Opinion: In U.S., right wing extremists more deadly than jihadists

[whitehall]

Are the left wingers so ignorant and hate filled that they don't realize that the KKK was (and is) a democrat party organization and the Nazi party was socialist gang? The former democrat politician apparently decided to murder Jews because a Media Matters blog site said the Koch brothers and Israel were trying to buy US elections. Democrat politician Al Sharpton's mob murdered Jewish property owners in Harlem. Jessie Jackson called NYC "Hymie-town". How many murders does it take to understand that Nazi anti-Semites are left wing?

 

[RandallFlagg]

Are the left wingers so ignorant and hate filled that they don't realize that the KKK was (and is) a democrat party organization and the Nazi party was socialist gang? The former democrat politician apparently decided to murder Jews because a Media Matters blog site said the Koch brothers and Israel were trying to buy US elections. Democrat politician Al Sharpton's mob murdered Jewish property owners in Harlem. Jessie Jackson called NYC "Hymie-town". How many murders does it take to understand that Nazi anti-Semites are left wing?

And that is precisely why, from this day forward, they (the left) will be forever known to me as NAZIs.

 

[KNB]

Are right-wingers so fucking stupid that they don't understand which states fought for slavery?

 

[koshergrl]

Democrat states.

 

[CaféAuLait]

So what are they counting as a right wing terrorist attack, anyone with any ideology or someone who is screaming a hate filled tirade, or leaves a letter saying they are doing such for hate? Or someone a member or stating they were acting as a member of a hate group? From your article:

(Although a variety of left wing militants and environmental extremists have carried out violent attacks for political reasons against property and individuals since 9/11, none have been linked to a lethal attack, according to research by the New America Foundation.)

Moreover, since 9/11 none of the more than 200 individuals indicted or convicted in the United States of some act of jihadist terrorism have acquired or used chemical or biological weapons or their precursor materials, while 13 individuals motivated by right wing extremist ideology, one individual motivated by left-wing extremist ideology, and two with idiosyncratic beliefs, used or acquired such weapons or their precursors.

Page is not, of course, the only right wing extremist to have used lethal violence to achieve political ends. In 2009, for instance, Shawna Forde, Albert Gaxiola, and Jason Bush raided a house in Arizona, killing Raul Flores and his daughter Brisenia. The three attackers sought to use the burglary to finance their anti-immigration vigilante group, Minutemen American Defense. Forde and Bush were convicted and sentenced to death. Gaxiola was sentenced to life in prison.

So anyone affiliated with any right wing extremist group is guilty of a hate crime while anyone who is affiliated with a Jihadist group is not always counted? Is that what I have just read?

So the Beltway Snipers don't count?

Prosecutors also had to prove either that he was both directly responsible for Mr. Meyers's death and had killed another person within a three-year period or that the killing of Mr. Meyers was part of an act of terrorism. The jury accepted both theories.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/23/national/23sniper.html

A series of trial exhibits suggested Malvo and Muhammad were motivated by an affinity for Islamicist Jihad.[34]
Exhibit 65-006: A self-portrait of Malvo in the cross hairs of a gun scope shouting, "ALLAH AKBAR!" The word "SALAAM" scrawled vertically. A lyric from Bob Marley's Natural Mystic "Many more will have to suffer. Many more will have to die. Don't ask me why."
Exhibit 65-016: A portrait of Saddam Hussein with the words "INSHALLAH" and "The Protector," surrounded by rockets labeled "chem" and "nuk".
Exhibit 65-043: Father and son portrait of Malvo and Muhammad. "We will kill them all. Jihad."
Exhibit 65-056: A self-portrait of Malvo as sniper, lying in wait, with his rifle. "JIHAD" written in bold letters.
Exhibit 65-067: A suicide bomber labeled "Hamas" walking into a McDonald's restaurant. Another drawing of the Twin Towers burning captioned: "85 percent chance Zionists did this." More scrawls: "ALLAH AKBAR," "JIHAD," and "Islam will explode."
Exhibit 65-103: A lion accompanies chapter and verse from the Quran (Sura 2:190): "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you and slay them wherever ye catch them."
Exhibit 65-109: Portrait of Osama bin Laden, captioned "Servant of Allah."
Exhibit 65-117: The White House drawn in crosshairs, surrounded by missiles, with a warning: "Sep. 11 we will ensure will look like a picnic to you" and "you will bleed to death little by little."
Exhibit 65-101: Malvo's thought for the day: "Islam the only true guidance, the way of peace."

At the 2006 trial of Muhammad, Malvo testified that the aim of the killing spree was to kidnap children for the purpose of extorting money from the government and to "set up a camp to train children how to terrorize cities",[35] with the ultimate goal being to "shut things down" across the United States.[36]

Beltway sniper attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Major Hasan does not count even though he was communicating with a known terrorist and screaming "Allah Akbar" while killing 13 and shotting 40 more?

Mohammed Ali Alayed does not count after going through a religious revival at a Mosque and killing his Jewish friend?

Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar does not count? Trying to kill 9 by mowing them down in a SUV for Jihad even though he said "I was aiming to follow in the footsteps of one of my role models, Mohamed Atta, one of the 9/11 hijackers, who obtained a doctorate degree".

Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar SUV attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Michael Julius Ford rampage shooing saying the killings were "Allah's choice" was not motivated by extremism?

I don't know what happened to him yesterday. It was like everything changed," Khali said. "He told me that Allah was going to make a choice and it was going to be good and told me people at his job was making fun of his religion and he didn't respect that."

Shooting spree baffles those close to 22-year-old Ford - The Denver Post


Naveed Afzal Haq shot six women, one fatally, at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle.

Naveed Afzal Haq, had selected his target by researching "something Jewish" on the Internet

Seattle Jewish Federation shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sulejman Talović ...Trolly Square Shootings?

Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad? Muslim saying he wanted to kill as many American Soldiers as he could stating that Al-Qaida sent him?

2009 Little Rock recruiting office shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A hell of a lot more than 21. I could continue to list many more if you like. It wont matter though one will find a way to convince themselves these people were not extremists as well.

 

[blackhawk]

Are right-wingers so fucking stupid that they don't understand which states fought for slavery?

At the time of the civil war those were Democrat states since then there has been a big shift with the South now mostly Republican and the North being mostly Democrat.

 

[The T]

Are the left wingers so ignorant and hate filled that they don't realize that the KKK was (and is) a democrat party organization and the Nazi party was socialist gang? The former democrat politician apparently decided to murder Jews because a Media Matters blog site said the Koch brothers and Israel were trying to buy US elections. Democrat politician Al Sharpton's mob murdered Jewish property owners in Harlem. Jessie Jackson called NYC "Hymie-town". How many murders does it take to understand that Nazi anti-Semites are left wing?

And that is precisely why, from this day forward, they (the left) will be forever known to me as NAZIs.

True Fascists as it IS.

 

[The T]

Are the left wingers so ignorant and hate filled that they don't realize that the KKK was (and is) a democrat party organization and the Nazi party was socialist gang? The former democrat politician apparently decided to murder Jews because a Media Matters blog site said the Koch brothers and Israel were trying to buy US elections. Democrat politician Al Sharpton's mob murdered Jewish property owners in Harlem. Jessie Jackson called NYC "Hymie-town". How many murders does it take to understand that Nazi anti-Semites are left wing?

Short answer? *YES*

 

[Katzndogz]

The left has a handful of incidents over a period of years. They are trying to spin this into something that would justify their shitted up lace panties. If this scares you that much what would you do with a real insurgency? Not one or two guys once or twice a year but hundreds all across the country?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Edgetho, your numbers are lies.

Move along.

They aren't lies unless you disprove them, which you didn't. Do that, or move along yourself, Jake.

 

[Wry Catcher]

So what's you solution then Wry Catcher to all of these right-wingers ban guns which is totally impossible to do for one thing the US can't even stop a plant from getting across the border. Ban web sites like Info wars? Look I know Alex Jones is a nut case but he has 1st amendment right's here in the us and if you do censor him all you'll do is make him more popular and you might get more crazy white right wingers doing more horrible things oh no.

Or you can judge an individual on what he does not on what he listens to or reads. but I don't think that's your aim here I think its the 1st 2 options you would like but hey I could be wrong let me know if I am Wry or anyone else

Wry Catcher is doing his master's work. He sees violence in the future, and he's helping to pave the way.

You're eyes must be brown.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It isn't a fact that right wingers are more violent.

It's hogwash. Like I said, they're seeking to criminalize people for their beliefs, so they can be justified in killing them.

So you've said; however, many others disagree and many of them have posted evidence. Now, you may not find the evidence posted to be probative, but unless and until you offer something to militate that evidence as untrue, why should anyone take your opinion seriously?

You haven't posted any evidence to support your theory.

Meanwhile, I have shown the identical nature of your propaganda, and that of the third reich.

Anything else you want spanked on?

The evidence is posted throughout this thread. That you become nasty suggests you're the one to have been spanked.

 

[KNB]

Are right-wingers so fucking stupid that they don't understand which states fought for slavery?

At the time of the civil war those were Democrat states since then there has been a big shift with the South now mostly Republican and the North being mostly Democrat.

And now they are Republican states. The same racist hick redneck southern Confederate hilljack families are still there, now voting Republican instead of Democrat.

Southern racist Democrats became Southern racist Republicans. The key term is "SOUTHERN RACISTS". The Confederacy. Slaveowners. Southern states. Get it?

 

[The T]

So you've said; however, many others disagree and many of them have posted evidence. Now, you may not find the evidence posted to be probative, but unless and until you offer something to militate that evidence as untrue, why should anyone take your opinion seriously?

You haven't posted any evidence to support your theory.

Meanwhile, I have shown the identical nature of your propaganda, and that of the third reich.

Anything else you want spanked on?

The evidence is posted throughout this thread. That you become nasty suggests you're the one to have been spanked.

WHERE? I've seen Leftwing Horse taters...nothing else from YOU FlySnatcher.

 

[Wry Catcher]

So what's you solution then Wry Catcher to all of these right-wingers ban guns which is totally impossible to do for one thing the US can't even stop a plant from getting across the border. Ban web sites like Info wars? Look I know Alex Jones is a nut case but he has 1st amendment right's here in the us and if you do censor him all you'll do is make him more popular and you might get more crazy white right wingers doing more horrible things oh no.

Or you can judge an individual on what he does not on what he listens to or reads. but I don't think that's your aim here I think its the 1st 2 options you would like but hey I could be wrong let me know if I am Wry or anyone else

My answer is pretty basic. The right to bear arms is a freedom that needs to be discussed calmly in the public arena. I support the right of any sober, sane and law abiding citizen to own, possess and have in his or her custody and control a firearm in his/her own home or business. Beyond that, each state should have the right to enforce regulations to ensure public safety.

I don't support censorship in any situation though calumny, pornography, and other forms of exploitation and mendacity by an actor should be open to civil and/or criminal penalties, as established by each state legislature.

I hope that answers your question.

Classic. He portray right wingers as murdering insane terrorists...then claims he's willing to allow the arms discussion to take place...sans all crazy folk.



No crazy people or criminals.....and he'll continue to pretend that all right wingers are crazy criminals.

It's beautiful.

The RW doesn't have a lock on mental illness, it is pervasive throughout our population.

 

[JakeStarkey]

There is some danger on the far left, but the government is correct in looking at the militia and sovreignists and survivalists on the far extreme right. However, at this time, each are in the D league compared the major league of AQ.

Is that because you think a bunch of nut jobs who hate bankers, oppose military interventions in foreign countries, support drug legalization, and oppose corporate bailouts are right wing, or is it because you are a hack?

The latter is correct. Like I said earlier, beware the left. They are nothing more than modern Brownshirt Nazis. They would live nothing more than "camps" for those they disagree with.

N A Z I s.

You are the brown shirt equivalent on the far right.

Any who rise up, either on the left or on the right, will go into the system or into the ground.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Democrat states.

Another lie by omission. Or maybe abject ignorance of our nations history.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Is that because you think a bunch of nut jobs who hate bankers, oppose military interventions in foreign countries, support drug legalization, and oppose corporate bailouts are right wing, or is it because you are a hack?

The latter is correct. Like I said earlier, beware the left. They are nothing more than modern Brownshirt Nazis. They would live nothing more than "camps" for those they disagree with.

N A Z I s.

You are the brown shirt equivalent on the far right.

Any who rise up, either on the left or on the right, will go into the system or into the ground.

"Stop expressing yourself, or we the government will institutionalize or kill you."

Seriously?

 

[Wry Catcher]

So what are they counting as a right wing terrorist attack, anyone with any ideology or someone who is screaming a hate filled tirade, or leaves a letter saying they are doing such for hate? Or someone a member or stating they were acting as a member of a hate group? From your article:

(Although a variety of left wing militants and environmental extremists have carried out violent attacks for political reasons against property and individuals since 9/11, none have been linked to a lethal attack, according to research by the New America Foundation.)

Moreover, since 9/11 none of the more than 200 individuals indicted or convicted in the United States of some act of jihadist terrorism have acquired or used chemical or biological weapons or their precursor materials, while 13 individuals motivated by right wing extremist ideology, one individual motivated by left-wing extremist ideology, and two with idiosyncratic beliefs, used or acquired such weapons or their precursors.

Page is not, of course, the only right wing extremist to have used lethal violence to achieve political ends. In 2009, for instance, Shawna Forde, Albert Gaxiola, and Jason Bush raided a house in Arizona, killing Raul Flores and his daughter Brisenia. The three attackers sought to use the burglary to finance their anti-immigration vigilante group, Minutemen American Defense. Forde and Bush were convicted and sentenced to death. Gaxiola was sentenced to life in prison.

So anyone affiliated with any right wing extremist group is guilty of a hate crime while anyone who is affiliated with a Jihadist group is not always counted? Is that what I have just read?

So the Beltway Snipers don't count?

Prosecutors also had to prove either that he was both directly responsible for Mr. Meyers's death and had killed another person within a three-year period or that the killing of Mr. Meyers was part of an act of terrorism. The jury accepted both theories.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/23/national/23sniper.html



Beltway sniper attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Major Hasan does not count even though he was communicating with a known terrorist and screaming "Allah Akbar" while killing 13 and shotting 40 more?

Mohammed Ali Alayed does not count after going through a religious revival at a Mosque and killing his Jewish friend?

Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar does not count? Trying to kill 9 by mowing them down in a SUV for Jihad even though he said "I was aiming to follow in the footsteps of one of my role models, Mohamed Atta, one of the 9/11 hijackers, who obtained a doctorate degree".

Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar SUV attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Michael Julius Ford rampage shooing saying the killings were "Allah's choice" was not motivated by extremism?

I don't know what happened to him yesterday. It was like everything changed," Khali said. "He told me that Allah was going to make a choice and it was going to be good and told me people at his job was making fun of his religion and he didn't respect that."

Shooting spree baffles those close to 22-year-old Ford - The Denver Post


Naveed Afzal Haq shot six women, one fatally, at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle.

Naveed Afzal Haq, had selected his target by researching "something Jewish" on the Internet

Seattle Jewish Federation shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sulejman Talović ...Trolly Square Shootings?

Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad? Muslim saying he wanted to kill as many American Soldiers as he could stating that Al-Qaida sent him?

2009 Little Rock recruiting office shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A hell of a lot more than 21. I could continue to list many more if you like. It wont matter though one will find a way to convince themselves these people were not extremists as well.

Thanks, I appreciate the research and evidence that mental illness does not always comport with left or right wing violence. It may not even be considered evil, for the actor is not rational and may not know his or her action is wrong.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The latter is correct. Like I said earlier, beware the left. They are nothing more than modern Brownshirt Nazis. They would live nothing more than "camps" for those they disagree with.

N A Z I s.

You are the brown shirt equivalent on the far right.

Any who rise up, either on the left or on the right, will go into the system or into the ground.

"Stop expressing yourself, or we the government will institutionalize or kill you."

Seriously?

Seriously, I stand for the constitution and the law.

Violence is not acceptable expression, and you know it.