Oh OH- I guess Palin's Political career isn't OVER after all.

[MaggieMae]

And as for the lack of vetting and substance BS. -- there was two years worth of it from every corner of the globe and birther meatheads could not dig up their proof and all networks of every shape, stance, size, affiliation, and ownership had their chance and Obama sat with all of them. ALL OF THEM. and he got away with hiding what? got away with not saying what? got away with concealing what? He was laid bare like every other candidate who steps into the slaughterhouse of American politics.

so spare me that line of reasoning on how Obama was elected

I am curious...were you around when Gary Hart was running in the presidential primaries?

Back then, it was revealed that he was at a party years earlier on a yacht by the name of "Monkey Business".

The boat was not his, but that of an aquaintance of his.

He was an invitee to the party...not a planner of the party.

Apprently, there were "promiscuous women" on the boat.

An intense media investigation took place regarding the party. It was found he did not know the women nor did he do anything with them...

But...

The media made it clear that anyone that has an aquiantance that knows promiscuous women is not worthy of President and he was forced to bow out. They ran stories on him that had no meat to them...but they pounded the issue. They ran bios on the women...even though they did not know Hart. They ran stories on the aquaintances of the boat owner...

And then Wright and Ayers comes up...and nada. Nothing but what Fox ran....

Obama gave 4 different explanations of Ayers...

1) Dont know him at all
2) know him, but nor personally
3) know him personally, but not friends with him
4) friends with him, but I thought he was reformed

Did the media EVER do an expose on that?

No bias my ass.....

Yes, they did, BIG TIME, to both the Wright and the Ayers claims. This is the problem, Jarhead. You only get your "news" from Fox, I presume. I watch CNN, PBS and MSNBC, and all of them were all over the Reverend Wright issue at the same time Fox was.

As for Ayers, the two had not been in the company of each other for years, did NOT know each other intimately as neighborhood friends, but only as fellows of the same philanthropic organization. I think fumbling for an appropriate response to the Bill Ayers allegations was the result of being fearful that whatever he (Obama) said would be taken out of context (which of course everything IS at least TRIED). He was relatively new to the vicious "reporting" constantly done by Fox. What he should have done regarding the Ayers nonsense was another Philadelphia speech which quelled all the rumors about his relationship with Reverend Wright.

 

[Jarhead]

There is very little factual information to support that as a debatable point, simply because Russia does not release such information, never has and never will. If they had to make such sacrifices, then how were they then able to catch up so quickly to the point the US now relies on Russian partnership in space endeavors? So I would ask which news figures YOU parrot? Olbermann is now gone because of his opinionating. Rachel Maddow, however, has plenty of facts including video that she offers backing up her opinions.

please back off Maggie. You are asking me to defend the obvious and it is a waste of time. The bulk of the cost of space travel was all in the original R and D which was conducted by the USSR and the US back in the late 50's through the 60's. It was quite an expensive endeavor for the USSR at the time....Jeez Maggie.....we have countries that could barely get a kite in the air back in the 60's that are now assisting with the ISS.....

If you want to have an honest debate....lets do it. If you are simply looking to put me on the defense with obvious issues, I am not interested.

Balls in your court.

You're being ridiculous. You can't throw something out that suggests you know for a fact that the Russians went financially belly-up because of their space program without linking that fact. I couldn't find a single one, so I presume you can't either. The Russians went into debt resulting from a lot of their aggressive/defensive programs. At the time, it was pretty much theorized that whomever "conquered" space would rule the world, so that endeavor was right up their ally.

I don't know what you want me to say to you? That I agree with everything you say? Apparently so, since you continue to ask me to stop putting you on the defensive. Okay, I agree with everything you say. If true, I think you'll find that rather boring, however.

Agree?
No.
Discuss honestly?
Tried with you.
Not your style lately Maggie.

 

[MaggieMae]

Biden makes twice the gaffes and is next in line for office in the short term. How is that an intelligent decision on Obama's part? Nice of you to speak for the entire nation MichIndy. Repression of free speech, false crisis and mooing are your only tools it seems.

If Biden makes a gaffe about some historical or known political point, he immediately corrects himself. Sarah doesn't know she's making a gaffe. That's the difference.

 

[saveliberty]

It just gets old to hear on a daily basis, oh, this is the true test of Palin's appeal. This crisis is the defining moment for Palin. Palin is not a serious contender for President. Time after time we get media spin. I know for a fact, whoever becomes the Republican candidate or a Tea Party possibility will have the full vemon from the left they accuse the right of having.

And that is the truth liberty. The two main conductors of the venom will remain the Republican "water carriers" to FOX and the left wing Dem lovers over at MSNBC with CNN continuing to straddle the middle for dear life.

I am just tired of Palin even being considered for any office other than Fish and Wildlife in Nome. And the sad part is i can blame it all on McCain.
If it was not for his Hail Mary attempt to boost his image and give himself a shot against an avalanche of Obama support by putting Palin on the ticket, she would still be fighting lawsuits in Juneau and maybe thinking about running for another term.

She has every right to run. We all have a right to choose. Palin wields some level of influence. Much of it earned SINCE the Presidential election. Liberals gave her as big a platform to speak form as the Tea Party has.

 

[Jarhead]

And as for the lack of vetting and substance BS. -- there was two years worth of it from every corner of the globe and birther meatheads could not dig up their proof and all networks of every shape, stance, size, affiliation, and ownership had their chance and Obama sat with all of them. ALL OF THEM. and he got away with hiding what? got away with not saying what? got away with concealing what? He was laid bare like every other candidate who steps into the slaughterhouse of American politics.

so spare me that line of reasoning on how Obama was elected

I am curious...were you around when Gary Hart was running in the presidential primaries?

Back then, it was revealed that he was at a party years earlier on a yacht by the name of "Monkey Business".

The boat was not his, but that of an aquaintance of his.

He was an invitee to the party...not a planner of the party.

Apprently, there were "promiscuous women" on the boat.

An intense media investigation took place regarding the party. It was found he did not know the women nor did he do anything with them...

But...

The media made it clear that anyone that has an aquiantance that knows promiscuous women is not worthy of President and he was forced to bow out. They ran stories on him that had no meat to them...but they pounded the issue. They ran bios on the women...even though they did not know Hart. They ran stories on the aquaintances of the boat owner...

And then Wright and Ayers comes up...and nada. Nothing but what Fox ran....

Obama gave 4 different explanations of Ayers...

1) Dont know him at all
2) know him, but nor personally
3) know him personally, but not friends with him
4) friends with him, but I thought he was reformed

Did the media EVER do an expose on that?

No bias my ass.....

Yes, they did, BIG TIME, to both the Wright and the Ayers claims. This is the problem, Jarhead. You only get your "news" from Fox, I presume. I watch CNN, PBS and MSNBC, and all of them were all over the Reverend Wright issue at the same time Fox was.

As for Ayers, the two had not been in the company of each other for years, did NOT know each other intimately as neighborhood friends, but only as fellows of the same philanthropic organization. I think fumbling for an appropriate response to the Bill Ayers allegations was the result of being fearful that whatever he (Obama) said would be taken out of context (which of course everything IS at least TRIED). He was relatively new to the vicious "reporting" constantly done by Fox. What he should have done regarding the Ayers nonsense was another Philadelphia speech which quelled all the rumors about his relationship with Reverend Wright.

Please note how you will quickly give Obama a pass for his errors with the media.
But Palin?
She is an idiot for her errors.

THAT is not honest debating.

And yes...I agree....his 4 answers were given out of fear of how the truth would be taken out of context.

But the media refused to attack him for it.

But when Palin stumbles out of fear of how the media will take it out of context? The media AND THE LIKES OF YOU are all over her lack of intelligence, honesty and ethics.

And such partisanship is dishonest.

 

[MaggieMae]

Jarhead -- I also have to wonder how many anti-Obama folks sympathize with him over the enormous personal cost for attorneys fees just to make court appearances for the idiotic and constant claims about his birthright. Do you see him whining because he's being "picked on" by hateful groups? Or does he just ignore them and pay the bills to defend himself, which is what any thinking adult would do.

it is one thing being President and having fringe groups annoying the heck out of you.

It is another being an ex candidate and having the main stream media running exposes on you; the opposite party claiming unfounded and unproved allegations regarding your ethics...

So I gues you would not be a "thinking adult" if you were to complain about someone accusing you of abusing your children with no proof whatsoever...and printing it in your local newspaper and stating it as fact Maggie? Guess you would ignore it Maggie?

Debate honestly with me or dont debate at all with me. I will not play this game with you.

If Sarah was a "thinking adult" she would know that loonies are going to say rotten stuff about her family and just ignore it because other "thinking adults" know bullshit when they see it.

 

[MichIndy]

And as for the lack of vetting and substance BS. -- there was two years worth of it from every corner of the globe and birther meatheads could not dig up their proof and all networks of every shape, stance, size, affiliation, and ownership had their chance and Obama sat with all of them. ALL OF THEM. and he got away with hiding what? got away with not saying what? got away with concealing what? He was laid bare like every other candidate who steps into the slaughterhouse of American politics.

so spare me that line of reasoning on how Obama was elected

So the Bill Ayers association was no big deal with the media, it was down played.
Jeremiah Wright association was down played by the media.
Van Jones association was down played by the media.
His voting present at the state level was down played by the media.

Joe the plumber got more vetting with the media than did Obama....and Palin being the #2 pick got a hell of a lot more vetting than did Obama.
Your a left wing partisan, I get it, but a little honesty goes a long way.

Ayers blew up into a big deal ...... his association w/ Wright was front page for weeks .... Van Jones as well .......... voting record all out there to be seen.

Like i said, just because it was not covered ENOUGH does not mean it was not covered at all or not enough for your liking. That is the honest part of the problem.

Comes across as sour grapes. It was out there and voters took it for whatever they wanted to take it as. None of it was ever sugar-coated and nothing was ever left open-ended. Maybe they thought it was overblown BS, while others had a list of 46 other things that had more of an impact in their view, but it was out there.

There lies the issue -- coverage vs. desired outcome.

 

[MaggieMae]

The lack of vetting and substance from the newspapers and media is what got Obama elected, IMO

Well now that he's been fully vetted by all the media, where are the serious complaints? Other than by FoxCo., that is. Has he made mistakes? Yep. What president hasn't the first year in office? Was he an empty suit going in? Yep. It takes time to learn to navigate the machinations of Washington to make it run. Is Obama an empty suit now? Nope.

Yep....took him two years to find his way.

Worst economy since the great depression....was a great time for us to have a CiC in training.

Now you're really entering deep water, my friend. Are you blaming Obama for the economic crisis? Oh dear.

Sorry, it really isn't worth my time to try to "debate" you anymore. Aren't you glad?

 

[Jarhead]

Biden makes twice the gaffes and is next in line for office in the short term. How is that an intelligent decision on Obama's part? Nice of you to speak for the entire nation MichIndy. Repression of free speech, false crisis and mooing are your only tools it seems.

If Biden makes a gaffe about some historical or known political point, he immediately corrects himself. Sarah doesn't know she's making a gaffe. That's the difference.

Yeah...I know...

Just say it...

Anyone who thinks like you is bright and anyone who thinks differently than you is a fucking idiot.

You are acting like a child Maggie.

Love your "give a pass to the left" and "attack the right"

 

[Jarhead]

Well now that he's been fully vetted by all the media, where are the serious complaints? Other than by FoxCo., that is. Has he made mistakes? Yep. What president hasn't the first year in office? Was he an empty suit going in? Yep. It takes time to learn to navigate the machinations of Washington to make it run. Is Obama an empty suit now? Nope.

Yep....took him two years to find his way.

Worst economy since the great depression....was a great time for us to have a CiC in training.

Now you're really entering deep water, my friend. Are you blaming Obama for the economic crisis? Oh dear.

Sorry, it really isn't worth my time to try to "debate" you anymore. Aren't you glad?

Yeah...thats waht I said Maggie.

You are so out there, you completely took what I said and tweisted it so you can take your high road again.

No maam. I do not blame Obama for the economy. I simply wondered if the timing was right for a CiC in training.

 

[MaggieMae]

It just gets old to hear on a daily basis, oh, this is the true test of Palin's appeal. This crisis is the defining moment for Palin. Palin is not a serious contender for President. Time after time we get media spin. I know for a fact, whoever becomes the Republican candidate or a Tea Party possibility will have the full vemon from the left they accuse the right of having.

Not necessarily. The Republicans just need to put up a credible candidate like Romney or even Pawlenty. They'll take some knocks, for sure, but don't forget that this is a tit-for-tat revengeful population we have now.

Bush41 v. Clinton
Clinton (Gore) v. Bush43
Bush43 v. Obama
OBama v. Whomever

And round and round it goes with revenge politicking. Sad, but true.

 

[Rinata]

LOL..don't forget, the obama QUIT his Junior Senator position and he also lied to the people by saying he would SERVE HIS FULL TERM.

So not only is he a QUITTER he is a LIAR too.

Is there an echo in here?

you are becoming another Rinata.
good job

Why, that's a good thing!! And you are becoming an object of scorn because of all of your stupid, uninformative posts!! Half the board has turned on you. But you continue to insist everybody is out of step but you.

 

[saveliberty]

Romney is a terrible choice.

 

[Meister]

And as for the lack of vetting and substance BS. -- there was two years worth of it from every corner of the globe and birther meatheads could not dig up their proof and all networks of every shape, stance, size, affiliation, and ownership had their chance and Obama sat with all of them. ALL OF THEM. and he got away with hiding what? got away with not saying what? got away with concealing what? He was laid bare like every other candidate who steps into the slaughterhouse of American politics.

so spare me that line of reasoning on how Obama was elected

So the Bill Ayers association was no big deal with the media, it was down played.
Jeremiah Wright association was down played by the media.
Van Jones association was down played by the media.
His voting present at the state level was down played by the media.

Joe the plumber got more vetting with the media than did Obama....and Palin being the #2 pick got a hell of a lot more vetting than did Obama.
Your a left wing partisan, I get it, but a little honesty goes a long way.

Ayers blew up into a big deal ...... his association w/ Wright was front page for weeks .... Van Jones as well .......... voting record all out there to be seen.

Like i said, just because it was not covered ENOUGH does not mean it was not covered at all or not enough for your liking. That is the honest part of the problem.

Comes across as sour grapes. It was out there and voters took it for whatever they wanted to take it as. None of it was ever sugar-coated and nothing was ever left open-ended. Maybe they thought it was overblown BS, while others had a list of 46 other things that had more of an impact in their view, but it was out there.

There lies the issue -- coverage vs. desired outcome.

Again, bullshit....it wasn't out there like you claim. More like buried on the 12th page of liberal newspapers, whereas Palin and McCain was frontpage news. I got the LA Times on a dailey basis....I did see what was going on. Questions weren't asked by the media, and I understand why. It's simple, the media today whether be it right, or left, has an agenda.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Palin's fundraising success suggests that her unorthodox political strategy -- appearances on Fox News, occasional posts on her Facebook page and Twitter accounts -- has cultivated a dedicated network of contributors.

....And, George Bush's "supporters" made him look like a successful-businessman.

HERE

There's no difference, between the two (and, Reagan, for that matter); easily-manipulated figureheads....the pride o' corporate-America.

Separated-at-birth???

 

[MichIndy]

I am curious...were you around when Gary Hart was running in the presidential primaries?

Back then, it was revealed that he was at a party years earlier on a yacht by the name of "Monkey Business".

The boat was not his, but that of an aquaintance of his.

He was an invitee to the party...not a planner of the party.

Apprently, there were "promiscuous women" on the boat.

An intense media investigation took place regarding the party. It was found he did not know the women nor did he do anything with them...

But...

The media made it clear that anyone that has an aquiantance that knows promiscuous women is not worthy of President and he was forced to bow out. They ran stories on him that had no meat to them...but they pounded the issue. They ran bios on the women...even though they did not know Hart. They ran stories on the aquaintances of the boat owner...

And then Wright and Ayers comes up...and nada. Nothing but what Fox ran....

Obama gave 4 different explanations of Ayers...

1) Dont know him at all
2) know him, but nor personally
3) know him personally, but not friends with him
4) friends with him, but I thought he was reformed

Did the media EVER do an expose on that?

No bias my ass.....

Yes, they did, BIG TIME, to both the Wright and the Ayers claims. This is the problem, Jarhead. You only get your "news" from Fox, I presume. I watch CNN, PBS and MSNBC, and all of them were all over the Reverend Wright issue at the same time Fox was.

As for Ayers, the two had not been in the company of each other for years, did NOT know each other intimately as neighborhood friends, but only as fellows of the same philanthropic organization. I think fumbling for an appropriate response to the Bill Ayers allegations was the result of being fearful that whatever he (Obama) said would be taken out of context (which of course everything IS at least TRIED). He was relatively new to the vicious "reporting" constantly done by Fox. What he should have done regarding the Ayers nonsense was another Philadelphia speech which quelled all the rumors about his relationship with Reverend Wright.

Please note how you will quickly give Obama a pass for his errors with the media.
But Palin?
She is an idiot for her errors.

THAT is not honest debating.

And yes...I agree....his 4 answers were given out of fear of how the truth would be taken out of context.

But the media refused to attack him for it.

But when Palin stumbles out of fear of how the media will take it out of context? The media AND THE LIKES OF YOU are all over her lack of intelligence, honesty and ethics.

And such partisanship is dishonest.

Lightweights don't stumble out of fear of perception after the fact. That is childish reasoning for her gaffes and overall lack of depth in the political arena.
Never said a word about her honesty or ethics, just her seat at the table of actual national debate.
Refused to attack him? the Media refused or just not ENOUGH of the media decided to do so? He has been attacked for everything down to his country of birth and those meatheads still hold onto that belief as some do in thinking Elvis is still alive in Kalamazoo.
I am also not saying Palin is the only lightweight stating their views in the media - just the most recognized, the most visibal and thereby the biggest example of absurdity based on her resume.

 

[MaggieMae]

And as for the lack of vetting and substance BS. -- there was two years worth of it from every corner of the globe and birther meatheads could not dig up their proof and all networks of every shape, stance, size, affiliation, and ownership had their chance and Obama sat with all of them. ALL OF THEM. and he got away with hiding what? got away with not saying what? got away with concealing what? He was laid bare like every other candidate who steps into the slaughterhouse of American politics.

so spare me that line of reasoning on how Obama was elected

So the Bill Ayers association was no big deal with the media, it was down played.
As it should have been. There was nothing there.

Jeremiah Wright association was down played by the media.
No, it wasn't. Even I was so upset that I was ready to no longer support Obama as a candidate. And I never watch FoxNews.

Van Jones association was down played by the media.
As it should have been. There was nothing there that could justify losing his JOB as an environmental specialist. The fact that Van Jones was once a strong voice for black justice had zero to do with his job performance.

His voting present at the state level was down played by the media.
As did John McCain many times. That charge was proven to be over-the-top criticism because every lawmaker votes "present" if and when a bill gets changed to the point the original intent gets mangled, but the bill needs to move forward anyway. The "lamestream media" by the way, never went after McCain for all his excessive absences, which they could have.


Joe the plumber got more vetting with the media than did Obama
Because Joe the plumber lied about his background, and for no other reason.

....and Palin being the #2 pick got a hell of a lot more vetting than did Obama.
Because 99.99% of the country had never heard of her. A no-brainer.

Your a left wing partisan, I get it, but a little honesty goes a long way.

He's citing many issues from the left-side of the arguments that haven't been raised in months, years. So? This is a forum to debate the issues, not just sit around high-fiving people.

 

[MichIndy]

So the Bill Ayers association was no big deal with the media, it was down played.
Jeremiah Wright association was down played by the media.
Van Jones association was down played by the media.
His voting present at the state level was down played by the media.

Joe the plumber got more vetting with the media than did Obama....and Palin being the #2 pick got a hell of a lot more vetting than did Obama.
Your a left wing partisan, I get it, but a little honesty goes a long way.

Ayers blew up into a big deal ...... his association w/ Wright was front page for weeks .... Van Jones as well .......... voting record all out there to be seen.

Like i said, just because it was not covered ENOUGH does not mean it was not covered at all or not enough for your liking. That is the honest part of the problem.

Comes across as sour grapes. It was out there and voters took it for whatever they wanted to take it as. None of it was ever sugar-coated and nothing was ever left open-ended. Maybe they thought it was overblown BS, while others had a list of 46 other things that had more of an impact in their view, but it was out there.

There lies the issue -- coverage vs. desired outcome.

Again, bullshit....it wasn't out there like you claim. More like buried on the 12th page of liberal newspapers, whereas Palin and McCain was frontpage news. I got the LA Times on a dailey basis....I did see what was going on. Questions weren't asked by the media, and I understand why. It's simple, the media today whether be it right, or left, has an agenda.

Ok, so your argument is now Bullshit. buried on what other newspapers? You only read the Times, so how do you know about what coverage it got where and for how long and whether it was via op-eds, columns or actual factual stories?
It was covered from the Huntsville Times to

 

[saveliberty]

Lightweights don't stumble out of fear of perception after the fact. That is childish reasoning for her gaffes and overall lack of depth in the political arena.
Never said a word about her honesty or ethics, just her seat at the table of actual national debate.
Refused to attack him? the Media refused or just not ENOUGH of the media decided to do so? He has been attacked for everything down to his country of birth and those meatheads still hold onto that belief as some do in thinking Elvis is still alive in Kalamazoo.
I am also not saying Palin is the only lightweight stating their views in the media - just the most recognized, the most visibal and thereby the biggest example of absurdity based on her resume.

She was not running for President at the time, yet was vetted far more strongly than Obama. Biden wasn't vetted at all, by anyone, including Obama.

 

[MaggieMae]

I am curious...were you around when Gary Hart was running in the presidential primaries?

Back then, it was revealed that he was at a party years earlier on a yacht by the name of "Monkey Business".

The boat was not his, but that of an aquaintance of his.

He was an invitee to the party...not a planner of the party.

Apprently, there were "promiscuous women" on the boat.

An intense media investigation took place regarding the party. It was found he did not know the women nor did he do anything with them...

But...

The media made it clear that anyone that has an aquiantance that knows promiscuous women is not worthy of President and he was forced to bow out. They ran stories on him that had no meat to them...but they pounded the issue. They ran bios on the women...even though they did not know Hart. They ran stories on the aquaintances of the boat owner...

And then Wright and Ayers comes up...and nada. Nothing but what Fox ran....

Obama gave 4 different explanations of Ayers...

1) Dont know him at all
2) know him, but nor personally
3) know him personally, but not friends with him
4) friends with him, but I thought he was reformed

Did the media EVER do an expose on that?

No bias my ass.....

an expose? no. you want it on 20/20 or 60 minutes for it to count? FOX went to town on it and i am sure they were not the only media outlet to do so, but everything was investigated down to papers that Obama wrote while in Chicago. All the pertinent information was out there, it is up to voters to decide what is hype, what is pundentry, what is conjecture and what is real. After that blaming the media for their coverage, or lack thereof, is just the last resort of the frustrated.

Nope.

A candidate gave 4 different answers to one question.

Fox asked Bill Burton for an explanation. He refused to answer.

No ther major media outlet asked Burton or Gibbs for an explnatioon for 4 conflicting answers.

And mind you....

He gave the first answer...
Fox came up with evidence showing he DID know Ayers.
So he came up with answer 2...
Fox came up wioth evidence answer 2 was not true
So he gave answer 3
Fox came up with evidence that contradicted answer 3
So he came up woith answer 4.

So here are questions to you...and I know what your answer will be...

Why were you not curious about why he had 4 different conflcting asnwers to one simple question? Why did you not care that a candidate was caught lying THREE times about one topic? Why did you not care that the media did not feel it was important for you to know about this?

So all told, how much damage has any perceived influence by Bill Ayers over Obama actually had? None. And that's why it was a red herring.