Opinion: In U.S., right wing extremists more deadly than jihadists

[Nutz]

In the US crossing the sidewalk is more dangerous than jihad so what's your fucking point. Should we outlaw crossing the street

This is actually a good point, one that I will twist slightly.

The risk of dying in a terrorist attack (domestic or foreign) is less than the risk of getting struck by lightning. So why did we let the government scare us into building a surveillance state? It seems like every time something happens, people on both sides of the aisle think that the answer is to give government more power. Sure, it would be great to get rid of evil - and it would be great to feel totally safe in every skyscraper and on every airplane, but I don't think giving government more power is going to make things better.

Government access to our private communications and data make Orwell's worries seem optimistic. All it took was a few years of color coded terror alerts. A surveillance state is far more dangerous to the lives of Americans than the extremely small threat of terrorism. I thought people understood this.

What's going to happen in the event of another domestic attack? Biometric ID cards? Will we see tanks driving down every main street? By acting so hysterically and giving Al Qaeda so much press - and filing so many political commercials with mushroom clouds and images of Bin Laden - we gave our enemies the blueprint for destroying our freedom. Meaning: they know that if they attack us, our leaders will destroy the Constitution along with our freedom. This is the point of terrorism - to use fear to destroy the fabric of your enemy's nation. How did we fall for it?

"Hi, I'm from government and I'm here to protect you"

Nice point. Nonetheless, we can prevent terrorist attacks, we can't prevent when and where lightning will strike.

 

[Barb]

If this thread doesn't get nuked, not moved -- Nuked.

Then this site is a joke

Why? The OP supports its opinion with factual evidence; your opinion does not.

I must have missed the part where the OP actually stated an opinion, let me go look.

See and comment on this opinion piece:

Opinion: In U.S., right wing extremists more deadly than jihadists - CNN.com

What do you know, just a badly worded command and a link to a hit piece that doesn't present any evidence to back up any of its claims.

You missed other links within the story to reports by organizations that are NOT the hated SPLC:

http://bipartisanpolicy.org/sites/default/files/Jihadist Terrorism-A Threat Assesment_0.pdf

Homegrown Extremism 2001-2013 | The National Security Program

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The terrorism practiced by the far right is a fact and poses a serious threat, the recent attack in Kansas is proof of that.

That the partisan right is embarrassed by this terrorism doesn’t mitigate its seriousness nor justify conservatives’ desire to ignore the threat.

 

[joejonbob]

The terrorism practiced by the far right is a fact and poses a serious threat, the recent attack in Kansas is proof of that.

That the partisan right is embarrassed by this terrorism doesn’t mitigate its seriousness nor justify conservatives’ desire to ignore the threat.

I suggest you send 200 armed BLM agents to quell the rebellion Grand Moff Tarkin.

 

[RandallFlagg]

The terrorism practiced by the far right is a fact and poses a serious threat, the recent attack in Kansas is proof of that.

That the partisan right is embarrassed by this terrorism doesn’t mitigate its seriousness nor justify conservatives’ desire to ignore the threat.

I'm a million times more afraid of lawyers, Nazi.


Shame on you.

 

[Indofred]

To see who is the most dangerous, one should first look at the numbers.

According to this site, Muslim terrorists killed 1,479 people in March 2014.
Multiply by 12 months to get 17,748 per year.

This site quotes a little over 3,000 people killed in America, including 9/11.

Then we have to look at the American right.
They supply guns to the drug dealers.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H33u1e80WY]U.S. Guns: The Awful, Shocking Truth! - YouTube[/ame]

There goes 60,000 dead in five years, or an average of 12,000 killed per year, mostly with guns imported from America.
America's right wing gun nuts are catching up fast.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

This quotes an average of about 30,000 killed per year by guns in America.

Looks like the American right wing gun nuts are well in the lead.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Hmmmm, no, they're on the left. Government controlling every aspect of your life is a leftwing ideal.

By definition - they are the reactionary right, religious fundamentalists

The right believes in limited government. Islamic Jihadists believe in government controlling you entire life, just like the left.

FAIL

You mean like limiting government intervention into abortion?
You mean like limiting governmental intervention into smoking pot?
You mean like limiting government intervention into same-sex marriage?
You mean like limiting governmental intervention into immigration?
You mean like limiting government intervention into religious freedom (as in posting the 10 Commandments in governmental buildings)?
You mean like limiting governmental intervention into Iraq?


Glad to know you've swallowed the BS talking points. Sorry, but I'm not that hungry.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"Stop expressing yourself, or we the government will institutionalize or kill you."

Seriously?

Seriously, I stand for the constitution and the law.

Violence is not acceptable expression, and you know it.

So explain why the government brought armed agents to the Bundy ranch then? If violence wasn't the answer, why bring them? Apparently, violence is only acceptable if government itself is doing it.

(1) Because officers of the law are armed and should be.

(2) If they had come unarmed, Bundy's bootlickers would have killed them.

Yes, government has the monopoly on legal violence. Always have been and will be that way.

 

[nodoginnafight]

So explain why the government brought armed agents to the Bundy ranch then? If violence wasn't the answer, why bring them? Apparently, violence is only acceptable if government itself is doing it.

Maybe because Bundy snatched up his rifle and invited all his buddies and right-wing militia groups from all over to come and join his "range war."

So YOU think the feds should have responded to that by bringing lollipops?????

The kinda folks attracted to defend Bundy's right to freeload on Public Lands are EXACTLY the kind of right-wing extremists who are most likely to turn violent and cross the line into terrorism (see: Timothy McVeigh)

 

[JakeStarkey]

nodoginafight is 100% correct.

Many on the far right are conservative progressives in that they wish government to stop abortion, to stop smoking pot, to prevent marriage equality, increase deportations, to allow religion into all of the public square, and to support wars of intervention.

And yet they say they believe in limited government: well, for everybody else, perhaps.

 

[Wry Catcher]

So explain why the government brought armed agents to the Bundy ranch then? If violence wasn't the answer, why bring them? Apparently, violence is only acceptable if government itself is doing it.

Maybe because Bundy snatched up his rifle and invited all his buddies and right-wing militia groups from all over to come and join his "range war."

So YOU think the feds should have responded to that by bringing lollipops?????

The kinda folks attracted to defend Bundy's right to freeload on Public Lands are EXACTLY the kind of right-wing extremists who are most likely to turn violent and cross the line into terrorism (see: Timothy McVeigh)

Does anyone think those who rushed to defend Bundy's right to freeload on Public Lands would rush right in to defend a black man from the local police efforts to evict him, when he decided to make his home in their neighborhood public park and had dug up the sod in the enclosed dog park to plant a vegetable garden?

 

[Contumacious]

I suppose in your deranged mind the piece of shit who shot and killed three innocents because of their faith was acting under orders of the Obama Administration.

Is it OK, in your derange mind , to terrorize the Davidians for 2 months then incinerate them alive?

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Of course not. But why simplify Waco? Tell us the history, both the official version and the conspiratorial one.

I am only aware of the official version.

The 'Ambush' at Waco

By Vin Suprynowicz

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[nodoginnafight]

Is it OK, in your derange mind , to terrorize the Davidians for 2 months then incinerate them alive?

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Of course not. But why simplify Waco? Tell us the history, both the official version and the conspiratorial one.

I am only aware of the official version.

The 'Ambush' at Waco

By Vin Suprynowicz

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So only a Libertarian revisionist version will do?

Cults only allow their own version of history too.

 

[Contumacious]

Internationally or domestically?

Domestically, the leader is likely Timothy McVeigh [McVeigh, a militia movement sympathizer and Gulf War veteran, sought revenge against the federal government for their handling of the Waco Siege, which ended in the deaths of 76 people exactly two years prior to the bombing, as well as for the Ruby Ridge incident in 1992. McVeigh hoped to inspire a revolt against what he considered to be a tyrannical federal government.]

His anger seems to be little different than many of your compatriots (and you) who post anti government, hateful messages on this forum.

Nonsense.

How can the government which provides food stamps, welfare, Obama Hellcare be considered tyrannical?!?!?!!?

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Hmmm . . . . . the Third Reich provided free medical care and welfare.

Yes, indeed.

Platform Nazi Party 1933

7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.

15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young."

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[nodoginnafight]

Nonsense.

How can the government which provides food stamps, welfare, Obama Hellcare be considered tyrannical?!?!?!!?

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Hmmm . . . . . the Third Reich provided free medical care and welfare.

Yes, indeed.

Platform Nazi Party 1933

7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.

15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young."

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The Nazi's also fed their children .....

Hmmmmmmm .........

 

[Contumacious]

Of course not. But why simplify Waco? Tell us the history, both the official version and the conspiratorial one.

I am only aware of the official version.

The 'Ambush' at Waco

By Vin Suprynowicz

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So only a Libertarian revisionist version will do?

Cults only allow their own version of history too.

HUH?

WHY is Vin Suprynowicz , who edits the editorial pages for the Las Vegas Review-Journal, incorrect?!?!?!?

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[Contumacious]

Hmmm . . . . . the Third Reich provided free medical care and welfare.

Yes, indeed.

Platform Nazi Party 1933

7. We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.

15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

21. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young."

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The Nazi's also fed their children .....

Hmmmmmmm .........

Nothing wrong with feeding YOUR OWN children.

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[koshergrl]

What a ridiculous thread.

 

[nodoginnafight]

What a ridiculous thread.

Thanks for stopping by

 

[nodoginnafight]

I am only aware of the official version.

The 'Ambush' at Waco

By Vin Suprynowicz

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So only a Libertarian revisionist version will do?

Cults only allow their own version of history too.

HUH?

WHY is Vin Suprynowicz , who edits the editorial pages for the Las Vegas Review-Journal, incorrect?!?!?!?

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Number one - this piece is not an account of the events. It's an argument.

Number two - it (like so many conspiracy theories) only asks what he thinks are damning questions - the damning part comes with the insinuations behind the questions.

That's not history - that's not even a journalistic account of events.
It's opinion and conjecture.