Paid time off for me, no paid time off for you.

[Andylusion]

And? should people not try to continue as normal as possible? should those who can work during this problem NOT work just to make life "fair"?

again you go after the extreme and act as it should be treated the same. it shouldn't. that's why it's extreme.

What I noted is NOT the extreme. The rates have been crushing the retired who saved money to retire on for a long time now.

The markets are irrational and extreme but we allow them to lead the country.

There is nothing irrational or extreme. You not knowing the reasons behind price changes, does not mean there is no rational to it.

You being ignorant, does not mean everyone else must be irrational, since you don't know the reason for their actions.

As far as complaining that the retired who saved money, are being crushed.... I find your comment ironic, since you yourself are the one supporting crushing the retired.

Do you know where most 401Ks and IRAs, pension funds, and annuities, are all invested in? Stocks. Which you just complained that shareholders should make do with less....

So while you are sitting here complaining that retired people who saved are being crushed, you turn right around and advocate they make do with less.

It's all weighted to stocks. That should NOT be the case. It should be balanced. Now the markets are wanting to steal from them with negative rates. Look at what the markets are doing?

You can't blame people for wanting nothing to do with them.

It's funny how taxation is theft but negative rates won't be.

You are speaking incoherently.

What do you mean the markets are 'stealing from them'? How does a stock, steal from you? As long as the company keeps paying dividends, then you are not losing anything.

Additionally, negative interest rates, just means you should be even more in favor of companies paying dividends to shareholders, and encouraging more people to invest in stocks.

That's the whole point but you know that. I have no desire to chase your feigned ignorance.

Well I proved you wrong. So, you are the one in ignorance. You claimed interest rates were negative. I provided direct links to banks providing positive interest rates.

So, you lost the argument. If you losing an argument, is me feigning ignorance, then you have not only lost the argument, but disqualified yourself from being in an argument.

 

[Andylusion]

Well again... it's because there are economic consequences for guaranteeing a benefit.

And again: there are economic consequences for NOT offering this benefit

So yes, it's complicated. Gaetz managed to simplify it down to one little shameless lie. I hope a dog bites his balls. I can't stand that puke.

Well of course. There are consequences to any action.

I think the only mythology I'd like to avoid, is that offering benefits, does not automatically result in returns.

Meaning, if I am in a low-value low-margin industry, and the cost of benefits is high, relative to the value of the labor... then offering benefits doesn't have a pay off.

It doesn't matter at all, what the consequences are of not offering a benefit, if the cost of the benefit results in going bankrupt.

And just in case someone on this thread tries to complain because they look at corporate profits.... again it does not matter what the corporate profits are, if the store is not making those profits.

That's how any chain works. Each Wendy's for example, is a completely separate business operation.

I found this out, when I was working at a Wendy's in college, and reports came out that Wendy's Corp had posted huge profits. All these employees were wandering around the store complaining that they should make more money, because Wendy's Corp posted a huge profit.

The problem was, the store were working at, had just posted a loss the prior month. That store, has to make their own money, to pay their own employees, or they go bankrupt. Doesn't matter what Wendy's Corp does.

This is why the CEO of McDonald's at one point came out in favor of raising the minimum wage. Well wouldn't raising the minimum wage hurt McDonald's Corp? No, not really. It would hurt individual stores. Now eventually as stores closed, and all the employees laid off, that reduction in the stores, might hurt McDonald's bottom line, but only after it destroyed the jobs of thousands of employees.

If the store itself, doesn't have the money to pay out more benefits, it doesn't matter what profits the Corp posts. That store will close.

Each store has to make a profit. It must. And it does not matter what the consequences of not providing a benefit is, if the store can't afford that benefit.

Being unemployed, is worse, than being employed with low benefits.

 

[iceberg]

What I noted is NOT the extreme. The rates have been crushing the retired who saved money to retire on for a long time now.

The markets are irrational and extreme but we allow them to lead the country.

There is nothing irrational or extreme. You not knowing the reasons behind price changes, does not mean there is no rational to it.

You being ignorant, does not mean everyone else must be irrational, since you don't know the reason for their actions.

As far as complaining that the retired who saved money, are being crushed.... I find your comment ironic, since you yourself are the one supporting crushing the retired.

Do you know where most 401Ks and IRAs, pension funds, and annuities, are all invested in? Stocks. Which you just complained that shareholders should make do with less....

So while you are sitting here complaining that retired people who saved are being crushed, you turn right around and advocate they make do with less.

It's all weighted to stocks. That should NOT be the case. It should be balanced. Now the markets are wanting to steal from them with negative rates. Look at what the markets are doing?

You can't blame people for wanting nothing to do with them.

It's funny how taxation is theft but negative rates won't be.

For most people, taxes are not optional. Business and investment are. When you invest, you understand you can make some money, make a lot of money, and lose money too. Neither is guaranteed. If you don't want to take that risk, then you simply go to work every morning and hope to make enough to retire on.

Some people want more. Some people dream of working for themselves, retiring early, and yes, perhaps become very wealthy, but that takes risk. The larger the risk, the likely larger payout if you succeed.

Going to work is not a risk. Your job was created by others who took that risk so you could have that job. I took a risk by being invested in that market, and it's failing lately. Not a problem because I have faith in the system, and it will recover once again. I took a risk by land investment, and it's pretty stable right now. It doesn't mean it can't fail, but again, that's what investments are all about.

We just had a coal miner that went to work the other day and was killed. Screw your "no risk".

Tell his family that. I imagine you'll find yourself picking your teeth off the ground.

We are talking about investments, and you went from investments, to work place accidents.

There is nothing comparable between them.

A coal miner is not taking his life savings, and investment $2 Million dollars of his earnings, and putting it into investing in a coal mine.

IF he did, he would get a return on his investment. Or risk losing his investment.

You can't just mindlessly swap out that context of risk, and then say you can die at a risky job, so it's the same thing. It's not the same thing, and quite frankly, this is a dumb argument, because coal mines are paid darn good money these days.

My last CEO, worked as an low-mid level engineer for 10 years. When the company owner decided to close the company, this mid-level engineer, went to the CEO and made an offer of $5 Million. He mortgaged his house, he mortgaged his parents home, cashed in his entire 401K, and then borrowed the rest, in order to buy the company.

If the company fails, he loses his home, his parents lose their home, he is out his entire life savings, and he'll owe hundreds of thousands of dollars in a loan.

That is the kind of financial risk that we are talking about. That is why the company owners make the big bucks. That is why shareholders get a cut of the company profits.

Because if they don't... that company simply would be closed right now. You think anyone is going to take that kind of risk, if they can't make a huge pay off? Of course not. No one would.

So there simply would be no company, no dozens of jobs created, no products produced, and you wouldn't have any low-wage workers to complain about them not getting as much as the CEO, because there would not be any low wage employees. They would all be unemployed today, instead of earning a wage.

But whether you agree with those facts of life or not, stop with this toddler level logic, swapping out financial risk with personal injury risk. They are not the same, and not interchangeable. Apples and oranges. Adults should be able to realize there is a difference in context.

He wants to be the champion of the unsung.

 

[pknopp]

What I noted is NOT the extreme. The rates have been crushing the retired who saved money to retire on for a long time now.

The markets are irrational and extreme but we allow them to lead the country.

There is nothing irrational or extreme. You not knowing the reasons behind price changes, does not mean there is no rational to it.

You being ignorant, does not mean everyone else must be irrational, since you don't know the reason for their actions.

As far as complaining that the retired who saved money, are being crushed.... I find your comment ironic, since you yourself are the one supporting crushing the retired.

Do you know where most 401Ks and IRAs, pension funds, and annuities, are all invested in? Stocks. Which you just complained that shareholders should make do with less....

So while you are sitting here complaining that retired people who saved are being crushed, you turn right around and advocate they make do with less.

It's all weighted to stocks. That should NOT be the case. It should be balanced. Now the markets are wanting to steal from them with negative rates. Look at what the markets are doing?

You can't blame people for wanting nothing to do with them.

It's funny how taxation is theft but negative rates won't be.

For most people, taxes are not optional. Business and investment are. When you invest, you understand you can make some money, make a lot of money, and lose money too. Neither is guaranteed. If you don't want to take that risk, then you simply go to work every morning and hope to make enough to retire on.

Some people want more. Some people dream of working for themselves, retiring early, and yes, perhaps become very wealthy, but that takes risk. The larger the risk, the likely larger payout if you succeed.

Going to work is not a risk. Your job was created by others who took that risk so you could have that job. I took a risk by being invested in that market, and it's failing lately. Not a problem because I have faith in the system, and it will recover once again. I took a risk by land investment, and it's pretty stable right now. It doesn't mean it can't fail, but again, that's what investments are all about.

We just had a coal miner that went to work the other day and was killed. Screw your "no risk".

Tell his family that. I imagine you'll find yourself picking your teeth off the ground.

We are talking about investments, and you went from investments, to work place accidents.

No, I was taking about the needs of employers being met before the needs of shareholders being met.

 

[pknopp]

That's what everyone does. Get a mirror.

Not everyone. I try to find common ground and compromises. Not build, the world to my views only.

Compromises is an equitable system. What I am calling for.

by bitching people are not doing things YOUR way and shoving strawmen on me to argue against?

hardly.

If we were doing my thing the markets would collapse. I would make them live up to their "capitalistic standards" and if they did that they would collapse.

What are you smoking? How would you change anything, so that the markets would collapse by living up to capitalist standards? How?

It wouldn't get "bailed out". There is no bailing out in capitalism.

 

[pknopp]

What I noted is NOT the extreme. The rates have been crushing the retired who saved money to retire on for a long time now.

The markets are irrational and extreme but we allow them to lead the country.

There is nothing irrational or extreme. You not knowing the reasons behind price changes, does not mean there is no rational to it.

You being ignorant, does not mean everyone else must be irrational, since you don't know the reason for their actions.

As far as complaining that the retired who saved money, are being crushed.... I find your comment ironic, since you yourself are the one supporting crushing the retired.

Do you know where most 401Ks and IRAs, pension funds, and annuities, are all invested in? Stocks. Which you just complained that shareholders should make do with less....

So while you are sitting here complaining that retired people who saved are being crushed, you turn right around and advocate they make do with less.

It's all weighted to stocks. That should NOT be the case. It should be balanced. Now the markets are wanting to steal from them with negative rates. Look at what the markets are doing?

You can't blame people for wanting nothing to do with them.

It's funny how taxation is theft but negative rates won't be.

You are speaking incoherently.

What do you mean the markets are 'stealing from them'? How does a stock, steal from you? As long as the company keeps paying dividends, then you are not losing anything.

Additionally, negative interest rates, just means you should be even more in favor of companies paying dividends to shareholders, and encouraging more people to invest in stocks.

That's the whole point but you know that. I have no desire to chase your feigned ignorance.

Well I proved you wrong. So, you are the one in ignorance. You claimed interest rates were negative.

I wish I didn't have to deal with so much dishonesty. I never said rates are negative. I said the markets want negative rates. Trump called for negative rates.

 

[Dana7360]

GOP LAWMAKER WHO VOTED AGAINST PAID SICK LEAVE IN FLORIDA TAKES PAID LEAVE FROM CONGRESS

Gaetz Voted Against Florida Paid Sick Leave. He’s Using It in Congress.

As the article notes, he isn't even sick but he is still going to take time off, all paid for by the taxpayers.

He shouldn't have paid leave either.

Paid leave is a part of any package negotiated between employer and employee.
Congress has no business dictating someones employment package.

We live in a society. People who get sick still have to eat and have electricity. Those who get sick will get paid one way or the other, the employer or taxpayer.

I have missed MANY DAYS of work in my lifetime. Neither the government or my customers paid me anyhow.

Responsible people prepare for emergencies.

How can a person prepare for an emergency when they are paid 7.25 an hour?

Be realistic here.

Along with sick leave, the minimum wage should be raised. It has not been increased since the bush boy years.

Did you ever think that if people were paid a living wage they would be able to prepare for an emergency and wouldn't need any public assistance?

 

[Dana7360]

Last fall I missed a little over a week with a terrible flu.
Then later in the same month the typical slow season kicked in.
In total I typically miss 3 to 6 weeks of work EVERY WINTER and somehow I still manage WITHOUT seeking government money.

It's called preparing for bad times. Saving money. Being responsible.

If I had to pay my employees for missed work that cost would be passed on to my customers in the form of higher bids.

You people use circular logic.

The government isn't paying the sick leave.

Employers will.

You actually believe that tax dollars pay wages for employers in our nation.

Wow.

 

[hadit]

GOP LAWMAKER WHO VOTED AGAINST PAID SICK LEAVE IN FLORIDA TAKES PAID LEAVE FROM CONGRESS

Gaetz Voted Against Florida Paid Sick Leave. He’s Using It in Congress.

As the article notes, he isn't even sick but he is still going to take time off, all paid for by the taxpayers.

He shouldn't have paid leave either.

Paid leave is a part of any package negotiated between employer and employee.
Congress has no business dictating someones employment package.

We live in a society. People who get sick still have to eat and have electricity. Those who get sick will get paid one way or the other, the employer or taxpayer.

I have missed MANY DAYS of work in my lifetime. Neither the government or my customers paid me anyhow.

Responsible people prepare for emergencies.

How can a person prepare for an emergency when they are paid 7.25 an hour?

Be realistic here.

Along with sick leave, the minimum wage should be raised. It has not been increased since the bush boy years.

Did you ever think that if people were paid a living wage they would be able to prepare for an emergency and wouldn't need any public assistance?

A "living wage" WOULD be public assistance if the job isn't worth that much, because if the employer loses money on it, the job disappears, unless the taxpayer makes up the difference.

 

[pknopp]

GOP LAWMAKER WHO VOTED AGAINST PAID SICK LEAVE IN FLORIDA TAKES PAID LEAVE FROM CONGRESS

Gaetz Voted Against Florida Paid Sick Leave. He’s Using It in Congress.

As the article notes, he isn't even sick but he is still going to take time off, all paid for by the taxpayers.

He shouldn't have paid leave either.

Paid leave is a part of any package negotiated between employer and employee.
Congress has no business dictating someones employment package.

We live in a society. People who get sick still have to eat and have electricity. Those who get sick will get paid one way or the other, the employer or taxpayer.

I have missed MANY DAYS of work in my lifetime. Neither the government or my customers paid me anyhow.

Responsible people prepare for emergencies.

How can a person prepare for an emergency when they are paid 7.25 an hour?

Be realistic here.

Along with sick leave, the minimum wage should be raised. It has not been increased since the bush boy years.

Did you ever think that if people were paid a living wage they would be able to prepare for an emergency and wouldn't need any public assistance?

A "living wage" WOULD be public assistance if the job isn't worth that much, because if the employer loses money on it, the job disappears, unless the taxpayer makes up the difference.

The taxpayer does make up the difference in the many public assistance programs. They are corporate socialism.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

How can a person prepare for an emergency when they are paid 7.25 an hour?

Be realistic here.

I live in the KC metro and even the gas stations start out pay at between 10 & 11.

ANYONE working for minimum wage is an idiot and has no one to blame but themselves.

 

[pknopp]

How can a person prepare for an emergency when they are paid 7.25 an hour?

Be realistic here.

I live in the KC metro and even the gas stations start out pay at between 10 & 11.

ANYONE working for minimum wage is an idiot and has no one to blame but themselves.

A quick search notes that an average 1 bedroom apt rents for $742 a month. So considering taxes working for $10 an hour, two weeks pay won't even cover rent.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

How can a person prepare for an emergency when they are paid 7.25 an hour?

Be realistic here.

I live in the KC metro and even the gas stations start out pay at between 10 & 11.

ANYONE working for minimum wage is an idiot and has no one to blame but themselves.

A quick search notes that an average 1 bedroom apt rents for $742 a month. So considering taxes working for $10 an hour, two weeks pay won't even cover rent.

Which illustrates the real problem. Younger people today feel no need to work over 40 hours a week.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

GOP LAWMAKER WHO VOTED AGAINST PAID SICK LEAVE IN FLORIDA TAKES PAID LEAVE FROM CONGRESS

Gaetz Voted Against Florida Paid Sick Leave. He’s Using It in Congress.

As the article notes, he isn't even sick but he is still going to take time off, all paid for by the taxpayers.

He shouldn't have paid leave either.

Paid leave is a part of any package negotiated between employer and employee.
Congress has no business dictating someones employment package.

We live in a society. People who get sick still have to eat and have electricity. Those who get sick will get paid one way or the other, the employer or taxpayer.

I have missed MANY DAYS of work in my lifetime. Neither the government or my customers paid me anyhow.

Responsible people prepare for emergencies.

How can a person prepare for an emergency when they are paid 7.25 an hour?

Be realistic here.

Along with sick leave, the minimum wage should be raised. It has not been increased since the bush boy years.

Did you ever think that if people were paid a living wage they would be able to prepare for an emergency and wouldn't need any public assistance?

When wages increase, so does the cost of everything around you, so within a year or so, you find yourself right back in the same place you are today.

 

[initforme]

$10 an hour isn't much either. That's called barely scraping by.

 

[pknopp]

How can a person prepare for an emergency when they are paid 7.25 an hour?

Be realistic here.

I live in the KC metro and even the gas stations start out pay at between 10 & 11.

ANYONE working for minimum wage is an idiot and has no one to blame but themselves.

A quick search notes that an average 1 bedroom apt rents for $742 a month. So considering taxes working for $10 an hour, two weeks pay won't even cover rent.

Which illustrates the real problem. Younger people today feel no need to work over 40 hours a week.

Lol....because gas stations regularly offer overtime.

 

[pknopp]

GOP LAWMAKER WHO VOTED AGAINST PAID SICK LEAVE IN FLORIDA TAKES PAID LEAVE FROM CONGRESS

Gaetz Voted Against Florida Paid Sick Leave. He’s Using It in Congress.

As the article notes, he isn't even sick but he is still going to take time off, all paid for by the taxpayers.

He shouldn't have paid leave either.

Paid leave is a part of any package negotiated between employer and employee.
Congress has no business dictating someones employment package.

We live in a society. People who get sick still have to eat and have electricity. Those who get sick will get paid one way or the other, the employer or taxpayer.

I have missed MANY DAYS of work in my lifetime. Neither the government or my customers paid me anyhow.

Responsible people prepare for emergencies.

How can a person prepare for an emergency when they are paid 7.25 an hour?

Be realistic here.

Along with sick leave, the minimum wage should be raised. It has not been increased since the bush boy years.

Did you ever think that if people were paid a living wage they would be able to prepare for an emergency and wouldn't need any public assistance?

When wages increase, so does the cost of everything around you, so within a year or so, you find yourself right back in the same place you are today.

Rent has gone up. Wages didn't.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Well of course.

Yet you didn't mention it. So I had to do so.

We are woefully unprepared on every level. We're going into a recession with rates at zero, huge deficits, and poor leadership. Not good.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

He shouldn't have paid leave either.

Paid leave is a part of any package negotiated between employer and employee.
Congress has no business dictating someones employment package.

We live in a society. People who get sick still have to eat and have electricity. Those who get sick will get paid one way or the other, the employer or taxpayer.

I have missed MANY DAYS of work in my lifetime. Neither the government or my customers paid me anyhow.

Responsible people prepare for emergencies.

How can a person prepare for an emergency when they are paid 7.25 an hour?

Be realistic here.

Along with sick leave, the minimum wage should be raised. It has not been increased since the bush boy years.

Did you ever think that if people were paid a living wage they would be able to prepare for an emergency and wouldn't need any public assistance?

When wages increase, so does the cost of everything around you, so within a year or so, you find yourself right back in the same place you are today.

Rent has gone up. Wages didn't.

Are wages supposed to go up with rent? Where is that written?

 

[justoffal]

GOP LAWMAKER WHO VOTED AGAINST PAID SICK LEAVE IN FLORIDA TAKES PAID LEAVE FROM CONGRESS

Gaetz Voted Against Florida Paid Sick Leave. He’s Using It in Congress.

As the article notes, he isn't even sick but he is still going to take time off, all paid for by the taxpayers.

Duplicate thread, and it’s been debunked. He isn’t against paid leave. He voted to stop cities from mandating their own paid sick leave demands on companies because we already have state and federal laws that do.

Do these asxsholes ever stop lying?

Jo