Palestine Today

[rylah]

Control of borders by Egypt an Israel because Hamas activities endanger their security is no occupation. It's a normal conduct of civilized states.

There's a reason to why Egypt is jamming all Gaza telecommunications in the last weeks - the Caliphate forces from Sinai within Gaza. This chaos serves Hamas, and only Hamas, not the average Gazan citizen.

Hamas is no threat to Egypt. Hamas and Egypt are fighting the same people.

Is that why Egypt is on the verge of installing their own police in Gaza?
Hamas is Muslim Brotherhood - Egypt's main enemy after Iran. Hamas is aligned with both.
Egypt also sees them as responsible for all arms trafficking from Sinai.

That is what they say.

Neither of them tell Hamas what to do.

Of course they do - couple of last months have proved that everything that goes in Gaza today is coordinated with Hezballah and Iran.

That ducks my post.

How?
Iran- Hezballah and Hamas have openly declared their cooperation. Nothing they do is uncoordinated with Iran.

Now go tell me birds pee in a rainbow.

 

[rylah]

Hamas is no threat to Egypt. Hamas and Egypt are fighting the same people.

Is that why Egypt is on the verge of installing their own police in Gaza?
Hamas is Muslim Brotherhood - Egypt's main enemy after Iran. Hamas is aligned with both.
Egypt also sees them as responsible for all arms trafficking from Sinai.

That is what they say.

Neither of them tell Hamas what to do.

Of course they do - couple of last months have proved that everything that goes in Gaza today is coordinated with Hezballah and Iran.

That ducks my post.

How?
Iran- Hezballah and Hamas have openly declared their cooperation. Nothing they do is uncoordinated with Iran.

Now go tell me birds pee in a rainbow.

P F Tinmore You really don't understand what's going on in the region right now do You?
And what side did Hamas choose to align with...they're suicidal, allied with everyones' enemy in the region and think everyone owes them something beyond a bullet in the head.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Is that why Egypt is on the verge of installing their own police in Gaza?
Hamas is Muslim Brotherhood - Egypt's main enemy after Iran. Hamas is aligned with both.
Egypt also sees them as responsible for all arms trafficking from Sinai.

That is what they say.

Neither of them tell Hamas what to do.

Of course they do - couple of last months have proved that everything that goes in Gaza today is coordinated with Hezballah and Iran.

That ducks my post.

How?
Iran- Hezballah and Hamas have openly declared their cooperation. Nothing they do is uncoordinated with Iran.

Now go tell me birds pee in a rainbow.

P F Tinmore You really don't understand what's going on in the region right now do You?
And what side did Hamas choose to align with...they're suicidal, allied with everyones' enemy in the region and think everyone owes them something beyond a bullet in the head.

Hamas is not the enemy of anyone in the region.

 

[rylah]

That is what they say.

Neither of them tell Hamas what to do.

Of course they do - couple of last months have proved that everything that goes in Gaza today is coordinated with Hezballah and Iran.

That ducks my post.

How?
Iran- Hezballah and Hamas have openly declared their cooperation. Nothing they do is uncoordinated with Iran.

Now go tell me birds pee in a rainbow.

P F Tinmore You really don't understand what's going on in the region right now do You?
And what side did Hamas choose to align with...they're suicidal, allied with everyones' enemy in the region and think everyone owes them something beyond a bullet in the head.

Hamas is not the enemy of anyone in the region.

Gaza - Egypt border:

 

[P F Tinmore]

Of course they do - couple of last months have proved that everything that goes in Gaza today is coordinated with Hezballah and Iran.

That ducks my post.

How?
Iran- Hezballah and Hamas have openly declared their cooperation. Nothing they do is uncoordinated with Iran.

Now go tell me birds pee in a rainbow.

P F Tinmore You really don't understand what's going on in the region right now do You?
And what side did Hamas choose to align with...they're suicidal, allied with everyones' enemy in the region and think everyone owes them something beyond a bullet in the head.

Hamas is not the enemy of anyone in the region.

Gaza - Egypt border:

It doesn't say who is shooting or why.

 

[rylah]

That ducks my post.

How?
Iran- Hezballah and Hamas have openly declared their cooperation. Nothing they do is uncoordinated with Iran.

Now go tell me birds pee in a rainbow.

P F Tinmore You really don't understand what's going on in the region right now do You?
And what side did Hamas choose to align with...they're suicidal, allied with everyones' enemy in the region and think everyone owes them something beyond a bullet in the head.

Hamas is not the enemy of anyone in the region.

Gaza - Egypt border:

It doesn't say who is shooting or why.

It says "an attempt at trafficking footage from the Egyptian side".
this is a thing that goes on a weekly basis.

The shots are usually a signal between groups on the border to communicate about army presence.
In this case it lead them to being compromised. Not a week goes by without such attempt to smuggle drugs and weapons from Sinai to Gaza.

How much longer do You think Egypt is willing to bear that?

 

[Hollie]

That is what they say.

Neither of them tell Hamas what to do.

Of course they do - couple of last months have proved that everything that goes in Gaza today is coordinated with Hezballah and Iran.

That ducks my post.

How?
Iran- Hezballah and Hamas have openly declared their cooperation. Nothing they do is uncoordinated with Iran.

Now go tell me birds pee in a rainbow.

P F Tinmore You really don't understand what's going on in the region right now do You?
And what side did Hamas choose to align with...they're suicidal, allied with everyones' enemy in the region and think everyone owes them something beyond a bullet in the head.

Hamas is not the enemy of anyone in the region.

Except for fatah, and the Egyptians, and the israelis. Did I miss anyone?

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

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[rylah]

For fear of assassination: Hamas seeks Iranian aid for the release of a missile engineer

According to Hamas sources, the movement has recently increased its dependence on Iran in terms of receiving financial aid and weapons, and the reconciliation process with Fatah failed and received its "death blow" after the assassination attempt on Prime Minister Rami Hamdallah Did not succeed in toppling Mahmoud Abbas and "selling" him the Hezbollah model in Lebanon and now it has to deal with the heavy economic sanctions imposed by Mahmoud Abbas on the Gaza Strip.

This week we received further proof of the close ties between Hamas and Iran.

According to a March 26 report in the Lebanese newspaper Al-Akhbar, which is affiliated with Hezbollah, Hamas asked Iran to mediate with the Iraqi authorities in order to bring about the release of the Iraqi scientist Taha Al-Jaburi, a member of the military wing of the detained movement In the Iraqi prison.

 

[Shusha]

The point is that Israel will still control everything. So how is anything going to improve?

SOMEBODY has to control things. Somebody has to provide the citizens of Gaza with basic needs like electricity and clean water and sewers and medical supplies and concrete for houses and hospitals and schools.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

The problem in Gaza is not a shortage of resources. The humanitarian problems in Gaza are a direct result of resources being shifted to terrorism. (blah, blah, blah, "resistance", whatever).

The problem in Gaza is not Israeli "control" (which is minimal) but Hamas' control.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

Do you mean the water that Israel destroyed, or the schools that Israel bombed, or the homes and hospitals that Israel bombed, or the electricity that Israel bombed?

Indeed, Israel has been a great help.

You are foolishly arguing that continuing to put resources towards arms smuggling and tunnels in a futile attempt to destroy Israel is an improvement over working with Israel to provide water, sewage treatment, electricity, trade and employment opportunities to the citizens of Gaza.

Madness.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The point is that Israel will still control everything. So how is anything going to improve?

SOMEBODY has to control things. Somebody has to provide the citizens of Gaza with basic needs like electricity and clean water and sewers and medical supplies and concrete for houses and hospitals and schools.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

The problem in Gaza is not a shortage of resources. The humanitarian problems in Gaza are a direct result of resources being shifted to terrorism. (blah, blah, blah, "resistance", whatever).

The problem in Gaza is not Israeli "control" (which is minimal) but Hamas' control.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

Do you mean the water that Israel destroyed, or the schools that Israel bombed, or the homes and hospitals that Israel bombed, or the electricity that Israel bombed?

Indeed, Israel has been a great help.

You are foolishly arguing that continuing to put resources towards arms smuggling and tunnels in a futile attempt to destroy Israel is an improvement over working with Israel to provide water, sewage treatment, electricity, trade and employment opportunities to the citizens of Gaza.

Madness.

Israel wants its siege. It doesn't matter what the Palestinians do.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Hollie]

The point is that Israel will still control everything. So how is anything going to improve?

SOMEBODY has to control things. Somebody has to provide the citizens of Gaza with basic needs like electricity and clean water and sewers and medical supplies and concrete for houses and hospitals and schools.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

The problem in Gaza is not a shortage of resources. The humanitarian problems in Gaza are a direct result of resources being shifted to terrorism. (blah, blah, blah, "resistance", whatever).

The problem in Gaza is not Israeli "control" (which is minimal) but Hamas' control.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

Do you mean the water that Israel destroyed, or the schools that Israel bombed, or the homes and hospitals that Israel bombed, or the electricity that Israel bombed?

Indeed, Israel has been a great help.

You are foolishly arguing that continuing to put resources towards arms smuggling and tunnels in a futile attempt to destroy Israel is an improvement over working with Israel to provide water, sewage treatment, electricity, trade and employment opportunities to the citizens of Gaza.

Madness.

Israel wants its siege. It doesn't matter what the Palestinians do.

I see nothing to indicate Israel wants a siege. You have an identifiable pattern of making statements you cannot support.

 

[Hollie]

Killing jews and advancing the 7th century musings of an Arab-warlord is far more important than education for girls in the ummah.

 

[Shusha]

It doesn't matter what the Palestinians do.

Palestinian mentality. "We are helpless and no matter what we do those evil Joooooos are going to get us." Give me a break.

Of course! it matters what the Palestinians do. You are trying to tell me that if Gazans stopped "resisting" (code for violent behaviour) and channeled all their resources and aide from the international community into clean water and sewage treatment and electricity and trade and employment opportunities and nice hotels and tourism that the lives of Gazans would NOT improve?

Madness.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, Shusha, et al,

This is another case where the Arab Palestinians are trying to make a case based on emotion and not on acts in the furtherance of peace ⇒ with the restoration of public order and safety.

In this case the complaint of "siege" → is an operation, → in which the requirements of the Hague Regulation, International Humanitarian Law under Article 43, → conducted within that territory that was abandon into the hands of the Israeli Government, with the aim of forcing Jihadist, the Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric fighter to surrender; adopting a peaceful posture. Such Article 43 operations include those actions conducted to prevent "criminal acts" directed against Israel (or any other State) → intended or calculated to create a state of terror in the minds of particular persons (Israelis) or any group of persons or populations.

You are foolishly arguing that continuing to put resources towards arms smuggling and tunnels in a futile attempt to destroy Israel is an improvement over working with Israel to provide water, sewage treatment, electricity, trade and employment opportunities to the citizens of Gaza.

Madness.

Israel wants its siege. It doesn't matter what the Palestinians do.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians maintain a mistaken belief and strong conviction that they are the victims in the conflict; that they are the aggrieved party and defending their nation; harmed by the Jewish People (State of Israel). The Arab Palestinians, among other concepts, justify the current nature of their struggle against Israel, in terms of the liberation of the entirety of the territory to with the Order in Council applied in 1922 --- what they call Palestine. The armed struggle, while granting legitimacy to the existence and activity of the “struggle organizations” – namely, the Palestinian terror organizations and their activity.

No matter what the belief --- held by the Arab Palestinians, the central issue for the Israelis is the furtherance of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of the Jewish People. This includes the striking the necessary political posture to protect against credible threats or the use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of The State of Israel; The Jewish National Homeland.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, Shusha, et al,

This is another case where the Arab Palestinians are trying to make a case based on emotion and not on acts in the furtherance of peace ⇒ with the restoration of public order and safety.

In this case the complaint of "siege" → is an operation, → in which the requirements of the Hague Regulation, International Humanitarian Law under Article 43, → conducted within that territory that was abandon into the hands of the Israeli Government, with the aim of forcing Jihadist, the Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric fighter to surrender; adopting a peaceful posture. Such Article 43 operations include those actions conducted to prevent "criminal acts" directed against Israel (or any other State) → intended or calculated to create a state of terror in the minds of particular persons (Israelis) or any group of persons or populations.

You are foolishly arguing that continuing to put resources towards arms smuggling and tunnels in a futile attempt to destroy Israel is an improvement over working with Israel to provide water, sewage treatment, electricity, trade and employment opportunities to the citizens of Gaza.

Madness.

Israel wants its siege. It doesn't matter what the Palestinians do.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians maintain a mistaken belief and strong conviction that they are the victims in the conflict; that they are the aggrieved party and defending their nation; harmed by the Jewish People (State of Israel). The Arab Palestinians, among other concepts, justify the current nature of their struggle against Israel, in terms of the liberation of the entirety of the territory to with the Order in Council applied in 1922 --- what they call Palestine. The armed struggle, while granting legitimacy to the existence and activity of the “struggle organizations” – namely, the Palestinian terror organizations and their activity.

No matter what the belief --- held by the Arab Palestinians, the central issue for the Israelis is the furtherance of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of the Jewish People. This includes the striking the necessary political posture to protect against credible threats or the use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of The State of Israel; The Jewish National Homeland.

Most Respectfully,
R

Are you still pimping that terrorist crap?

 

[rylah]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, Shusha, et al,

This is another case where the Arab Palestinians are trying to make a case based on emotion and not on acts in the furtherance of peace ⇒ with the restoration of public order and safety.

In this case the complaint of "siege" → is an operation, → in which the requirements of the Hague Regulation, International Humanitarian Law under Article 43, → conducted within that territory that was abandon into the hands of the Israeli Government, with the aim of forcing Jihadist, the Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric fighter to surrender; adopting a peaceful posture. Such Article 43 operations include those actions conducted to prevent "criminal acts" directed against Israel (or any other State) → intended or calculated to create a state of terror in the minds of particular persons (Israelis) or any group of persons or populations.

You are foolishly arguing that continuing to put resources towards arms smuggling and tunnels in a futile attempt to destroy Israel is an improvement over working with Israel to provide water, sewage treatment, electricity, trade and employment opportunities to the citizens of Gaza.

Madness.

Israel wants its siege. It doesn't matter what the Palestinians do.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians maintain a mistaken belief and strong conviction that they are the victims in the conflict; that they are the aggrieved party and defending their nation; harmed by the Jewish People (State of Israel). The Arab Palestinians, among other concepts, justify the current nature of their struggle against Israel, in terms of the liberation of the entirety of the territory to with the Order in Council applied in 1922 --- what they call Palestine. The armed struggle, while granting legitimacy to the existence and activity of the “struggle organizations” – namely, the Palestinian terror organizations and their activity.

No matter what the belief --- held by the Arab Palestinians, the central issue for the Israelis is the furtherance of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of the Jewish People. This includes the striking the necessary political posture to protect against credible threats or the use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of The State of Israel; The Jewish National Homeland.

Most Respectfully,
R

Are you still pimping that terrorist crap?

He's spot on, and that's why You can't refute anything rationally.

Q.Since when did #BDS-holes become terrorism experts?