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I DO think it's a given, The establishment always manipulates the system to make sure it places in power the right folks. I just don't believe the retribution after the election part. They started focusing on 2020 the minute he was elected. So I think.And THAT is the problem. You actually think that the three branches of government are what controls policy and the culture of the nation. To a certain extent, but largely? Nah. . . . .I listened to about twenty seconds of this trash and just had to turn it off. The video is chum thrown out to the mindless conspiracy -minded Trumpists who control all three branches of government but can't help acting like whiny little bitches all the friggin time.
I don't know much about you, but I now folks like Windparadox and Oldlady aren't dumb, but they won't listen to this information with an open mind because they so loath Trump that they can't possibly even imagine that there are folks out there that also so loath Trump so much and more, that they would stoop to extra-legal means to ensure that he would not now occupy the position that he does.
AND YET THEY DID!
So that is the worry, if they have done it to him, what protections do we have that they won't do this, or haven't been doing this when ever they wish?
For me? It isn't a surprise at all. I have known that they have been doing this since the mid-nineties. The establishment always manipulates the system to make sure it places in power the right folks. This is, in essence, how and why redistricting works, and why there have been several ways to disenfranchise folks from voting.
It is just a shock that it didn't work this time. . .
A real shock. And now they want to use that "insurance policy?" Yet we oddly we have here a guy that is too dumb, or too brave, or doesn't give a damn what everyone thinks, or he is so detached from reality that he won't just go away?
I just don't know what to think anymore.
Naturally, his die hard fans just think he is brave as hell. . . . Who knows. And for Trump? Those are the only folks he cares about.
Not retribution, obstruction.
Actually, obstruction is not the right word. #Resist is what the bueracrats in these agencies are doing. They don't want to change the way things have always been done, and it has been admitted in the corporate press, and they are just doing their part. To deny they are using loathsome, extra-legal means, is to just deny reality, regardless of how little you think of the President.
His opponents in the Deep State even admitted what they were doing, it wasn't for revenge, it was for, "#RESISTANCE."
The Deep State agents at the Intel agencies are just part of that program.
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Unverified 'alternative' government accounts target Trump on Twitter - CNNPolitics
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It's pretty damn stupid to deny that it is happening when it is all around us.
amen to that.IF the OP is correct and that is a major IF,then there just might be some truth to his executive order he signed to purge the deep state and all these evil organizations.I personally think it was written just to get people to think he is different than Bush and Obama myself to give them hope he is their savior but from his actions,he globally at least,he has not done anything he said he would so at this point,I dont for a minute think he will follow through on the executive order.That it was just written down to again,make us all think he is for the people but is not.
I'm of the belief that you are both correct. I don't know if you read everything in post #12 but pay special attention to that article by Consortium News. It seems it will all have to do with who wins the mid-terms and timing. IOW, it is all up to YOU.
Not only are elements of the Shadow government at war with civil society, interest groups within that infrastructure are competing with each other, and with the structure of civil society for sources of funding as the foundations of that funding become increasingly more tenuous.
Ours is like the Roman Republic, or the Soviet Union at its height. Although it seems to be have lot of power, and is relatively well off, those contributing to its success are sabotaging it's future. It is a house of cards because of the corruptions of corporations.
I found this a good resource that brings together several research resources detailing the conflict with in the Deep State, and with the Public State. It gives us a clue why this administration obfuscates on releasing many things it otherwise should if it really were just an enemy of these agencies, when, it isn't. It is allied with them.
Trump's speech to the CIA in 2017 was illuminating. There was some subtext that was missed if you didn't pay special attention. I noted they took it down in many places.
Both Wikileaks and Snowden are limited hangouts, in all probability. But, they feed to different interests of these groups, otherwise, they would have only needed one.
Never be under the illusion that this president, or that president, is the good one, or this one is the bad one. They all have to be allied with some powerful interests to get in there. All of them are crooked in some way. At least at the time they were elected they were.
Deep State
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The Deep State