Palestine Today

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Activists from "Oldham Justice and Peace" called for closure of factory of "Elbit Ferranti" Israeli arms company in Manchester in protest against killing of Palestinians by drones produced by company.
#BoycottIsrael #BDS #StopArmingIsrael

 

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RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ Coyote, et al,

This is true, as far as it goes.

Rocco, most stone throwing is, despite bad outcomes, the result of angry kids...not terrorism, right?

But if the intent is to terrorize a particular group of people...then it becomes terrorism doesn’t it? So if Palestinians do it for that reason and Jews do it for that reason,they are the same, yes?

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The "stone-throwing" is NOT an "act of terrorism" (in and by itself). It is a "criminal act" that results in the support, facilitates of terrorist activity; or encouraging terrorist activities.

Stone-throwing is also used as a means to incite further violence. In some cases, "stone-throwing" is an action that is specifically designed to be a media event contrived and choreographed for maximum presentation for a propaganda effect of exaggerated events.

Remember, "stone-throwing" is against International Humanitarian Law. It is not justified action or response to enforcement of law and order by any force construed to be an "Occupying Power."

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I have noticed that the pro-Hostile Arab Palestinians movements like to portray the Arab Palestinian as victims using "stone-throwing" against a foreign oppressor as a lawful sign of displeasure. Conditioning the statement as if the act were legal and the Israeli response against the assault is illegal. Such an interpretation is 180º out of phase with the truth.


Most Respectfully,
R

Then would you agree that Jewish stone throwers (as in the settlers stoning Palestinians) acting the same as the Palestinians?

They are not the same at all. The settlers are occupiers while the Palestinians are the occupied. They are coming from two different places.

Empty words that have no basis in fact or logic.

 

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15 years after ICJ declared Separation Wall illegal, West Bank barrier continues to destroy Palestinian lives.
Cartoon by Carlos Latuff

 

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15 years after ICJ declared Separation Wall illegal, West Bank barrier continues to destroy Palestinian lives.
Cartoon by Carlos Latuff

The ICJ had no jurisdiction and this was just an advisory opinion that has no standing. This is a fine example of why so many countries, including he US, do not acknowledge the ICJ.

 

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Wow, an academic whose specialty is anti Israeli propaganda!

 

[Shusha]

How many Area C settlements include Arabs?

How many settlements are Jewish only?

How many are Arab only?

Your hypocrisy is in calling out Jews for Jewish-only settlements while failing to call out Arabs for Arab-only settlements in Area C (and Areas A and B and Gaza and the entire ME).

How is it hypocritical?

It is hypocritical in that you complain about "Jew-only settlements" but never seem to mention Arab-only settlements (despite the actual difference in law in those settlements).

Its hypocritical in that you demand equality between Jews and Arabs in Israel and Area C while supporting and insisting upon the maintenance of Jew-free zones in Areas A, B, C, and Gaza.

Its hypocritical because you ignore the reality that segregation of Jews and Arabs is largely both mutually agreeable and mutually sought after, and that there is a WAR on-going between these two peoples.

And its hypocritical because you never seem to acknowledge the illegal building by Arabs, often aided by the international community and NGOs illegally interfering in Israel's sovereign rights.

The settlement program is a POLITICAL program. Not a random migration of peoples into new areas.

It is not a political program. A political program would be a government transferring portions of its population to another territory in order to establish a claim. (See Morocco and Western Sahara). Israel and the Jewish people already have a claim. They have, by far, the BEST claim. By right and not on sufferance.

The settlement of Judea and Samaria by the Jewish people is not a political program -- its a program of asserting the historical, national and sovereign rights in the homeland of the Jewish people. It is lead, largely, by the Jewish people themselves (though Israel, of course, must adapt and make response as appropriate).

Why would the Jewish people, as individuals and collectively, obligated to refrain from living in parts of their homeland? Why is Israel obligated to actively prevent Jews from living in parts of their own homeland? They aren't. And she isn't.

So..why no Hill Top Arab settlements?

Well, there are, of course. There are also encroachments from Areas A and B into Area C, which are permitted by Israel. You just don't like to acknowledge them. But I'd also suggest you consider how Arab Palestinians are likely to treat Arabs building a town with the explicit intention of annexation for Israel.

 

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Salma Karmi-Ayyoub on 'Nation Law: Israeli Apartheid State' at Palestine Expo 2019

 

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Salma Karmi-Ayyoub on 'Nation Law: Israeli Apartheid State' at Palestine Expo 2019

The word 'exclusive' is not in the law.
During the presentation she intentionally changes the terms, step by step to fit an agenda.

What she describes as an 'ethnocratic' state is simply another loaded word for what's called a nation state, which is exactly what the law defines.

There're currently 21 nation states in the world, and while she tries to single out Israel,
a nation state is exactly what the Arabs themselves demand.

So please explain, why in the world can't there be just one for the Jewish nation,
while they demand another Arab one?

 

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Foreign troops in Palestine.

 

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Foreign troops in Palestine.

Until a final agreement concerning the West Bank is reached, they have to patrol some areas of it to keep law and order. And that final agreement will never be reached as long as some ppl refer to all of Israel proper as Palestine.

 

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August 23, 2014: Hussein Khaled Ahmed, 7, was killed by an Israeli missile fired at his home. Hussein was from Deir al-Balah, Gaza.

 

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August 23, 2014: Hussein Khaled Ahmed, 7, was killed by an Israeli missile fired at his home. Hussein was from Deir al-Balah, Gaza.

Why did Hamas put a rocket launcher right next to his house?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ Coyote, et al,

BLUF: Yes! (With the reservations as noted.)

I would agree that, in certain settlement areas (certainly not all), there appears to exist a cultural "feud" (prolonged hostility) between the Jewish Settlers and the localized Arab Palestinians. This is not so different from the clan conflicts in the Northern Appalachian Mountains in America (the Hatfield 'v' McCoy controversy being one of the most famous). But just as the clan feuds of the Northern Appalachian Mountains were localized and not indicative of the overall relationship between the two general populations, the long persistence of clan-like confrontations has reached epic proportions, not unlike Northern Appalachian Mountain feuds (ie Hatfield-McCoy).

Then would you agree that Jewish stone throwers (as in the settlers stoning Palestinians) acting the same as the Palestinians?

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The very poor analysis (by both sides and media observers seeking fame) of the adverse confrontations between the Israeli Settler 'v' Local Arab Palestinians in now almost indistinguishable from the reasons and political framework of the overarching nature of the generalized acts of terror between the major terrorist groups and government-sponsored terrorism directed against the Israeli civilian population.

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The feud between the Jewish Settlers and the localized Arab Palestinians is NOT strictly for the same purposes as that expressed by the Negotiation Affairs Department (PLO-NAD). It is very similar (in many cases) to the complexion behind the "Wyoming Range War" typified by the 'INVADER" notion between the new Farming Homesteaders and the Cattleman Barons of the Stock-Grower's Association. Similarly, there was an atmosphere of corruptions, intimidation, and political conniving manipulators (AKA: Robber Barons) that fleeced property owners, farmers, and ranchers for railroad right-of-ways; or that of the organized criminal claim jumpers for gold and silver mining; or that of the land grabbing of oil-rich land from the American Indians. All these examples used an element of induced terror to accomplish the end result. Why? (RHETORICAL) Because of the overt nature of the activity. And while everyone looked one the criminal takeover of Chicago and the Tammany Hall political corruption New York political machine were done in the open (meaning everyone understood the illegal shadow of the activities), often maintaining control through intimidation and murder (ie "terrorism").

Today, the criminal gangs of Los Angeles use terrorism to maintain their control over large expanses of the area and prevent enforcement and prosecution for their activities. This is done through neighborhood intimidation through terrorism. Again, this is not considered. But you can go into any of the street gang territories (of any color and ethnicity) and feel the impact.

The application of the description of terrorism has to be focused on the type, kind, and magnitude.


Most Respectfully,
R

 

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Israeli soldier assaults human rights activist Aref Jaber to prevent him from documenting the Israeli demolition of an agricultural pool in Hebron on Tuesday.

 

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‘Israel’ has already demolished and seized 538 houses and structures in the occupied West Bank and Jerusalem in 2018 only, displacing 1300 Palestinians including 225 children.