stand down”.

He did. LoneLoser. Turn up your miracle ear, fatty.

ShortBus, Impeached Trump said, "stand back and stand by." Asked to condemn white supremacists, he instead tells them to stand by.

Stand down and stand back

LOL

It's like you rightards live in an alternate universe where you make up your own alternative facts.

No moron, he said, "stand back and stand by." And immediately after telling thd Proud Boys to "stand by," he says, "but I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about Antifa and the left." So rather than condemn white supremacists, he gives them the green light to "do something" about the left. He's a sick fuck who supports white supremacy.

He has formerly condemned white supremacists.-
“Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

After another question at that press conference, Trump became even more explicit:


“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”
Proud Boys being used a white supremacist group is a left wing thing, without merit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/08/fbi-says-proud-boys-are-not-an-extremist-group-after-all/

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"But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides."

It was a racist rally to unite the alt-right extremist groups of the Proud Boys, KKK, neo-nazis, and other assorted white supremacists...

... so who anong them are "very fine people?"

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

Thanks for proving what I said is accurate. Impeached Trump called members of the racist alt-right, "very fine people."

Nope. He never did. You lie once more, Waste of Life.

 

[Toro]

I watched the first hour before I was tired of the shoutfest and went to bed.
What a freaking mess. Trump simply doesn't know when to shut up.
Biden passed his very low brow test, no one expecting much out of him - and we didn't get it.
Trump was a schoolyard bully. He hardly let Biden say two words without interrupting, so the last thing Biden had to worry about was having senior moments.... he never got a moment to show one.

In my opinion - Biden won. He won because he made it. He survived it. He did so without any major senile moments due to Trumps beating. Trump fucked it up like I was afraid he would. He looked childish, bullyish throwing tantrums. Absolutely terrible.
And he gave Biden great reasons to have no more debates.

I think that was the impression Chris Wallace gave everyone......because Wallace was there to keep Trump off of Biden.
Biden could interrupt Trump any time he wanted.....but Trump wasn't even allowed to finish his thoughts without Wallace going....but...but...but...but....this is a tactic Wallace uses on his Sunday shows. When he doesn't like the answer....he starts doing his motorboat routine. It's why I stopped watching his show.
This is a trend I've seen with debate moderators....the Republican isn't just debating the Democrat....he has to deal with an argumentative moderator as well.

In my opinion, all Trump had to do was show up and let Biden destroy himself. But it went the other way around. The debate isn't going to change anyone's mind that is already made up. Like both of ours. I am not voting for Biden now, just like I wasn't yesterday. But there are people on the fence. There are folks that can go either way, and last night I believe Trump took more hits than Biden. It was a schoolyard brawl, a complete mess.
And I do agree Wallace does indeed interrupt too much. It isn't a high school debate forum. That can add frustration to an already obvious tense debate. I agree he certainly interrupted Trump more than Biden, particularly when it was Trump's turn and he would start to talk and Wallace would interrupt simply to tell him it is his turn. That was dumb, and he did it 3 times by my count.
But in the end - I think for fence sitters... Biden looked better. Everyone was expecting little from him, but also expected him to falter and lose his place...confused.. but Trump never gave him more than 10 seconds to speak.

One theory of Trump’s antics is that he was trying to rattle Biden so badly that he would start to stutter and look incoherent. Biden has a stutter, and continuously interrupting someone who has a stutter is a way to bring the stutter out.

 

[Toro]

I watched the first hour before I was tired of the shoutfest and went to bed.
What a freaking mess. Trump simply doesn't know when to shut up.
Biden passed his very low brow test, no one expecting much out of him - and we didn't get it.
Trump was a schoolyard bully. He hardly let Biden say two words without interrupting, so the last thing Biden had to worry about was having senior moments.... he never got a moment to show one.

In my opinion - Biden won. He won because he made it. He survived it. He did so without any major senile moments due to Trumps beating. Trump fucked it up like I was afraid he would. He looked childish, bullyish throwing tantrums. Absolutely terrible.
And he gave Biden great reasons to have no more debates.

I think that was the impression Chris Wallace gave everyone......because Wallace was there to keep Trump off of Biden.
Biden could interrupt Trump any time he wanted.....but Trump wasn't even allowed to finish his thoughts without Wallace going....but...but...but...but....this is a tactic Wallace uses on his Sunday shows. When he doesn't like the answer....he starts doing his motorboat routine. It's why I stopped watching his show.
This is a trend I've seen with debate moderators....the Republican isn't just debating the Democrat....he has to deal with an argumentative moderator as well.

In my opinion, all Trump had to do was show up and let Biden destroy himself. But it went the other way around. The debate isn't going to change anyone's mind that is already made up. Like both of ours. I am not voting for Biden now, just like I wasn't yesterday. But there are people on the fence. There are folks that can go either way, and last night I believe Trump took more hits than Biden. It was a schoolyard brawl, a complete mess.
And I do agree Wallace does indeed interrupt too much. It isn't a high school debate forum. That can add frustration to an already obvious tense debate. I agree he certainly interrupted Trump more than Biden, particularly when it was Trump's turn and he would start to talk and Wallace would interrupt simply to tell him it is his turn. That was dumb, and he did it 3 times by my count.
But in the end - I think for fence sitters... Biden looked better. Everyone was expecting little from him, but also expected him to falter and lose his place...confused.. but Trump never gave him more than 10 seconds to speak.

Trump was agressive and got his message across. Biden did not.

Chris Wallace claimed before the debate to want to be invisible...but he spent most of the debate defending Biden and admonishing Trump.
He also broke his own format.....2 mins for each candidate and then a period of free-discussion.
That lasted for one question....then it became ask Biden a question...then admonish Trump for interrupting him. Ask Biden another question.....and then admonish Trump for talking over him. Trump was never allowed to finish his thoughts. Biden was given at one point over 8 mins to answer two related questions and Trump had to sit there and stay quiet while it went on and on and on.
Wallace was just there saying, "Go ahead and finish what you had to say before you were so rudely interrupted President Biden".

He kept admonishing Trump because Trump kept breaking the rules that were agreed-upon prior to the debate

They both broke the rules....and even Wallace broke his own rules.

95% of the interruptions came from Trump

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

His lack of courage in answering the packing of the Supreme Court is interesting. We ll see if this hurts Biden.

Biden punted

Yes. Unfortunate. Shows cowardice.

Trump didn’t punt on condemning White Supremacy
He just can’t do it. Looked like he was going to at first, then backed away

He said Proud Boys stand down and Biden said Antifa is an idea?

No. He didn't say ”Proud Boys stand down”.

He did. LoneLoser. Turn up your miracle ear, fatty.

ShortBus, Impeached Trump said, "stand back and stand by." Asked to condemn white supremacists, he instead tells them to stand by.

Stand down and stand back

LOL

It's like you rightards live in an alternate universe where you make up your own alternative facts.

No moron, he said, "stand back and stand by." And immediately after telling thd Proud Boys to "stand by," he says, "but I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about Antifa and the left." So rather than condemn white supremacists, he gives them the green light to "do something" about the left. He's a sick fuck who supports white supremacy.

Not what happened. If you’re just going to stick to ad Hominems pick a different user to troll. Thanks.

ShortBus, I posted that with a link to the video of him saying everything I quoted him saying. You denying reality doesn't mean he didn't refuse to condemn white supremacists; it just means you're a fucking nut.

Just as I figured you cannot be civil. Enjoy your echo chamber.

Why should people be civil with someone who's denying what is shown on video? If you're gonna blatantly lie like that, you should expect incivility.

I watched it live and you have never been civil. You’re the epitome of what is wrong with America. Just come out of the closet and stop being so miserable.

LOL

You're fucked in tbe head if you think watching it live is any different than the video I posted.

"Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about Antifa and the left."

And no, ShortBus, he didn't say anything differently when it appeared live.

And now the Proud Boys are calling that quote, "marching orders."

Proud Boys

Subscribe to the Sounds Like Hate podcast to learn more about hate groups like the Proud Boys. Established in the midst of the 2016 presidential election by VICE Media co-founder Gavin McInnes, the Proud Boys are self-described “Western chauvinists” who adamantly deny any connection to the...

www.splcenter.org

Maybe I misheard him. The world is still better if you’re not in it. Way better.

Was that supposed to be you showing the kids how to accept responsibility when you're wrong?

Pig headed people are always the last to show good character. This isn't the first time that you've been so obviously wrong and refused to be a man.

I said I was mistaken. I thought he said down not by. Tough to gauge with all the back and forth last night. Don't bring my kids into this, you waste of space.

 

[JoeB131]

I totally agree. Biden lied most of the time, scoffed and chuckled about things that were true. In other words - like any politician. I am only speaking about the debate itself. Just the debate.
You can't possibly say Trump acted like a President last night. That was the leader of the free world??
I don't know what happened to him. He has never acted that unhinged before.

You're kidding, right? Trump has been this fucking unhinged for the last four years. This is who Trump is. This is what you all voted for when you passed up 16 other candidates, including Governor and Senators, to pick THIS clown.

You sound like the Bride who complains about the husband her whole family told her NOT to marry.

 

[rightwinger]

I think Trump’s strategy was to be overly aggressive to try to rattle Joe Biden. I don’t think it worked.

If it had worked, you would have heard all the dementia talk. But that wasn’t the case at all. He looked fine. I think it backfired. It made Trump look like a jackass and Biden looked relatively cool under the pressure.

Trump also kept trying to peg Biden with far-left labels. Green New Deal, defunding the police, Antifa, socialism. Maybe he was trying to get Biden to denounce them to lose his far left supporters. I think Biden fumbled on the Antifa question but the rest was handled decently. Biden isn’t that left. Maybe Trump thought he was talking to Bernie Sanders.

Of course maybe I’m assuming too much and Trump didn’t actually have a plan.

HAd Trump waited another 2-4 seconds on about 5 different occasions Biden would have expolded and deystroyed himself... Trump needs to use a little more patience. Biden was stumbeling on several occasions and had he let him speak it would have collapsed.

Yes!
Trump kept peppering him when should have stood back and let him fall

Weird. It looks like we’re all in agreement.

Trump needs to shut up more next debate.

I don’t think he is capable.

I can see why Trump was kicked out of school and sent to military school as a child.

He is unable to control himself

LOL he controlled himself quite well for a man who's had the Dems snapping at his heels for three years. Biden is the one who called Trump names. Guess you missed that you ass. LOL

It was TRUMP who was out of control for 90 minutes

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I watched the first hour before I was tired of the shoutfest and went to bed.
What a freaking mess. Trump simply doesn't know when to shut up.
Biden passed his very low brow test, no one expecting much out of him - and we didn't get it.
Trump was a schoolyard bully. He hardly let Biden say two words without interrupting, so the last thing Biden had to worry about was having senior moments.... he never got a moment to show one.

In my opinion - Biden won. He won because he made it. He survived it. He did so without any major senile moments due to Trumps beating. Trump fucked it up like I was afraid he would. He looked childish, bullyish throwing tantrums. Absolutely terrible.
And he gave Biden great reasons to have no more debates.

I think that was the impression Chris Wallace gave everyone......because Wallace was there to keep Trump off of Biden.
Biden could interrupt Trump any time he wanted.....but Trump wasn't even allowed to finish his thoughts without Wallace going....but...but...but...but....this is a tactic Wallace uses on his Sunday shows. When he doesn't like the answer....he starts doing his motorboat routine. It's why I stopped watching his show.
This is a trend I've seen with debate moderators....the Republican isn't just debating the Democrat....he has to deal with an argumentative moderator as well.

In my opinion, all Trump had to do was show up and let Biden destroy himself. But it went the other way around. The debate isn't going to change anyone's mind that is already made up. Like both of ours. I am not voting for Biden now, just like I wasn't yesterday. But there are people on the fence. There are folks that can go either way, and last night I believe Trump took more hits than Biden. It was a schoolyard brawl, a complete mess.
And I do agree Wallace does indeed interrupt too much. It isn't a high school debate forum. That can add frustration to an already obvious tense debate. I agree he certainly interrupted Trump more than Biden, particularly when it was Trump's turn and he would start to talk and Wallace would interrupt simply to tell him it is his turn. That was dumb, and he did it 3 times by my count.
But in the end - I think for fence sitters... Biden looked better. Everyone was expecting little from him, but also expected him to falter and lose his place...confused.. but Trump never gave him more than 10 seconds to speak.

Trump was agressive and got his message across. Biden did not.

Chris Wallace claimed before the debate to want to be invisible...but he spent most of the debate defending Biden and admonishing Trump.
He also broke his own format.....2 mins for each candidate and then a period of free-discussion.
That lasted for one question....then it became ask Biden a question...then admonish Trump for interrupting him. Ask Biden another question.....and then admonish Trump for talking over him. Trump was never allowed to finish his thoughts. Biden was given at one point over 8 mins to answer two related questions and Trump had to sit there and stay quiet while it went on and on and on.
Wallace was just there saying, "Go ahead and finish what you had to say before you were so rudely interrupted President Biden".

He kept admonishing Trump because Trump kept breaking the rules that were agreed-upon prior to the debate

They both broke the rules....and even Wallace broke his own rules.

95% of the interruptions came from Trump

I guess the past what five presidents have been the most vociferous ones in debates. In the end people will remember Trump. This is likely what he was going for but in my opinion he made a mistake. If he didn't keep interrupting Biden, Slow Joe likely would have said something stupid on his own. Well he did when he refused to answer if he would pack the court and called Antifa an "idea".

 

[initforme]

Last night was a total debacle. It was an embarrassment and an insult to voters. I'm embarassed to claim those two are the choices.

 

[Obejoekenobe]

A CBS News instant poll finds 48% think Joe Biden won tonight’s debate, 41% think Donald Trump won and 10% think it was a tie.

A CNN instant poll finds Biden won, 60% to 28%.

Instant Polls Find Biden Won Tonight’s Debate

A CBS News instant poll finds 48% think Joe Biden won tonight's debate, 41% think Donald Trump won and 10% think it was a tie.A CNN instant poll finds Biden won, 60% to 28%.

politicalwire.com

Biden didn't so much as win as did Trump lose because his debate performance was so bad.... and sad. And when Trump wasn't waving his arms whinning, pissing and moaning, his answers were littered with inconsistencies and lies.

Biden won by default.

 

[JoeB131]

It has been a sad day since COVID-19 hit.

No, what is sad is that Trump lied to us about how serious it was, refused to take actions to contain it because he was more concerned with the stock market, engaged in magical thinking to downplay the seriousness of the disease, undermined his own medical experts, openly undermined the governors taking the actions he refused to take, failed to use his powers to produce the resources needed to combat this thing. He made masks part of the culture war when they never should have been.

Every other industrialized country has done a better job at containing this thing than we have.

Government schools will be teaching this as an example of administrative failure for a century.

 

[Mac1958]

The awful mess was Hidin' Biden and his buddy Wallace. Care4all and other TDS folks prove there are two Americas, those who are mentally ill and those who are not. Hidin' Biden stumbled through lie after lie. And President Trump barely got started. Looking forward to the next "mess" in which Hidin' Biden gets massacred again.

This was a pretty neat moment though, huh?

Donald Trump sidesteps call to condemn white supremacists — and the Proud Boys were 'extremely excited' about it

Debate moderator Chris Wallace asked if Donald Trump would urge groups to stand down and avoid contributing to the violence. He sidestepped.

www.usatoday.com

The Proud Boys are not a ws group, nor a hate group. Trump was right to NOT denounce them.


AND might I add, the question is bullshit. ws are a fringe movement with no importance.

Wrong...a POtuS that refused to condemn terrorism is something I thought I would never see. That debate was sad for America.

And this time it was blatant. "Stand back and stand by". That's his "condemnation". And then he just moves on.

And of course, the enablers of this are just fine with it.

Yeah, I never thought I see this, among other things. This is bad.

 

[rightwinger]

I don’t see what Trump hoped to gain by his outlandish behavior.

He trails Biden with a month to go before the election. What voters did he expect to win over by showing what an out of control bully he is.

 

[Mac1958]

The awful mess was Hidin' Biden and his buddy Wallace. Care4all and other TDS folks prove there are two Americas, those who are mentally ill and those who are not. Hidin' Biden stumbled through lie after lie. And President Trump barely got started. Looking forward to the next "mess" in which Hidin' Biden gets massacred again.

This was a pretty neat moment though, huh?

Donald Trump sidesteps call to condemn white supremacists — and the Proud Boys were 'extremely excited' about it

Debate moderator Chris Wallace asked if Donald Trump would urge groups to stand down and avoid contributing to the violence. He sidestepped.

www.usatoday.com

The Proud Boys are not a ws group, nor a hate group. Trump was right to NOT denounce them.


AND might I add, the question is bullshit. ws are a fringe movement with no importance.

Wrong...a POtuS that refused to condemn terrorism is something I thought I would never see. That debate was sad for America.

Walking and defending your self when attacked, is the opposite of terrorism.


It is sad that America needs to be told that.

When a President is asked to condemn violence after an election and he refuses to do so, that is a sad day for America democracy.

This is Trumpism. A sad day for American democracy, and a terrible reflection of what this country now is.

 

[mudwhistle]

Biden’s “deal” is like Obamacare, vote for him and find out later what’s in it; pack the courts, green new deal, economy, health care, etc.

The only goal for that debate was to make it look like Biden wasn't a basketcase.
They accomplished that.

Gotta agree. I'm wondering if he had an earpiece in since he wouldn't let them look at his ears?? He bumbled a few answers but not many.

Said way earlier, I believe Biden did have an earpiece communication. When Wallace let him answer second, Biden spent the time writing down what was being told to him. Early on, he fidgeted in his right ear, likely to adjust.

Then again, maybe Joe was never the sleepy slow Biden y'all Trumpies made him out to be. Y'all built up this narrative of Biden being feeble and slow and when he out performs y'alls preconceived notions of him well.... he must have an earpiece and somebody whispering the answers in his ear, when the reality is Trump is whining his ass off because Sleepy Joe keeps shoving his failures up his ass before God and country.

Nope. The Democrats are destroying the economy and attempting to blame their destruction on Trump. Biden kept saying anything that happens on his watch is his fault. The only thing Trump did wrong was not throw it back in his face. Everyone knows that our laws prevent the president from stepping on state an local government's authority. Biden knows it. Maybe he thinks he can institute some form of fascism that removes that authority.

 

[Mac1958]

I don’t see what Trump hoped to gain by his outlandish behavior.

He trails Biden with a month to go before the election. What voters did he expect to win over by showing what an out of control bully he is.

Inexplicable. As usual. He's actually more of a child today than he was four years ago.

 

[Redcurtain]

 

[rightwinger]

Last night was a total debacle. It was an embarrassment and an insult to voters. I'm embarassed to claim those two are the choices.

It was a sad day for our country

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I totally agree. Biden lied most of the time, scoffed and chuckled about things that were true. In other words - like any politician. I am only speaking about the debate itself. Just the debate.
You can't possibly say Trump acted like a President last night. That was the leader of the free world??
I don't know what happened to him. He has never acted that unhinged before.

You're kidding, right? Trump has been this fucking unhinged for the last four years. This is who Trump is. This is what you all voted for when you passed up 16 other candidates, including Governor and Senators, to pick THIS clown.

You sound like the Bride who complains about the husband her whole family told her NOT to marry.

Bided refused to admit he would pack the court, just didn't answer. Biden also called Antifa an "idea". Trump was unhinged. Four years of dealing with the biased media came spilling out in one debate. Likely felt refreshing for him but IMO was a poor strategy. Biden also denied that Hunter received all that money from Burisma, China and Russia but he did. Poor performance by both candidates.


From 2014 to 2019, Hunter Biden was a paid member of the board of directors of Burisma Holdings, a large Ukrainian natural gas producer. The company’s owner, Mykola Zlochevsky, was investigated for alleged corruption and bribery in the U.K. and Ukraine. Between 2015 and 2016, Ukraine’s prosecutor general was Viktor Shokin, whose office conducted an investigation into Zlochevsky.

In January 2018, Joe Biden spoke at a Council on Foreign Relations meeting and recounted the pressure that the Obama administration in general, and himself in particular, had placed on Ukraine’s government to fire Shokin. That pressure included threatening to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees to the country.''


Hunter Biden and his associate, Archer, had a financial relationship with Russian businesswoman Elena Baturina. Baturina is the former wife of the late Yuri Luzhkov, who was the mayor of Moscow and was fired in 2010 by then-Russian president Dmitry Medvedev over corruption allegations. Baturina became Russia’s only female billionaire when her plastics company, Inteko, received a series of Moscow municipal contracts while her husband was mayor.

…On Feb. 14, 2014, Baturina wired $3.5 million to a Rosemont Seneca Thornton LLC (Rosemont Seneca Thornton) bank account for a “Consultancy Agreement DD12.02.2014.” Rosemont Seneca Thornton is an investment firm co-founded by Hunter Biden that was incorporated on May 28, 2013 in Wilmington, Del.

 

[Mac1958]

The awful mess was Hidin' Biden and his buddy Wallace. Care4all and other TDS folks prove there are two Americas, those who are mentally ill and those who are not. Hidin' Biden stumbled through lie after lie. And President Trump barely got started. Looking forward to the next "mess" in which Hidin' Biden gets massacred again.

This was a pretty neat moment though, huh?

Donald Trump sidesteps call to condemn white supremacists — and the Proud Boys were 'extremely excited' about it

Debate moderator Chris Wallace asked if Donald Trump would urge groups to stand down and avoid contributing to the violence. He sidestepped.

www.usatoday.com

The Proud Boys are not a ws group, nor a hate group. Trump was right to NOT denounce them.


AND might I add, the question is bullshit. ws are a fringe movement with no importance.

Wrong...a POtuS that refused to condemn terrorism is something I thought I would never see. That debate was sad for America.

Walking and defending your self when attacked, is the opposite of terrorism.


It is sad that America needs to be told that.

When a President is asked to condemn violence after an election and he refuses to do so, that is a sad day for America democracy.

Self defense is not something to be condemned, but something to be celebrated.

The attackers, ie antifa, are something to be condemned.

Was Biden asked to condemn them?

Biden made clear he condemned violence across the board. Why didn’t Trump do the same?

I'm sure that's a rhetorical question. You know why.