Pelosi and House Democrats Screw Up Everything Again

[colfax_m]

I think it’s unanimous that the Dims are betting on a total collapse to further their political agenda, however, it’s a two sided sword which will come back and cut deep. One can only hope voters recognize this when they cast their vote.
Funny how when it’s time to bailout Autos, banks, big business, it’s the American thing to do when Dim sits at the desk.

The collapse is already here. Putins boy asswipe made it happen. I warned you and yours about him, but you wouldn't listen. CORPORATE RACKETEERS MAKE VERY BAD PRESIDENTS.....

Right...trump caused a global economic collapse...used his narcissism to will a brand new disease to jump from bats to humans...and then used inception to go into the dreams of the Chinese and leaders of the EU and plant the idea that they should wait a month too late to ban travel because it would be seen as racist. Good analysis

Asswipe didn't address the problem early enough. He was more concerned about his reelection.

You're a liar. The President shut down travel from China on January 31st and Democrats criticized him for it.

Not exactly.
He restricted foreign nationals from entering the country who had been to the affected region. Americans and immediate family of Americans who are foreign nationals were allowed to travel back and forth. They were not legally prevented from doing so.

Flights continued between the two countries.

You know who did ban flights in and out of China on that exact same day? Italy.

For that to have worked for Italy, the entire EU would’ve had to restrict travel. Europe is a pandemics wet dream. Tons of public transport, that’s used often, people with money and time to travel, hostels, tightly packed cities, tons of tourist attractions. Italy’s travel ban was useless. Which is why I said the EU needed too. I mean I shouldn’t have to say what I just said because one should be able to pretty easily logically deduce why a travel ban worked in USA but not in Italy. Just look at the evidence staring you in the face. You can contain the few carriers that slip through the cracks of the flights banned to a region that came through other regions...you can’t contain the 30 or so carriers a day traveling coming in from direct flights to your region.

COVID had almost certainly taken hold in Italy prior to the declaration.

No travel ban (or attempted ban) was effective. If you want to blame Italy’s situation on lack of a ban, then the entire EU would be suffering the same fate, and they aren’t.

Oh Jesus, Italy has more elderly, and the family units are stronger. A lot of grandparents live with the family and if they don’t they are visited more often. Also, some politicians in Italy thought it was a good idea to have a “hug a Chinese person day” during a pandemic to show how woke you are. That obviously didn’t work out for a lot of people. Goes to show you how seriously some of the politicians were taking this, they weren't, they were trying to score political points...a lot like the OP topic. And wrong again, the entire EU is being rocked. Italy is just the most staggering example of what happens when politicians don’t take shit seriously.

The point is that the disease was global by Jan 31. No travel restrictions absent completely shutting the border was going to be effective. The rest of the EU is not affected to the same degree and many no more so than us.

Talking about scoring political points is exactly what Trump has been doing this whole time.

Just because it moved out of the country of origin, doesn’t mean it isn’t containable. You can contain the few that slip through the cracks. You can’t do that when you let anybody who wants to come over from an outbreak region. Do you not see why that would be a problem? It wasn’t just a problem for the either, that shit came over to New York, our biggest hub for European travel, and now NY is looking at 3000 cases that’s gonna probably be 10000 in a couple of days.

If it was containable, we clearly didn’t do it given our burden of disease here.

Like I said, you’d have to do a LOT more than what Trump did.

What more could he have done? give us specific actions and times that could have been done. You said he was racist when he banned travel from China, BTW, chinese is not a race.

You said banning travel from China would prevent any outbreak in the US.

No one ever said it would prevent any outbreak. Trump and everyone else who knows anything said that banning travel from China would limit the impact on the US and it did.

Trump took a victory lap shortly after banning travel. He claimed the number of cases would reach zero in a few days

Yes, referring to the cases that came over from China. Problem is the EU didn’t ban travel when they should have, and there’s a lot of travel between the EU and the US, specifically in NY airports that are popular hubs for EU travel. Which is why NY has 3,000 cases, and most other cities only have a few hundred. See how that works. That being said the travel ban on China did buy us a month of precious time. Time enough to find a treatment before this really starts to hit.

You know it’s funny how quickly y’all stopped calling travel bans racist all of a sudden. Anyone else notice that...

I never called any travel ban racist and it wasn’t even a travel ban given the fact that Americans still were traveling to and from China throughout that time frame.

 

[colfax_m]

Nancy Pelosi has blood on her hands. There's a special place in hell reserved for her.

For what now?

Obstruction.

Of what?

Read the news.

I assume you are accusing Pelosi of murder for not allowing a massive taxpayer wealth redistribution bill?

Seems pretty hyperbolic you me.

I'm accusing Pelosi of obstructing a bill that would help the American people. Everything was going along fine until she stuck her nose in it to fund Democrat pet projects. You know that, so don't insult the People's intelligence

But those are NOT the reasons the bill is being held up.

The biggest sticking point is the $500bn that Trump wants to control..

$500 billion of Corporate Porkulus

Sadly. Like

Go Nancy Go Nancy Go Nancy.

March 13, 2020 Pelosi and Mnuckin crafted a bill that Trump’s is willing to sign. Sent to Mitch it was totally overhauled.

Trump Says He Supports Pelosi Virus Bill, Urges GOP to Vote Yes

President Donald Trump said he supports the bill negotiated by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and his Treasury secretary to help Americans deal with the spreading coronavirus outbreak, and the House plans to vote on the measure as early as Friday night.

“I fully support H.R. 6201: Families First CoronaVirus Response Act, which will be voted on in the House this evening,” Trump tweeted. “I encourage all Republicans and Democrats to come together and VOTE YES! I will always put the health and well-being of American families FIRST. Look forward to signing the final Bill, ASAP!“

He did, as negotuated originally. Here is the Date of your source kid,
"March 13, 2020, 6:10 PM EDTUpdated on March 13, 2020, 10:33 PM EDT "

Dems killed it on purpose.

Dates? What does it mean? Linky Linky?

Why shoulda/woulda Democrats killed it?

.

they killed it because they saw an opportunity for ram some of their leftist agenda items into it. They don't give a shit about the american people who are hurting, its all about their fricken agenda and power. Wake up america, the dem party is out to destroy this nation.

See, that’s how they get you. Either you deliver dump trucks full of cash to the doorstops of billionaires or the country is over.

nothing in any plan would "deliver dump trucks of cast to billionaires" thats total bullshit. the plan that Pelosi killed would have sent cash payments to average americans and would have kept their employers from going under. If this does not get done, the jobs will not be there when this is over, and it will be over, probably sooner than any of us realize.

Bolded is accomplished with said dump trucks.

no its not. the money is a LOAN unless it is used to pay workers. If it is used to buy back stock, pay execs or anything else it must be paid back.

as usual you have no idea what you are talking about.

And I suppose you want me to believe billionaires always pay back their “loans”, right?

There’s no oversight. No accountability. And everything is kept secret for 6 months.

not true. by the way, where are hillary's 30,000 emails? Putin has them, why don't we? speaking of keeping things secret.

Sure it is. We are supposed to write a check to Mnuchin for half a trillion dollars and come back in 6 months to find out where it went.

I would have thought conservatives would be opposed to that but it just goes to show that there aren’t any conservatives anymore.

So you think we should have a national referendum on every penny spent by government? The election is 8 months away, if the Trump admin abuses this bill, vote them out of office.

who do you think should be checking on Mnuchin? Pelosi? How about spending some money cleaning up the human shit on the streets of Pelosi's district in SFO? Why hasn't she done anything about that mess? Human shit running down the streets into the bay where your precious turtles and seals live.

Yes, I think we should have a national referendum on how money is spent.

They’re called elections.

No one elected Mnuchin.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Nancy Pelosi has blood on her hands. There's a special place in hell reserved for her.

For what now?

Obstruction.

Of what?

Read the news.

I assume you are accusing Pelosi of murder for not allowing a massive taxpayer wealth redistribution bill?

Seems pretty hyperbolic you me.

I'm accusing Pelosi of obstructing a bill that would help the American people. Everything was going along fine until she stuck her nose in it to fund Democrat pet projects. You know that, so don't insult the People's intelligence

But those are NOT the reasons the bill is being held up.

The biggest sticking point is the $500bn that Trump wants to control..

$500 billion of Corporate Porkulus

Sadly. Like

Go Nancy Go Nancy Go Nancy.

March 13, 2020 Pelosi and Mnuckin crafted a bill that Trump’s is willing to sign. Sent to Mitch it was totally overhauled.

Trump Says He Supports Pelosi Virus Bill, Urges GOP to Vote Yes

President Donald Trump said he supports the bill negotiated by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and his Treasury secretary to help Americans deal with the spreading coronavirus outbreak, and the House plans to vote on the measure as early as Friday night.

“I fully support H.R. 6201: Families First CoronaVirus Response Act, which will be voted on in the House this evening,” Trump tweeted. “I encourage all Republicans and Democrats to come together and VOTE YES! I will always put the health and well-being of American families FIRST. Look forward to signing the final Bill, ASAP!“

He did, as negotuated originally. Here is the Date of your source kid,
"March 13, 2020, 6:10 PM EDTUpdated on March 13, 2020, 10:33 PM EDT "

Dems killed it on purpose.

Dates? What does it mean? Linky Linky?

Why shoulda/woulda Democrats killed it?

.

they killed it because they saw an opportunity for ram some of their leftist agenda items into it. They don't give a shit about the american people who are hurting, its all about their fricken agenda and power. Wake up america, the dem party is out to destroy this nation.

See, that’s how they get you. Either you deliver dump trucks full of cash to the doorstops of billionaires or the country is over.

nothing in any plan would "deliver dump trucks of cast to billionaires" thats total bullshit. the plan that Pelosi killed would have sent cash payments to average americans and would have kept their employers from going under. If this does not get done, the jobs will not be there when this is over, and it will be over, probably sooner than any of us realize.

Bolded is accomplished with said dump trucks.

no its not. the money is a LOAN unless it is used to pay workers. If it is used to buy back stock, pay execs or anything else it must be paid back.

as usual you have no idea what you are talking about.

And I suppose you want me to believe billionaires always pay back their “loans”, right?

There’s no oversight. No accountability. And everything is kept secret for 6 months.

not true. by the way, where are hillary's 30,000 emails? Putin has them, why don't we? speaking of keeping things secret.

Sure it is. We are supposed to write a check to Mnuchin for half a trillion dollars and come back in 6 months to find out where it went.

I would have thought conservatives would be opposed to that but it just goes to show that there aren’t any conservatives anymore.

So you think we should have a national referendum on every penny spent by government? The election is 8 months away, if the Trump admin abuses this bill, vote them out of office.

who do you think should be checking on Mnuchin? Pelosi? How about spending some money cleaning up the human shit on the streets of Pelosi's district in SFO? Why hasn't she done anything about that mess? Human shit running down the streets into the bay where your precious turtles and seals live.

Yes, I think we should have a national referendum on how money is spent.

They’re called elections.

No one elected Mnuchin.

Why do you guys always wnt to change the rules when you don't mlike something? The Prez, ANY Prez picks his/her people and turns them loose. Lord you folks are dense.

 

[busybee01]

Speaker Pelosi is trying to protect workers against the Republican slush fund to corporations! Go Nancy!

Pelosi went against the senate dems who helped write this bill. This was as bipartisan as it gets. People kind of need jobs after this is over. A lot of companies aren’t going to survive this even with the relief. Almost all of the 1.8 trillion is going to the 3000$ checks for families, and then at least 500 billion is going to cities and states. Do you mind explaining how Nancy plans to protect workers, many of whom aren’t going to be working for the next 10 weeks, that is if their work survives? My buddy owns a construction company that’s been doing great. He’s probably going to go out of business because he’s renting a lot of heavy machinery that’s just going to be sitting collecting dust, and eating thousands of dollars a day. He employs 70 people. That story is going to be happening everywhere across the country. Let’s not forget, the markets are crashing and everyone with a 401k, which is almost everyone in the country, is loosing thousands of dollars in the markets right now. Not good. Use your brains people. Pelosi doesn’t give a shit about the workers, which is why the NYT decided to change their headline a 3rd time. This is all about tanking the economy to make trump look bad. It’s obvious political maneuvering while Americans are loosing thousands, and aren’t even sure if they’ll come back to a job after this is done.

You need to use your brains. Republicans tried to help their big corporate donors and they got caught. Republicans are responsible for this.

Bullshit...pure bullshit.....

You sure are bullshit.

No you are full of shit....because that's all you got is bullshit...I have democrat and very liberal friends and family that are supporting our president and hoping the house and the senate can work together in the face of a national and global economic crises...

You are full of shit. Maybe the House and Senate can work together if Republicans quit putting big business over the people. There should be strings attached to the money we are giving corporations. These corporation were awash in cash a year ago but wasted it on stock buybacks and generally frittered it away. That should not happen to taxpayer dollars.

Trump has constantly lied and tried to minimize a serious situation. He has told states to essentially go jump in the lake. That is not leadership. That is playing politics.

 

[colfax_m]

Nancy Pelosi has blood on her hands. There's a special place in hell reserved for her.

For what now?

Obstruction.

Of what?

Read the news.

I assume you are accusing Pelosi of murder for not allowing a massive taxpayer wealth redistribution bill?

Seems pretty hyperbolic you me.

I'm accusing Pelosi of obstructing a bill that would help the American people. Everything was going along fine until she stuck her nose in it to fund Democrat pet projects. You know that, so don't insult the People's intelligence

But those are NOT the reasons the bill is being held up.

The biggest sticking point is the $500bn that Trump wants to control..

$500 billion of Corporate Porkulus

Sadly. Like

Go Nancy Go Nancy Go Nancy.

March 13, 2020 Pelosi and Mnuckin crafted a bill that Trump’s is willing to sign. Sent to Mitch it was totally overhauled.

Trump Says He Supports Pelosi Virus Bill, Urges GOP to Vote Yes

President Donald Trump said he supports the bill negotiated by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and his Treasury secretary to help Americans deal with the spreading coronavirus outbreak, and the House plans to vote on the measure as early as Friday night.

“I fully support H.R. 6201: Families First CoronaVirus Response Act, which will be voted on in the House this evening,” Trump tweeted. “I encourage all Republicans and Democrats to come together and VOTE YES! I will always put the health and well-being of American families FIRST. Look forward to signing the final Bill, ASAP!“

He did, as negotuated originally. Here is the Date of your source kid,
"March 13, 2020, 6:10 PM EDTUpdated on March 13, 2020, 10:33 PM EDT "

Dems killed it on purpose.

Dates? What does it mean? Linky Linky?

Why shoulda/woulda Democrats killed it?

.

they killed it because they saw an opportunity for ram some of their leftist agenda items into it. They don't give a shit about the american people who are hurting, its all about their fricken agenda and power. Wake up america, the dem party is out to destroy this nation.

See, that’s how they get you. Either you deliver dump trucks full of cash to the doorstops of billionaires or the country is over.

nothing in any plan would "deliver dump trucks of cast to billionaires" thats total bullshit. the plan that Pelosi killed would have sent cash payments to average americans and would have kept their employers from going under. If this does not get done, the jobs will not be there when this is over, and it will be over, probably sooner than any of us realize.

Bolded is accomplished with said dump trucks.

no its not. the money is a LOAN unless it is used to pay workers. If it is used to buy back stock, pay execs or anything else it must be paid back.

as usual you have no idea what you are talking about.

And I suppose you want me to believe billionaires always pay back their “loans”, right?

There’s no oversight. No accountability. And everything is kept secret for 6 months.

not true. by the way, where are hillary's 30,000 emails? Putin has them, why don't we? speaking of keeping things secret.

Sure it is. We are supposed to write a check to Mnuchin for half a trillion dollars and come back in 6 months to find out where it went.

I would have thought conservatives would be opposed to that but it just goes to show that there aren’t any conservatives anymore.

So you think we should have a national referendum on every penny spent by government? The election is 8 months away, if the Trump admin abuses this bill, vote them out of office.

who do you think should be checking on Mnuchin? Pelosi? How about spending some money cleaning up the human shit on the streets of Pelosi's district in SFO? Why hasn't she done anything about that mess? Human shit running down the streets into the bay where your precious turtles and seals live.

Yes, I think we should have a national referendum on how money is spent.

They’re called elections.

No one elected Mnuchin.

Why do you guys always wnt to change the rules when you don't mlike something? The Prez, ANY Prez picks his/her people and turns them loose. Lord you folks are dense.

Half a trillion dollars seems like a lot to “turn lose” without a tad more accountability.

 

[Redfish]

Nancy Pelosi has blood on her hands. There's a special place in hell reserved for her.

For what now?

Obstruction.

Of what?

Read the news.

I assume you are accusing Pelosi of murder for not allowing a massive taxpayer wealth redistribution bill?

Seems pretty hyperbolic you me.

I'm accusing Pelosi of obstructing a bill that would help the American people. Everything was going along fine until she stuck her nose in it to fund Democrat pet projects. You know that, so don't insult the People's intelligence

But those are NOT the reasons the bill is being held up.

The biggest sticking point is the $500bn that Trump wants to control..

$500 billion of Corporate Porkulus

Sadly. Like

Go Nancy Go Nancy Go Nancy.

March 13, 2020 Pelosi and Mnuckin crafted a bill that Trump’s is willing to sign. Sent to Mitch it was totally overhauled.

Trump Says He Supports Pelosi Virus Bill, Urges GOP to Vote Yes

President Donald Trump said he supports the bill negotiated by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and his Treasury secretary to help Americans deal with the spreading coronavirus outbreak, and the House plans to vote on the measure as early as Friday night.

“I fully support H.R. 6201: Families First CoronaVirus Response Act, which will be voted on in the House this evening,” Trump tweeted. “I encourage all Republicans and Democrats to come together and VOTE YES! I will always put the health and well-being of American families FIRST. Look forward to signing the final Bill, ASAP!“

He did, as negotuated originally. Here is the Date of your source kid,
"March 13, 2020, 6:10 PM EDTUpdated on March 13, 2020, 10:33 PM EDT "

Dems killed it on purpose.

Dates? What does it mean? Linky Linky?

Why shoulda/woulda Democrats killed it?

.

they killed it because they saw an opportunity for ram some of their leftist agenda items into it. They don't give a shit about the american people who are hurting, its all about their fricken agenda and power. Wake up america, the dem party is out to destroy this nation.

See, that’s how they get you. Either you deliver dump trucks full of cash to the doorstops of billionaires or the country is over.

nothing in any plan would "deliver dump trucks of cast to billionaires" thats total bullshit. the plan that Pelosi killed would have sent cash payments to average americans and would have kept their employers from going under. If this does not get done, the jobs will not be there when this is over, and it will be over, probably sooner than any of us realize.

Bolded is accomplished with said dump trucks.

no its not. the money is a LOAN unless it is used to pay workers. If it is used to buy back stock, pay execs or anything else it must be paid back.

as usual you have no idea what you are talking about.

And I suppose you want me to believe billionaires always pay back their “loans”, right?

There’s no oversight. No accountability. And everything is kept secret for 6 months.

not true. by the way, where are hillary's 30,000 emails? Putin has them, why don't we? speaking of keeping things secret.

Sure it is. We are supposed to write a check to Mnuchin for half a trillion dollars and come back in 6 months to find out where it went.

I would have thought conservatives would be opposed to that but it just goes to show that there aren’t any conservatives anymore.

So you think we should have a national referendum on every penny spent by government? The election is 8 months away, if the Trump admin abuses this bill, vote them out of office.

who do you think should be checking on Mnuchin? Pelosi? How about spending some money cleaning up the human shit on the streets of Pelosi's district in SFO? Why hasn't she done anything about that mess? Human shit running down the streets into the bay where your precious turtles and seals live.

Yes, I think we should have a national referendum on how money is spent.

They’re called elections.

No one elected Mnuchin.

I agree on elections, we elected Trump and he gets to appoint his cabinet and staff. If you don't like his appointments, vote for senile Joe in november. Did anyone elect Holder or Lynch? or any of the supreme court justices?

we do not have a pure democracy, we have a representative republic, if you don;t like the way the govt is being run, vote for new people to represent you. Until then, we have put people in power and have given them the authority to act in our behalf.

what you seem to be asking for is the ability to have a national vote on every spending item in the budget. any idea how that would work and how long it would take?

 

[busybee01]

Republicans are using a crisis to ram through a corporate Porkulus bill

What you call corporate porkulus is more relevant and helpful to the paycheck and retirement accounts of Americans vs. windmills and solar panels. Further, Democrats seemingly were in agreement with Republicans before they pulled their last minute, irrelevant demands. The benefits extended to Corporations were there all along during the negotiations. Democrats are only trashing them because their radical tactics around last minute, ridiculous demands are blowing up in their faces.

Democrats are once again showing the American People how willing they are to let them suffer and extend misery.

Again you prove you are a liar. The Senate bill was drafted with no input from Democrats. Then having no say, they are supposed to back this. This was a partisan Republican bill and you complain about Democrats being partisan. The Republican demands are the ridiculous part of the bill.

 

[Redfish]

Speaker Pelosi is trying to protect workers against the Republican slush fund to corporations! Go Nancy!

Pelosi went against the senate dems who helped write this bill. This was as bipartisan as it gets. People kind of need jobs after this is over. A lot of companies aren’t going to survive this even with the relief. Almost all of the 1.8 trillion is going to the 3000$ checks for families, and then at least 500 billion is going to cities and states. Do you mind explaining how Nancy plans to protect workers, many of whom aren’t going to be working for the next 10 weeks, that is if their work survives? My buddy owns a construction company that’s been doing great. He’s probably going to go out of business because he’s renting a lot of heavy machinery that’s just going to be sitting collecting dust, and eating thousands of dollars a day. He employs 70 people. That story is going to be happening everywhere across the country. Let’s not forget, the markets are crashing and everyone with a 401k, which is almost everyone in the country, is loosing thousands of dollars in the markets right now. Not good. Use your brains people. Pelosi doesn’t give a shit about the workers, which is why the NYT decided to change their headline a 3rd time. This is all about tanking the economy to make trump look bad. It’s obvious political maneuvering while Americans are loosing thousands, and aren’t even sure if they’ll come back to a job after this is done.

You need to use your brains. Republicans tried to help their big corporate donors and they got caught. Republicans are responsible for this.

Bullshit...pure bullshit.....

You sure are bullshit.

No you are full of shit....because that's all you got is bullshit...I have democrat and very liberal friends and family that are supporting our president and hoping the house and the senate can work together in the face of a national and global economic crises...

You are full of shit. Maybe the House and Senate can work together if Republicans quit putting big business over the people. There should be strings attached to the money we are giving corporations. These corporation were awash in cash a year ago but wasted it on stock buybacks and generally frittered it away. That should not happen to taxpayer dollars.

Trump has constantly lied and tried to minimize a serious situation. He has told states to essentially go jump in the lake. That is not leadership. That is playing politics.

the big business lie is getting old. everyone knows that is not the case, CNN and MSNBC are lying to you.

 

[Redfish]

Republicans are using a crisis to ram through a corporate Porkulus bill

What you call corporate porkulus is more relevant and helpful to the paycheck and retirement accounts of Americans vs. windmills and solar panels. Further, Democrats seemingly were in agreement with Republicans before they pulled their last minute, irrelevant demands. The benefits extended to Corporations were there all along during the negotiations. Democrats are only trashing them because their radical tactics around last minute, ridiculous demands are blowing up in their faces.

Democrats are once again showing the American People how willing they are to let them suffer and extend misery.

Again you prove you are a liar. The Senate bill was drafted with no input from Democrats. Then having no say, they are supposed to back this. This was a partisan Republican bill and you complain about Democrats being partisan. The Republican demands are the ridiculous part of the bill.

more horseshit, it was a bi-partisan bill until Pelosi demanded that her minions vote against it.

 

[colfax_m]

Nancy Pelosi has blood on her hands. There's a special place in hell reserved for her.

For what now?

Obstruction.

Of what?

Read the news.

I assume you are accusing Pelosi of murder for not allowing a massive taxpayer wealth redistribution bill?

Seems pretty hyperbolic you me.

I'm accusing Pelosi of obstructing a bill that would help the American people. Everything was going along fine until she stuck her nose in it to fund Democrat pet projects. You know that, so don't insult the People's intelligence

But those are NOT the reasons the bill is being held up.

The biggest sticking point is the $500bn that Trump wants to control..

$500 billion of Corporate Porkulus

Sadly. Like

Go Nancy Go Nancy Go Nancy.

March 13, 2020 Pelosi and Mnuckin crafted a bill that Trump’s is willing to sign. Sent to Mitch it was totally overhauled.

Trump Says He Supports Pelosi Virus Bill, Urges GOP to Vote Yes

President Donald Trump said he supports the bill negotiated by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and his Treasury secretary to help Americans deal with the spreading coronavirus outbreak, and the House plans to vote on the measure as early as Friday night.

“I fully support H.R. 6201: Families First CoronaVirus Response Act, which will be voted on in the House this evening,” Trump tweeted. “I encourage all Republicans and Democrats to come together and VOTE YES! I will always put the health and well-being of American families FIRST. Look forward to signing the final Bill, ASAP!“

He did, as negotuated originally. Here is the Date of your source kid,
"March 13, 2020, 6:10 PM EDTUpdated on March 13, 2020, 10:33 PM EDT "

Dems killed it on purpose.

Dates? What does it mean? Linky Linky?

Why shoulda/woulda Democrats killed it?

.

they killed it because they saw an opportunity for ram some of their leftist agenda items into it. They don't give a shit about the american people who are hurting, its all about their fricken agenda and power. Wake up america, the dem party is out to destroy this nation.

See, that’s how they get you. Either you deliver dump trucks full of cash to the doorstops of billionaires or the country is over.

nothing in any plan would "deliver dump trucks of cast to billionaires" thats total bullshit. the plan that Pelosi killed would have sent cash payments to average americans and would have kept their employers from going under. If this does not get done, the jobs will not be there when this is over, and it will be over, probably sooner than any of us realize.

Bolded is accomplished with said dump trucks.

no its not. the money is a LOAN unless it is used to pay workers. If it is used to buy back stock, pay execs or anything else it must be paid back.

as usual you have no idea what you are talking about.

And I suppose you want me to believe billionaires always pay back their “loans”, right?

There’s no oversight. No accountability. And everything is kept secret for 6 months.

not true. by the way, where are hillary's 30,000 emails? Putin has them, why don't we? speaking of keeping things secret.

Sure it is. We are supposed to write a check to Mnuchin for half a trillion dollars and come back in 6 months to find out where it went.

I would have thought conservatives would be opposed to that but it just goes to show that there aren’t any conservatives anymore.

So you think we should have a national referendum on every penny spent by government? The election is 8 months away, if the Trump admin abuses this bill, vote them out of office.

who do you think should be checking on Mnuchin? Pelosi? How about spending some money cleaning up the human shit on the streets of Pelosi's district in SFO? Why hasn't she done anything about that mess? Human shit running down the streets into the bay where your precious turtles and seals live.

Yes, I think we should have a national referendum on how money is spent.

They’re called elections.

No one elected Mnuchin.

I agree on elections, we elected Trump and he gets to appoint his cabinet and staff. If you don't like his appointments, vote for senile Joe in november. Did anyone elect Holder or Lynch? or any of the supreme court justices?

we do not have a pure democracy, we have a representative republic, if you don;t like the way the govt is being run, vote for new people to represent you. Until then, we have put people in power and have given them the authority to act in our behalf.

what you seem to be asking for is the ability to have a national vote on every spending item in the budget. any idea how that would work and how long it would take?

You’re making a straw man argument. I never demanded that we vote on how money is spent. I said that the people we vote for should determine how money is spent. That’s what a republic does.

No one elected Mnuchin but somehow he gets handed half a trillion dollars to dole out to whoever he wants.

That’s not what a republic does.

 

[busybee01]

I think it’s unanimous that the Dims are betting on a total collapse to further their political agenda, however, it’s a two sided sword which will come back and cut deep. One can only hope voters recognize this when they cast their vote.
Funny how when it’s time to bailout Autos, banks, big business, it’s the American thing to do when Dim sits at the desk.

The collapse is already here. Putins boy asswipe made it happen. I warned you and yours about him, but you wouldn't listen. CORPORATE RACKETEERS MAKE VERY BAD PRESIDENTS.....

Right...trump caused a global economic collapse...used his narcissism to will a brand new disease to jump from bats to humans...and then used inception to go into the dreams of the Chinese and leaders of the EU and plant the idea that they should wait a month too late to ban travel because it would be seen as racist. Good analysis

Asswipe didn't address the problem early enough. He was more concerned about his reelection.

You're a liar. The President shut down travel from China on January 31st and Democrats criticized him for it.

Not exactly.
He restricted foreign nationals from entering the country who had been to the affected region. Americans and immediate family of Americans who are foreign nationals were allowed to travel back and forth. They were not legally prevented from doing so.

Flights continued between the two countries.

You know who did ban flights in and out of China on that exact same day? Italy.

For that to have worked for Italy, the entire EU would’ve had to restrict travel. Europe is a pandemics wet dream. Tons of public transport, that’s used often, people with money and time to travel, hostels, tightly packed cities, tons of tourist attractions. Italy’s travel ban was useless. Which is why I said the EU needed too. I mean I shouldn’t have to say what I just said because one should be able to pretty easily logically deduce why a travel ban worked in USA but not in Italy. Just look at the evidence staring you in the face. You can contain the few carriers that slip through the cracks of the flights banned to a region that came through other regions...you can’t contain the 30 or so carriers a day traveling coming in from direct flights to your region.

COVID had almost certainly taken hold in Italy prior to the declaration.

No travel ban (or attempted ban) was effective. If you want to blame Italy’s situation on lack of a ban, then the entire EU would be suffering the same fate, and they aren’t.

Oh Jesus, Italy has more elderly, and the family units are stronger. A lot of grandparents live with the family and if they don’t they are visited more often. Also, some politicians in Italy thought it was a good idea to have a “hug a Chinese person day” during a pandemic to show how woke you are. That obviously didn’t work out for a lot of people. Goes to show you how seriously some of the politicians were taking this, they weren't, they were trying to score political points...a lot like the OP topic. And wrong again, the entire EU is being rocked. Italy is just the most staggering example of what happens when politicians don’t take shit seriously.

The point is that the disease was global by Jan 31. No travel restrictions absent completely shutting the border was going to be effective. The rest of the EU is not affected to the same degree and many no more so than us.

Talking about scoring political points is exactly what Trump has been doing this whole time.

Just because it moved out of the country of origin, doesn’t mean it isn’t containable. You can contain the few that slip through the cracks. You can’t do that when you let anybody who wants to come over from an outbreak region. Do you not see why that would be a problem? It wasn’t just a problem for the either, that shit came over to New York, our biggest hub for European travel, and now NY is looking at 3000 cases that’s gonna probably be 10000 in a couple of days.

If it was containable, we clearly didn’t do it given our burden of disease here.

Like I said, you’d have to do a LOT more than what Trump did.

What more could he have done? give us specific actions and times that could have been done. You said he was racist when he banned travel from China, BTW, chinese is not a race.

He was a racist when he called it Chinese. These statements have led to numerous attacks on Chinese Americans.

 

[Redfish]

Nancy Pelosi has blood on her hands. There's a special place in hell reserved for her.

For what now?

Obstruction.

Of what?

Read the news.

I assume you are accusing Pelosi of murder for not allowing a massive taxpayer wealth redistribution bill?

Seems pretty hyperbolic you me.

I'm accusing Pelosi of obstructing a bill that would help the American people. Everything was going along fine until she stuck her nose in it to fund Democrat pet projects. You know that, so don't insult the People's intelligence

But those are NOT the reasons the bill is being held up.

The biggest sticking point is the $500bn that Trump wants to control..

$500 billion of Corporate Porkulus

Sadly. Like

Go Nancy Go Nancy Go Nancy.

March 13, 2020 Pelosi and Mnuckin crafted a bill that Trump’s is willing to sign. Sent to Mitch it was totally overhauled.

Trump Says He Supports Pelosi Virus Bill, Urges GOP to Vote Yes

President Donald Trump said he supports the bill negotiated by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and his Treasury secretary to help Americans deal with the spreading coronavirus outbreak, and the House plans to vote on the measure as early as Friday night.

“I fully support H.R. 6201: Families First CoronaVirus Response Act, which will be voted on in the House this evening,” Trump tweeted. “I encourage all Republicans and Democrats to come together and VOTE YES! I will always put the health and well-being of American families FIRST. Look forward to signing the final Bill, ASAP!“

He did, as negotuated originally. Here is the Date of your source kid,
"March 13, 2020, 6:10 PM EDTUpdated on March 13, 2020, 10:33 PM EDT "

Dems killed it on purpose.

Dates? What does it mean? Linky Linky?

Why shoulda/woulda Democrats killed it?

.

they killed it because they saw an opportunity for ram some of their leftist agenda items into it. They don't give a shit about the american people who are hurting, its all about their fricken agenda and power. Wake up america, the dem party is out to destroy this nation.

See, that’s how they get you. Either you deliver dump trucks full of cash to the doorstops of billionaires or the country is over.

nothing in any plan would "deliver dump trucks of cast to billionaires" thats total bullshit. the plan that Pelosi killed would have sent cash payments to average americans and would have kept their employers from going under. If this does not get done, the jobs will not be there when this is over, and it will be over, probably sooner than any of us realize.

Bolded is accomplished with said dump trucks.

no its not. the money is a LOAN unless it is used to pay workers. If it is used to buy back stock, pay execs or anything else it must be paid back.

as usual you have no idea what you are talking about.

And I suppose you want me to believe billionaires always pay back their “loans”, right?

There’s no oversight. No accountability. And everything is kept secret for 6 months.

not true. by the way, where are hillary's 30,000 emails? Putin has them, why don't we? speaking of keeping things secret.

Sure it is. We are supposed to write a check to Mnuchin for half a trillion dollars and come back in 6 months to find out where it went.

I would have thought conservatives would be opposed to that but it just goes to show that there aren’t any conservatives anymore.

So you think we should have a national referendum on every penny spent by government? The election is 8 months away, if the Trump admin abuses this bill, vote them out of office.

who do you think should be checking on Mnuchin? Pelosi? How about spending some money cleaning up the human shit on the streets of Pelosi's district in SFO? Why hasn't she done anything about that mess? Human shit running down the streets into the bay where your precious turtles and seals live.

Yes, I think we should have a national referendum on how money is spent.

They’re called elections.

No one elected Mnuchin.

I agree on elections, we elected Trump and he gets to appoint his cabinet and staff. If you don't like his appointments, vote for senile Joe in november. Did anyone elect Holder or Lynch? or any of the supreme court justices?

we do not have a pure democracy, we have a representative republic, if you don;t like the way the govt is being run, vote for new people to represent you. Until then, we have put people in power and have given them the authority to act in our behalf.

what you seem to be asking for is the ability to have a national vote on every spending item in the budget. any idea how that would work and how long it would take?

You’re making a straw man argument. I never demanded that we vote on how money is spent. I said that the people we vote for should determine how money is spent. That’s what a republic does.

No one elected Mnuchin but somehow he gets handed half a trillion dollars to dole out to whoever he wants.

That’s not what a republic does.

the secretary of the treasury has always had that authority. congress authorizes and appropriates the money and the administration spends it as authorized. Congress could limit how it is spent, but neither the dem or pub bill does that. You are pissing into the wind and wondering why your shoes are wet.

 

[colfax_m]

Speaker Pelosi is trying to protect workers against the Republican slush fund to corporations! Go Nancy!

Pelosi went against the senate dems who helped write this bill. This was as bipartisan as it gets. People kind of need jobs after this is over. A lot of companies aren’t going to survive this even with the relief. Almost all of the 1.8 trillion is going to the 3000$ checks for families, and then at least 500 billion is going to cities and states. Do you mind explaining how Nancy plans to protect workers, many of whom aren’t going to be working for the next 10 weeks, that is if their work survives? My buddy owns a construction company that’s been doing great. He’s probably going to go out of business because he’s renting a lot of heavy machinery that’s just going to be sitting collecting dust, and eating thousands of dollars a day. He employs 70 people. That story is going to be happening everywhere across the country. Let’s not forget, the markets are crashing and everyone with a 401k, which is almost everyone in the country, is loosing thousands of dollars in the markets right now. Not good. Use your brains people. Pelosi doesn’t give a shit about the workers, which is why the NYT decided to change their headline a 3rd time. This is all about tanking the economy to make trump look bad. It’s obvious political maneuvering while Americans are loosing thousands, and aren’t even sure if they’ll come back to a job after this is done.

You need to use your brains. Republicans tried to help their big corporate donors and they got caught. Republicans are responsible for this.

Bullshit...pure bullshit.....

You sure are bullshit.

No you are full of shit....because that's all you got is bullshit...I have democrat and very liberal friends and family that are supporting our president and hoping the house and the senate can work together in the face of a national and global economic crises...

You are full of shit. Maybe the House and Senate can work together if Republicans quit putting big business over the people. There should be strings attached to the money we are giving corporations. These corporation were awash in cash a year ago but wasted it on stock buybacks and generally frittered it away. That should not happen to taxpayer dollars.

Trump has constantly lied and tried to minimize a serious situation. He has told states to essentially go jump in the lake. That is not leadership. That is playing politics.

the big business lie is getting old. everyone knows that is not the case, CNN and MSNBC are lying to you.

As opposed to the billionaires writing their own bailout packages. I bet they would never lie.

 

[busybee01]

Republicans are using a crisis to ram through a corporate Porkulus bill

What you call corporate porkulus is more relevant and helpful to the paycheck and retirement accounts of Americans vs. windmills and solar panels. Further, Democrats seemingly were in agreement with Republicans before they pulled their last minute, irrelevant demands. The benefits extended to Corporations were there all along during the negotiations. Democrats are only trashing them because their radical tactics around last minute, ridiculous demands are blowing up in their faces.

Democrats are once again showing the American People how willing they are to let them suffer and extend misery.

Again you prove you are a liar. The Senate bill was drafted with no input from Democrats. Then having no say, they are supposed to back this. This was a partisan Republican bill and you complain about Democrats being partisan. The Republican demands are the ridiculous part of the bill.

more horseshit, it was a bi-partisan bill until Pelosi demanded that her minions vote against it.

It was not a bipartisan bill. It was negotiated between McConnell and REPUBLICAN Senators. Typical Trump liar.

 

[colfax_m]

Nancy Pelosi has blood on her hands. There's a special place in hell reserved for her.

For what now?

Obstruction.

Of what?

Read the news.

I assume you are accusing Pelosi of murder for not allowing a massive taxpayer wealth redistribution bill?

Seems pretty hyperbolic you me.

I'm accusing Pelosi of obstructing a bill that would help the American people. Everything was going along fine until she stuck her nose in it to fund Democrat pet projects. You know that, so don't insult the People's intelligence

But those are NOT the reasons the bill is being held up.

The biggest sticking point is the $500bn that Trump wants to control..

$500 billion of Corporate Porkulus

Sadly. Like

Go Nancy Go Nancy Go Nancy.

March 13, 2020 Pelosi and Mnuckin crafted a bill that Trump’s is willing to sign. Sent to Mitch it was totally overhauled.

Trump Says He Supports Pelosi Virus Bill, Urges GOP to Vote Yes

President Donald Trump said he supports the bill negotiated by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and his Treasury secretary to help Americans deal with the spreading coronavirus outbreak, and the House plans to vote on the measure as early as Friday night.

“I fully support H.R. 6201: Families First CoronaVirus Response Act, which will be voted on in the House this evening,” Trump tweeted. “I encourage all Republicans and Democrats to come together and VOTE YES! I will always put the health and well-being of American families FIRST. Look forward to signing the final Bill, ASAP!“

He did, as negotuated originally. Here is the Date of your source kid,
"March 13, 2020, 6:10 PM EDTUpdated on March 13, 2020, 10:33 PM EDT "

Dems killed it on purpose.

Dates? What does it mean? Linky Linky?

Why shoulda/woulda Democrats killed it?

.

they killed it because they saw an opportunity for ram some of their leftist agenda items into it. They don't give a shit about the american people who are hurting, its all about their fricken agenda and power. Wake up america, the dem party is out to destroy this nation.

See, that’s how they get you. Either you deliver dump trucks full of cash to the doorstops of billionaires or the country is over.

nothing in any plan would "deliver dump trucks of cast to billionaires" thats total bullshit. the plan that Pelosi killed would have sent cash payments to average americans and would have kept their employers from going under. If this does not get done, the jobs will not be there when this is over, and it will be over, probably sooner than any of us realize.

Bolded is accomplished with said dump trucks.

no its not. the money is a LOAN unless it is used to pay workers. If it is used to buy back stock, pay execs or anything else it must be paid back.

as usual you have no idea what you are talking about.

And I suppose you want me to believe billionaires always pay back their “loans”, right?

There’s no oversight. No accountability. And everything is kept secret for 6 months.

not true. by the way, where are hillary's 30,000 emails? Putin has them, why don't we? speaking of keeping things secret.

Sure it is. We are supposed to write a check to Mnuchin for half a trillion dollars and come back in 6 months to find out where it went.

I would have thought conservatives would be opposed to that but it just goes to show that there aren’t any conservatives anymore.

So you think we should have a national referendum on every penny spent by government? The election is 8 months away, if the Trump admin abuses this bill, vote them out of office.

who do you think should be checking on Mnuchin? Pelosi? How about spending some money cleaning up the human shit on the streets of Pelosi's district in SFO? Why hasn't she done anything about that mess? Human shit running down the streets into the bay where your precious turtles and seals live.

Yes, I think we should have a national referendum on how money is spent.

They’re called elections.

No one elected Mnuchin.

I agree on elections, we elected Trump and he gets to appoint his cabinet and staff. If you don't like his appointments, vote for senile Joe in november. Did anyone elect Holder or Lynch? or any of the supreme court justices?

we do not have a pure democracy, we have a representative republic, if you don;t like the way the govt is being run, vote for new people to represent you. Until then, we have put people in power and have given them the authority to act in our behalf.

what you seem to be asking for is the ability to have a national vote on every spending item in the budget. any idea how that would work and how long it would take?

You’re making a straw man argument. I never demanded that we vote on how money is spent. I said that the people we vote for should determine how money is spent. That’s what a republic does.

No one elected Mnuchin but somehow he gets handed half a trillion dollars to dole out to whoever he wants.

That’s not what a republic does.

the secretary of the treasury has always had that authority. congress authorizes and appropriates the money and the administration spends it as authorized. Congress could limit how it is spent, but neither the dem or pub bill does that. You are pissing into the wind and wondering why your shoes are wet.

Hell no he hasn’t had this authority and Dems are trying to put some oversight before Mnuchin is handed half a trillion dollars to hand out to his corporate buddies.

 

[Redfish]

I think it’s unanimous that the Dims are betting on a total collapse to further their political agenda, however, it’s a two sided sword which will come back and cut deep. One can only hope voters recognize this when they cast their vote.
Funny how when it’s time to bailout Autos, banks, big business, it’s the American thing to do when Dim sits at the desk.

The collapse is already here. Putins boy asswipe made it happen. I warned you and yours about him, but you wouldn't listen. CORPORATE RACKETEERS MAKE VERY BAD PRESIDENTS.....

Right...trump caused a global economic collapse...used his narcissism to will a brand new disease to jump from bats to humans...and then used inception to go into the dreams of the Chinese and leaders of the EU and plant the idea that they should wait a month too late to ban travel because it would be seen as racist. Good analysis

Asswipe didn't address the problem early enough. He was more concerned about his reelection.

You're a liar. The President shut down travel from China on January 31st and Democrats criticized him for it.

Not exactly.
He restricted foreign nationals from entering the country who had been to the affected region. Americans and immediate family of Americans who are foreign nationals were allowed to travel back and forth. They were not legally prevented from doing so.

Flights continued between the two countries.

You know who did ban flights in and out of China on that exact same day? Italy.

For that to have worked for Italy, the entire EU would’ve had to restrict travel. Europe is a pandemics wet dream. Tons of public transport, that’s used often, people with money and time to travel, hostels, tightly packed cities, tons of tourist attractions. Italy’s travel ban was useless. Which is why I said the EU needed too. I mean I shouldn’t have to say what I just said because one should be able to pretty easily logically deduce why a travel ban worked in USA but not in Italy. Just look at the evidence staring you in the face. You can contain the few carriers that slip through the cracks of the flights banned to a region that came through other regions...you can’t contain the 30 or so carriers a day traveling coming in from direct flights to your region.

COVID had almost certainly taken hold in Italy prior to the declaration.

No travel ban (or attempted ban) was effective. If you want to blame Italy’s situation on lack of a ban, then the entire EU would be suffering the same fate, and they aren’t.

Oh Jesus, Italy has more elderly, and the family units are stronger. A lot of grandparents live with the family and if they don’t they are visited more often. Also, some politicians in Italy thought it was a good idea to have a “hug a Chinese person day” during a pandemic to show how woke you are. That obviously didn’t work out for a lot of people. Goes to show you how seriously some of the politicians were taking this, they weren't, they were trying to score political points...a lot like the OP topic. And wrong again, the entire EU is being rocked. Italy is just the most staggering example of what happens when politicians don’t take shit seriously.

The point is that the disease was global by Jan 31. No travel restrictions absent completely shutting the border was going to be effective. The rest of the EU is not affected to the same degree and many no more so than us.

Talking about scoring political points is exactly what Trump has been doing this whole time.

Just because it moved out of the country of origin, doesn’t mean it isn’t containable. You can contain the few that slip through the cracks. You can’t do that when you let anybody who wants to come over from an outbreak region. Do you not see why that would be a problem? It wasn’t just a problem for the either, that shit came over to New York, our biggest hub for European travel, and now NY is looking at 3000 cases that’s gonna probably be 10000 in a couple of days.

If it was containable, we clearly didn’t do it given our burden of disease here.

Like I said, you’d have to do a LOT more than what Trump did.

What more could he have done? give us specific actions and times that could have been done. You said he was racist when he banned travel from China, BTW, chinese is not a race.

He was a racist when he called it Chinese. These statements have led to numerous attacks on Chinese Americans.

was it racist when the entire world called the spanish flu, spanish flu?

attacks on chinese americans are wrong and Trump has condemned that very strongly.

It is a virus that started in China, it is a Chinese virus. to call it anything else is stupid

by the way, Chinese is a nationality----------------NOT A RACE.

 

[Redfish]

Republicans are using a crisis to ram through a corporate Porkulus bill

What you call corporate porkulus is more relevant and helpful to the paycheck and retirement accounts of Americans vs. windmills and solar panels. Further, Democrats seemingly were in agreement with Republicans before they pulled their last minute, irrelevant demands. The benefits extended to Corporations were there all along during the negotiations. Democrats are only trashing them because their radical tactics around last minute, ridiculous demands are blowing up in their faces.

Democrats are once again showing the American People how willing they are to let them suffer and extend misery.

Again you prove you are a liar. The Senate bill was drafted with no input from Democrats. Then having no say, they are supposed to back this. This was a partisan Republican bill and you complain about Democrats being partisan. The Republican demands are the ridiculous part of the bill.

more horseshit, it was a bi-partisan bill until Pelosi demanded that her minions vote against it.

It was not a bipartisan bill. It was negotiated between McConnell and REPUBLICAN Senators. Typical Trump liar.

WRONG

 

[Redfish]

Nancy Pelosi has blood on her hands. There's a special place in hell reserved for her.

For what now?

Obstruction.

Of what?

Read the news.

I assume you are accusing Pelosi of murder for not allowing a massive taxpayer wealth redistribution bill?

Seems pretty hyperbolic you me.

I'm accusing Pelosi of obstructing a bill that would help the American people. Everything was going along fine until she stuck her nose in it to fund Democrat pet projects. You know that, so don't insult the People's intelligence

But those are NOT the reasons the bill is being held up.

The biggest sticking point is the $500bn that Trump wants to control..

$500 billion of Corporate Porkulus

Sadly. Like

Go Nancy Go Nancy Go Nancy.

March 13, 2020 Pelosi and Mnuckin crafted a bill that Trump’s is willing to sign. Sent to Mitch it was totally overhauled.

Trump Says He Supports Pelosi Virus Bill, Urges GOP to Vote Yes

President Donald Trump said he supports the bill negotiated by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and his Treasury secretary to help Americans deal with the spreading coronavirus outbreak, and the House plans to vote on the measure as early as Friday night.

“I fully support H.R. 6201: Families First CoronaVirus Response Act, which will be voted on in the House this evening,” Trump tweeted. “I encourage all Republicans and Democrats to come together and VOTE YES! I will always put the health and well-being of American families FIRST. Look forward to signing the final Bill, ASAP!“

He did, as negotuated originally. Here is the Date of your source kid,
"March 13, 2020, 6:10 PM EDTUpdated on March 13, 2020, 10:33 PM EDT "

Dems killed it on purpose.

Dates? What does it mean? Linky Linky?

Why shoulda/woulda Democrats killed it?

.

they killed it because they saw an opportunity for ram some of their leftist agenda items into it. They don't give a shit about the american people who are hurting, its all about their fricken agenda and power. Wake up america, the dem party is out to destroy this nation.

See, that’s how they get you. Either you deliver dump trucks full of cash to the doorstops of billionaires or the country is over.

nothing in any plan would "deliver dump trucks of cast to billionaires" thats total bullshit. the plan that Pelosi killed would have sent cash payments to average americans and would have kept their employers from going under. If this does not get done, the jobs will not be there when this is over, and it will be over, probably sooner than any of us realize.

Bolded is accomplished with said dump trucks.

no its not. the money is a LOAN unless it is used to pay workers. If it is used to buy back stock, pay execs or anything else it must be paid back.

as usual you have no idea what you are talking about.

And I suppose you want me to believe billionaires always pay back their “loans”, right?

There’s no oversight. No accountability. And everything is kept secret for 6 months.

not true. by the way, where are hillary's 30,000 emails? Putin has them, why don't we? speaking of keeping things secret.

Sure it is. We are supposed to write a check to Mnuchin for half a trillion dollars and come back in 6 months to find out where it went.

I would have thought conservatives would be opposed to that but it just goes to show that there aren’t any conservatives anymore.

So you think we should have a national referendum on every penny spent by government? The election is 8 months away, if the Trump admin abuses this bill, vote them out of office.

who do you think should be checking on Mnuchin? Pelosi? How about spending some money cleaning up the human shit on the streets of Pelosi's district in SFO? Why hasn't she done anything about that mess? Human shit running down the streets into the bay where your precious turtles and seals live.

Yes, I think we should have a national referendum on how money is spent.

They’re called elections.

No one elected Mnuchin.

I agree on elections, we elected Trump and he gets to appoint his cabinet and staff. If you don't like his appointments, vote for senile Joe in november. Did anyone elect Holder or Lynch? or any of the supreme court justices?

we do not have a pure democracy, we have a representative republic, if you don;t like the way the govt is being run, vote for new people to represent you. Until then, we have put people in power and have given them the authority to act in our behalf.

what you seem to be asking for is the ability to have a national vote on every spending item in the budget. any idea how that would work and how long it would take?

You’re making a straw man argument. I never demanded that we vote on how money is spent. I said that the people we vote for should determine how money is spent. That’s what a republic does.

No one elected Mnuchin but somehow he gets handed half a trillion dollars to dole out to whoever he wants.

That’s not what a republic does.

the secretary of the treasury has always had that authority. congress authorizes and appropriates the money and the administration spends it as authorized. Congress could limit how it is spent, but neither the dem or pub bill does that. You are pissing into the wind and wondering why your shoes are wet.

Hell no he hasn’t had this authority and Dems are trying to put some oversight before Mnuchin is handed half a trillion dollars to hand out to his corporate buddies.

Your ignorance is becoming humorous

 

[busybee01]

Nancy Pelosi has blood on her hands. There's a special place in hell reserved for her.

For what now?

Obstruction.

Of what?

Read the news.

I assume you are accusing Pelosi of murder for not allowing a massive taxpayer wealth redistribution bill?

Seems pretty hyperbolic you me.

I'm accusing Pelosi of obstructing a bill that would help the American people. Everything was going along fine until she stuck her nose in it to fund Democrat pet projects. You know that, so don't insult the People's intelligence

But those are NOT the reasons the bill is being held up.

The biggest sticking point is the $500bn that Trump wants to control..

$500 billion of Corporate Porkulus

Sadly. Like

Go Nancy Go Nancy Go Nancy.

March 13, 2020 Pelosi and Mnuckin crafted a bill that Trump’s is willing to sign. Sent to Mitch it was totally overhauled.

Trump Says He Supports Pelosi Virus Bill, Urges GOP to Vote Yes

President Donald Trump said he supports the bill negotiated by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and his Treasury secretary to help Americans deal with the spreading coronavirus outbreak, and the House plans to vote on the measure as early as Friday night.

“I fully support H.R. 6201: Families First CoronaVirus Response Act, which will be voted on in the House this evening,” Trump tweeted. “I encourage all Republicans and Democrats to come together and VOTE YES! I will always put the health and well-being of American families FIRST. Look forward to signing the final Bill, ASAP!“

He did, as negotuated originally. Here is the Date of your source kid,
"March 13, 2020, 6:10 PM EDTUpdated on March 13, 2020, 10:33 PM EDT "

Dems killed it on purpose.

Dates? What does it mean? Linky Linky?

Why shoulda/woulda Democrats killed it?

.

they killed it because they saw an opportunity for ram some of their leftist agenda items into it. They don't give a shit about the american people who are hurting, its all about their fricken agenda and power. Wake up america, the dem party is out to destroy this nation.

See, that’s how they get you. Either you deliver dump trucks full of cash to the doorstops of billionaires or the country is over.

nothing in any plan would "deliver dump trucks of cast to billionaires" thats total bullshit. the plan that Pelosi killed would have sent cash payments to average americans and would have kept their employers from going under. If this does not get done, the jobs will not be there when this is over, and it will be over, probably sooner than any of us realize.

Corporations were awash in cash a year ago. What happened to it? They spent it on stock buybacks among other things. Democrats want to ban this. In this case they are right.

 

[Redfish]

Nancy Pelosi has blood on her hands. There's a special place in hell reserved for her.

For what now?

Obstruction.

Of what?

Read the news.

I assume you are accusing Pelosi of murder for not allowing a massive taxpayer wealth redistribution bill?

Seems pretty hyperbolic you me.

I'm accusing Pelosi of obstructing a bill that would help the American people. Everything was going along fine until she stuck her nose in it to fund Democrat pet projects. You know that, so don't insult the People's intelligence

But those are NOT the reasons the bill is being held up.

The biggest sticking point is the $500bn that Trump wants to control..

$500 billion of Corporate Porkulus

Sadly. Like

Go Nancy Go Nancy Go Nancy.

March 13, 2020 Pelosi and Mnuckin crafted a bill that Trump’s is willing to sign. Sent to Mitch it was totally overhauled.

Trump Says He Supports Pelosi Virus Bill, Urges GOP to Vote Yes

President Donald Trump said he supports the bill negotiated by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and his Treasury secretary to help Americans deal with the spreading coronavirus outbreak, and the House plans to vote on the measure as early as Friday night.

“I fully support H.R. 6201: Families First CoronaVirus Response Act, which will be voted on in the House this evening,” Trump tweeted. “I encourage all Republicans and Democrats to come together and VOTE YES! I will always put the health and well-being of American families FIRST. Look forward to signing the final Bill, ASAP!“

He did, as negotuated originally. Here is the Date of your source kid,
"March 13, 2020, 6:10 PM EDTUpdated on March 13, 2020, 10:33 PM EDT "

Dems killed it on purpose.

Dates? What does it mean? Linky Linky?

Why shoulda/woulda Democrats killed it?

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they killed it because they saw an opportunity for ram some of their leftist agenda items into it. They don't give a shit about the american people who are hurting, its all about their fricken agenda and power. Wake up america, the dem party is out to destroy this nation.

See, that’s how they get you. Either you deliver dump trucks full of cash to the doorstops of billionaires or the country is over.

nothing in any plan would "deliver dump trucks of cast to billionaires" thats total bullshit. the plan that Pelosi killed would have sent cash payments to average americans and would have kept their employers from going under. If this does not get done, the jobs will not be there when this is over, and it will be over, probably sooner than any of us realize.

Bolded is accomplished with said dump trucks.

no its not. the money is a LOAN unless it is used to pay workers. If it is used to buy back stock, pay execs or anything else it must be paid back.

as usual you have no idea what you are talking about.

And I suppose you want me to believe billionaires always pay back their “loans”, right?

There’s no oversight. No accountability. And everything is kept secret for 6 months.

not true. by the way, where are hillary's 30,000 emails? Putin has them, why don't we? speaking of keeping things secret.

Sure it is. We are supposed to write a check to Mnuchin for half a trillion dollars and come back in 6 months to find out where it went.

I would have thought conservatives would be opposed to that but it just goes to show that there aren’t any conservatives anymore.

So you think we should have a national referendum on every penny spent by government? The election is 8 months away, if the Trump admin abuses this bill, vote them out of office.

who do you think should be checking on Mnuchin? Pelosi? How about spending some money cleaning up the human shit on the streets of Pelosi's district in SFO? Why hasn't she done anything about that mess? Human shit running down the streets into the bay where your precious turtles and seals live.

Yes, I think we should have a national referendum on how money is spent.

They’re called elections.

No one elected Mnuchin.

I agree on elections, we elected Trump and he gets to appoint his cabinet and staff. If you don't like his appointments, vote for senile Joe in november. Did anyone elect Holder or Lynch? or any of the supreme court justices?

we do not have a pure democracy, we have a representative republic, if you don;t like the way the govt is being run, vote for new people to represent you. Until then, we have put people in power and have given them the authority to act in our behalf.

what you seem to be asking for is the ability to have a national vote on every spending item in the budget. any idea how that would work and how long it would take?

You’re making a straw man argument. I never demanded that we vote on how money is spent. I said that the people we vote for should determine how money is spent. That’s what a republic does.

No one elected Mnuchin but somehow he gets handed half a trillion dollars to dole out to whoever he wants.

That’s not what a republic does.

the secretary of the treasury has always had that authority. congress authorizes and appropriates the money and the administration spends it as authorized. Congress could limit how it is spent, but neither the dem or pub bill does that. You are pissing into the wind and wondering why your shoes are wet.

Hell no he hasn’t had this authority and Dems are trying to put some oversight before Mnuchin is handed half a trillion dollars to hand out to his corporate buddies.

If you had read my post you would have seen that I said the congress could put limits on the treasury secretary, maybe they will in the final bill, but as written by both parties it does not.