'Pedophile Protection Act' Heads to Senate Committee

[Bullypulpit]

ROFL...

This thread is what is known as an “Ideological ROUTE”... Overwhelming; total; undeniable victory.

As is the case in EVERY instance where immutable principle is set at contest with the cultural decay that is the purpose of the ideological left and they are denied the power to manipulate the language... which they overtly use to shave the corners off of the intellectual puzzle to make it LOOK as though the pieces fit.

We have fought these people to a stand still... which has left them with nothing left to say, except the usual spurious retorts claiming ignorance where no evidence of any facet is presented except that which refutes itself...

"Sexual orientation" is a term which IS politically loaded... and it is such BECAUSE THEY; the ideological left, DESIGNED the phrase to be POLITICALLY LOADED; meaning that the phrase was designed to politically VALIDATE homosexuality...

As is the case with the changing of the homosexual label to 'Gay'; the 'scientific terminology' of 'sexual orientation' was designed to legitimize homosexuality... and while many of us have argued such for DECADES... this long predicted turn of events only makes it MORE obvious.

'Homosexuality is merely a 'sexual orientation' which is to say, that homosexuals are perfectly normal, except for their 'sexual orientation'... '

Thus the implication is that 'sexual orientation' is a harmless deviation from the norm which is healthy in every respect, despite representing a slight deviation from the sexual baseline, norm... until one comes to consider that Pedophilia is ALSO a sexual orientation; wherein, by all objective measures, pedophiles are perfectly normal people, except for their sexual orientation...

Thus; "Homosexuality is a sexual orientation/ Pedophilia is a sexual orientation and by all objective measures, both provide that the individuals afflicted with such Sexual Orientations are otherwise... PERFECTLY NORMAL, except for their little 'disorder'...

But what you need to understand is that this deceit is how the 'normalization' of homosexuality was sold... 20 years; or one generation ago.

In that time; this "SCIENTIFIC" analysis... declaring homosexuality as a ‘sexual orientation,’ was used to promote homosexuality as a 'lifestyle.' And it was this which was used to promote the erroneous notion that homosexuality was barely distinguishable from ‘the norm’ and is in some circles considered to BE the norm... which has resulted in what we were assured would NEVER be asked of us... The definition of Marriage, the keystone element of the culture itself... is now being redefined, turned on it's rhetorical head, to include this mental disorder... this 'sexual orientation'... this deviancy... this perversion... this 'mental disorder'... and even BEFORE THAT CATASTROPHE is crossed... we find the SAME people who gave us all the discredited assurances that such could NEVER HAPPEN... that the mere suggestion that such COULD happen was ABSURD!... they've come to sign into law, a bill, which uses raw subterfuge to provide civil protections for the advocates of adult/child sex...

The Leftist Ideology, which carries the North American Man/Boy Love Association; NAMBLA; and the political party in which that ideology travels; the US Democrat Party... has written up and debated a bill, and overtly REJECTED the exclusion of pedophilia in this 'hate crime bill', which provides exponentially greater penalties for those who assault sexual misfits and freaks... of which the Pedophile is a undeniable member.

And THAT is why the left can not allow Pedophilia to even be discussed as a “Sexual Orientation;” wherein, it is recognized that by all objective measures, pedophiles are perfectly normal people, except for their sexual orientation… because THAT IMMUTABLE TRUTH will awaken the apolitical, who otherwise lend support to these idiots and establish the popular consensus… the great unwashed will find it MUCH harder to not only NOT support the normalization of Pedophiles... but the continued normalization of HOMOSEXUALITY as well; particularly in subverting the definition of Marriage… and THAT CANNOT HAPPEN!

It’s no more complex than this:
"Homosexuality is a sexual orientation/ Pedophilia is a sexual orientation and by all objective measures, both circumstances provide that the individuals AFFLICTED with such Sexual Orientations are PERFECTLY NORMAL, except for this little 'disorders'...

Given that your ideology has no basis in fact and but a nodding acquaintance with reality, it should come as no surprise to anyone that you claim your own ideological route as a "victory". Until you can offer objective proof of demonstrable harm to individuals or communities by allowing same gender couples to marry, you have nothing. Nothing but another straw-man to set up and brazenly claim "VICTORY!" as you knock it over. Pathetic...Really.

Bull... dude... we're not talking about queer marriage... did you forget what the thread was about already? Or are you still stinging from your verbal ass kicking PI has given you?

You LIBERALS want a law that PROTECTS PEDOPHILES. THAT IS A FACT. YOU CAN'T DENY IT, YOU CAN'T DEFEND IT.... unless you are aligning yourself with the pedophiles...

What's to defend? Pedophilia and child molestation ARE crimes and NOTHING in the Matthew Shepard Act grants pedophiles and child molesters ANY protection under the law. Your only point is the false association you and your fellow travelers make between homosexuality and pedophilia, and your dumb ass has long since been beaten like a gong on that issue.

You and PubliusIgnotus haven't any leg to stand on here beyond your own ignorance, pugnacity, insecurity and feelings of inadequacy and impotence. With a foundation like that, it's no wonder your arguments routinely collapse like a house of cards.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Given that your ideology has no basis in fact and but a nodding acquaintance with reality, it should come as no surprise to anyone that you claim your own ideological route as a "victory". Until you can offer objective proof of demonstrable harm to individuals or communities by allowing same gender couples to marry, you have nothing. Nothing but another straw-man to set up and brazenly claim "VICTORY!" as you knock it over. Pathetic...Really.

Bull... dude... we're not talking about queer marriage... did you forget what the thread was about already? Or are you still stinging from your verbal ass kicking PI has given you?

You LIBERALS want a law that PROTECTS PEDOPHILES. THAT IS A FACT. YOU CAN'T DENY IT, YOU CAN'T DEFEND IT.... unless you are aligning yourself with the pedophiles...

What's to defend? Pedophilia and child molestation ARE crimes and NOTHING in the Matthew Shepard Act grants pedophiles and child molesters ANY protection under the law.

ROFLMNAO...

Isn't that cute? It's as if someone had suggested that this bill was legalizing pedophilia... Which of course, would have been the equivilent of the Homosexual Lobby having gained control of the congress in 1957 and passed a bill normalizing Homsexuality... It would have been political suicide and resulted int he impeachment of every member who signed it...

What this bill does, is to provide PROTECTION TO SEXUAL ORIENTATION, through the declaration that ANY attack on anyone who is known to BE operating under the general heading of a deviant sexual orientation, will be determined to have committed a HATE CRIME; and punished in the same terms as if they had committed a CAPITAL CRIME.

Thus the result is what? The result is legislation, which in effect makes it a capital crime to HATE Sexual deviancy... and to act upon that hate; action which amounts to a crime... which is merely waiting on the threshold of a crime to be lowered sufficiently to make the practice of oppossing such, say... in writing, or on the radio or television... a crime; say operating a Radio Station without providing a subjectively acceptable element of 'equal time...' Where such is at some point determined to be a crime; and where such was found advancing anti-deviant sexual orientation advocacy... such could easily be construed to be a 'hate crime' under this bill; and all one needs there is to get such a case before the right court... and all one needs for that is to get that case to the 9th circuit... and that's not even a generation away from high probability.

These are subtle steps... all of which are means to subvert the Judeo-Christian value system, on which America rests...

That's all it is... just overt, intentional, open subversion of the American Culture...

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

And THAT kids... is how one defeats the left on ANY issue... They'll laugh, of course, but the laugh always presents a nervous quality and when it's all said and done... immutable reason trumps knee-jerk irrational emotion... and that is ALL the left has... and this without exception.

They'll now prefer to sulk away from this debate and hope that their failure within it... will simply pass into obscurity... because THAT is who these people are... they're liars and thieves and cultural subversives of the first order.

Where they rarely manage to pop back in... their comments will be in the form of addle-minded ad homs... and other forms of invalid obfuscation and unsound deception.

Which serves reason, as that is the nature of the cultural subversive...

Publidude, you remind me of a goofy dog who staggers away from a crash with a sliding glass door saying "I meant to to that!" to no one in particular.

-Joe

PI... don't ya love it when what you say just got validated? I mean... the pathetic part is, this moron probably didn't even know he was throwing you a joker to your four aces in a wild card poker hand.

LOL... Ain't it cool, PR?

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Here is the thing, why would something be twisted to the extreme to "protect" a criminal act (which has many laws calling it such) which no sane person in the modern US has ever considered acceptable?

ROFL...

I suppose if we were dealing with sane people, that might be a reasonable position. But we're dealing with people who believe in their heart of hearts that they have a RIGHT to kill the most innocent human life on earth, so they can free themselves of the responsibility of conception, for the purposes of casual sexual intercourse...

The same people who believe that increasing liability ont he markets will increase market productivity and lead to economic prosperity...

The same people who claim they advocate for FREEDOM, and do so by declaring a RIGHT to the product of the labor of the Free individual, to subsidize the life of another; a policy which they use to gain POWER over that free individual to implement policy which at every turn strips them of the means to freely exercise their valid and sustainable human rights...

The same people who CLAIM to advocate for HUMAN RIGHTS and who at every point of contest advocate to transfer the responsibility which sustains those rights to the government; which uses that responsibility to infringe on the means of the individual to EXERCISE THOSE RIGHTS...

So... what ya have here, is a bill which strips the individual from homdling the pedophile accountable, PERSONALLY... making the act of doing so, A CAPTIAL CRIME... in effect transferring the impression that such is a lessor crime than Molesting children... and where such is rendered a lessor crime... the impression that such LOONS, as those noted above, is that it is a greater crime to HATE the pedophile than it is to BE A PEDOPHILE... thus raising the cultural status OF the pedophile, to above that of those that are said to HATE THEM...

Now who hates the pedophile? Normal people or abnormal people?

When ever you're ready Kitty...

 

[Ravi]

Pedophilia is both a crime and a mental disorder, unlike homosexuality or heterosexuality.

Get medical help, Pubic...I don't think there is a cure for your problem but perhaps a way can be found to keep you from committing any crime.

 

[007]

Pedophilia is both a crime and a mental disorder, unlike homosexuality or heterosexuality.

Get medical help, Pubic...I don't think there is a cure for your problem but perhaps a way can be found to keep you from committing any crime.

Yes, pedophilia is a mental disorder, just like homosexuality. But now, thanks to you LIBERALS, pedophiles will enjoy new protection under a new law. PEDOPHILES are now PROTECTED, thanks to you LIBERALS! You get that? What part about that is escaping you?

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

...Until you can offer objective proof of demonstrable harm to individuals or communities by allowing same gender couples to marry, you have nothing ... Really.

Hmm... Oh that's a real show stopper... Demonstrable harm? Huh...
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I wonder what that term could mean to a lunatic, such as yourself?
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I know what it means to me... "demonstrable harm" says 'harm which can be demonstrated...'
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Of course... the hazard here, is always in the noun...

In this case "HARM"... and what this imbecile is willing to admit that word defines...

IF 'they were reasonable people'... this would be a non brainer... because 'harm' has a very clear and unambiguous meaning...

harm [haarm]
n
damage or injury: physical, mental, or moral impairment or deterioration

The problem comes in at the point where the secularist is not prepared to accept the definition of the nouns in THAT definition... as has been REPEATEDLY noted, in this and thousands of others... the left prefers to reinvent the meaning of such words, so as to use the revised meanings as a means to 'trim the edges' from the pieces of the rhetorical puzzle, to make it appear that the edges all fit right together...

In this case it's the element of the definition wherein the word 'harm' means to impart damage of injury through 'moral impairment or deterioration'...

Ya see kids, the whole argument against the normalization of the homo-sexual orientation... AKA: The Homo-sexually oriented lifestyle... is that such produces a lowering of the cultural standard of acceptable PUBLIC BEHAVIOR...

Which the advocates of homosexuality have ALWAYS REJECTED on its FACE.

We said, way back in the 1970s... "If we just accept homosexuals as 'decent people,' that will give the impression that Homosexuality itself is 'decent'... and such will subject the culture to ever wider acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle; where the impressionable will look at such as a viable alternative... inevitably such can only lead to the DEMAND that because homosexuals are considered and what will inevitably come to be known by future generations AS 'decent people', that this acceptance of homosexuality will IN AND OF ITSELF lead to the cultural understanding that HOMOSEXUALITY IS DECENT, thus normal, thus, FURTHER opening such up as a viable alternative; particularly for the young and impressionable youth, who will use it as a means of rebellion... until at some point, the fabric of the culture itself will begin to tear open a gulf which will provide that homosexuals will be seen as qualifying for Marriage... where the culture will have to redefine the scope of Marriage to include, NOT a MAN AND A WOMAN... but two men, or two women...

And they DEMANDED THAT SUCH "IS NONSENSE..." that ALL they were asking for is for homosexuals to be treated well; to not be beaten just because of their 'sexual orientation'... to not lose their jobs, to not be denied housing and credit...

"NO!" we said... it's absurd to believe that IF WE LOWER THE CULTURAL STANDARD THAT THE BEHAVIOR WHICH IS SEt AGAINST THAT STANDARD WILL REACT IN ANY WAY OTHER THAN TO REALIZE, A LOWER AVERAGE... And at some point, other deviants will begin to demand their 'equal rights'...


All of these debates were taking place in the early to mid 1970s... And this was a debate that we frankly lost... the Apolitical who comprise: The Great Unwashed... succumbed to the idiocy of cultural subversion and simply grew weary of the chronic arguing and the slew of media reports designed to demonstrate the 'reasonable-ness of the homosexual advocacy... wherein homosexuals were being beaten due to their 'sexual orientation' eventually resulted a sifnificant percentage of the population simply coming to accept homosexuals as 'decent people'...

Shortly after that, a new acronym came on the scene... NAMBLA... The National Man/Boy LOVE Association... which is a group that formed directly out of the Boston 'Gay' community... where 'decent men who were simply oriented differently, 'sexually speaking,' were found practicing a LIFESTYLE, which required them to "LOVE" young boys; and were found taking photos of their "LOVING" those young boys and distributing them to other "decent men" of this "sexually oriented lifestyle" whose only crime is that they tended to focus their LOVE by seducing young boys in CONCENSUAL sexual relations...

Of course at that time, and to a lesser degree, even today, such remains taboo... but here we sit... having 'crossed the bridge into the 20th century' and behind us is the Presidency which blazed a trail of sexual freedom, which instilled in that generation of middle-schoolers, the hot new trend of giving blow jobs... Which was perfectly 'decent' because we had been told by the highest of secular moral authorities that such 'isn't sex'... and besides... it's FUN and exciting and it pisses off their parents...

Today, 'freinds with benefits' is a common phrase, used to describe the casual relationship where boys and girls pal about and when the lights go out, they just knock one off and no one's the worse for wear... after all, if the young lady conceives a child, she just takes a pill and kills it... or if she misses that, well she just pays the $600 bucks and has it crushed up and flushed into the clinic sink... NO BIG DEAL THERE! It's her RIGHT! And NO ONE can explain why these young kids are suffering 'low self esteem...' It's a real mystery... But SCIENCE is working on it... and there are MANY wonderful pharmaceuticals which can be used to lift those saggy esteems RIGHT ON UP!

And finally... we sit here today and gaze upon the cultural landscape to witness the now FIVE STATES which have redefined marriage to include the joining of two men or two women...

With the "TRIADS" in the wings, waiting to demand their RIGHTS... "TRIAD" of course are the friendly and all too 'decent' community of the 'polyamorous' {That's a SCIENTIFIC TERM, SO IT'S PERFECTLY VALID; meaning they're all decent people...} and similiar alternative lifestyle communities who are interested in decent, committed relationships of three or more people...

Triad Marriage

And finally… there’s the pending Bill which provides penalties comparable to CAPITAL PUNISHMENT for those citizens that assault a PEDOPHILE… Which is to say a Man or women who joins with a child in a CONCENSUAL LOVING RELATIONSHIP… In effect providing civil protections for such; making these ‘decent people’ a protected class of the citizenry…

So where someone asks for PROOF of demonstrable harm to the culture, from the normalization of sexual deviancy... I'd say that covers it... at least where HARM is defined, AGAIN, as:

harm [haarm]
n
damage or injury: physical, mental, or moral impairment or deterioration


Now let the record reflect, that this ignoramus will not accept that definition; which is taken from Webster's Collegiate 2009... as it speaks to the subjective element of moral impairment or deterioration... as that implies RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLE; and given that she erroneously believes that 'RELIGION is NEVER SUITABLE FOR LAW '... 'cause, after all... the Constitution says so...'

Otherwise, that is what I like to call a kill shot... and except where people are not reasonable... it is accepted as such.

 

[007]

Bull... dude... we're not talking about queer marriage... did you forget what the thread was about already? Or are you still stinging from your verbal ass kicking PI has given you?

You LIBERALS want a law that PROTECTS PEDOPHILES. THAT IS A FACT. YOU CAN'T DENY IT, YOU CAN'T DEFEND IT.... unless you are aligning yourself with the pedophiles...

What's to defend? Pedophilia and child molestation ARE crimes and NOTHING in the Matthew Shepard Act grants pedophiles and child molesters ANY protection under the law.

ROFLMNAO...

Isn't that cute? It's as if someone had suggested that this bill was legalizing pedophilia... Which of course, would have been the equivilent of the Homosexual Lobby having gained control of the congress in 1957 and passed a bill normalizing Homsexuality... It would have been political suicide and resulted int he impeachment of every member who signed it...

What this bill does, is to provide PROTECTION TO SEXUAL ORIENTATION, through the declaration that ANY attack on anyone who is known to BE operating under the general heading of a deviant sexual orientation, will be determined to have committed a HATE CRIME; and punished in the same terms as if they had committed a CAPITAL CRIME.

Thus the result is what? The result is legislation, which in effect makes it a capital crime to HATE Sexual deviancy... and to act upon that hate; action which amounts to a crime... which is merely waiting on the threshold of a crime to be lowered sufficiently to make the practice of oppossing such, say... in writing, or on the radio or television... a crime; say operating a Radio Station without providing a subjectively acceptable element of 'equal time...' Where such is at some point determined to be a crime; and where such was found advancing anti-deviant sexual orientation advocacy... such could easily be construed to be a 'hate crime' under this bill; and all one needs there is to get such a case before the right court... and all one needs for that is to get that case to the 9th circuit... and that's not even a generation away from high probability.

These are subtle steps... all of which are means to subvert the Judeo-Christian value system, on which America rests...

That's all it is... just overt, intentional, open subversion of the American Culture...

PI... I've seen you EXPLAIN this now OVER AND OVER in this thread, in simple enough terms that a SECOND GRADER could understand it.

So what I see happening here is, THE LIBERALS CANNOT DEFEND THIS LAW with the provision to PROTECT PEDOPHILES, so they're obfuscating, twisting, spinning and lying the issue, for no other reason that I can see but to argue. Argue because we DARE say ANYTHING against their beloved HOMOSEXUALS, and now it appears, THEIR BELOVED PEDOPHILES.

 

[Nik]

Pedophilia is both a crime and a mental disorder, unlike homosexuality or heterosexuality.

Get medical help, Pubic...I don't think there is a cure for your problem but perhaps a way can be found to keep you from committing any crime.

Yes, pedophilia is a mental disorder, just like homosexuality. But now, thanks to you LIBERALS, pedophiles will enjoy new protection under a new law. PEDOPHILES are now PROTECTED, thanks to you LIBERALS! You get that? What part about that is escaping you?

The thing that we dumb liberals are having trouble grasping is how this bill, which doesn't mention anything about pedophilia, nor does it mention any class that pedophilia falls under, protects pedophiles. Oh wait, thats cause it doesn't. Jackass.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Pedophilia is both a crime and a mental disorder, unlike homosexuality or heterosexuality.

Get medical help, Pubic...I don't think there is a cure for your problem but perhaps a way can be found to keep you from committing any crime.

Yes, pedophilia is a mental disorder, just like homosexuality. But now, thanks to you LIBERALS, pedophiles will enjoy new protection under a new law. PEDOPHILES are now PROTECTED, thanks to you LIBERALS! You get that? What part about that is escaping you?

The thing that we dumb liberals are having trouble grasping is how this bill, which doesn't mention anything about pedophilia, nor does it mention any class that pedophilia falls under, protects pedophiles. Oh wait, thats cause it doesn't. Jackass.

Pedophilia is a "Sexual Orientation"... Which just happens to be the ONLY thing that this bill is concerned with; which is to say, that Sexual Orientation represents the only issue of relevance in the bill.

Now this member will, AT BEST, return to repeat the same discredited arguments, which hope to revise the meaning of 'sexual orientation' to exclude any orientation of sexuality which does not specifically promote the notion that homoseuxality is perfectly normal and it's NOT DEVIANT... except for the slightest of deviations from the baseline norm... which amount to it running only 180 degrees counter to that baseline...

Again... She will RAISE THE SPECTER OF SCIENCE! And the SCIENTISTS who 'study' this issue and have 'determined' that Pedophilia is NOT A SEXUAL ORIENTATION... which only proves that those who have come to such a conclusion are NOT SCIENTISTS, but ideological advocates of cultural subversion, WHO MISUSE THE FACADE OF SCIENTIFIC OBJECTIVITY, to project a thoroughly absurd SUBJECTIVE OPINION... to be HARD SCIENTIFIC FACT.

They're liars... they are purveyors of sophistry, who use spurious reasoning to prop up specious conclusions for the purposes of raw deception...

They are: THE PROBLEM!

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Pedophilia is both a crime and a mental disorder, unlike homosexuality or heterosexuality.

Get medical help, Pubic...I don't think there is a cure for your problem but perhaps a way can be found to keep you from committing any crime.

No... there's no cure of the means to recognize and impart immutable reason.

FTR: there is virtually no distinction, between the 'Sexual Orientation' which comprises the mental disorder common to the pedophile and that of the homosexual... and such exemplifies the same perversion, born of the same sexual deviancy...

That Pedophilia is a CRIME is a semantic distinction of ABSOLUTELY NO RELEVANCE... except that it establishes that the legal aspect is the full measure of your contest and where such legal circumstances were to change... you'd have no problem with it.. and no doubt would conclude that those who stand against such on MORAL GROUNDS were simple extremists... who fail to tolerate or accept those of differing 'orientations'...

 

[Bullypulpit]

Isn't that cute? It's as if someone had suggested that this bill was legalizing pedophilia... Which of course, would have been the equivilent of the Homosexual Lobby having gained control of the congress in 1957 and passed a bill normalizing Homsexuality... It would have been political suicide and resulted int he impeachment of every member who signed it...

What this bill does, is to provide PROTECTION TO SEXUAL ORIENTATION, through the declaration that ANY attack on anyone who is known to BE operating under the general heading of a deviant sexual orientation, will be determined to have committed a HATE CRIME; and punished in the same terms as if they had committed a CAPITAL CRIME.

Thus the result is what? The result is legislation, which in effect makes it a capital crime to HATE Sexual deviancy... and to act upon that hate; action which amounts to a crime... which is merely waiting on the threshold of a crime to be lowered sufficiently to make the practice of oppossing such, say... in writing, or on the radio or television... a crime; say operating a Radio Station without providing a subjectively acceptable element of 'equal time...' Where such is at some point determined to be a crime; and where such was found advancing anti-deviant sexual orientation advocacy... such could easily be construed to be a 'hate crime' under this bill; and all one needs there is to get such a case before the right court... and all one needs for that is to get that case to the 9th circuit... and that's not even a generation away from high probability.

These are subtle steps... all of which are means to subvert the Judeo-Christian value system, on which America rests...

That's all it is... just overt, intentional, open subversion of the American Culture...

Pedophilia is not a "sexual orientation". It is a mental illness and a crime. Homosexuality is neither a mental illness, nor a crime. The objections you, PR and the rest of your fellow travelers are simply an attempt to conflate homosexuality with pedophilia despite the fact that pedophiles have no defined adult sexual orientation. Their fixation lies, not with gender, but age.

Your efforts are no different from those of racist southerners during the Jim Crow era...putting forth the stereotype of animalistic black men having no other goal in life but the rape of white women. A stereotype no more true then than the myth of pedophiles being homosexuals now.

As for subverting Christianity, you and your fellow travelers are doing well enough at that absent any outside help.

So grow up and grow something between your ears other than lint and ear wax.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

...Until you can offer objective proof of demonstrable harm to individuals or communities by allowing same gender couples to marry, you have nothing ... Really.

Hmm... Oh that's a real show stopper... Demonstrable harm? Huh...
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I wonder what that term could mean to a lunatic, such as yourself?
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I know what it means to me... "demonstrable harm" says 'harm which can be demonstrated...'
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Of course... the hazard here, is always in the noun...

In this case "HARM"... and what this imbecile is willing to admit that word defines...

IF 'they were reasonable people'... this would be a non brainer... because 'harm' has a very clear and unambiguous meaning...

harm [haarm]
n
damage or injury: physical, mental, or moral impairment or deterioration

The problem comes in at the point where the secularist is not prepared to accept the definition of the nouns in THAT definition... as has been REPEATEDLY noted, in this and thousands of others... the left prefers to reinvent the meaning of such words, so as to use the revised meanings as a means to 'trim the edges' from the pieces of the rhetorical puzzle, to make it appear that the edges all fit right together...

In this case it's the element of the definition wherein the word 'harm' means to impart damage of injury through 'moral impairment or deterioration'...

Ya see kids, the whole argument against the normalization of the homo-sexual orientation... AKA: The Homo-sexually oriented lifestyle... is that such produces a lowering of the cultural standard of acceptable PUBLIC BEHAVIOR...

Which the advocates of homosexuality have ALWAYS REJECTED on its FACE.

We said, way back in the 1970s... "If we just accept homosexuals as 'decent people,' that will give the impression that Homosexuality itself is 'decent'... and such will subject the culture to ever wider acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle; where the impressionable will look at such as a viable alternative... inevitably such can only lead to the DEMAND that because homosexuals are considered and what will inevitably come to be known by future generations AS 'decent people', that this acceptance of homosexuality will IN AND OF ITSELF lead to the cultural understanding that HOMOSEXUALITY IS DECENT, thus normal, thus, FURTHER opening such up as a viable alternative; particularly for the young and impressionable youth, who will use it as a means of rebellion... until at some point, the fabric of the culture itself will begin to tear open a gulf which will provide that homosexuals will be seen as qualifying for Marriage... where the culture will have to redefine the scope of Marriage to include, NOT a MAN AND A WOMAN... but two men, or two women...

And they DEMANDED THAT SUCH "IS NONSENSE..." that ALL they were asking for is for homosexuals to be treated well; to not be beaten just because of their 'sexual orientation'... to not lose their jobs, to not be denied housing and credit...

"NO!" we said... it's absurd to believe that IF WE LOWER THE CULTURAL STANDARD THAT THE BEHAVIOR WHICH IS SEt AGAINST THAT STANDARD WILL REACT IN ANY WAY OTHER THAN TO REALIZE, A LOWER AVERAGE... And at some point, other deviants will begin to demand their 'equal rights'...


All of these debates were taking place in the early to mid 1970s... And this was a debate that we frankly lost... the Apolitical who comprise: The Great Unwashed... succumbed to the idiocy of cultural subversion and simply grew weary of the chronic arguing and the slew of media reports designed to demonstrate the 'reasonable-ness of the homosexual advocacy... wherein homosexuals were being beaten due to their 'sexual orientation' eventually resulted a sifnificant percentage of the population simply coming to accept homosexuals as 'decent people'...

Shortly after that, a new acronym came on the scene... NAMBLA... The National Man/Boy LOVE Association... which is a group that formed directly out of the Boston 'Gay' community... where 'decent men who were simply oriented differently, 'sexually speaking,' were found practicing a LIFESTYLE, which required them to "LOVE" young boys; and were found taking photos of their "LOVING" those young boys and distributing them to other "decent men" of this "sexually oriented lifestyle" whose only crime is that they tended to focus their LOVE by seducing young boys in CONCENSUAL sexual relations...

Of course at that time, and to a lesser degree, even today, such remains taboo... but here we sit... having 'crossed the bridge into the 20th century' and behind us is the Presidency which blazed a trail of sexual freedom, which instilled in that generation of middle-schoolers, the hot new trend of giving blow jobs... Which was perfectly 'decent' because we had been told by the highest of secular moral authorities that such 'isn't sex'... and besides... it's FUN and exciting and it pisses off their parents...

Today, 'freinds with benefits' is a common phrase, used to describe the casual relationship where boys and girls pal about and when the lights go out, they just knock one off and no one's the worse for wear... after all, if the young lady conceives a child, she just takes a pill and kills it... or if she misses that, well she just pays the $600 bucks and has it crushed up and flushed into the clinic sink... NO BIG DEAL THERE! It's her RIGHT! And NO ONE can explain why these young kids are suffering 'low self esteem...' It's a real mystery... But SCIENCE is working on it... and there are MANY wonderful pharmaceuticals which can be used to lift those saggy esteems RIGHT ON UP!

And finally... we sit here today and gaze upon the cultural landscape to witness the now FIVE STATES which have redefined marriage to include the joining of two men or two women...

With the "TRIADS" in the wings, waiting to demand their RIGHTS... "TRIAD" of course are the friendly and all too 'decent' community of the 'polyamorous' {That's a SCIENTIFIC TERM, SO IT'S PERFECTLY VALID; meaning they're all decent people...} and similiar alternative lifestyle communities who are interested in decent, committed relationships of three or more people...

Triad Marriage

And finally… there’s the pending Bill which provides penalties comparable to CAPITAL PUNISHMENT for those citizens that assault a PEDOPHILE… Which is to say a Man or women who joins with a child in a CONCENSUAL LOVING RELATIONSHIP… In effect providing civil protections for such; making these ‘decent people’ a protected class of the citizenry…

So where someone asks for PROOF of demonstrable harm to the culture, from the normalization of sexual deviancy... I'd say that covers it... at least where HARM is defined, AGAIN, as:

harm [haarm]
n
damage or injury: physical, mental, or moral impairment or deterioration


Now let the record reflect, that this ignoramus will not accept that definition; which is taken from Webster's Collegiate 2009... as it speaks to the subjective element of moral impairment or deterioration... as that implies RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLE; and given that she erroneously believes that 'RELIGION is NEVER SUITABLE FOR LAW '... 'cause, after all... the Constitution says so...'

Otherwise, that is what I like to call a kill shot... and except where people are not reasonable... it is accepted as such.

Wellll ALlllll Righty Thennnn...

First things first...

Let the record reflect that this member has opted to avoid the above argument and in so doing has CONCEDED that argument...

Which isn't a surpise to anyone... it just simply needs to be noted, for the record.

Isn't that cute? It's as if someone had suggested that this bill was legalizing pedophilia... Which of course, would have been the equivilent of the Homosexual Lobby having gained control of the congress in 1957 and passed a bill normalizing Homsexuality... It would have been political suicide and resulted int he impeachment of every member who signed it...

What this bill does, is to provide PROTECTION TO SEXUAL ORIENTATION, through the declaration that ANY attack on anyone who is known to BE operating under the general heading of a deviant sexual orientation, will be determined to have committed a HATE CRIME; and punished in the same terms as if they had committed a CAPITAL CRIME.

Thus the result is what? The result is legislation, which in effect makes it a capital crime to HATE Sexual deviancy... and to act upon that hate; action which amounts to a crime... which is merely waiting on the threshold of a crime to be lowered sufficiently to make the practice of oppossing such, say... in writing, or on the radio or television... a crime; say operating a Radio Station without providing a subjectively acceptable element of 'equal time...' Where such is at some point determined to be a crime; and where such was found advancing anti-deviant sexual orientation advocacy... such could easily be construed to be a 'hate crime' under this bill; and all one needs there is to get such a case before the right court... and all one needs for that is to get that case to the 9th circuit... and that's not even a generation away from high probability.

These are subtle steps... all of which are means to subvert the Judeo-Christian value system, on which America rests...

That's all it is... just overt, intentional, open subversion of the American Culture...

Pedophilia is not a "sexual orientation". It is a mental illness and a crime. Homosexuality is neither a mental illness, nor a crime. The objections you, PR and the rest of your fellow travelers are simply an attempt to conflate homosexuality with pedophilia despite the fact that pedophiles have no defined adult sexual orientation. Their fixation lies, not with gender, but age.

Your efforts are no different from those of racist southerners during the Jim Crow era...putting forth the stereotype of animalistic black men having no other goal in life but the rape of white women. A stereotype no more true then than the myth of pedophiles being homosexuals now.

As for subverting Christianity, you and your fellow travelers are doing well enough at that absent any outside help.

So grow up and grow something between your ears other than lint and ear wax.

So... Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation...

For that to be true, Pedophilia would have to be unrelated to sexuality... or an orientation of sexuality... and since pedophilia is about NOTHING BUT Sexuality and the oriented towards children... just as homo-sexuality is oriented towards people of the same gender; which is all "Sexual Orientation" actually means...

Which is why Homosexuality is precisely the same mental disorder that is Pedophilia... That mental disorder produces a sexual desire which falls outside the baseline norm... which is HETERO-SEXUALITY... where sexual arousal, cravings and the desire for the satisfaction as a result of such are directed towards members of the OPPOSITE GENDER... and do not, as a general rule, require any 'special equipment' and a general preference is for such to occur in private...

But it is WONDERFUL of this imbecile to post this position, wherein she simply comes to assert more blind denials; the sum of which fly in the face of reason, common sense and the general rules of the english language.

As I've stated MANY TIMES now... these fools are desperate to control the langauge; because that is the ONLY way one can change the definition of words and impart the authority of SCIENCE, while rejecting the objective nature of such... and while that is possible in some debates... it is NOT POSSIBLE in debates in which I am engaged...

It should also be pointed out that if Kieth Olberman, Chris Mathews, Chris Rock, Bill Maher and the whole of the New York and San Fransisco Lega Aid Society were here, on this thread, working with unlimited resources... they wouldn't be advancing an argument which is any more valid, or anywhere closer to being intellectually sound than the trainwreck to which this responds...


This debate is OVER kids and has been for a few days... all that's left is for the homo-advocates to continue to beat their long discredited 'feelings' and the rhetorical dead horse on which they rode in on...

 

[Ravi]

You know, it's funny to laugh at the Bass for his many hours on the subject of homosexuality but it isn't funny to see that Pubic spends the same amount of time of the subject of pedophilia.

 

[Bullypulpit]

You know, it's funny to laugh at the Bass for his many hours on the subject of homosexuality but it isn't funny to see that Pubic spends the same amount of time of the subject of pedophilia.

Hmmm...Yes, his Freudian slip isn't just showing, it's flying like a flag.

 

[Bullypulpit]

So... Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation...

For that to be true, Pedophilia would have to be unrelated to sexuality... or an orientation of sexuality... and since pedophilia is about NOTHING BUT Sexuality and the oriented towards children... just as homo-sexuality is oriented towards people of the same gender; which is all "Sexual Orientation" actually means...

Which is why Homosexuality is precisely the same mental disorder that is Pedophilia... That mental disorder produces a sexual desire which falls outside the baseline norm... which is HETERO-SEXUALITY... where sexual arousal, cravings and the desire for the satisfaction as a result of such are directed towards members of the OPPOSITE GENDER... and do not, as a general rule, require any 'special equipment' and a general preference is for such to occur in private...

But it is WONDERFUL of this imbecile to post this position, wherein she simply comes to assert more blind denials; the sum of which fly in the face of reason, common sense and the general rules of the english language.

As I've stated MANY TIMES now... these fools are desperate to control the langauge; because that is the ONLY way one can change the definition of words and impart the authority of SCIENCE, while rejecting the objective nature of such... and while that is possible in some debates... it is NOT POSSIBLE in debates in which I am engaged...

It should also be pointed out that if Kieth Olberman, Chris Mathews, Chris Rock, Bill Maher and the whole of the New York and San Fransisco Lega Aid Society were here, on this thread, working with unlimited resources... they wouldn't be advancing an argument which is any more valid, or anywhere closer to being intellectually sound than the trainwreck to which this responds...


This debate is OVER kids and has been for a few days... all that's left is for the homo-advocates to continue to beat their long discredited 'feelings' and the rhetorical dead horse on which they rode in on...

Your attempt to parse words is really quite pathetic. It's not pedophiles you're bitching about, it's homosexuals. Pedophilia is simply a roundabout way of arriving at the real issue for you and your fellow travelers. Which leads one to wonder just why you and your fellow travelers feel so threatened by homosexuals that you would paint them all with such a despicable brush.

Indeed, the debate has been over for days, but you're looking at it from the wrong end, as it is you, PR and your fellow travelers who ran out of intellectual ammunition from the outset.

As for beating anything, the less said about your "Sin of Onan", the better.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

And see how calm they are now? Notice how they are no longer even trying to mount a defense?

They have no where to go... all of their would-be 'feelings' on the issue have been refuted...

Proving that it's not cruel to kick the rhetorical shit out of people with mental disorders... it can actually be very good for them...

Good cultural subversives... Goooood....

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

So... Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation...

For that to be true, Pedophilia would have to be unrelated to sexuality... or an orientation of sexuality... and since pedophilia is about NOTHING BUT Sexuality and the oriented towards children... just as homo-sexuality is oriented towards people of the same gender; which is all "Sexual Orientation" actually means...

Which is why Homosexuality is precisely the same mental disorder that is Pedophilia... That mental disorder produces a sexual desire which falls outside the baseline norm... which is HETERO-SEXUALITY... where sexual arousal, cravings and the desire for the satisfaction as a result of such are directed towards members of the OPPOSITE GENDER... and do not, as a general rule, require any 'special equipment' and a general preference is for such to occur in private...

But it is WONDERFUL of this imbecile to post this position, wherein she simply comes to assert more blind denials; the sum of which fly in the face of reason, common sense and the general rules of the english language.

As I've stated MANY TIMES now... these fools are desperate to control the langauge; because that is the ONLY way one can change the definition of words and impart the authority of SCIENCE, while rejecting the objective nature of such... and while that is possible in some debates... it is NOT POSSIBLE in debates in which I am engaged...

It should also be pointed out that if Kieth Olberman, Chris Mathews, Chris Rock, Bill Maher and the whole of the New York and San Fransisco Lega Aid Society were here, on this thread, working with unlimited resources... they wouldn't be advancing an argument which is any more valid, or anywhere closer to being intellectually sound than the trainwreck to which this responds...


This debate is OVER kids and has been for a few days... all that's left is for the homo-advocates to continue to beat their long discredited 'feelings' and the rhetorical dead horse on which they rode in on...

Your attempt to parse words is really quite pathetic. It's not pedophiles you're bitching about, it's homosexuals.

Note the phraseology... This is an attempt to discredit the argument through the suggestion that the argument itself bears no validity, but is merely using trickery... she used the word 'parse'...

Lets examine that word:

parse [paarss]
(past and past participle parsed, present participle pars·ing, 3rd person present singular pars·es)
v
1. vti describe grammatical role of word: to describe the grammatical role of a word in a sentence, or undergo this process


What my argument bears is the defining traits of the words which are being used... specifically the MISUSE of words, which the opposition hopes to use to imply something which the words themselves do not mean... she is trying to redefine words for the purposes of the debate... which as I've pointed out,many times, is the rhetorical equivilent of trimming puzzle peices to fit the whole, instead of going through the time and trouble of finding the RIGHT PIECE...

She then ignorantly returns to conclude that such is parsing... when what it is, is SOUND REASON!

ROFL... Pedophilia and homosexuality are of the same mental disorder... where in the purest sense of each, there are but slight degrees of separation.

NAMBLA is a classic example... this organization is rooted DIRECTLY IN THE HOMOSEXUAL MOVEMENT... there is absolutely NO DENYING THAT, both male and female homosexuals who are sexually aroused by and seek sexual gratification through children of their own gender... and who advocate for the legalization of 'loving concensual adult/child sexual relationships.'

And while there are those within the homosexual community who are able to fight their instinct for sex with children, their disorder is such that they remain oriented towards sexual relations with those of their own gender...

NORMAL doesn't exclude a desire for young tail... NORMAL excludes ACTING on the desire for young tail... NORMAL doesn't sit around and obsess on that which is not ACCEPTABLE and NORMAL doesn't demand that the culture CHANGE THE TERMS OF WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR NATURAL BUT UNACCEPTABLE DESIRES.

Where the desire is for prepubescents... that is merely a SEVERE FORM OF THE SAME DISORDER... NOT A DISTINCT DISORDER.

And that's not parsing, that is simple COMMON FREAKIN' SENSE...

 

[007]

So... Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation...

For that to be true, Pedophilia would have to be unrelated to sexuality... or an orientation of sexuality... and since pedophilia is about NOTHING BUT Sexuality and the oriented towards children... just as homo-sexuality is oriented towards people of the same gender; which is all "Sexual Orientation" actually means...

Which is why Homosexuality is precisely the same mental disorder that is Pedophilia... That mental disorder produces a sexual desire which falls outside the baseline norm... which is HETERO-SEXUALITY... where sexual arousal, cravings and the desire for the satisfaction as a result of such are directed towards members of the OPPOSITE GENDER... and do not, as a general rule, require any 'special equipment' and a general preference is for such to occur in private...

But it is WONDERFUL of this imbecile to post this position, wherein she simply comes to assert more blind denials; the sum of which fly in the face of reason, common sense and the general rules of the english language.

As I've stated MANY TIMES now... these fools are desperate to control the langauge; because that is the ONLY way one can change the definition of words and impart the authority of SCIENCE, while rejecting the objective nature of such... and while that is possible in some debates... it is NOT POSSIBLE in debates in which I am engaged...

It should also be pointed out that if Kieth Olberman, Chris Mathews, Chris Rock, Bill Maher and the whole of the New York and San Fransisco Lega Aid Society were here, on this thread, working with unlimited resources... they wouldn't be advancing an argument which is any more valid, or anywhere closer to being intellectually sound than the trainwreck to which this responds...


This debate is OVER kids and has been for a few days... all that's left is for the homo-advocates to continue to beat their long discredited 'feelings' and the rhetorical dead horse on which they rode in on...

Your attempt to parse words is really quite pathetic. It's not pedophiles you're bitching about, it's homosexuals.

Note the phraseology... This is an attempt to discredit the argument through the suggestion that the argument itself bears no validity, but is merely using trickery... she used the word 'parse'...

Lets examine that word:

parse [paarss]
(past and past participle parsed, present participle pars·ing, 3rd person present singular pars·es)
v
1. vti describe grammatical role of word: to describe the grammatical role of a word in a sentence, or undergo this process


What my argument bears is the defining traits of the words which are being used... specifically the MISUSE of words, which the opposition hopes to use to imply something which the words themselves do not mean... she is trying to redefine words for the purposes of the debate... which as I've pointed out,many times, is the rhetorical equivilent of trimming puzzle peices to fit the whole, instead of going through the time and trouble of finding the RIGHT PIECE...

She then ignorantly returns to conclude that such is parsing... when what it is, is SOUND REASON!

ROFL... Pedophilia and homosexuality are of the same mental disorder... where in the purest sense of each, there are but slight degrees of separation.

NAMBLA is a classic example... this organization is rooted DIRECTLY IN THE HOMOSEXUAL MOVEMENT... there is absolutely NO DENYING THAT, both male and female homosexuals who are sexually aroused by and seek sexual gratification through children of their own gender... and who advocate for the legalization of 'loving concensual adult/child sexual relationships.'

And while there are those within the homosexual community who are able to fight their instinct for sex with children, their disorder is such that they remain oriented towards sexual relations with those of their own gender...

NORMAL doesn't exclude a desire for young tail... NORMAL excludes ACTING on the desire for young tail... NORMAL doesn't sit around and obsess on that which is not ACCEPTABLE and NORMAL doesn't demand that the culture CHANGE THE TERMS OF WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR NATURAL BUT UNACCEPTABLE DESIRES.

Where the desire is for prepubescents... that is merely a SEVERE FORM OF THE SAME DISORDER... NOT A DISTINCT DISORDER.

And that's not parsing, that is simple COMMON FREAKIN' SENSE...

FYI PI.... bullypulpit is a "he." He posted a picture of himself in his avatar years ago, and he's a fat, unkempt looking dude, and he was laughing as though he didn't take a single thing he says here as serious. It's all a joke. Just like the liberals trying to defend a law that protects pedophiles.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Your attempt to parse words is really quite pathetic. It's not pedophiles you're bitching about, it's homosexuals.

Note the phraseology... This is an attempt to discredit the argument through the suggestion that the argument itself bears no validity, but is merely using trickery... she used the word 'parse'...

Lets examine that word:

parse [paarss]
(past and past participle parsed, present participle pars·ing, 3rd person present singular pars·es)
v
1. vti describe grammatical role of word: to describe the grammatical role of a word in a sentence, or undergo this process


What my argument bears is the defining traits of the words which are being used... specifically the MISUSE of words, which the opposition hopes to use to imply something which the words themselves do not mean... she is trying to redefine words for the purposes of the debate... which as I've pointed out,many times, is the rhetorical equivilent of trimming puzzle peices to fit the whole, instead of going through the time and trouble of finding the RIGHT PIECE...

She then ignorantly returns to conclude that such is parsing... when what it is, is SOUND REASON!

ROFL... Pedophilia and homosexuality are of the same mental disorder... where in the purest sense of each, there are but slight degrees of separation.

NAMBLA is a classic example... this organization is rooted DIRECTLY IN THE HOMOSEXUAL MOVEMENT... there is absolutely NO DENYING THAT, both male and female homosexuals who are sexually aroused by and seek sexual gratification through children of their own gender... and who advocate for the legalization of 'loving concensual adult/child sexual relationships.'

And while there are those within the homosexual community who are able to fight their instinct for sex with children, their disorder is such that they remain oriented towards sexual relations with those of their own gender...

NORMAL doesn't exclude a desire for young tail... NORMAL excludes ACTING on the desire for young tail... NORMAL doesn't sit around and obsess on that which is not ACCEPTABLE and NORMAL doesn't demand that the culture CHANGE THE TERMS OF WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR NATURAL BUT UNACCEPTABLE DESIRES.

Where the desire is for prepubescents... that is merely a SEVERE FORM OF THE SAME DISORDER... NOT A DISTINCT DISORDER.

And that's not parsing, that is simple COMMON FREAKIN' SENSE...

FYI PI.... bullypulpit is a "he." He posted a picture of himself in his avatar years ago, and he's a fat, unkempt looking dude, and he was laughing as though he didn't take a single thing he says here as serious. It's all a joke. Just like the liberals trying to defend a law that protects pedophiles.

A HE? Really? Must be on the hormone treatment of somekind... I get an estrogen vibe from her work... and not the Jennifer Anniston or Carrie Prejean kind... More the Rosanne Barr or Wanda Sykes thing...