Zone1 Only SIX PERCENT of Black slaves were sent to America. The rest went to S American sugar plantations.

[Ms. Turquoise]

"Forced slave breeding." So black men were "forced" to have sex? Ah....you really believe that? Did their women rape them, or did the slave owners somehow brainwash the men to have sex against their will? Please do tell, I think your explanation should be fascinating.

There were special farms that were created to be slave breeding businesses. Hadn't you ever heard of them?
Sometimes the enslaved people were forced to have sex with each other. Other times the slavemasters had sex with the enslaved females.
Slave breeding was very cruel and ugly wasn't it?

 

[MarathonMike]

Why did the 13 colonies import ANY slaves? 6% was too many as far as I'm concerned. Why didn't the European colonists do their own work?

It's easy to look back into history and point the finger at what people did in those days. The world was a very different place and slavery was a global norm for many centuries. It is not reasonable IMO to judge them based on today's morals and laws.

But the point of this thread is to show the obvious distortion of historical facts in order to make America the slavery "bad guy".

 

[Coyote]

Here is the REAL TRUTH about the Black slave trade from the 1500s to the 1800s. Only SIX PERCENT of the slaves were shipped to America. The other 94 PERCENT of the slaves were sent to work the sugar plantations in South America and anywhere sugar cane was abundant. That was because Europe, especially England, developed a great demand for sugar. Africans were forced to work under conditions that made American slavery a vacation by contrast. But for some reason all we hear about is the SIX PERCENT of the slaves working in America. Now why would historians suppress these facts? Hmmmmmm

The South American slave trade

Kate Ayling writes a potted history of the South American slave trade, often overlooked in favour of the more prominent trade in North America.

manchesterhistorian.com

Repress or irrelevant to our history?

 

[Coyote]

"Forced slave breeding." So black men were "forced" to have sex? Ah....you really believe that? Did their women rape them, or did the slave owners somehow brainwash the men to have sex against their will? Please do tell, I think your explanation should be fascinating.

Many owners considered it their prerogative to rape enslaved women. Of course any offspring were born into slavery. And , ya it was forced breeding of a sort. Not like they could out on a date night and find a partner.

Breeding human beings, splitting families and selling children really aren’t so funny. They are one of the things that made the slave trade in the New World particularly noxious.

 

[Coyote]

It's easy to look back into history and point the finger at what people did in those days. The world was a very different place and slavery was a global norm for many centuries. It is not reasonable IMO to judge them based on today's morals and laws.

But the point of this thread is to show the obvious distortion of historical facts in order to make America the slavery "bad guy".

I am not sure I fully agree here. Yes, to a certain extent, it was a global norm. But when it was being eradicated elsewhere, we fought like hell to keep it because slavery enabled a certain lifestyle in part of the country that they did not want to give it up. So they had to make up reasons why black people were inferior and childlike and couldn’t be allowed freedom…slavery was portrayed as benevolent paternalism. When it finally fell, it was still maintained de-facto through Jim Crowe and legislation to limit their rights as free people, using the same warped arguments. There is no distortion of the facts if you are talking about the effect that institution had on our country. The distortion is in trying to minimize it by saying others did it worse. Who cares what others did? THEY will have to confront that chapter in THEIR history.

 

[initforme]

Slave owners were scum. Lowlifes. Anti Christian. Nuff said.

 

[IM2]

Why did the 13 colonies import ANY slaves? 6% was too many as far as I'm concerned. Why didn't the European colonists do their own work?

That is a question these guys have never really considered.

 

[IM2]

It's easy to look back into history and point the finger at what people did in those days. The world was a very different place and slavery was a global norm for many centuries. It is not reasonable IMO to judge them based on today's morals and laws.

But the point of this thread is to show the obvious distortion of historical facts in order to make America the slavery "bad guy".

It's easy for those like you to excuse what happened so you can keep feeling superior. Nothing has ever been distorted. The fact is that we live in America, not South America and American is being held to account for what was done here. You take responsibility for your choices people suddenly can't do it when you are the ones held to account. That's the result of a belief of entitlement that whites who think like you have.

Slavery has NEVER been a norm. Every civilization that had it was destroyed. So that is just another sorry excuse. So let me repost the standards held by people at that time.

“Why keep alive the question of slavery? It is admitted by all to be a great evil.”
Charles Carroll, Signer of the Declaration

“I am glad to hear that the disposition against keeping negroes grows more general in North America. Several pieces have been lately printed here against the practice, and I hope in time it will be taken into consideration and suppressed by the legislature.”
Benjamin Franklin, Signer of the Declaration, Signer of the Constitution, President of the Pennsylvania Abolition Society

“That men should pray and fight for their own freedom and yet keep others in slavery is certainly acting a very inconsistent, as well as unjust and perhaps impious,”
John Jay, President of Continental Congress, Original Chief Justice U. S. Supreme Court

“Justice and humanity require it [the end of slavery]–Christianity commands it. Let every benevolent . . . pray for the glorious period when the last slave who fights for freedom shall be restored to the possession of that inestimable right.
Noah Webster, Responsible for Article I, Section 8, of the Constitution

I hope we shall at last, and if it so please God I hope it may be during my life time, see this cursed thing [slavery] taken out. . . . For my part, whether in a public station or a private capacity, I shall always be prompt to contribute my assistance towards effecting so desirable an event.”
William Livingston, Signer of the Constitution; Governor of New Jersey

“The whole commerce between master and slave is a perpetual exercise of the most boisterous passions, the most unremitting despotism on the one part, and degrading submissions on the other. . . . And with what execration [curse] should the statesman be loaded, who permitting one half the citizens thus to trample on the rights of the other. . . . And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.”
Thomas Jefferson

 

[IM2]

Many owners considered it their prerogative to rape enslaved women. Of course any offspring were born into slavery. And , ya it was forced breeding of a sort. Not like they could out on a date night and find a partner.

Breeding human beings, splitting families and selling children really aren’t so funny. They are one of the things that made the slave trade in the New World particularly noxious.

In many cases they were forced to have sex and if they didn't obey they could get beaten or killed. Then there is the small matter of the sex farms and buck breaking.

 

[MarathonMike]

I am not sure I fully agree here. Yes, to a certain extent, it was a global norm. But when it was being eradicated elsewhere, we fought like hell to keep it because slavery enabled a certain lifestyle in part of the country that they did not want to give it up. So they had to make up reasons why black people were inferior and childlike and couldn’t be allowed freedom…slavery was portrayed as benevolent paternalism. When it finally fell, it was still maintained de-facto through Jim Crowe and legislation to limit their rights as free people, using the same warped arguments. There is no distortion of the facts if you are talking about the effect that institution had on our country. The distortion is in trying to minimize it by saying others did it worse. Who cares what others did? THEY will have to confront that chapter in THEIR history.

The reason for the obvious distortion of the truth is it completely changes the narrative from AMERICA'S ORIGINAL SIN to the WORLD's ORIGINAL SIN. You can start splitting hairs about this detail or that detail, but the truth is that the vast majority of the African slave shipments went to South America and the Caribbean to work the sugar cane fields. They went there to feed Europe's insatiable desire for sugar. And they worked in conditions that were far worse than anything seen in America.

If the 1619 project and CRT are so intent on telling the true history of slavery, then tell the whole truth not just the part that singles out America as the lone villain of slavery. And while we're at it, how about the African natives who helped the Muslims capture and sell their brothers into slavery? Seems like we need to go back to Great Britain, Africa South America and the Middle East to get some reparations.

 

[IM2]

The reason for the obvious distortion of the truth is it completely changes the narrative from AMERICA'S ORIGINAL SIN to the WORLD's ORIGINAL SIN. You can start splitting hairs about this detail or that detail, but the truth is that the vast majority of the African slave shipments went to South America and the Caribbean to work the sugar cane fields. They went there to feed Europe's insatiable desire for sugar. And they worked in conditions that were far worse than anything seen in America.

If the 1619 project and CRT are so intent on telling the true history of slavery, then tell the whole truth not just the part that singles out America as the lone villain of slavery. And while we're at it, how about the African natives who helped the Muslims capture and sell their brothers into slavery? Seems like we need to go back to Great Britain, Africa South America and the Middle East to get some reparations.

There is no distortion, only avoidance by whites like you. The 1619 Project is about American History and CRT are legal theories. So you have to learn the truth first. And while we're at it how abouy the whites who armed on African tribe in return for the captives of war? The American government made things legal here and the American government continued racism after slavery. So as you have just proven, this thread is not about history, its about racists trying to disniss what was made legal here in order to try absolving themselves.

 

[IM2]

To the whites who create all kinds of excuses:

Tomorrow, go to any store and claim you own something you did't purchase and see what you get.

I keep reading stuff from a particular type of white person who keeps talking about what Africans sold.

Why did whites buy the slaves? Africans didn't force them to do so at gunpoint because they didn't have guns. So how did the alimighty superior in every way white man get "duped" into buying other
human beings?

Certainly the more advanced vastly superior white creators of all civilzation knew that buying humans was wrong. I'm sure that in those highly advanced european universities whereby the foundations of liberty, self government and the rule of law have been claimed to have been created taught those great intellectual white men that owning other humans was wrong, So how did a bunch of low IQ half nekkid "savages" not far removed from apes make the white man buy slaves?

 

[AZrailwhale]

Why did the 13 colonies import ANY slaves? 6% was too many as far as I'm concerned. Why didn't the European colonists do their own work?

The thirteen colonies didn’t, the British government did that. The US banned the import of slaves less than ten years after the constitution was adopted.

 

[Ms. Turquoise]

The thirteen colonies didn’t, the British government did that. The US banned the import of slaves less than ten years after the constitution was adopted.

But the US still allowed slave breeding farms to exist.

 

[AZrailwhale]

To the whites who create all kinds of excuses:

Tomorrow, go to any store and claim you own something you did't purchase and see what you get.

I keep reading stuff from a particular type of white person who keeps talking about what Africans sold.

Why did whites buy the slaves? Africans didn't force them to do so at gunpoint because they didn't have guns. So how did the alimighty superior in every way white man get "duped" into buying other
human beings?

Certainly the more advanced vastly superior white creators of all civilzation knew that buying humans was wrong. I'm sure that in those highly advanced european universities whereby the foundations of liberty, self government and the rule of law have been claimed to have been created taught those great intellectual white men that owning other humans was wrong, So how did a bunch of low IQ half nekkid "savages" not far removed from apes make the white man buy slaves?

The problem with your thesis, is that before eighteen hundred or so, there was no government on the planet that thought there was anything wrong with slavery. Plus the USA was one of the first countries to ban the slave trade and the only country to fight a war to end slavery inside its own borders.

 

[AZrailwhale]

But the US still allowed slave breeding farms to exist.

According to IM2 there were only a few breeding farms. Most of the increase came from normal relations between men and women who happened to be slaves.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Many owners considered it their prerogative to rape enslaved women. Of course any offspring were born into slavery. And , ya it was forced breeding of a sort. Not like they could out on a date night and find a partner.

Breeding human beings, splitting families and selling children really aren’t so funny. They are one of the things that made the slave trade in the New World particularly noxious.

Do you think that any other slave holding society was any different?

 

[IM2]

The thirteen colonies didn’t, the British government did that. The US banned the import of slaves less than ten years after the constitution was adopted.

Bullshit. On top of that the U.S. bred slaves for sale.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Bullshit. On top of that the U.S. bred slaves for sale.

I agree, the Southern states had a stranglehold on the federal government, partially because of the three fifths compromise that makes you so angry. It would have been worse if the south had gotten its way and had every slave counted in the census as a full person. If the northern states had managed to not have slaves counted at all, the north could have ended slavery much sooner, perhaps as soon as it banned the importation of slaves,
For some reason, you expect other people, especially white people to be perfect. Historical people can only fairly be judged by the standards of their times, judging them by today’s standards is unfair to them and you since they will never live up to your standards.

 

[IM2]

According to IM2 there were only a few breeding farms. Most of the increase came from normal relations between men and women who happened to be slaves.

No, I have said no such thing. Whites like you keep trying to minimize things. I never mentioned how many breeding farms there were only that 389,000 africans turned into 4 million and it was not mostly done by normal relations.

“The South,” the Sublettes write, “did not only produce tobacco, rice, sugar, and cotton as commodities for sale; it produced people.” Slavers called slave-breeding “natural increase,” but there was nothing natural about producing slaves; it took scientific management. Thomas Jefferson bragged to George Washington that the birth of black children was increasing Virginia’s capital stock by four percent annually.”

It's time for the excuses and falsehoods to stop.

My master often went to the house, got drunk, and then came out to the field to whip, cut, slash, curse, swear, beat and knock down several, for the smallest offense, or nothing at all.

He divested a poor female slave of all wearing apparel, tied her down to stakes, and whipped her with a handsaw until he broke it over her naked body. In process of time, he ravished her person and became the father of a child by her. Besides, he always kept a colored Miss in the house with him. This is another curse of Slavery concubinage and illegitimate connections which is carried on to an alarming extent in the far South. A poor slave man who lives close by his wife is permitted to visit her but very seldom, and other men, both white and colored, cohabit with her. It is undoubtedly the worst place of incest and bigamy in the world. A white man thinks nothing of putting a colored man out to carry the fore row [front row in field work] and carry on the same sport with the colored man’s wife at the same time.

I know these facts will seem too awful to relate, but I am constrained to write of such revolting deeds, as they are some of the real “dark deeds of American Slavery.” Then, kind reader, pursue my narrative, remembering that I give no fiction in my details of horrid scenes. Nay, believe, with me, that the half can never be told of the misery the poor slaves are still suffering in this so-called land of freedom.

-WILLIAM J. ANDERSON, Life and Narrative of William J. Anderson, Twenty-Four Years a Slave, 1857

On this plantation were more than 100 slaves who were mated indiscrimi-nately and without any regard for family unions. If their master thought that a certain man and woman might have strong, healthy offspring, he forced them to have sexual relation, even though they were married to other slaves. If there seemed to be any slight reluctance on the part of either of the unfortunate ones, “Big Jim” would make them consummate this relationship in his presence. He used the same procedure if he thought a certain couple was not producing children fast enough. He enjoyed these orgies very much and often entertained his friends in this manner; quite often he and his guests would engage in these debaucheries, choosing for themselves the prettiest of the young women. Sometimes they forced the unhappy husbands and lovers of their victims to look on. Louisa and Sam were married in a very revolting manner. To quote [Louisa]:

“Marse Jim called me and Sam ter him and ordered Sam to pull off his shirt that was all the McClain ******* wore and he said to me: Nor, ‘do you think you can stand this big ******?’ He had that old bull whip flung acrost his shoulder, and Lawd, that man could hit so hard! So I jes said ‘yassur, I guess so,’ and tried to hide my face so I couldn’t see Sam’s nakedness, but he made me look at him anyhow.”

“Well, he told us what we must git busy and do in his presence, and we had to do it. After that we were considered man and wife. Me and Sam was a healthy pair and had fine, big babies, so I never had another man forced on me, thank God. Sam was kind to me and I learnt to love him.”

SAM & LOUISA EVERETT, enslaved in Virginia, interviewed 1936 [WPA Slave Narrative Project]

If a hand were noted for raising up strong black bucks, bucks that would never “let the monkey get them” while in the high-noon hoeing, he would be sent out as a species of circuit-rider to the other plantations to plantations where there was over-plus of “worthless young ****** gals.” There he would be “married off” again time and again. This was thrifty and saved any actual purchase of new stock.

JOHN COLE, enslaved in Georgia, interviewed 1937, as paraphrased by the interviewer [WPA Slave Narrative Project]

Mother said there were cases where these young girls loved someone else and would have to receive the attentions of men of the master’s choice. This was a general custom. . . The masters called themselves Christians, went to church worship regularly and yet allowed this condition to exist.

HILLIARD YELLERDAY, enslaved in North Carolina, interviewed ca. 1937 [WPA Slave Narrative Project]