Oklahoma Senator Introduces Bill to Criminalize Abortion as First-Degree Murder

Are you complaining about abortions because they disturb unborn children?

If by disturbed you mean intentionally killed, poisoned and or dismembered?

Yeah. . .

Pretty much.
disturb

a: to interfere with : interrupt<disturbing the flow of traffic>b : to alter the position or arrangement of <the items on her desk had been disturbedc : to upset the natural and especially the ecological balance or relations of <wetlandsdisturbed by development>


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Fortunately, we live in a country where disturbing unborn children is left to the discretion of the woman carrying the unborn child.
 
Are you complaining about abortions because they disturb unborn children?

If by disturbed you mean intentionally killed, poisoned and or dismembered?

Yeah. . .

Pretty much.
disturb

a: to interfere with : interrupt<disturbing the flow of traffic>b : to alter the position or arrangement of <the items on her desk had been disturbedc : to upset the natural and especially the ecological balance or relations of <wetlandsdisturbed by development>


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Fortunately, we live in a country where disturbing unborn children is left to the discretion of the woman carrying the unborn child.

You seem unaware of women who have been charged with passing along drug addictions and such to their own prenatal child.
 
Are you complaining about abortions because they disturb unborn children?

If by disturbed you mean intentionally killed, poisoned and or dismembered?

Yeah. . .

Pretty much.
disturb

a: to interfere with : interrupt<disturbing the flow of traffic>b : to alter the position or arrangement of <the items on her desk had been disturbedc : to upset the natural and especially the ecological balance or relations of <wetlandsdisturbed by development>


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Fortunately, we live in a country where disturbing unborn children is left to the discretion of the woman carrying the unborn child.

You seem unaware of women who have been charged with passing along drug addictions and such to their own prenatal child.
So? That's no different than feeding a new born drugs. It certainly has nothing to do with the Constitutional right for woman to lawfully terminate their pregnancy.
 
Are you complaining about abortions because they disturb unborn children?

If by disturbed you mean intentionally killed, poisoned and or dismembered?

Yeah. . .

Pretty much.
disturb

a: to interfere with : interrupt<disturbing the flow of traffic>b : to alter the position or arrangement of <the items on her desk had been disturbedc : to upset the natural and especially the ecological balance or relations of <wetlandsdisturbed by development>


____________________________________

Fortunately, we live in a country where disturbing unborn children is left to the discretion of the woman carrying the unborn child.

You seem unaware of women who have been charged with passing along drug addictions and such to their own prenatal child.
So? That's no different than feeding a new born drugs. It certainly has nothing to do with the Constitutional right for woman to lawfully terminate their pregnancy.

In
Your
Opinion.
 
Are you complaining about abortions because they disturb unborn children?

If by disturbed you mean intentionally killed, poisoned and or dismembered?

Yeah. . .

Pretty much.
disturb

a: to interfere with : interrupt<disturbing the flow of traffic>b : to alter the position or arrangement of <the items on her desk had been disturbedc : to upset the natural and especially the ecological balance or relations of <wetlandsdisturbed by development>


____________________________________

Fortunately, we live in a country where disturbing unborn children is left to the discretion of the woman carrying the unborn child.

You seem unaware of women who have been charged with passing along drug addictions and such to their own prenatal child.
So? That's no different than feeding a new born drugs. It certainly has nothing to do with the Constitutional right for woman to lawfully terminate their pregnancy.

In
Your
Opinion.
It's not my opinion that no state has any such fetal law assault law which challenges a woman's right to legally terminate her pregnancy.
 
If by disturbed you mean intentionally killed, poisoned and or dismembered?

Yeah. . .

Pretty much.
disturb

a: to interfere with : interrupt<disturbing the flow of traffic>b : to alter the position or arrangement of <the items on her desk had been disturbedc : to upset the natural and especially the ecological balance or relations of <wetlandsdisturbed by development>


____________________________________

Fortunately, we live in a country where disturbing unborn children is left to the discretion of the woman carrying the unborn child.

You seem unaware of women who have been charged with passing along drug addictions and such to their own prenatal child.
So? That's no different than feeding a new born drugs. It certainly has nothing to do with the Constitutional right for woman to lawfully terminate their pregnancy.

In
Your
Opinion.
It's not my opinion that no state has any such fetal law assault law which challenges a woman's right to legally terminate her pregnancy.

Nor is it opinion that the federal 'fetal protection laws' don't apply to abortion. None of it. Not its definitions, not its restrictions, its penalties, anything.
 
disturb

a: to interfere with : interrupt<disturbing the flow of traffic>b : to alter the position or arrangement of <the items on her desk had been disturbedc : to upset the natural and especially the ecological balance or relations of <wetlandsdisturbed by development>


____________________________________

Fortunately, we live in a country where disturbing unborn children is left to the discretion of the woman carrying the unborn child.

You seem unaware of women who have been charged with passing along drug addictions and such to their own prenatal child.
So? That's no different than feeding a new born drugs. It certainly has nothing to do with the Constitutional right for woman to lawfully terminate their pregnancy.

In
Your
Opinion.
It's not my opinion that no state has any such fetal law assault law which challenges a woman's right to legally terminate her pregnancy.

Nor is it opinion that the federal 'fetal protection laws' don't apply to abortion. None of it. Not its definitions, not its restrictions, its penalties, anything.

Are you guys idiots or what?

How many times does the point have to be made that just because our fetal homicide laws Do (for now) make exceptions to keep abortions legal. . . That doesn't mean that they SHOULD make exceptions to keep abortions legal.

Logic is definitely not your strongest suit. Is it.
 
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You seem unaware of women who have been charged with passing along drug addictions and such to their own prenatal child.
So? That's no different than feeding a new born drugs. It certainly has nothing to do with the Constitutional right for woman to lawfully terminate their pregnancy.

In
Your
Opinion.
It's not my opinion that no state has any such fetal law assault law which challenges a woman's right to legally terminate her pregnancy.

Nor is it opinion that the federal 'fetal protection laws' don't apply to abortion. None of it. Not its definitions, not its restrictions, its penalties, anything.

Are you guys idiots or what?

How many times does the point have to be made that just because our fetal homicide laws Do (for now) make exceptions to keep abortions legal. . . That doesn't mean that they SHOULD make exceptions to keep abortions legal.

Logic is definitely not your strongest suit. Is it.

Simple: because you're citing these laws as the basis of your argument supporting the criminalization of abortion. And these laws exclude abortion explicitly and completely.

You literally have to cite and ignore the very same law on the same topic.

That's not a legal argument. Which might explain the perfect record of failure of your ilk in court on this issue.
 
So? That's no different than feeding a new born drugs. It certainly has nothing to do with the Constitutional right for woman to lawfully terminate their pregnancy.

In
Your
Opinion.
It's not my opinion that no state has any such fetal law assault law which challenges a woman's right to legally terminate her pregnancy.

Nor is it opinion that the federal 'fetal protection laws' don't apply to abortion. None of it. Not its definitions, not its restrictions, its penalties, anything.

Are you guys idiots or what?

How many times does the point have to be made that just because our fetal homicide laws Do (for now) make exceptions to keep abortions legal. . . That doesn't mean that they SHOULD make exceptions to keep abortions legal.

Logic is definitely not your strongest suit. Is it.

Simple: because you're citing these laws as the basis of your argument supporting the criminalization of abortion. And these laws exclude abortion explicitly and completely.

You literally have to cite and ignore the very same law on the same topic.

That's not a legal argument. Which might explain the perfect record of failure of your ilk in court on this issue.


Yeah, thanks for the affirmation of my earlier conclusion.
 
In
Your
Opinion.
It's not my opinion that no state has any such fetal law assault law which challenges a woman's right to legally terminate her pregnancy.

Nor is it opinion that the federal 'fetal protection laws' don't apply to abortion. None of it. Not its definitions, not its restrictions, its penalties, anything.

Are you guys idiots or what?

How many times does the point have to be made that just because our fetal homicide laws Do (for now) make exceptions to keep abortions legal. . . That doesn't mean that they SHOULD make exceptions to keep abortions legal.

Logic is definitely not your strongest suit. Is it.

Simple: because you're citing these laws as the basis of your argument supporting the criminalization of abortion. And these laws exclude abortion explicitly and completely.

You literally have to cite and ignore the very same law on the same topic.

That's not a legal argument. Which might explain the perfect record of failure of your ilk in court on this issue.


Yeah, thanks for the affirmation of my earlier conclusion.

Sticks and stones, my friend.

Name calling doesn't remedy the ludicrous contradictions of your 'legal argument'. Or make your record of failure in court any less perfect.

Your argument, as always, relies on an ignorant audience. Which judges generally aren't.
 
It's not my opinion that no state has any such fetal law assault law which challenges a woman's right to legally terminate her pregnancy.

Nor is it opinion that the federal 'fetal protection laws' don't apply to abortion. None of it. Not its definitions, not its restrictions, its penalties, anything.

Are you guys idiots or what?

How many times does the point have to be made that just because our fetal homicide laws Do (for now) make exceptions to keep abortions legal. . . That doesn't mean that they SHOULD make exceptions to keep abortions legal.

Logic is definitely not your strongest suit. Is it.

Simple: because you're citing these laws as the basis of your argument supporting the criminalization of abortion. And these laws exclude abortion explicitly and completely.

You literally have to cite and ignore the very same law on the same topic.

That's not a legal argument. Which might explain the perfect record of failure of your ilk in court on this issue.


Yeah, thanks for the affirmation of my earlier conclusion.

Sticks and stones, my friend.

Name calling doesn't remedy the ludicrous contradictions of your 'legal argument'. Or make your record of failure in court any less perfect.

Your argument, as always, relies on an ignorant audience. Which judges generally aren't.

Your lack of reading comprehension and your inability to show any consideration for anything that challenges your views is a boring waste of my time.

For that reason, I'm adding you to my ignore list.

Thankfully there are several here who do show the consideration and insight to these issues that you don't.

Hopefully I can have some more interactions with them.
 
Nor is it opinion that the federal 'fetal protection laws' don't apply to abortion. None of it. Not its definitions, not its restrictions, its penalties, anything.

Are you guys idiots or what?

How many times does the point have to be made that just because our fetal homicide laws Do (for now) make exceptions to keep abortions legal. . . That doesn't mean that they SHOULD make exceptions to keep abortions legal.

Logic is definitely not your strongest suit. Is it.

Simple: because you're citing these laws as the basis of your argument supporting the criminalization of abortion. And these laws exclude abortion explicitly and completely.

You literally have to cite and ignore the very same law on the same topic.

That's not a legal argument. Which might explain the perfect record of failure of your ilk in court on this issue.


Yeah, thanks for the affirmation of my earlier conclusion.

Sticks and stones, my friend.

Name calling doesn't remedy the ludicrous contradictions of your 'legal argument'. Or make your record of failure in court any less perfect.

Your argument, as always, relies on an ignorant audience. Which judges generally aren't.

Your lack of reading comprehension and your inability to show any consideration for anything that challenges your views is a boring waste of my time.

For that reason, I'm adding you to my ignore list.

Thankfully there are several here who do show the consideration and insight to these issues that you don't.

Hopefully I can have some more interactions with them.

It doesn't matter if you ignore me or ignore the law. Your problem is convincing JUDGES to ignore what you do.

And as your perfect record of failure in court demonstrates, you can't.

Ignore as you will. It doesn't matter.
 
You seem unaware of women who have been charged with passing along drug addictions and such to their own prenatal child.
So? That's no different than feeding a new born drugs. It certainly has nothing to do with the Constitutional right for woman to lawfully terminate their pregnancy.

In
Your
Opinion.
It's not my opinion that no state has any such fetal law assault law which challenges a woman's right to legally terminate her pregnancy.

Nor is it opinion that the federal 'fetal protection laws' don't apply to abortion. None of it. Not its definitions, not its restrictions, its penalties, anything.

Are you guys idiots or what?

How many times does the point have to be made that just because our fetal homicide laws Do (for now) make exceptions to keep abortions legal. . . That doesn't mean that they SHOULD make exceptions to keep abortions legal.

Logic is definitely not your strongest suit. Is it.
Of course that's exactly what it means. Women in this country have the Constitutional right to terminate their own pregnancy. Fetal protection laws are careful not to encroach on that right.
 
Nor is it opinion that the federal 'fetal protection laws' don't apply to abortion. None of it. Not its definitions, not its restrictions, its penalties, anything.

Are you guys idiots or what?

How many times does the point have to be made that just because our fetal homicide laws Do (for now) make exceptions to keep abortions legal. . . That doesn't mean that they SHOULD make exceptions to keep abortions legal.

Logic is definitely not your strongest suit. Is it.

Simple: because you're citing these laws as the basis of your argument supporting the criminalization of abortion. And these laws exclude abortion explicitly and completely.

You literally have to cite and ignore the very same law on the same topic.

That's not a legal argument. Which might explain the perfect record of failure of your ilk in court on this issue.


Yeah, thanks for the affirmation of my earlier conclusion.

Sticks and stones, my friend.

Name calling doesn't remedy the ludicrous contradictions of your 'legal argument'. Or make your record of failure in court any less perfect.

Your argument, as always, relies on an ignorant audience. Which judges generally aren't.

Your lack of reading comprehension and your inability to show any consideration for anything that challenges your views is a boring waste of my time.

For that reason, I'm adding you to my ignore list.

Thankfully there are several here who do show the consideration and insight to these issues that you don't.

Hopefully I can have some more interactions with them.
Dayam, Skylar smoked you. :ack-1:
 
Then you support some freeloading mother telling you to butt out then making you look like a dumbass by having you pay for a choice she said was none of your business. I choose not to be an idiot. You do.
I choose to not let kids starve, regardless of their parents' decisions. If left to you, there would be homeless kids starving on the streets.

I choose not to be an idiot and let someone tell me what they do is their business then support the choices they made. Apparently you do.

If they are, it's your fault. You think it's OK for someone to tell you to butt out then you're willing to pay for a choice you were told is none of your business. If you think that's OK, prove it by finding all those in that situation and paying them with YOUR money. I don't think it's OK. I, unlike you, am not stupid.
More evidence that if left up to you and your ilk, kids would be starving in the street, wasn't really necessary. But thanks anyway.

Take responsibility for your decisions in life. It's not everyone else's fault. Think very deeply and intelligently before shitting out 5-6 kids. And don't demand Taxpayers pay for you killing your babies. Most Americans don't wanna be forced to pay for dumb sluts being dumb sluts. Being a dumb slut is a choice. But I'll mind my own business if you allow me to.
Not everyone is responsible and we don't let children starve just because they may have irresponsible parents.

Conservatives sure are heartless, I'll grant you that.

That doesn't, by default, mean the rest of us are required to be responsible on their behalf.

Funny that you define heartless as me expecting someone else to do what I already do. The heartless ones are the parents who don't do their job and think others should do it for them. They won't even take care of their own kids.
 
So? That's no different than feeding a new born drugs. It certainly has nothing to do with the Constitutional right for woman to lawfully terminate their pregnancy.

In
Your
Opinion.
It's not my opinion that no state has any such fetal law assault law which challenges a woman's right to legally terminate her pregnancy.

Nor is it opinion that the federal 'fetal protection laws' don't apply to abortion. None of it. Not its definitions, not its restrictions, its penalties, anything.

Are you guys idiots or what?

How many times does the point have to be made that just because our fetal homicide laws Do (for now) make exceptions to keep abortions legal. . . That doesn't mean that they SHOULD make exceptions to keep abortions legal.

Logic is definitely not your strongest suit. Is it.
Of course that's exactly what it means. Women in this country have the Constitutional right to terminate their own pregnancy. Fetal protection laws are careful not to encroach on that right.

I wish those that chose to have them would take the responsibility of caring for their kids to the same level they took the choice.
 
Then you support some freeloading mother telling you to butt out then making you look like a dumbass by having you pay for a choice she said was none of your business. I choose not to be an idiot. You do.
I choose to not let kids starve, regardless of their parents' decisions. If left to you, there would be homeless kids starving on the streets.

I didn't say that. I said i have the right to speak up. The moment you demand i pay for your children and you killing your babies, your life became my business. You forced it on me. Therefore i do have a say. I won't mind my business.

I will tell you to make better decisions and keep your damn legs closed. And i will push for more requirements of you for you receiving Tax Dollars. It's not a free-for-all. I will demand such things as Community Service and so on. You don't like that, too bad. Don't take the money. I'm not just gonna shut up and pay up. I'll be in your business. Deal with it.
Like I said, you have the right to speak up.

No one has to listen to you.

But rant away anyway, if it makes ya feel better.

Oh they'll listen. Because now we're in their business. It's what they demanded. We'll work tirelessly to add restrictions and requirements for their Entitlement mooching. It won't be a free-for-all anymore.
They're not gonna listen to you. How fucking retarded are you? They don't give two shits about you. So rant away, you'll feel better.

You're the one that thinks you should still pay for the results of a choice someone told you to fuck off when they were making it. That's retarded.
 
If you damand others pay for your decisions, then yes, those others do have the right to scream 'Baby Killers, Baby Killers', and demand women 'keep their legs closed.' This ain't no free-for-all. You force your life on others, they do have the right to speak up.
You can speak up all ya want. Tax dollars are still going to feed kids. We don't let kids starve in America.

Then you support some freeloading mother telling you to butt out then making you look like a dumbass by having you pay for a choice she said was none of your business. I choose not to be an idiot. You do.
I choose to not let kids starve, regardless of their parents' decisions. If left to you, there would be homeless kids starving on the streets.

I choose not to be an idiot and let someone tell me what they do is their business then support the choices they made. Apparently you do.

If they are, it's your fault. You think it's OK for someone to tell you to butt out then you're willing to pay for a choice you were told is none of your business. If you think that's OK, prove it by finding all those in that situation and paying them with YOUR money. I don't think it's OK. I, unlike you, am not stupid.
More evidence that if left up to you and your ilk, kids would be starving in the street, wasn't really necessary. But thanks anyway.

More evidence you're a dumbass by being willing to pay for something you were told was none of your business when the choice that produced it was being made.

The government doesn't have to be involved in the process at all for you to have done what you say should be done. If you know of a situation where some woman made a choice to have kids she can't support, buy her food with your money. That way we both get what we want. You see a need being met and I'm not expected to be a part of a choice I was told to butt out of initially.
 

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