Palestinians Deny Jewish Connection to Jerusalem

[Phoenall]

Well, you have to wonder if some guy from Poland had any connection to Jerusalem in the 1920s.

Or anyone in the US!

Or arab muslims from mecca, medina, Cairo, Bagdad, and Homs

 

[Billo_Really]

Jerusalem belongs to the Jews. Why? Because dspite repeated attempts to make it otherwise Jews repelled every invading army and defeated every foe in battle.

If Jerusalem and Israel was anyone else's, God wouldn't be on their side now would he?

God doesn't choose. God doesn't take sides.

Although I'll wager HE probably doesn't like you?

And if, by some reason, HE did choose...............HE certainly wouldn't choose a bunch of arrogant assholes, walking around like their shit don't stink!

 

[Phoenall]

Jerusalem belongs to the Jews. Why? Because dspite repeated attempts to make it otherwise Jews repelled every invading army and defeated every foe in battle.

If Jerusalem and Israel was anyone else's, God wouldn't be on their side now would he?

God doesn't choose. God doesn't take sides.

Although I'll wager HE probably doesn't like you?

And if, by some reason, HE did choose...............HE certainly wouldn't choose a bunch of arrogant assholes, walking around like their shit don't stink!

Which is why the Palestinians are the losers and have nothing

 

[Penelope]

I guess that is why they had to have Britain give it to them. So funny, lets see Persia, Greek, Romans, Muslims, Turks, Britain, obviously God does not want you there. Get the hint.

 

[Phoenall]

I guess that is why they had to have Britain give it to them. So funny, lets see Persia, Greek, Romans, Muslims, Turks, Britain, obviously God does not want you there. Get the hint.

Try looking at some history books for as change and not islamonazi propaganda sites. Britain could not give anything to anyone they did not have the remit, just as the US could not give the land of Palestine to the arab muslims

 

[Roudy]

In 1905 the Census figures Included the Kaza of Jerusalem (which included Abwein, Beit Jala, Bethlehem, Jerusalem, Ramallah and Saffa) which stated the Kaza contained a total of 110,200 Ottoman subjects, of whom 67,700 were Muslim, 28,800 Christian and 13,700 Jewish Ottomans. Of course the 1905 census did not include foreigners resident in the Kaza which the Ottomans estimated to be about 3,000 Christian and 21,000 Jewish Europeans\Westerners. The Sanjak of Jerusalem at the time included the Kazas of Hebron, Jaffa, Gaza and Beersheba as well as Jerusalem. The Kazas of Jerusalem and Hebron combined had a total population of over 168,000 so its unclear how the Catholic Encyclopedia source he cites arrives at the figures quoted. My figures come from "Population characteristics of Jerusalem and Hebron Regions according to Ottoman Census of 1905" by U. O. Schmelz in "Ottoman Palestine, 1800-1914: Studies in Economic and Social History." pages 16-47

Wrong again, Jews have been coming back to Israel for 2000 years, including during the Ottoman Empire, when they eventually became a majority in the 1800's. The Arabs are just 20th century invaders and imposters...

My post doesn't dispute anything you posted from the Jewish Encyclopedia. The Jewish population of the city of Jerusalem certainly increased over time until it became the majority. This does not, however, apply to Palestine as a whole. The native population (largely composed of Greeks, Romans, Phoenicians, etc.) gradually adopted the Arabic language, culture and religion in the centuries following the Arab conquests. Actual Arabs from Arabia were always a relatively small minority in Palestine, as were the Turks that followed them as rulers. Both Christianity and Judaism were tolerated by the Arabian Muslims.

Just because there were Jewish communities in the region throughout that time does not give European Zionists the right to colonise the region and dispossess the native population.

Bottom line: Jews kept migrating back to their holy land for 2000 years, as evidenced during the Ottoman Empire and leading up to the 1800's which created a majority in Jerusalem. Since there was NO MUSLIM MAJORITY in Jerusalem as far back as the 1400's, the Arab Muslim claim on it is hogwash, as they are 20th recent century invaders from neighboring Arab lands.

Israel has always been and will always be the Jewish holy land, first and foremost. The Jews that migrated back from Europe in the 1900's were joining their brethren in their ancestral holy land, and did so legally.

Case closed.

In your dreams. What you fail to point out is that most Jewish people invited into the Ottoman Empire settled anywher BUT Palestine. most preferred to settle in Istanbul or the Balkans or in Anatolia, only a small fraction decided to settle there. You are right to say that Jewish people migrated to Palestine thruoughout the last 2000 years, there was nothing and no-one stopping them from migrating, settling and creating a Jewish "homeland". The pertinent question is why so few bothered to undertake the journey? The answer is simply that they didn't care.

Well that's bullshit because there are clear records of Jewish populations increasing in Jerusalem and Safed in the 1500's. Mentally Challeged has a reading comprehension problem it appears.

 

[Roudy]

I guess that is why they had to have Britain give it to them. So funny, lets see Persia, Greek, Romans, Muslims, Turks, Britain, obviously God does not want you there. Get the hint.

Yeah? that's not what the Koran, OT and NT say, asylum escapee.

 

[Challenger]

In 1905 the Census figures Included the Kaza of Jerusalem (which included Abwein, Beit Jala, Bethlehem, Jerusalem, Ramallah and Saffa) which stated the Kaza contained a total of 110,200 Ottoman subjects, of whom 67,700 were Muslim, 28,800 Christian and 13,700 Jewish Ottomans. Of course the 1905 census did not include foreigners resident in the Kaza which the Ottomans estimated to be about 3,000 Christian and 21,000 Jewish Europeans\Westerners. The Sanjak of Jerusalem at the time included the Kazas of Hebron, Jaffa, Gaza and Beersheba as well as Jerusalem. The Kazas of Jerusalem and Hebron combined had a total population of over 168,000 so its unclear how the Catholic Encyclopedia source he cites arrives at the figures quoted. My figures come from "Population characteristics of Jerusalem and Hebron Regions according to Ottoman Census of 1905" by U. O. Schmelz in "Ottoman Palestine, 1800-1914: Studies in Economic and Social History." pages 16-47

Wrong again, Jews have been coming back to Israel for 2000 years, including during the Ottoman Empire, when they eventually became a majority in the 1800's. The Arabs are just 20th century invaders and imposters...

My post doesn't dispute anything you posted from the Jewish Encyclopedia. The Jewish population of the city of Jerusalem certainly increased over time until it became the majority. This does not, however, apply to Palestine as a whole. The native population (largely composed of Greeks, Romans, Phoenicians, etc.) gradually adopted the Arabic language, culture and religion in the centuries following the Arab conquests. Actual Arabs from Arabia were always a relatively small minority in Palestine, as were the Turks that followed them as rulers. Both Christianity and Judaism were tolerated by the Arabian Muslims.

Just because there were Jewish communities in the region throughout that time does not give European Zionists the right to colonise the region and dispossess the native population.

Bottom line: Jews kept migrating back to their holy land for 2000 years, as evidenced during the Ottoman Empire and leading up to the 1800's which created a majority in Jerusalem. Since there was NO MUSLIM MAJORITY in Jerusalem as far back as the 1400's, the Arab Muslim claim on it is hogwash, as they are 20th recent century invaders from neighboring Arab lands.

Israel has always been and will always be the Jewish holy land, first and foremost. The Jews that migrated back from Europe in the 1900's were joining their brethren in their ancestral holy land, and did so legally.

Case closed.

In your dreams. What you fail to point out is that most Jewish people invited into the Ottoman Empire settled anywher BUT Palestine. most preferred to settle in Istanbul or the Balkans or in Anatolia, only a small fraction decided to settle there. You are right to say that Jewish people migrated to Palestine thruoughout the last 2000 years, there was nothing and no-one stopping them from migrating, settling and creating a Jewish "homeland". The pertinent question is why so few bothered to undertake the journey? The answer is simply that they didn't care.

Well that's bullshit because there are clear records of Jewish populations increasing in Jerusalem and Safed in the 1500's. Mentally Challeged has a reading comprehension problem it appears.

Never said they disn't increase, but of the 150,000 Sephardics expelled from Spain, no more than 3,500 famillies migrated to the levant. Most went to Salonika and Istanbul or Alexandria, etc. Here's the wiki link, just to keep it simple for you. Jews in Turkey - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Penelope]

I guess that is why they had to have Britain give it to them. So funny, lets see Persia, Greek, Romans, Muslims, Turks, Britain, obviously God does not want you there. Get the hint.

Yeah? that's not what the Koran, OT and NT say, asylum escapee.

What do they say Roudy. Also I made an error, Britain never gave Jerusalem to the Zionist, it was to be a shared city

 

[Penelope]

The only reason more jews returned to Palestine in the early 1800's was due to the fact that most jews were into the reform movement , assimilation and being more accepted by different countries. Those who returned were the Orthodox Jews or Hasidic, Sofers in Palestine and the Satmar group in New York which are still there today. Hasidic Jews , which today Israel government does not want to much of.

Jews always lived in their own communities and the Rabbis were in charge and lived by Jewish Talmud Laws, of which Rabbis could enforce, and did enforce and fined jews and handed out sentences. Countries were fine with this as to keep peace and order and they got a percentage of the fine imposed.

So to say the Jews always wanted to return to Palestine is wrong, only when the reform Judaism begun did the religious Jews want to return, not the Zionist. The more countries gave rights to the reformed Jews the more these countries got to the point of saying no way, as they discovered the Jews wanted and tred to control everything and so hence is the beginning of Zionism, when even the zionoist wanted their own country and well Palestine was it.

 

[aris2chat]

Wrong again, Jews have been coming back to Israel for 2000 years, including during the Ottoman Empire, when they eventually became a majority in the 1800's. The Arabs are just 20th century invaders and imposters...

My post doesn't dispute anything you posted from the Jewish Encyclopedia. The Jewish population of the city of Jerusalem certainly increased over time until it became the majority. This does not, however, apply to Palestine as a whole. The native population (largely composed of Greeks, Romans, Phoenicians, etc.) gradually adopted the Arabic language, culture and religion in the centuries following the Arab conquests. Actual Arabs from Arabia were always a relatively small minority in Palestine, as were the Turks that followed them as rulers. Both Christianity and Judaism were tolerated by the Arabian Muslims.

Just because there were Jewish communities in the region throughout that time does not give European Zionists the right to colonise the region and dispossess the native population.

Bottom line: Jews kept migrating back to their holy land for 2000 years, as evidenced during the Ottoman Empire and leading up to the 1800's which created a majority in Jerusalem. Since there was NO MUSLIM MAJORITY in Jerusalem as far back as the 1400's, the Arab Muslim claim on it is hogwash, as they are 20th recent century invaders from neighboring Arab lands.

Israel has always been and will always be the Jewish holy land, first and foremost. The Jews that migrated back from Europe in the 1900's were joining their brethren in their ancestral holy land, and did so legally.

Case closed.

In your dreams. What you fail to point out is that most Jewish people invited into the Ottoman Empire settled anywher BUT Palestine. most preferred to settle in Istanbul or the Balkans or in Anatolia, only a small fraction decided to settle there. You are right to say that Jewish people migrated to Palestine thruoughout the last 2000 years, there was nothing and no-one stopping them from migrating, settling and creating a Jewish "homeland". The pertinent question is why so few bothered to undertake the journey? The answer is simply that they didn't care.

Well that's bullshit because there are clear records of Jewish populations increasing in Jerusalem and Safed in the 1500's. Mentally Challeged has a reading comprehension problem it appears.

Never said they disn't increase, but of the 150,000 Sephardics expelled from Spain, no more than 3,500 famillies migrated to the levant. Most went to Salonika and Istanbul or Alexandria, etc. Here's the wiki link, just to keep it simple for you. Jews in Turkey - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

But most moved to Ottoman lands and from there later moved to the holy land. It might not have been a direct line but they did get there.

 

[Roudy]

Wrong again, Jews have been coming back to Israel for 2000 years, including during the Ottoman Empire, when they eventually became a majority in the 1800's. The Arabs are just 20th century invaders and imposters...

My post doesn't dispute anything you posted from the Jewish Encyclopedia. The Jewish population of the city of Jerusalem certainly increased over time until it became the majority. This does not, however, apply to Palestine as a whole. The native population (largely composed of Greeks, Romans, Phoenicians, etc.) gradually adopted the Arabic language, culture and religion in the centuries following the Arab conquests. Actual Arabs from Arabia were always a relatively small minority in Palestine, as were the Turks that followed them as rulers. Both Christianity and Judaism were tolerated by the Arabian Muslims.

Just because there were Jewish communities in the region throughout that time does not give European Zionists the right to colonise the region and dispossess the native population.

Bottom line: Jews kept migrating back to their holy land for 2000 years, as evidenced during the Ottoman Empire and leading up to the 1800's which created a majority in Jerusalem. Since there was NO MUSLIM MAJORITY in Jerusalem as far back as the 1400's, the Arab Muslim claim on it is hogwash, as they are 20th recent century invaders from neighboring Arab lands.

Israel has always been and will always be the Jewish holy land, first and foremost. The Jews that migrated back from Europe in the 1900's were joining their brethren in their ancestral holy land, and did so legally.

Case closed.

In your dreams. What you fail to point out is that most Jewish people invited into the Ottoman Empire settled anywher BUT Palestine. most preferred to settle in Istanbul or the Balkans or in Anatolia, only a small fraction decided to settle there. You are right to say that Jewish people migrated to Palestine thruoughout the last 2000 years, there was nothing and no-one stopping them from migrating, settling and creating a Jewish "homeland". The pertinent question is why so few bothered to undertake the journey? The answer is simply that they didn't care.

Well that's bullshit because there are clear records of Jewish populations increasing in Jerusalem and Safed in the 1500's. Mentally Challeged has a reading comprehension problem it appears.

Never said they disn't increase, but of the 150,000 Sephardics expelled from Spain, no more than 3,500 famillies migrated to the levant. Most went to Salonika and Istanbul or Alexandria, etc. Here's the wiki link, just to keep it simple for you. Jews in Turkey - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Wrong again. jews were coming back before and especially during the Ottoman Empire:

History of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

12th to 14th-century
1191
Jews of Ascalon arrive in Jerusalem
1198
Maghreb Jews arrive in Jerusalem
1204
Maimonides buried in Tiberias
1209-1211
Immigration of 300 French and
English rabbis
1217
Judah al-Harizi bemoans state
of the Temple Mount
1260
Yechiel of Paris establishes
talmudical academy in Acre
1266
Jews banned from entering the
Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron
1267
Nachmanides arrives in Jerusalem,
Ramban synagogue established
1286
Meir of Rothenburg incarcerated
after attempting to emigrate
to Palestine
1355
Physician and geographer
Ishtori Haparchi dies in Bet She'an

15th-century
1428
Jews attempt to purchase Tomb
of David, Pope prevents ships
carrying Jews to Palestine
1434
Elijah of Ferrara settles in Jerusalem
1441
Famine forces Jerusalem Jews to
send emissary to Europe
1455
Failed large scale immigration
attempt from Sicily
1474
Great Synagogue of Jerusalem
demolished by Arab mob
1488
Obadiah ben Abraham begins
revival of Jerusalem
1507
Joseph Saragossi dies in
Safed

The Crusader rule over Palestine had taken its toll on the Jews. Relief came in 1187 when Ayyubid Sultan Saladin defeated the Crusaders in the Battle of Hattin, taking Jerusalem and most of Palestine. (A Crusader state centred round Acre survived in weakened form for another century.) In time, Saladin issued a proclamation inviting all Jews to return and settle in Jerusalem,[97] and according to Judah al-Harizi, they did: "From the day the Arabs took Jerusalem, the Israelites inhabited it."[98] al-Harizi compared Saladins decree allowing Jews to re-establish themselves in Jerusalem to the one issued by the Persian Cyrus the Great over 1,600 years earlier.[99]


Synagogue of Nachmanides, Casale Pilgrim (16th-century)
In 1211, the Jewish community in the country was strengthened by the arrival of a group headed by over 300 rabbis from France and England,[100] among them Rabbi Samson ben Abraham of Sens.[101] The motivation of European Jews to emigrate to the Holyland in the 13th-century possibly lay in persecution,[102] economic hardship, messianic expectations or the desire to fulfill the commandments specific to the land of Israel.[103] In 1217, Spanish pilgrim Judah al-Harizi found the sight of the non-Jewish structures on the Temple Mount profoundly disturbing: "What torment to see our holy courts converted into an alien temple!" he wrote.[104] Nachmanides, the 13th-century Spanish rabbi and recognised leader of Jewry greatly praised the land of Israel and viewed its settlement as a positive commandment incumbent on all Jews. He wrote "If the gentiles wish to make peace, we shall make peace and leave them on clear terms; but as for the land, we shall not leave it in their hands, nor in the hands of any nation, not in any generation."[105] In 1267 he arrived in Jerusalem and found only two Jewish inhabitants — brothers, dyers by trade. Wishing to re-establish a strong Jewish presence in the holy city, he brought a Torah scroll from Nablus and founded a synagogue. Nahmanides later settled at Acre, where he headed a yeshiva together with Yechiel of Paris who had emigrated to Acre in 1260, along with his son and a large group of followers.[106][107] Upon arrival, he had established the Beth Midrash ha-Gadol d'Paris Talmudic academy where one of the greatest Karaite authorities, Aaron ben Joseph the Elder, was said to have attended.[108]


Title page of Ishtori Haparchi's Kaftor Vaferech, Venice 1549. In the first Hebrew book printed on the geography of Palestine, 180 locations mentioned in the Bible and Talmudic literature are identified.
In 1260, control passed to the Egyptian Mamluks and until 1291 Palestine became the frontier between Mongol invaders (occasional Crusader allies). The conflict impoverished the country and severely reduced the population. Sultan Qutuz of Egypt eventually defeated the Mongols in the Battle of Ain Jalut (near Ein Harod) and his successor (and assassin), Baibars, eliminated the last Crusader Kingdom of Acre in 1291, thereby ending the Crusader presence.

In 1266 the Mamluk Sultan Baybars converted the Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron into an exclusive Islamic sanctuary and banned Christians and Jews from entering, which previously would be able to enter it for a fee. The ban remained in place until Israel took control of the building in 1967.[109][110] In 1286, leader of German Jewry Meir of Rothenburg, was imprisoned by Rudolf I for attempting to lead a large group of Jews hoping to settle in Palestine.[111] Exiled from France in 1306, Ishtori Haparchi (d. 1355) arrived in Palestine and settled Bet She'an in 1313. Over the next seven years he compiled an informative geographical account of the land in which he attempts to identify biblical and talmudic era locations.[112] Two other noted Spanish kabbalists, Hananel ibn Askara and Shem Tov ibn Gaon, emigrated to Safed around this time.[113] During the tolerant reign of Nassir Mahomet(1299–1341) Jewish pilgrims from Egypt and Syria were able to spend the festivals in Jerusalem, which had a large Jewish community.[113] Many of the Jerusalem Jews occupied themselves with study of the codes and the kabbalah. Others were artisans, merchants, calligraphers or physicians.[113] The vibrant community of Hebron engaged in weaving, dyeing and glassware manufacturing; others where shepherds.[113]

The 1428 attempt by German Jews to acquire rooms and buildings on Mount Zion over the Tomb of David had dire consequences. The Franciscans, who had occupied the site since 1335, petitioned Pope Martin V who issued a papal order prohibiting sea captains from carrying Jews to Palestine.[114] In 1438, Italian rabbi Elijah of Ferrara settled in Jerusalem and became a lecturer and dayyan.[115] In 1455, a large group of prospective emigrants from across Sicily were arrested for attempting to sail to Palestine.[116] Not wanting to forfeit revenue made from special Jewish taxes, the authorities were against the mass emigration of Jews and accused the group of planning to illegally smuggle gold off the island. After nine months of imprisonment, a heavy ransom freed 24 Jews who were then granted permission to travel to Palestine so long as they abandoned all their property.[117]

In 1470, Isaac b. Meir Latif arrived from Ancona and counted 150 Jewish families in Jerusalem.[115] In 1473, the authorities closed down the Nachmanides Synagogue after part of it had collapsed in a heavy rainstorm. A year later, after an appealing to Sultan Qaitbay, the Jews were given permission to repair it. The Muslims of the adjoining mosque however contested the verdict and for two days, proceeded to demolish the synagogue completely. The vandals were punished, but the synagogue was only rebuilt 50 years later in 1523.[118] 1481 saw Italian Joseph Mantabia being appointed dayyan in Jerusalem.[119] A few years later in 1488, Italian commentator and spiritual leader of Jewry, Obadiah ben Abraham arrived in Jerusalem. He found the city forsaken holding about seventy poor Jewish families.[120] By 1495, there were 200 families. Obadiah, a dynamic and erudite leader, had begun the rejuvenation of Jerusalem's Jewish community. This, despite the fact many refugess from the Spanish and Portuguese expulsion of 1492-97 stayed away worried about the lawlessness of Mamulk rule.[121] An anonymous letter of the time lamented: "In all these lands there is no judgement and no judge, especially for the Jews against Arabs."[121] Mass immigration would start after the Turks conquered the region in 1517.[121] Yet in Safed, the situation fared better. Thanks to Joseph Saragossi who had arrived in the closing years of the 15th century, Safed and its environs had developed into the largest concentration of Jews in Palestine. With the help of the Sephardic immigration from Spain, the Jewish population had increased to 10,000 by the early 16th century.[122] Twenty-five years earlier Joseph Mantabia had counted just 300 families in and around Safed.[123] The first record of Jews at Safed was provided by French explorer Samuel ben Samson 300 years earlier in 1210 when he found only 50 Jews in residence.[123] At the beginning of the 17th century, Safed was to boast eighteen talmudical colleges and twenty-one synagogues.[124]

Records cite at least 30 Jewish urban and rural communities in the country at the opening of the 16th century.


Modern history (1517–present)

Growth and stability under Ottoman rule (1517–1917)Edit
Main articles: Old Yishuv and Ottoman Jews

The Ari Synagogue in Safed. Founded in the 1570s, it was rebuilt in 1857 following an earthquake.

One of the earliest photographs of Jews praying at the Western Wall of Herod's Temple, 1870s. The Scroll of Ahimaaz(1050 CE) mentions the location as a Jewish prayer site.[125] In around 1560, Suleiman the Magnificent gave official recognition of the right of Jews to pray there.
Palestine was conquered by Turkish Sultan Selim II in 1516–17, and became part of the province of Syria for the next four centuries.

In 1534, Spanish refugee Jacob Berab settled in Safed. He believed the time was ripe to reintroduce the old "semikah" (ordination) which would create for Jews worldwide a recognised central authority.[126] In 1538, an assembly of Safed twenty-five rabbis ordained Berab, a step which they hoped would instigate the formation of a new Sanhedrin. But the plan faltered upon a strong and concerted protest by the chief rabbi of Jerusalem, Levi ben Jacob ibn Habib.[126]Additionally, worried about a scheme which would invest excessive authority in a Jewish senate, possibly resulting in the first step toward the restoration of the Jewish state, the new Ottoman rulers forced Berab to flee Palestine and the plan did not materialize.[126] The 16th-century nevertheless saw a resurgence of Jewish life in Palestine. Palestinian rabbis were instrumental producing a universally accepted manual of Jewish law and some of the most beautiful liturgical poems. Much of this activity occurred at Safed which had become a spiritual centre, a haven for mystics. Joseph Karo's comprehensive guide to Jewish law, the Shulchan Aruch, was considered so authoritative that the variant customs of German-Polish Jewry were merely added as supplement glosses.[127] Some of the most celebrated hymns were written at in Safed by poets such as Israel Najara and Solomon Alkabetz.[128] The town was also a centre of Jewish mysticism, notable kabbalists included Moses Cordovero and the German-born Naphtali Hertz ben Jacob Elhanan.[129][130][131] A new method of understanding the kabbalah was developed by Palestinian mystic Isaac Luria, and espoused by his student Chaim Vital. In Safed, the Jews developed a number of branches of trade, especially in grain, spices, textiles and dyeing. In 1577, a Hebrewprinting press was established in Safed. The 8,000 or 10,000 Jews in Safed in 1555 grew to 20,000 or 30,000 by the end of the century.

In around 1563, Joseph Nasi secured permission from Sultan Selim II to acquire Tiberias and seven surrounding villages to create a Jewish city-state.[132] He hoped that large numbers of Jewish refugees and Marranos would settle there, free from fear and oppression; indeed, the persecuted Jews of Cori, Italy, numbering about 200 souls, decided to emigrate to Tiberias.[133][134] Nasi had the walls of the town rebuilt by 1564 and attempted to turn it into a self-sufficient textile manufacturing center by planting mulberry trees for the cultivation of silk. Nevertheless, a number of factors during the following years contributed to the plan's ultimate failure. Nasi's aunt, Doña Gracia Mendes Nasi supported a yeshiva in the town for many years until her death in 1569.[135]

In 1567, a Yemenite scholar and Rabbi, Zechariah Dhahiri, visited Safed and wrote of his experiences in a book entitled Sefer Ha-Musar. His vivid descriptions of the town Safed and of Rabbi Joseph Karo’s yeshiva are of primary importance to historians, seeing that they are a first-hand account of these places, and the only extant account which describes the yeshivaof the great Sephardic Rabbi, Joseph Karo.[136]

In 1576, the Jewish community of Safed faced an expulsion order: 1,000 prosperous families were to be deported to Cyprus, "for the good of the said island", with another 500 the following year.[137] The order was later rescinded due to the realisation of the financial gains of Jewish rental income.[138] In 1586, the Jews of Istanbul agreed to build a fortified khan to provide a refuge for Safed's Jews against "night bandits and armed thieves."[137]

In 1569, the Radbaz moved to Jerusalem, but soon moved to Safed to escape the high taxes imposed on Jews by the authorities.

In 1610, the Yochanan ben Zakai Synagogue in Jerusalem was completed.[139] It became the main synagogue of the Sephardic Jews, the place where their chief rabbi was invested. The adjacent study hall which had been added by 1625 later became the Synagogue of Elijah the Prophet.[139]


Installation of the Chacham Bashi at the Ben Zakai Synagogue, 1893. According to legend, the synagogue stands on the site of the study hall of 1st-century sage, Rabban Yochanan ben Zakai. The current building was constructed in 1610.
In the 1648–1654 Khmelnytsky Uprising in Ukraine over 100,000 Jews were massacred, leading to some migration to Israel. In 1660 (or 1662), the majorly Jewish towns of Safed and Tiberias are destroyed by the Druze, following a power struggle in Galilee.[140][141][142] [143][144][145][146] In 1665, the events surrounding the arrival of the self-proclaimed Messiah Sabbatai Zevi to Jerusalem, causes a massacre of the Jews in Jerusalem.[citation needed]

The Near East earthquake of 1759 destroys much of Safed killing 2000 people with 190 Jews among the dead, and also destroys Tiberias.

The disciples of the Vilna Gaon settled in the land of Israel almost a decade after the arrival of two of his pupils, R. Hayim of Vilna and R. Israel ben Samuel of Shklov. In all there were three groups of the Gaon's students which emigrated to the land of Israel. They formed the basis of the Ashkenazi communities of Jerusalem and Safed, setting up what was known as the Kollel Perushim. Their arrival encouraged an Ashkenazi revival in Jerusalem, whose Jewish community until this time was mostly Sephardi. Many of the descendants of the disciples became leading figures in modern Israeli society. The Gaon himself also set forth with his pupils to the Land, but for an unknown reason he turned back and returned to Vilna where he died soon after.

During the siege of Acre in 1799, Napoleon issued a proclamation to the Jews of Asia and Africa to help him conquer Jerusalem. The siege was lost to the British, however, and the plan was never carried out. In 1821 the brothers of murdered Jewish adviser and finance minister to the rulers of the Galilee, Haim Farkhi formed an army with Ottoman permission, marched south and conquered the Galilee. They were held up at Akko which they besieged for 14 months after which they gave up and retreated to Damascus.

During the Peasants' Revolt under Muhammad Ali of Egypt's occupation, Jews were targeted in the 1834 looting of Safedand the 1834 Hebron massacre. By 1844, some sources report that Jews had become the largest population group in Jerusalem and by 1890 an absolute majority in the city.

 

[rylah]

The only reason more jews returned to Palestine in the early 1800's was due to the fact that most jews were into the reform movement , assimilation and being more accepted by different countries. Those who returned were the Orthodox Jews or Hasidic, Sofers in Palestine and the Satmar group in New York which are still there today. Hasidic Jews , which today Israel government does not want to much of.

Jews always lived in their own communities and the Rabbis were in charge and lived by Jewish Talmud Laws, of which Rabbis could enforce, and did enforce and fined jews and handed out sentences. Countries were fine with this as to keep peace and order and they got a percentage of the fine imposed.

So to say the Jews always wanted to return to Palestine is wrong, only when the reform Judaism begun did the religious Jews want to return, not the Zionist. The more countries gave rights to the reformed Jews the more these countries got to the point of saying no way, as they discovered the Jews wanted and tred to control everything and so hence is the beginning of Zionism, when even the zionoist wanted their own country and well Palestine was it.

It's maybe convenient for Your version of reality but it's not in accordance to the historic facts.
Reform Judaism has nothing to do with zionism, some of the reformers drive to synagogues by cars for Sabbath prayers.

It's simple because "Zion" and "Jerusalem" have been among the main themes in jewish daily prayers
for centuries. Mind You when jews gathered back they confirmed their connection to the land and the nation,
by having no difference in the way they practiced Judaism. No religious book was accepted nationally before
being confirmed among all prominent community leaders around the world...it's safe proof.

So here are some examples showing that that the essence of Judaism is its' homeland Israel, Jerusalem:

*After partaking of a light meal, the thanksgiving blessing states:
"Have mercy, Lord, our God...on Jerusalem, Your city; and on Zion, the resting place of Your glory... Rebuild Jerusalem, the city of holiness, speedily in our days. Bring us up into it and gladden us in its rebuilding and let us eat from its fruit and be satisfied with its goodness and bless You upon it in holiness and purity.”

*Zion and Jerusalem are mentioned 5 times in the 18-blessing Amidah prayer, the central prayer of the Jewish liturgy, which calls for the restoration of Jerusalem to the Jewish nation. It is said while facing towrds Jerusalem:
"And to Jerusalem your city may you return....Blessed are you, builder of Jerusalem." "May our eyes behold your return to Zion...Blessed are you, who restors his presence to Zion."

*The Mussaf prayer states:
"But because of our sins we have been exiled from our land and sent far from our soil...Draw our scattered ones near from among the nations, and bring in our dispersions from the ends of the earth. Bring us to Zion your city in glad song, and to Jerusalem home of your sanctuary in eternal joy."

*The Ya'a'le Ve-Yavo prayer mentions the "remembrance of Jerusalem, the city of your holiness."
In the Grace After Meals which is recited after partaking of a meal eaten with bread, the following is said:
"Have mercy Lord, our God...on Jerusalem Your city, on Zion the resting place of Your glory..." and "Rebuild Jerusalem, the holy city, soon in our days. Blessed are you God who rebuilds Jerusalem in His mercy, Amen."

That's a jews' prayer everywhere, for centuries.

 

[Penelope]

You Zionist try so hard. Only the orthodox jews were returning, and only when the pogroms started. The Zionist movement begun in 1850ish. Before that the atheist, secular Zionist didn't want to go to Palestine, they wanted to live in the cities. Jerusalem is a small part of Israel, although growing, and

lets face facts the ones in control now are not real jews from the ancient days. The Pals are the ones that never left. In that case its their land. You Zionist went there and took their farms and pushed them into Gaza(Egypt).

For you to try and go back to Bible time you best read about how your Hebrew ancestors killed the ones who lived there, and no, not because God told them to.

 

[Roudy]

You Zionist try so hard. Only the orthodox jews were returning, and only when the pogroms started. The Zionist movement begun in 1850ish. Before that the atheist, secular Zionist didn't want to go to Palestine, they wanted to live in the cities. Jerusalem is a small part of Israel, although growing, and

lets face facts the ones in control now are not real jews from the ancient days. The Pals are the ones that never left. In that case its their land. You Zionist went there and took their farms and pushed them into Gaza(Egypt).

For you to try and go back to Bible time you best read about how your Hebrew ancestors killed the ones who lived there, and no, not because God told them to.

There were no Palestinians during and before the Ottoman Empire, asylum escapee. After the Crusades began, most Jews fled to the Ottoman Empire. It wasn't only the "orthodox". Not sure if such a classification for Jews even existed at the time.

The Arabs who call themselves Palestinians are 20th century invaders from neighboring Arab lands.

True story.

 

[rylah]

You Zionist try so hard. Only the orthodox jews were returning, and only when the pogroms started. The Zionist movement begun in 1850ish. Before that the atheist, secular Zionist didn't want to go to Palestine, they wanted to live in the cities. Jerusalem is a small part of Israel, although growing, and

lets face facts the ones in control now are not real jews from the ancient days. The Pals are the ones that never left. In that case its their land. You Zionist went there and took their farms and pushed them into Gaza(Egypt).

For you to try and go back to Bible time you best read about how your Hebrew ancestors killed the ones who lived there, and no, not because God told them to.

Well here we go again....
But look at the premise of this topic- "PALESTINIANS DENYING JEWISH CONNECTION TO JERUSALEM"!
So if You accept the national side of the argument, being that Jews are a nation by definition
as also religious tradition You cannot accept the original statement of the topic.

Now "let's face the facts"- palestinians were never a nation oriniginally, nor the arabs and assyrians "there" are those original people of Pleshet. Arabs can't even pronounce
the first letter in "Palestine", how can they be palestinians? That's a '67 copy of Roman
hatred...as always nothing original in their ways.

So do Jews have connection to Jerusalem?

 

[montelatici]

You Zionist try so hard. Only the orthodox jews were returning, and only when the pogroms started. The Zionist movement begun in 1850ish. Before that the atheist, secular Zionist didn't want to go to Palestine, they wanted to live in the cities. Jerusalem is a small part of Israel, although growing, and

lets face facts the ones in control now are not real jews from the ancient days. The Pals are the ones that never left. In that case its their land. You Zionist went there and took their farms and pushed them into Gaza(Egypt).

For you to try and go back to Bible time you best read about how your Hebrew ancestors killed the ones who lived there, and no, not because God told them to.

There were no Palestinians during and before the Ottoman Empire, asylum escapee. After the Crusades began, most Jews fled to the Ottoman Empire. It wasn't only the "orthodox". Not sure if such a classification for Jews even existed at the time.

The Arabs who call themselves Palestinians are 20th century invaders from neighboring Arab lands.

True story.

"After the Crusades began, most Jews fled to the Ottoman Empire. "

The last Crusade ended in 1291, the Ottoman Empire wasn't established until 1299, you moron. Constant bullshit from you.

The Palestinians are the descendants of the people that have always lived in Palestine. Cut and pasting Zionist fairy tales doesn't change the facts.

Nothing you post is true.

 

[Roudy]

You Zionist try so hard. Only the orthodox jews were returning, and only when the pogroms started. The Zionist movement begun in 1850ish. Before that the atheist, secular Zionist didn't want to go to Palestine, they wanted to live in the cities. Jerusalem is a small part of Israel, although growing, and

lets face facts the ones in control now are not real jews from the ancient days. The Pals are the ones that never left. In that case its their land. You Zionist went there and took their farms and pushed them into Gaza(Egypt).

For you to try and go back to Bible time you best read about how your Hebrew ancestors killed the ones who lived there, and no, not because God told them to.

Well here we go again....
But look at the premise of this topic- "PALESTINIANS DENYING JEWISH CONNECTION TO JERUSALEM"!
So if You accept the national side of the argument, being that Jews are a nation by definition
as also religious tradition You cannot accept the original statement of the topic.

So do Jews have connection to Jerusalem?

According to the Penepoop the asylum escapee with a Palestinian boyfriend, even if Jews have a connection to Jerusalem, THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO....BECAUSE THEY'RE JEWS!

 

[Penelope]

We really have a problem here don't we? Just who are the Jebusites that are in the OT of which jews deny?

The politicians Yasser Arafat[25] and Faisal Husseini[26] have claimed that the Palestinian Arabs may be descended from the Jebusites, in contrast to the more common Palestinian Arab claim that they are descended from the Canaanites. Thus, the 1978 Al-Mawsu'at Al-Filastinniya (Palestinian encyclopedia) asserted, "The Palestinians [are] the descendants of the Jebusites, who are of Arab origin," and described Jerusalem as "an Arab city because its first builders were the Canaanite Jebusites, whose descendants are the Palestinians."[27]

There is no archaeological evidence to support the claim of Jebusite-Arab-Palestinian continuity

Judges 1:21 portrays the Jebusites as continuing to dwell at Jerusalem, within the territory otherwise occupied by the Tribe of Benjamin.

Certain modern archaeologists now believe that the conquest of Canaan by the Israelites under Joshua simply didn't happen, and that the Israelites actually originated as a subculture in Canaanite society;[17] some biblical scholars believe that the accounts in the Book of Joshua are cobbled together from folk memory of disconnected battles, with numerous different aggressors, which occurred over a time period of over 200 years.[17][5][18]

According to the Books of Samuel, the Jebusites still had control of Jerusalem at the time of King David, but David wished to take control of the city; understandably the Jebusites contested his attempt to do this, and since Jebus was the strongest fortress in Canaan they gloated that even the blind and lame could defeat David's army; an alternative, equally valid, translation of the Jebusite's statement is that they said David would have to defeat the blind and lame before anyone else

Jebusite - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

So now either the Palestinians are the ancient Hebrews and jews or they are the original owners of Palestine.

No Jebusites , no King David or Solomon.

 

[Penelope]

You Zionist try so hard. Only the orthodox jews were returning, and only when the pogroms started. The Zionist movement begun in 1850ish. Before that the atheist, secular Zionist didn't want to go to Palestine, they wanted to live in the cities. Jerusalem is a small part of Israel, although growing, and

lets face facts the ones in control now are not real jews from the ancient days. The Pals are the ones that never left. In that case its their land. You Zionist went there and took their farms and pushed them into Gaza(Egypt).

For you to try and go back to Bible time you best read about how your Hebrew ancestors killed the ones who lived there, and no, not because God told them to.

Well here we go again....
But look at the premise of this topic- "PALESTINIANS DENYING JEWISH CONNECTION TO JERUSALEM"!
So if You accept the national side of the argument, being that Jews are a nation by definition
as also religious tradition You cannot accept the original statement of the topic.

So do Jews have connection to Jerusalem?

According to the Penepoop the asylum escapee with a Palestinian boyfriend, even if Jews have a connection to Jerusalem, THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO....BECAUSE THEY'RE JEWS!

For one thing I'm married to a lapsed RC American Caucasian man, and it seems that we have a problem , just who are the Jews that you talk about??