Palestine Today

[rylah]

Hence the request for an explanation. You CAN write a coherent argument for your position, can't you? Or do you just post senseless videos?

The point is that Israel will still control everything. So how is anything going to improve?

Any new reagional arrangement for Gaza will inevitably go through coordination with Israel and Egypt.
This is a natural order of things for any govt that wants effective independence - enter into formal relations with the neighbors.

Nobody owes them anything -the job of improving Gaza is on Hamas.

All we have to do is get Israel's fat ass out of the way so that the Palestinians can rebuild their own economy.

How much UNRWA money went into Abbas palace and jet?
How much ended up in Arafat swiss account?
How much ended up in Hamas pockets?
One fact #BDS-holes don't like is that Palestinian economy 78% reliable on Israel.

How do You imagine the immediate transition while having no coordination in regards to their neighbors?

One fact #BDS-holes don't like is that Palestinian economy 78% reliable on Israel.

Before Israel they were 0% reliable on Israel and they were much better off.

Sophistry. Before Israel they were reliant on the Ottomans and Egyptians, and riding donkeys.
You'r argument is absurd.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The point is that Israel will still control everything. So how is anything going to improve?

SOMEBODY has to control things. Somebody has to provide the citizens of Gaza with basic needs like electricity and clean water and sewers and medical supplies and concrete for houses and hospitals and schools.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

The problem in Gaza is not a shortage of resources. The humanitarian problems in Gaza are a direct result of resources being shifted to terrorism. (blah, blah, blah, "resistance", whatever).

The problem in Gaza is not Israeli "control" (which is minimal) but Hamas' control.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

Do you mean the water that Israel destroyed, or the schools that Israel bombed, or the homes and hospitals that Israel bombed, or the electricity that Israel bombed?

Indeed, Israel has been a great help.

 

[rylah]

The point is that Israel will still control everything. So how is anything going to improve?

SOMEBODY has to control things. Somebody has to provide the citizens of Gaza with basic needs like electricity and clean water and sewers and medical supplies and concrete for houses and hospitals and schools.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

The problem in Gaza is not a shortage of resources. The humanitarian problems in Gaza are a direct result of resources being shifted to terrorism. (blah, blah, blah, "resistance", whatever).

The problem in Gaza is not Israeli "control" (which is minimal) but Hamas' control.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

Do you mean the water that Israel destroyed, or the schools that Israel bombed, or the homes and hospitals that Israel bombed, or the electricity that Israel bombed?

Indeed, Israel has been a great help.

Gazans could have it all and more, if Hamas wouldn't start stupid wars it can't win.
Having an independent functional state in Gaza endangers Hamas existence.

They have to make the choice. Better life for their people or endless struggle against Israel on the account of their people.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The point is that Israel will still control everything. So how is anything going to improve?

Any new reagional arrangement for Gaza will inevitably go through coordination with Israel and Egypt.
This is a natural order of things for any govt that wants effective independence - enter into formal relations with the neighbors.

Nobody owes them anything -the job of improving Gaza is on Hamas.

All we have to do is get Israel's fat ass out of the way so that the Palestinians can rebuild their own economy.

How much UNRWA money went into Abbas palace and jet?
How much ended up in Arafat swiss account?
How much ended up in Hamas pockets?
One fact #BDS-holes don't like is that Palestinian economy 78% reliable on Israel.

How do You imagine the immediate transition while having no coordination in regards to their neighbors?

One fact #BDS-holes don't like is that Palestinian economy 78% reliable on Israel.

Before Israel they were 0% reliable on Israel and they were much better off.

Sophistry. Before Israel they were reliant on the Ottomans and Egyptians, and riding donkeys.
You'r argument is absurd.

Empires do no hold territory to support the people. They hold territory to exploit the people.

Your argument is absurd.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The point is that Israel will still control everything. So how is anything going to improve?

SOMEBODY has to control things. Somebody has to provide the citizens of Gaza with basic needs like electricity and clean water and sewers and medical supplies and concrete for houses and hospitals and schools.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

The problem in Gaza is not a shortage of resources. The humanitarian problems in Gaza are a direct result of resources being shifted to terrorism. (blah, blah, blah, "resistance", whatever).

The problem in Gaza is not Israeli "control" (which is minimal) but Hamas' control.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

Do you mean the water that Israel destroyed, or the schools that Israel bombed, or the homes and hospitals that Israel bombed, or the electricity that Israel bombed?

Indeed, Israel has been a great help.

Gazans could have it all and more, if Hamas wouldn't start stupid wars it can't win.
Having an independent functional state in Gaza endangers Hamas existence.

They have to make the choice. Better life for their people or endless struggle against Israel on the account of their people.

They would be much better off without the occupation.

 

[rylah]

Any new reagional arrangement for Gaza will inevitably go through coordination with Israel and Egypt.
This is a natural order of things for any govt that wants effective independence - enter into formal relations with the neighbors.

Nobody owes them anything -the job of improving Gaza is on Hamas.

All we have to do is get Israel's fat ass out of the way so that the Palestinians can rebuild their own economy.

How much UNRWA money went into Abbas palace and jet?
How much ended up in Arafat swiss account?
How much ended up in Hamas pockets?
One fact #BDS-holes don't like is that Palestinian economy 78% reliable on Israel.

How do You imagine the immediate transition while having no coordination in regards to their neighbors?

One fact #BDS-holes don't like is that Palestinian economy 78% reliable on Israel.

Before Israel they were 0% reliable on Israel and they were much better off.

Sophistry. Before Israel they were reliant on the Ottomans and Egyptians, and riding donkeys.
You'r argument is absurd.

Empires do no hold territory to support the people. They hold territory to exploit the people.

Your argument is absurd.

That's exactly what I'm saying about future of Gaza under Hamas and Iran:

"Empires do no hold territory to support the people. They hold territory to exploit the people."

 

[Hollie]

The point is that Israel will still control everything. So how is anything going to improve?

SOMEBODY has to control things. Somebody has to provide the citizens of Gaza with basic needs like electricity and clean water and sewers and medical supplies and concrete for houses and hospitals and schools.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

The problem in Gaza is not a shortage of resources. The humanitarian problems in Gaza are a direct result of resources being shifted to terrorism. (blah, blah, blah, "resistance", whatever).

The problem in Gaza is not Israeli "control" (which is minimal) but Hamas' control.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

Do you mean the water that Israel destroyed, or the schools that Israel bombed, or the homes and hospitals that Israel bombed, or the electricity that Israel bombed?

Indeed, Israel has been a great help.

Indeed, you embrace the quaint Islamist notion that your acts of Islamic terrorism are an entitlement without consequence. When your heroes use civilian infrastructure to wage war, that infrastructure becomes a war target.

Indeed, this has been explained to you dozens of times, yet you’re still unable to understand.

 

[rylah]

The point is that Israel will still control everything. So how is anything going to improve?

SOMEBODY has to control things. Somebody has to provide the citizens of Gaza with basic needs like electricity and clean water and sewers and medical supplies and concrete for houses and hospitals and schools.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

The problem in Gaza is not a shortage of resources. The humanitarian problems in Gaza are a direct result of resources being shifted to terrorism. (blah, blah, blah, "resistance", whatever).

The problem in Gaza is not Israeli "control" (which is minimal) but Hamas' control.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

Do you mean the water that Israel destroyed, or the schools that Israel bombed, or the homes and hospitals that Israel bombed, or the electricity that Israel bombed?

Indeed, Israel has been a great help.

Gazans could have it all and more, if Hamas wouldn't start stupid wars it can't win.
Having an independent functional state in Gaza endangers Hamas existence.

They have to make the choice. Better life for their people or endless struggle against Israel on the account of their people.

They would be much better off without the occupation.

Gaza is not occupied even per their own leaders. What they have is a border seal due to their alignment with Iran and weapons trafficking in Sinai.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The point is that Israel will still control everything. So how is anything going to improve?

SOMEBODY has to control things. Somebody has to provide the citizens of Gaza with basic needs like electricity and clean water and sewers and medical supplies and concrete for houses and hospitals and schools.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

The problem in Gaza is not a shortage of resources. The humanitarian problems in Gaza are a direct result of resources being shifted to terrorism. (blah, blah, blah, "resistance", whatever).

The problem in Gaza is not Israeli "control" (which is minimal) but Hamas' control.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

Do you mean the water that Israel destroyed, or the schools that Israel bombed, or the homes and hospitals that Israel bombed, or the electricity that Israel bombed?

Indeed, Israel has been a great help.

Indeed, you embrace the quaint Islamist notion that your acts of Islamic terrorism are an entitlement without consequence. When your heroes use civilian infrastructure to wage war, that infrastructure becomes a war target.

Indeed, this has been explained to you dozens of times, yet you’re still unable to understand.

Oooo, you played the terrorist card.

Good girl.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The point is that Israel will still control everything. So how is anything going to improve?

SOMEBODY has to control things. Somebody has to provide the citizens of Gaza with basic needs like electricity and clean water and sewers and medical supplies and concrete for houses and hospitals and schools.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

The problem in Gaza is not a shortage of resources. The humanitarian problems in Gaza are a direct result of resources being shifted to terrorism. (blah, blah, blah, "resistance", whatever).

The problem in Gaza is not Israeli "control" (which is minimal) but Hamas' control.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

Do you mean the water that Israel destroyed, or the schools that Israel bombed, or the homes and hospitals that Israel bombed, or the electricity that Israel bombed?

Indeed, Israel has been a great help.

Gazans could have it all and more, if Hamas wouldn't start stupid wars it can't win.
Having an independent functional state in Gaza endangers Hamas existence.

They have to make the choice. Better life for their people or endless struggle against Israel on the account of their people.

They would be much better off without the occupation.

Gaza is not occupied even per their own leaders. What they have is a border seal due to their alignment with Iran and weapons trafficking in Sinai.

They wouldn't need that without the occupation.

 

[rylah]

The point is that Israel will still control everything. So how is anything going to improve?

SOMEBODY has to control things. Somebody has to provide the citizens of Gaza with basic needs like electricity and clean water and sewers and medical supplies and concrete for houses and hospitals and schools.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

The problem in Gaza is not a shortage of resources. The humanitarian problems in Gaza are a direct result of resources being shifted to terrorism. (blah, blah, blah, "resistance", whatever).

The problem in Gaza is not Israeli "control" (which is minimal) but Hamas' control.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

Do you mean the water that Israel destroyed, or the schools that Israel bombed, or the homes and hospitals that Israel bombed, or the electricity that Israel bombed?

Indeed, Israel has been a great help.

Indeed, you embrace the quaint Islamist notion that your acts of Islamic terrorism are an entitlement without consequence. When your heroes use civilian infrastructure to wage war, that infrastructure becomes a war target.

Indeed, this has been explained to you dozens of times, yet you’re still unable to understand.

Oooo, you played the terrorist card.

Good girl.

How else do You call a group that drags bodies of their own people on the streets to demonstrate power?

 

[rylah]

SOMEBODY has to control things. Somebody has to provide the citizens of Gaza with basic needs like electricity and clean water and sewers and medical supplies and concrete for houses and hospitals and schools.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

The problem in Gaza is not a shortage of resources. The humanitarian problems in Gaza are a direct result of resources being shifted to terrorism. (blah, blah, blah, "resistance", whatever).

The problem in Gaza is not Israeli "control" (which is minimal) but Hamas' control.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

Do you mean the water that Israel destroyed, or the schools that Israel bombed, or the homes and hospitals that Israel bombed, or the electricity that Israel bombed?

Indeed, Israel has been a great help.

Gazans could have it all and more, if Hamas wouldn't start stupid wars it can't win.
Having an independent functional state in Gaza endangers Hamas existence.

They have to make the choice. Better life for their people or endless struggle against Israel on the account of their people.

They would be much better off without the occupation.

Gaza is not occupied even per their own leaders. What they have is a border seal due to their alignment with Iran and weapons trafficking in Sinai.

They wouldn't need that without the occupation.

Control of borders by Egypt an Israel because Hamas activities endanger their security is no occupation. It's a normal conduct of civilized states.

There's a reason to why Egypt is jamming all Gaza telecommunications in the last weeks - the Caliphate forces from Sinai within Gaza. This chaos serves Hamas, and only Hamas, not the average Gazan citizen.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Do you mean the water that Israel destroyed, or the schools that Israel bombed, or the homes and hospitals that Israel bombed, or the electricity that Israel bombed?

Indeed, Israel has been a great help.

Gazans could have it all and more, if Hamas wouldn't start stupid wars it can't win.
Having an independent functional state in Gaza endangers Hamas existence.

They have to make the choice. Better life for their people or endless struggle against Israel on the account of their people.

They would be much better off without the occupation.

Gaza is not occupied even per their own leaders. What they have is a border seal due to their alignment with Iran and weapons trafficking in Sinai.

They wouldn't need that without the occupation.

Control of borders by Egypt an Israel because Hamas activities endanger their security is no occupation. It's a normal conduct of civilized states.

There's a reason to why Egypt is jamming all Gaza telecommunications in the last weeks - the Caliphate forces from Sinai within Gaza. This chaos serves Hamas, and only Hamas, not the average Gazan citizen.

Hamas is no threat to Egypt. Hamas and Egypt are fighting the same people.

 

[rylah]

Gazans could have it all and more, if Hamas wouldn't start stupid wars it can't win.
Having an independent functional state in Gaza endangers Hamas existence.

They have to make the choice. Better life for their people or endless struggle against Israel on the account of their people.

They would be much better off without the occupation.

Gaza is not occupied even per their own leaders. What they have is a border seal due to their alignment with Iran and weapons trafficking in Sinai.

They wouldn't need that without the occupation.

Control of borders by Egypt an Israel because Hamas activities endanger their security is no occupation. It's a normal conduct of civilized states.

There's a reason to why Egypt is jamming all Gaza telecommunications in the last weeks - the Caliphate forces from Sinai within Gaza. This chaos serves Hamas, and only Hamas, not the average Gazan citizen.

Hamas is no threat to Egypt. Hamas and Egypt are fighting the same people.

Is that why Egypt is on the verge of installing their own police in Gaza?
Hamas is Muslim Brotherhood - Egypt's main enemy after Iran. Hamas is aligned with both.
Egypt also sees them as responsible for all arms trafficking from Sinai.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The point is that Israel will still control everything. So how is anything going to improve?

SOMEBODY has to control things. Somebody has to provide the citizens of Gaza with basic needs like electricity and clean water and sewers and medical supplies and concrete for houses and hospitals and schools.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

The problem in Gaza is not a shortage of resources. The humanitarian problems in Gaza are a direct result of resources being shifted to terrorism. (blah, blah, blah, "resistance", whatever).

The problem in Gaza is not Israeli "control" (which is minimal) but Hamas' control.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

Do you mean the water that Israel destroyed, or the schools that Israel bombed, or the homes and hospitals that Israel bombed, or the electricity that Israel bombed?

Indeed, Israel has been a great help.

Indeed, you embrace the quaint Islamist notion that your acts of Islamic terrorism are an entitlement without consequence. When your heroes use civilian infrastructure to wage war, that infrastructure becomes a war target.

Indeed, this has been explained to you dozens of times, yet you’re still unable to understand.

Oooo, you played the terrorist card.

Good girl.

How else do You call a group that drags bodies of their own people on the streets to demonstrate power?

They aren't "their own people." They work for Israel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

They would be much better off without the occupation.

Gaza is not occupied even per their own leaders. What they have is a border seal due to their alignment with Iran and weapons trafficking in Sinai.

They wouldn't need that without the occupation.

Control of borders by Egypt an Israel because Hamas activities endanger their security is no occupation. It's a normal conduct of civilized states.

There's a reason to why Egypt is jamming all Gaza telecommunications in the last weeks - the Caliphate forces from Sinai within Gaza. This chaos serves Hamas, and only Hamas, not the average Gazan citizen.

Hamas is no threat to Egypt. Hamas and Egypt are fighting the same people.

Is that why Egypt is on the verge of installing their own police in Gaza?
Hamas is Muslim Brotherhood - Egypt's main enemy after Iran. Hamas is aligned with both.
Egypt also sees them as responsible for all arms trafficking from Sinai.

That is what they say.

Neither of them tell Hamas what to do.

 

[rylah]

SOMEBODY has to control things. Somebody has to provide the citizens of Gaza with basic needs like electricity and clean water and sewers and medical supplies and concrete for houses and hospitals and schools.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

The problem in Gaza is not a shortage of resources. The humanitarian problems in Gaza are a direct result of resources being shifted to terrorism. (blah, blah, blah, "resistance", whatever).

The problem in Gaza is not Israeli "control" (which is minimal) but Hamas' control.

But I guess it depends on what you call "improvement". Would repairing the water infrastructure be an improvement? Building new schools, repairing homes and hospitals? Providing adequate electricity for your citizens?

Do you mean the water that Israel destroyed, or the schools that Israel bombed, or the homes and hospitals that Israel bombed, or the electricity that Israel bombed?

Indeed, Israel has been a great help.

Indeed, you embrace the quaint Islamist notion that your acts of Islamic terrorism are an entitlement without consequence. When your heroes use civilian infrastructure to wage war, that infrastructure becomes a war target.

Indeed, this has been explained to you dozens of times, yet you’re still unable to understand.

Oooo, you played the terrorist card.

Good girl.

How else do You call a group that drags bodies of their own people on the streets to demonstrate power?

They aren't "their own people." They work for Israel.

Is this how civilized nations treat convicted treason?
The low You're willing to reach to excuse Islamists is astounding.

Then You go posting about "America is a terrorist nation"."

 

[rylah]

Gaza is not occupied even per their own leaders. What they have is a border seal due to their alignment with Iran and weapons trafficking in Sinai.

They wouldn't need that without the occupation.

Control of borders by Egypt an Israel because Hamas activities endanger their security is no occupation. It's a normal conduct of civilized states.

There's a reason to why Egypt is jamming all Gaza telecommunications in the last weeks - the Caliphate forces from Sinai within Gaza. This chaos serves Hamas, and only Hamas, not the average Gazan citizen.

Hamas is no threat to Egypt. Hamas and Egypt are fighting the same people.

Is that why Egypt is on the verge of installing their own police in Gaza?
Hamas is Muslim Brotherhood - Egypt's main enemy after Iran. Hamas is aligned with both.
Egypt also sees them as responsible for all arms trafficking from Sinai.

That is what they say.

Neither of them tell Hamas what to do.

Of course they do - couple of last months have proved that everything that goes in Gaza today is coordinated with Hezballah and Iran.

 

[P F Tinmore]

They wouldn't need that without the occupation.

Control of borders by Egypt an Israel because Hamas activities endanger their security is no occupation. It's a normal conduct of civilized states.

There's a reason to why Egypt is jamming all Gaza telecommunications in the last weeks - the Caliphate forces from Sinai within Gaza. This chaos serves Hamas, and only Hamas, not the average Gazan citizen.

Hamas is no threat to Egypt. Hamas and Egypt are fighting the same people.

Is that why Egypt is on the verge of installing their own police in Gaza?
Hamas is Muslim Brotherhood - Egypt's main enemy after Iran. Hamas is aligned with both.
Egypt also sees them as responsible for all arms trafficking from Sinai.

That is what they say.

Neither of them tell Hamas what to do.

Of course they do - couple of last months have proved that everything that goes in Gaza today is coordinated with Hezballah and Iran.

That ducks my post.

 

[Hollie]

Gazans could have it all and more, if Hamas wouldn't start stupid wars it can't win.
Having an independent functional state in Gaza endangers Hamas existence.

They have to make the choice. Better life for their people or endless struggle against Israel on the account of their people.

They would be much better off without the occupation.

Gaza is not occupied even per their own leaders. What they have is a border seal due to their alignment with Iran and weapons trafficking in Sinai.

They wouldn't need that without the occupation.

Control of borders by Egypt an Israel because Hamas activities endanger their security is no occupation. It's a normal conduct of civilized states.

There's a reason to why Egypt is jamming all Gaza telecommunications in the last weeks - the Caliphate forces from Sinai within Gaza. This chaos serves Hamas, and only Hamas, not the average Gazan citizen.

Hamas is no threat to Egypt. Hamas and Egypt are fighting the same people.

Hamas is a clear threat to Egypt. You should make an attempt to inform yourself of facts as opposed to the safe haven of your conspiracy theories.