BluesLegend
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In America "conservative" is what used to be called "liberal." The Founders were liberals. Today's conservatives mirror the Founders' values and ideals.Its not an excuse its a FACT! Unlike the koolaid drinking libs in the Democratic party we conservatives are frequently at odds with the GOP establishment and call them out. The GOP ran more than 40,000 ads promising to defund Obamacare and Obama's executive amnesty in the last election, then one of the first things they did was fund both of them. Conservatives are hopping mad over this and called them out.
There are conservative all over the world who have been calling themselves "conservatives" decades. The "establishment conservatives" are still much more to the right than their counterparts around the world. The folks who recently started calling themselves "true conservatives" are actually far right or fringe extreme conservatives on the world's big stage. Claiming to be "true conservatives" is moving the bar pretty far to the right.
Conservatives are not far right or extreme or any of the other LIES told about them. Conservatives ARE the center.
To the left you have RINO's and the GOP establishment who frequently talk like a conservative and act like a leftist. Close to them you have the wishy washy so called independents, then classic Democrats. Further left are the lying lowlife scum liberals.
Out in lala land you have a tiny fraction of whackos people like to associate with Conservatives but they are just an island of nutters not conservatives.
Well Blues, I'm basing my train of thought on forums that include folks from around the world such as an international political forum I participate in and also the old Atlantic Monthly forum which was heavily populated by Europeans. I have family spread out across the the Pacific Rim as my New Zealand family is involved in importing/exporting throughout the Pacific Rim. There is quite a general consensuses that the traditional (establishment) American conservative movement is farther to the right than the rest of the world's conservatives and that the grouping claiming to be "true conservatives" are even further to the right.
So I'm simply giving you a world view versus an American view.
What people in Europe call Conservative is very different.
And today's liberals are not liberals at all. They are Progressives, which makes them second cousins to Italy's Fascists.
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