Ohio Joins The Attempt To Shit on The Constitution and Eliminate The Electoral College

[Ray From Cleveland]

This is not an amendment.

It is illegal legislation designed to steal EC votes and throw them to a candidate that did not win that state!

Ohioans might vote to ditch Electoral College. Who's behind the effort? That's a mystery

DemNazis...

If you cannot win fair, you need to change The Rules so you can cheat!

We are in a Civil War.

And The Dems are Invading this country from The Southern Border and attacking our Constitution in our courts and legislatures.

Calm down Skippy.

The constitution was written to be amended from time to time.

Only in America can the candidate who wins fewer votes can get elected.

Doesn't that seem like a bad way to run a democratic republic?

How so? The EC gives smaller states a seat at the table. Popular vote would eliminate any input they have in our presidential election. Or think of it this way: New York city has over 8 million people. That's more people in one city than the nine less populated states in our country. How would it be fair that only one city has more power of a presidential election than nine states?

If the intent of our founders was a Democrat system, they would have created one. Instead, they created a representative Republic.

 

[Marion Morrison]

If people don’t stand up against it and inform others about it, you just can’t take things for granted anymore.

Look how Obama weaponized The FBI, DOJ, FISA, CIA, NSA against a Duky Elected President with a Fake Russia Collusion Hoax That held our Government hostage for three years!

Speak out or you will lose your voice!

That’s the whole point is to nullify Flyover and Rural states votes and to let California & New York be Dictators over The Whole County!

In that state? Or the winner of the nationwide popular vote, which would be impossible to tally without that state's vote so that's a non-starter.

That'd be the quickest way to get your state's vote annulled I ever heard of.

Derp!

Relax, it's not going to go anywhere. If the states that pass it implement it, they forfeit their votes. It may even get passed in a couple states, and the constituents are gonna be pissed at the legislators that passed it for getting their votes nullified with a stunt like that.

It won't get past the Supreme Court. What this proposal would do is nullify the electoral vote and put in place the popular vote, but just not calling it the popular vote.

Well first off, they are going to need enough signatures to even get it on the ballot. That's a hurdle in itself. Next they would have to use propaganda to make it sound like what it's not. That too would be difficult as Fox and other national talk show hosts would point out the lies in their language; not to mention local talk show hosts like Bob Frantz here in Cleveland.

You are correct that we just can't sit back and expect things to go our way. Sitting back and making assumptions is how New York ended up with a dingbat congress lady who wiped tables for a living.

Yeah OT is right to be upset. This is an outright attack on one of very things that make America what it is. Putting a bill forward like that is treason.

 

[ThisIsMe]

The electoral college was born of slave owners to protect slavery from the abolitionist north. It's origins are tainted and it's original purpose no longer exists. People like to explain that it protects rural voters from irrelevance but what it really does is make minority party votes worthless. If you vote democrat in a red state or republican in a blue state your vote has probably never counted. I want my vote to count.

That is absolutely NOT TRUE. You have no understanding of this republic

The last sentence from him is correct.

In the state i live in, 2.1 million people vote for Trump and 209,000 voted for Johnson. Both voters had the same impact on the election, both groups of voters accounted for the exact same number of electrical votes...zero

In Texas 3.8 million people voted for Hillary and 283,000 voted for Johnson. Both voters had the same impact on the election, both groups of voters accounted for the exact same number of electrical votes...zero

This is an inherent weakness with the EC but more with the winner take all system that we have.

But the proposed national vote plan is also a winner take all system, just on a national scale.

 

[Votto]

Fuck democracy

Which is why the Founding Fathers chose a Republic instead.

Apparently these fools want California and New York to decide every Presidential election, then the Federal government will become like Chicago.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You don't have the foggiest idea what's in the Constitution and what isn't, Dumfuck. ANY state ANYWHERE can choose its Electors any way it likes. It can set up a Ouija board. It can throw darts at names. It can read tea leaves. ALL Constitutional, and there's nothing you can do about it.

Correct, they can, but not forced to by law. In this case, what's being proposed is that it doesn't matter what the electors say or think. They must give all EC votes to whoever wins the national popular vote.

 

[caddo kid]

Ohioans might vote to ditch Electoral College. Who's behind the effort? That's a mystery

DemNazis...

If you cannot win fair, you need to change The Rules so you can cheat!

We are in a Civil War.

And The Dems are Invading this country from The Southern Border and attacking our Constitution in our courts and legislatures.

hey fuck face; Ohio is a RED STATE so, why in Hell are U bitching?

Oh, that's right; U have to bitch about everything that does not align with your right wing Nazi Trump agenda.

Besides your three year old bullshit tirade, these guys are attempting to make change via a Constitutional Amendment.

So, now we all know you fucking hate the fucking Constitution.

Congrats, dumb ass.

Cheers

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Ohioans might vote to ditch Electoral College. Who's behind the effort? That's a mystery

DemNazis...

If you cannot win fair, you need to change The Rules so you can cheat!

We are in a Civil War.

And The Dems are Invading this country from The Southern Border and attacking our Constitution in our courts and legislatures.

hey fuck face; Ohio is a RED STATE so, why in Hell are U bitching?

Oh, that's right; U have to bitch about everything that does not align with your right wing Nazi Trump agenda.

Cheers

Sorry uninformed voter, Ohio is not a red state. We voted for DumBama twice. We are a swing state.

 

[Votto]

Ohioans might vote to ditch Electoral College. Who's behind the effort? That's a mystery

DemNazis...

If you cannot win fair, you need to change The Rules so you can cheat!

We are in a Civil War.

And The Dems are Invading this country from The Southern Border and attacking our Constitution in our courts and legislatures.

hey fuck face; Ohio is a RED STATE so, why in Hell are U bitching?

Oh, that's right; U have to bitch about everything that does not align with your right wing Nazi Trump agenda.

Cheers

You know, I'm tired of democrats using profanity and calling us Nazis.

No human decency and no intelligence as you ignore the fact that Hitler was himself a socialist.

In fact, you are so obsessed with race it would make Hitler blush.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If people don’t stand up against it and inform others about it, you just can’t take things for granted anymore.

Look how Obama weaponized The FBI, DOJ, FISA, CIA, NSA against a Duky Elected President with a Fake Russia Collusion Hoax That held our Government hostage for three years!

Speak out or you will lose your voice!

That’s the whole point is to nullify Flyover and Rural states votes and to let California & New York be Dictators over The Whole County!

Relax, it's not going to go anywhere. If the states that pass it implement it, they forfeit their votes. It may even get passed in a couple states, and the constituents are gonna be pissed at the legislators that passed it for getting their votes nullified with a stunt like that.

It won't get past the Supreme Court. What this proposal would do is nullify the electoral vote and put in place the popular vote, but just not calling it the popular vote.

Well first off, they are going to need enough signatures to even get it on the ballot. That's a hurdle in itself. Next they would have to use propaganda to make it sound like what it's not. That too would be difficult as Fox and other national talk show hosts would point out the lies in their language; not to mention local talk show hosts like Bob Frantz here in Cleveland.

You are correct that we just can't sit back and expect things to go our way. Sitting back and making assumptions is how New York ended up with a dingbat congress lady who wiped tables for a living.

Yeah OT is right to be upset. This is an outright attack on one of very things that make America what it is. Putting a bill forward like that is treason.

Correct. Look......we all know Democrats are scum; always were and always will be. The only way they can win elections on a consistent basis is to find ways to cheat elections.

It's the reason they are ushering in all these foreigners. They want to wipe out the white majority vote so they can eventually turn this country into a single-party government. This is just one more attempt that will fail.

 

[BluesLegend]

Ohioans might vote to ditch Electoral College. Who's behind the effort? That's a mystery

DemNazis...

If you cannot win fair, you need to change The Rules so you can cheat!

We are in a Civil War.

And The Dems are Invading this country from The Southern Border and attacking our Constitution in our courts and legislatures.

I TOLD YOU Dems would try to RIG the elections. They can't win a straight up fight on the issues so RIG it, cheat, its what they do.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

This is a nationwide organized attempt at cheating in presidential elections cooked up by Democrats.

The spotlight needs to be on this a lot more than it is. They'll name the bills something incredibly opposite to fool people. "The Restore Democracy Act" or something.

Let's see the republicans give up their shameless gerrymandering and voter suppression and then they can complain about cheating.

Both parties redistrict when possible, and nobody is oppressing any voter. You've been brainwashed to believe that BS by CNN and other Nazi outlets.

 

[caddo kid]

Ohioans might vote to ditch Electoral College. Who's behind the effort? That's a mystery

DemNazis...

If you cannot win fair, you need to change The Rules so you can cheat!

We are in a Civil War.

And The Dems are Invading this country from The Southern Border and attacking our Constitution in our courts and legislatures.

hey fuck face; Ohio is a RED STATE so, why in Hell are U bitching?

Oh, that's right; U have to bitch about everything that does not align with your right wing Nazi Trump agenda.

Cheers

You know, I'm tired of democrats using profanity and calling us Nazis.

No human decency and no intelligence as you ignore the fact that Hitler was himself a socialist.

In fact, you are so obsessed with race it would make Hitler blush.

who in Hell cares what your opinion may be? Not me ..........

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It gives electoral votes to the winner of the popular vote, how is this unfair? Unfair is my presidential vote has only counted one time in my life.

It's unfair because if we use our popular vote to give our electoral votes to a candidate which what has always been done in this country, the national popular vote wipes out all our votes. If we voted for Trump by a popular vote, and ultimately give Trump our EC votes, then the national vote (which went to Hillary) would eradicate our EC and popular votes of our state.

In other words we overwhelmingly voted for Trump and he got our EC votes. If this proposal had any chance in hell of becoming policy, then we in Ohio voted for Trump, but our votes would go to Hillary anyway.

 

[bodecea]

Ohioans might vote to ditch Electoral College. Who's behind the effort? That's a mystery

DemNazis...

If you cannot win fair, you need to change The Rules so you can cheat!

We are in a Civil War.

And The Dems are Invading this country from The Southern Border and attacking our Constitution in our courts and legislatures.

How are they shitting on the Electoral College?

 

[Lesh]

This is not an amendment.

It is illegal legislation designed to steal EC votes and throw them to a candidate that did not win that state!

Ohioans might vote to ditch Electoral College. Who's behind the effort? That's a mystery

DemNazis...

If you cannot win fair, you need to change The Rules so you can cheat!

We are in a Civil War.

And The Dems are Invading this country from The Southern Border and attacking our Constitution in our courts and legislatures.

Calm down Skippy.

The constitution was written to be amended from time to time.

Only in America can the candidate who wins fewer votes can get elected.

Doesn't that seem like a bad way to run a democratic republic?

How so? The EC gives smaller states a seat at the table. Popular vote would eliminate any input they have in our presidential election. Or think of it this way: New York city has over 8 million people. That's more people in one city than the nine less populated states in our country. How would it be fair that only one city has more power of a presidential election than nine states?

If the intent of our founders was a Democrat system, they would have created one. Instead, they created a representative Republic.

The EC gives small states a HUGE advantage. It's essentially a tyranny of the minority, especially when you throw in the fact that states with 450,000 people have 2 Senators and states with 25 million have 2 Senators. Throw in a healthy hunk of gerrymandering and Republicans have one party rule while having millions fewer voters

 

[caddo kid]

It gives electoral votes to the winner of the popular vote, how is this unfair? Unfair is my presidential vote has only counted one time in my life.

It's unfair because if we use our popular vote to give our electoral votes to a candidate which what has always been done in this country, the national popular vote wipes out all our votes. If we voted for Trump by a popular vote, and ultimately give Trump our EC votes, then the national vote (which went to Hillary) would eradicate our EC and popular votes of our state.

In other words we overwhelmingly voted for Trump and he got our EC votes. If this proposal had any chance in hell of becoming policy, then we in Ohio voted for Trump, but our votes would go to Hillary anyway.

So, what you are saying is that you & other Trump voters are actually snowflakes. haha

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

This is not an amendment.

It is illegal legislation designed to steal EC votes and throw them to a candidate that did not win that state!

Ohioans might vote to ditch Electoral College. Who's behind the effort? That's a mystery

DemNazis...

If you cannot win fair, you need to change The Rules so you can cheat!

We are in a Civil War.

And The Dems are Invading this country from The Southern Border and attacking our Constitution in our courts and legislatures.

Calm down Skippy.

The constitution was written to be amended from time to time.

Only in America can the candidate who wins fewer votes can get elected.

Doesn't that seem like a bad way to run a democratic republic?

How so? The EC gives smaller states a seat at the table. Popular vote would eliminate any input they have in our presidential election. Or think of it this way: New York city has over 8 million people. That's more people in one city than the nine less populated states in our country. How would it be fair that only one city has more power of a presidential election than nine states?

If the intent of our founders was a Democrat system, they would have created one. Instead, they created a representative Republic.

The EC gives small states a HUGE advantage. It's essentially a tyranny of the minority, especially when you throw in the fact that states with 450,000 people have 2 Senators and states with 25 million have 2 Senators. Throw in a healthy hunk of gerrymandering and Republicans have one party rule while having millions fewer voters

Oh really? How long have Republicans had this one-party rule?

Would you like me to show you how the lowest 12 populated states still have less electoral votes than the top populated state? So if 12 states have less electoral votes than one state, how is that having more power?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It gives electoral votes to the winner of the popular vote, how is this unfair? Unfair is my presidential vote has only counted one time in my life.

It's unfair because if we use our popular vote to give our electoral votes to a candidate which what has always been done in this country, the national popular vote wipes out all our votes. If we voted for Trump by a popular vote, and ultimately give Trump our EC votes, then the national vote (which went to Hillary) would eradicate our EC and popular votes of our state.

In other words we overwhelmingly voted for Trump and he got our EC votes. If this proposal had any chance in hell of becoming policy, then we in Ohio voted for Trump, but our votes would go to Hillary anyway.

So, what you are saying is that you & other Trump voters are actually snowflakes. haha

Objecting to un-Americans trying to cheat us out of our vote is being a snowflake?

 

[caddo kid]

It gives electoral votes to the winner of the popular vote, how is this unfair? Unfair is my presidential vote has only counted one time in my life.

It's unfair because if we use our popular vote to give our electoral votes to a candidate which what has always been done in this country, the national popular vote wipes out all our votes. If we voted for Trump by a popular vote, and ultimately give Trump our EC votes, then the national vote (which went to Hillary) would eradicate our EC and popular votes of our state.

In other words we overwhelmingly voted for Trump and he got our EC votes. If this proposal had any chance in hell of becoming policy, then we in Ohio voted for Trump, but our votes would go to Hillary anyway.

So, what you are saying is that you & other Trump voters are actually snowflakes. haha

Objecting to un-Americans trying to cheat us out of our vote is being a snowflake?

look jack ass, in every election except for the POTUS election a vote counts for a vote; NOT a fucking representation of a goddamn vote.
If you & all of your 100 plus year old clan of jack asses wanna be living in antiquity, then you go girl but the times they are a changin' & for the better, via a Constitutional mechanism.

bla ......

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Democrats hate America, Chapter 6,809