Osama is Dead. So What?

[The Rabbi]

Obama's big "win" in the war on terror, which he wont name, is his claim to killing Osama bin Laden. Maybe in his mind he personally executed him. I dont know.
But so what? What did that accomplish? Were terrorists dismantled as a result? Was there any demonstrable effect? Was America or Europe any safer?
No.
Bush was right to de-emphasize Osama, knowing he was nothing more than a symbol, and bypassed by events and marginalized by US efforts.
So without that accomplishment, what has Obama done to make this country safer? I mean other than groping 85 year old women at airports.

 

[bodecea]

Yes...we know that upset you.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Another RWnut just today comes out against killing terrorists. Interesting.

Very very very very very interesting.

 

[rightwinger]

Did anyone care when Hitler died?

What difference did it make?

 

[pismoe]

just like this 'jihadi john' that was supposedly knocked off or plugged . So What , no big deal outside of the families that are probably glad to see 'jj' dead . Its just an emotional thing in my opinion but really means zilch !!

 

[pismoe]

would have preferred to see 'hitler' live , then be tried , found guilty and then hung !!

 

[NYcarbineer]

No.
Bush was right to de-emphasize Osama, knowing he was nothing more than a symbol, and bypassed by events and marginalized by US efforts.
.

It's funny you say that now, when back when Bin Laden was killed you said this:

"What did Obama do that was different from what Bush did? This operation was years in the making, going back to Bush's initiatives.
And when Bush hunted down terrorists and killed them the left could only moan about it."

So, in summary, when your ODS demanded you discredit the Obama administration's killing of Bin Laden,

you tried to attribute that success to Bush.

Today, when you decide to discredit Obama a different way, by claiming the killing of Bin Laden was worthless,

you try to praise Bush for ignoring Bin Laden.

Tell us, fucktard, which is it?

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[DarkFury]

Did anyone see the body? I never did. You would have thought with his EGO he would have given the body a parade. Who saw the body?

 

[pismoe]

woulda like to have seen 'osama' drugged and hauled back to the USA rather than being shot an then dumped into his very own part of the ocean which is now known as 'bay of osama' or some silly thing !!

 

[konradv]

Who saw the body?

Seal Team 6. You calling them liars?

 

[aaronleland]

You drudge up a years old event as an example of how ineffective Obama has been, but if Osama were still alive you would be using it as an example of how ineffective Obama has been. Don't say you wouldn't. His second term is almost over, and the world is far from the brink of Doomsday that many rightwingers predicted would happen by the end of his first term. The U.S. hasn't become a socialist utopia, and the Muslim Brotherhood hasn't taken over our government. Maybe quit wetting yourselves, and present some ideas of your own. Fucking batshit retards.

 

[The Rabbi]

Did anyone care when Hitler died?

What difference did it make?

Hitler was the head of state of our enemy. Once he died the Germans concluded a surrender.
Facts are not your friends, nutjobber.

 

[pismoe]

Who saw the body?

Seal Team 6. You calling them liars?

I never saw the body and that's ALL that matters to me Konradv !!

 

[rightwinger]

woulda like to have seen 'osama' drugged and hauled back to the USA rather than being shot an then dumped into his very own part of the ocean which is now known as 'bay of osama' or some silly thing !!

Sure make him a martyr and encourage more terrorist acts to free him

An anonymous grave in the middle of the ocean is the best place for him

 

[The Rabbi]

No.
Bush was right to de-emphasize Osama, knowing he was nothing more than a symbol, and bypassed by events and marginalized by US efforts.
.

It's funny you say that now, when back when Bin Laden was killed you said this:

"What did Obama do that was different from what Bush did? This operation was years in the making, going back to Bush's initiatives.
And when Bush hunted down terrorists and killed them the left could only moan about it."

So, in summary, when your ODS demanded you discredit the Obama administration's killing of Bin Laden,

you tried to attribute that success to Bush.

Today, when you decide to discredit Obama a different way, by claiming the killing of Bin Laden was worthless,

you try to praise Bush for ignoring Bin Laden.

Tell us, fucktard, which is it?

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All of what I wrote is true. You're too stupid to see that and think there is a contradiction.

 

[DarkFury]

Who saw the body?

Seal Team 6. You calling them liars?

Seal Team 6 is DEAD. Obama gave them up, who saw the body?

 

[pismoe]

woulda like to have seen 'osama' drugged and hauled back to the USA rather than being shot an then dumped into his very own part of the ocean which is now known as 'bay of osama' or some silly thing !!

Sure make him a martyr and encourage more terrorist acts to free him

An anonymous grave in the middle of the ocean is the best place for him

disagree RightWinger !!

 

[Asclepias]

Obama's big "win" in the war on terror, which he wont name, is his claim to killing Osama bin Laden. Maybe in his mind he personally executed him. I dont know.
But so what? What did that accomplish? Were terrorists dismantled as a result? Was there any demonstrable effect? Was America or Europe any safer?
No.
Bush was right to de-emphasize Osama, knowing he was nothing more than a symbol, and bypassed by events and marginalized by US efforts.
So without that accomplishment, what has Obama done to make this country safer? I mean other than groping 85 year old women at airports.

Seeing that Bush went not only after the wrong guy but the wrong country that was responsible for 9/11 what is confusing you about killing Osama?

 

[Decus]

Obama's big "win" in the war on terror, which he wont name, is his claim to killing Osama bin Laden. Maybe in his mind he personally executed him. I dont know.
But so what? What did that accomplish? Were terrorists dismantled as a result? Was there any demonstrable effect? Was America or Europe any safer?
No.
Bush was right to de-emphasize Osama, knowing he was nothing more than a symbol, and bypassed by events and marginalized by US efforts.
So without that accomplishment, what has Obama done to make this country safer? I mean other than groping 85 year old women at airports.

Does Obama have a strategy?

Obama did this in 2011:

"President Obama demanded Thursday that the embattled Libyan leader, Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, “step down from power and leave” immediately, and said he would consider a full range of options to stem the bloodshed there, though he did not commit the United States to any direct military action."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/04/world/africa/04president.html?_r=0

Now four years later (2015) Libya is here:

"All sides in Libya's multiple armed conflicts are committing breaches of international law that may amount to war crimes, including abductions, torture and the killing of civilians, according to a U.N. report."

Islamic State tightens grip in central Libya with executions: U.N.

ISIS holds sway over a large portion of Libya and things are getting worse by the day. You have to wonder if Obama knew this would be the result of ousting Qaddafi and didn't care or if he has a plan to make Libya whole again?

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[Clementine]

Obama's big "win" in the war on terror, which he wont name, is his claim to killing Osama bin Laden. Maybe in his mind he personally executed him. I dont know.
But so what? What did that accomplish? Were terrorists dismantled as a result? Was there any demonstrable effect? Was America or Europe any safer?
No.
Bush was right to de-emphasize Osama, knowing he was nothing more than a symbol, and bypassed by events and marginalized by US efforts.
So without that accomplishment, what has Obama done to make this country safer? I mean other than groping 85 year old women at airports.

Killing Osama, which Obama only gave the okay for because he was under pressure, was a retaliation. What we've been lax in is the prevention of future attacks. When Obama constantly makes claims that terrorism is under control, it means that he is not anticipating any trouble and that is the wrong attitude to take. How can we be prepared when he insists there is no real threat? Most of our efforts have been reactive, such as checking shoes at the airport after the shoe bomber attempted to blow up a plane. We are very bad when it comes to anticipating future attacks and the means by which they will infiltrate us.

Right now, it's becoming clear that terrorists are pretending to be refugees. Obama has decided to greatly increase the number of refugees we will take. This is another example off how we are being politically correct when we should be increasing security.

When an attack occurs, Obama is quick to label it as workplace violence rather than admit that radicals are among us and are ready to strike at the first opportunity. While it's been lone attackers lately, they all have things in common such as attending radical mosques and often posting anti-American and pro-ISIS comments on social media.

Bringing in tens of thousands of refugees and knowing that a certain percent are ISIS members is suicide.

The FBI has already admitted that there is no way to vet them and all they can ascertain is whether a person has a record with them. Most ISIS members will not. While the WH claims we have a fantastic vetting process, the truth is that there is scant information except for known terrorists who have been on the radar in the past. This means we just don't know who is who and it won't be clear until another attack occurs.

Obama first admitted he had no strategy and now says his strategy is working slowly and needs more time. From what I can see, his strategy is to be as nice as possible to ISIS and other terrorists and hope that they change. Or he is secretly rooting for them and is making it easier for them to infiltrate the homelands of the infidels, now called crusaders by ISIS.

Some states are already saying that the safety of their citizens are more important than some unknown people who may or may not be terrorists. Some states are refusing refugees and, of course, that has the Obama administration hurling accusations of Islamophobia. When in doubt, shouldn't we err on the side of caution rather than expose our people to terrorist attacks?

Our biggest problem when dealing with terrorism is that we remain reactive instead of proactive. That needs to change quickly and I am glad a few states are taking the lead to protect people.

Obama can beat his chest all his wants over his reluctant nod to the SEALS that allowed them to take out bid laden. Osama was quickly replaced and we need to deal with that before the next attack, not wait until after to react.