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Can't agree on this one Jake. Pete Rose was one of the best players to ever put on a uniform and his attitude alone served as immeasurable inspiration to arguably millions.
The whole denial of the HoF is complete political posturing and has nothing to do with his accomplishments, which are sitting right there in the record books whether anybody likes who set them or not. If they want to pretend the HoF is some kind of moral award, they'll need to kick out a bunch of others already in there - like Ty Cobb.
But that's not what HoF status is, and it's completely disingenuous to pretend it is.
Umm bro what what you're apparently too stupid too understand is pete rose hurt the integrity of MLB by gambling on the sport while he was in his position as skipper. Putting him in the hall would be like honoring Rob Blagojevich for a career of public service. Rose violated the most sacred trust you can violate. He gets no sympathy from smart people. The man was bad for game and deserves nothing but scorn. He can't even own up to what he did for Christ sake.
Ummm bro what you're apparently too stupid to understand is that Pete Rose (we capitalize proper names in English) had a short and undistinguished career as a manager and wasn't going to a HoF for that at all. What he did as a player however is what you end up in the Hall for. Keeping him out of the Hall for reasons having nothing to do with that performance is just denialism, and undermines the whole reason for having a Hall in the first place.
Can't agree on this one Jake. Pete Rose was one of the best players to ever put on a uniform and his attitude alone served as immeasurable inspiration to arguably millions.
The whole denial of the HoF is complete political posturing and has nothing to do with his accomplishments, which are sitting right there in the record books whether anybody likes who set them or not. If they want to pretend the HoF is some kind of moral award, they'll need to kick out a bunch of others already in there - like Ty Cobb.
But that's not what HoF status is, and it's completely disingenuous to pretend it is.
Umm bro what what you're apparently too stupid too understand is pete rose hurt the integrity of MLB by gambling on the sport while he was in his position as skipper. Putting him in the hall would be like honoring Rob Blagojevich for a career of public service. Rose violated the most sacred trust you can violate. He gets no sympathy from smart people. The man was bad for game and deserves nothing but scorn. He can't even own up to what he did for Christ sake.
Ummm bro what you're apparently too stupid to understand is that Pete Rose (we capitalize proper names in English) had a short and undistinguished career as a manager and wasn't going to a HoF for that at all. What he did as a player however is what you end up in the Hall for. Keeping him out of the Hall for reasons having nothing to do with that performance is just denialism, and undermines the whole reason for having a Hall in the first place.
Wrong. What he did as a manager totally negates what he did as a player, and then some. Had he committed his crime when he wasn't representing MLB then perhaps you'd have a point, but while he was a manger (a position in which he was representing MLB) he compromised the league's integrity in the worst possible way. When did that baseball had no other choice but to cut ties with him in order to keep the league's integrity intact.
Can't agree on this one Jake. Pete Rose was one of the best players to ever put on a uniform and his attitude alone served as immeasurable inspiration to arguably millions.
The whole denial of the HoF is complete political posturing and has nothing to do with his accomplishments, which are sitting right there in the record books whether anybody likes who set them or not. If they want to pretend the HoF is some kind of moral award, they'll need to kick out a bunch of others already in there - like Ty Cobb.
But that's not what HoF status is, and it's completely disingenuous to pretend it is.
Umm bro what what you're apparently too stupid too understand is pete rose hurt the integrity of MLB by gambling on the sport while he was in his position as skipper. Putting him in the hall would be like honoring Rob Blagojevich for a career of public service. Rose violated the most sacred trust you can violate. He gets no sympathy from smart people. The man was bad for game and deserves nothing but scorn. He can't even own up to what he did for Christ sake.
Ummm bro what you're apparently too stupid to understand is that Pete Rose (we capitalize proper names in English) had a short and undistinguished career as a manager and wasn't going to a HoF for that at all. What he did as a player however is what you end up in the Hall for. Keeping him out of the Hall for reasons having nothing to do with that performance is just denialism, and undermines the whole reason for having a Hall in the first place.
Wrong. What he did as a manager totally negates what he did as a player, and then some. Had he committed his crime when he wasn't representing MLB then perhaps you'd have a point, but while he was a manger (a position in which he was representing MLB) he compromised the league's integrity in the worst possible way. When did that baseball had no other choice but to cut ties with him in order to keep the league's integrity intact.
Wrong. It has nothing to do with that time in 1976 he stretched a single into a double or got the run home with a hit in 1969. Those are facts. They don't change. They're done and nothing undoes them.
A Hall of Fame is either a tribute to outstanding performance in the field --- or it isn't. And if the latter, that's not a Hall of Fame. You can't put up a building, say "these are the best that ever played the game" --- and then omit one of the very best to play the game.
Can't agree on this one Jake. Pete Rose was one of the best players to ever put on a uniform and his attitude alone served as immeasurable inspiration to arguably millions.
The whole denial of the HoF is complete political posturing and has nothing to do with his accomplishments, which are sitting right there in the record books whether anybody likes who set them or not. If they want to pretend the HoF is some kind of moral award, they'll need to kick out a bunch of others already in there - like Ty Cobb.
But that's not what HoF status is, and it's completely disingenuous to pretend it is.
Umm bro what what you're apparently too stupid too understand is pete rose hurt the integrity of MLB by gambling on the sport while he was in his position as skipper. Putting him in the hall would be like honoring Rob Blagojevich for a career of public service. Rose violated the most sacred trust you can violate. He gets no sympathy from smart people. The man was bad for game and deserves nothing but scorn. He can't even own up to what he did for Christ sake.
Ummm bro what you're apparently too stupid to understand is that Pete Rose (we capitalize proper names in English) had a short and undistinguished career as a manager and wasn't going to a HoF for that at all. What he did as a player however is what you end up in the Hall for. Keeping him out of the Hall for reasons having nothing to do with that performance is just denialism, and undermines the whole reason for having a Hall in the first place.
Wrong. What he did as a manager totally negates what he did as a player, and then some. Had he committed his crime when he wasn't representing MLB then perhaps you'd have a point, but while he was a manger (a position in which he was representing MLB) he compromised the league's integrity in the worst possible way. When did that baseball had no other choice but to cut ties with him in order to keep the league's integrity intact.
Wrong. It has nothing to do with that time in 1976 he stretched a single into a double or got the run home with a hit in 1969. Those are facts. They don't change. They're done and nothing undoes them.
A Hall of Fame is either a tribute to outstanding performance in the field --- or it isn't. And if the latter, that's not a Hall of Fame. You can't put up a building, say "these are the best that ever played the game" --- and then omit one of the very best to play the game.
Umm, dickhead, you just don't get it. Anyone that does that kind of damage to the game doesn't deserve to be recognized by MLB, much less honored. It's a simple concept to understand, but your name is Pogo. Gambling on the game as a skipper is much more egregious than using steroids, and there are steroid users who will never get it. Arod will never get in and his numbers are probably going to be more impressive than Rose's when it's all said and done.
Umm bro what what you're apparently too stupid too understand is pete rose hurt the integrity of MLB by gambling on the sport while he was in his position as skipper. Putting him in the hall would be like honoring Rob Blagojevich for a career of public service. Rose violated the most sacred trust you can violate. He gets no sympathy from smart people. The man was bad for game and deserves nothing but scorn. He can't even own up to what he did for Christ sake.
Ummm bro what you're apparently too stupid to understand is that Pete Rose (we capitalize proper names in English) had a short and undistinguished career as a manager and wasn't going to a HoF for that at all. What he did as a player however is what you end up in the Hall for. Keeping him out of the Hall for reasons having nothing to do with that performance is just denialism, and undermines the whole reason for having a Hall in the first place.
Wrong. What he did as a manager totally negates what he did as a player, and then some. Had he committed his crime when he wasn't representing MLB then perhaps you'd have a point, but while he was a manger (a position in which he was representing MLB) he compromised the league's integrity in the worst possible way. When did that baseball had no other choice but to cut ties with him in order to keep the league's integrity intact.
Wrong. It has nothing to do with that time in 1976 he stretched a single into a double or got the run home with a hit in 1969. Those are facts. They don't change. They're done and nothing undoes them.
A Hall of Fame is either a tribute to outstanding performance in the field --- or it isn't. And if the latter, that's not a Hall of Fame. You can't put up a building, say "these are the best that ever played the game" --- and then omit one of the very best to play the game.
Umm, dickhead, you just don't get it. Anyone that does that kind of damage to the game doesn't deserve to be recognized by MLB, much less honored. It's a simple concept to understand, but your name is Pogo. Gambling on the game as a skipper is much more egregious than using steroids, and there are steroid users who will never get it. Arod will never get in and his numbers are probably going to be more impressive than Rose's when it's all said and done.
What the fuck is your problem, shitstain? You've done nothing but attack me because I dare to think through a position you didn't think of. I've got as much right to an opinion as you, so EAT ME.
The numbers are the fucking numbers. Nothing changes them. And if the HoF doesn't recognize them, while it recognizes a ton of other numbers including from other far-less-than-pillars-of-society, then it's not a Hall of Fame, it's a hypocritical wank museum for the business of baseball and not the sport.
Keep him banned from association with MLB for the rest of his life, I don't care. But don't tell me he didn't put up the numbers he did, because that's flat out dishonest.
Now go fuck yourself in the ass with Pete Rose's bat from 1963. A broken one.
His numbers dont mean shit because he compromised the integrity of the game. Let's say you're the CEO of a company and you've been working there for 10+ years. Your performance was exceptional to the effect that you were recognized as the best CEO in buisness. Everything is going great for you until you get caught in a shareholder fraud scandal at the end of your tenure with the company. Now the company's most important asset is its bond of trust and it's partnership with its shareholders. Knowing that could you ever resonably expect the company to ever honor you for your past work ever? Don't say it's apples to oranges because it's not.
A manager betting on games challenges the integrity of the game and MLB. Yeah...steroids, drugs and so on...they stain the game...but it does not threaten the integrity like gambling...an action that can affect the outcome of a game or a season...or even the odds of a game. Rose had insider knowledge and the ability to cheat for profit (yes, I know - he supposedly never bet against the Reds, but honestly...I think he did and that is why the punishment is so harsh). Mr. Hustle was a focused man who did everything to win...don't you think that quality would extend to gambling?
When he dies, reinstate him, admit him to the Hall of Fame...until then, let him suffer.
Ummm bro what you're apparently too stupid to understand is that Pete Rose (we capitalize proper names in English) had a short and undistinguished career as a manager and wasn't going to a HoF for that at all. What he did as a player however is what you end up in the Hall for. Keeping him out of the Hall for reasons having nothing to do with that performance is just denialism, and undermines the whole reason for having a Hall in the first place.
Wrong. What he did as a manager totally negates what he did as a player, and then some. Had he committed his crime when he wasn't representing MLB then perhaps you'd have a point, but while he was a manger (a position in which he was representing MLB) he compromised the league's integrity in the worst possible way. When did that baseball had no other choice but to cut ties with him in order to keep the league's integrity intact.
Wrong. It has nothing to do with that time in 1976 he stretched a single into a double or got the run home with a hit in 1969. Those are facts. They don't change. They're done and nothing undoes them.
A Hall of Fame is either a tribute to outstanding performance in the field --- or it isn't. And if the latter, that's not a Hall of Fame. You can't put up a building, say "these are the best that ever played the game" --- and then omit one of the very best to play the game.
Umm, dickhead, you just don't get it. Anyone that does that kind of damage to the game doesn't deserve to be recognized by MLB, much less honored. It's a simple concept to understand, but your name is Pogo. Gambling on the game as a skipper is much more egregious than using steroids, and there are steroid users who will never get it. Arod will never get in and his numbers are probably going to be more impressive than Rose's when it's all said and done.
What the fuck is your problem, shitstain? You've done nothing but attack me because I dare to think through a position you didn't think of. I've got as much right to an opinion as you, so EAT ME.
The numbers are the fucking numbers. Nothing changes them. And if the HoF doesn't recognize them, while it recognizes a ton of other numbers including from other far-less-than-pillars-of-society, then it's not a Hall of Fame, it's a hypocritical wank museum for the business of baseball and not the sport.
Keep him banned from association with MLB for the rest of his life, I don't care. But don't tell me he didn't put up the numbers he did, because that's flat out dishonest.
Now go fuck yourself in the ass with Pete Rose's bat from 1963. A broken one.
Ok maybe I've been a bit of an asshole, but in my defense I am an asshole.
I explained it to you three times
Come on man...a coach betting on his team...that he has control over....in what world is that acceptable? The act itself reflects on the reputation of MLB.Wrong. What he did as a manager totally negates what he did as a player, and then some. Had he committed his crime when he wasn't representing MLB then perhaps you'd have a point, but while he was a manger (a position in which he was representing MLB) he compromised the league's integrity in the worst possible way. When did that baseball had no other choice but to cut ties with him in order to keep the league's integrity intact.
Wrong. It has nothing to do with that time in 1976 he stretched a single into a double or got the run home with a hit in 1969. Those are facts. They don't change. They're done and nothing undoes them.
A Hall of Fame is either a tribute to outstanding performance in the field --- or it isn't. And if the latter, that's not a Hall of Fame. You can't put up a building, say "these are the best that ever played the game" --- and then omit one of the very best to play the game.
Umm, dickhead, you just don't get it. Anyone that does that kind of damage to the game doesn't deserve to be recognized by MLB, much less honored. It's a simple concept to understand, but your name is Pogo. Gambling on the game as a skipper is much more egregious than using steroids, and there are steroid users who will never get it. Arod will never get in and his numbers are probably going to be more impressive than Rose's when it's all said and done.
What the fuck is your problem, shitstain? You've done nothing but attack me because I dare to think through a position you didn't think of. I've got as much right to an opinion as you, so EAT ME.
The numbers are the fucking numbers. Nothing changes them. And if the HoF doesn't recognize them, while it recognizes a ton of other numbers including from other far-less-than-pillars-of-society, then it's not a Hall of Fame, it's a hypocritical wank museum for the business of baseball and not the sport.
Keep him banned from association with MLB for the rest of his life, I don't care. But don't tell me he didn't put up the numbers he did, because that's flat out dishonest.
Now go fuck yourself in the ass with Pete Rose's bat from 1963. A broken one.
Ok maybe I've been a bit of an asshole, but in my defense I am an asshole.
I explained it to you three times
Yeah it is apples and oranges. Because in a proper analogy the CEO with the fraud would be equivalent to Rose throwing games or deliberately striking out.
You seem to think the gambling episodes are somehow related to the hits and the base steals and the runs.
It isn't. They're two entirely separate things.
Wrong. What he did as a manager totally negates what he did as a player, and then some. Had he committed his crime when he wasn't representing MLB then perhaps you'd have a point, but while he was a manger (a position in which he was representing MLB) he compromised the league's integrity in the worst possible way. When did that baseball had no other choice but to cut ties with him in order to keep the league's integrity intact.
Wrong. It has nothing to do with that time in 1976 he stretched a single into a double or got the run home with a hit in 1969. Those are facts. They don't change. They're done and nothing undoes them.
A Hall of Fame is either a tribute to outstanding performance in the field --- or it isn't. And if the latter, that's not a Hall of Fame. You can't put up a building, say "these are the best that ever played the game" --- and then omit one of the very best to play the game.
Umm, dickhead, you just don't get it. Anyone that does that kind of damage to the game doesn't deserve to be recognized by MLB, much less honored. It's a simple concept to understand, but your name is Pogo. Gambling on the game as a skipper is much more egregious than using steroids, and there are steroid users who will never get it. Arod will never get in and his numbers are probably going to be more impressive than Rose's when it's all said and done.
What the fuck is your problem, shitstain? You've done nothing but attack me because I dare to think through a position you didn't think of. I've got as much right to an opinion as you, so EAT ME.
The numbers are the fucking numbers. Nothing changes them. And if the HoF doesn't recognize them, while it recognizes a ton of other numbers including from other far-less-than-pillars-of-society, then it's not a Hall of Fame, it's a hypocritical wank museum for the business of baseball and not the sport.
Keep him banned from association with MLB for the rest of his life, I don't care. But don't tell me he didn't put up the numbers he did, because that's flat out dishonest.
Now go fuck yourself in the ass with Pete Rose's bat from 1963. A broken one.
Ok maybe I've been a bit of an asshole, but in my defense I am an asshole.
I explained it to you three times
Yeah it is apples and oranges. Because in a proper analogy the CEO with the fraud would be equivalent to Rose throwing games or deliberately striking out.
You seem to think the gambling episodes are somehow related to the hits and the base steals and the runs.
It isn't. They're two entirely separate things.
A manager betting on games challenges the integrity of the game and MLB. Yeah...steroids, drugs and so on...they stain the game...but it does not threaten the integrity like gambling...an action that can affect the outcome of a game or a season...or even the odds of a game. Rose had insider knowledge and the ability to cheat for profit (yes, I know - he supposedly never bet against the Reds, but honestly...I think he did and that is why the punishment is so harsh). Mr. Hustle was a focused man who did everything to win...don't you think that quality would extend to gambling?
When he dies, reinstate him, admit him to the Hall of Fame...until then, let him suffer.
Wrong. It has nothing to do with that time in 1976 he stretched a single into a double or got the run home with a hit in 1969. Those are facts. They don't change. They're done and nothing undoes them.
A Hall of Fame is either a tribute to outstanding performance in the field --- or it isn't. And if the latter, that's not a Hall of Fame. You can't put up a building, say "these are the best that ever played the game" --- and then omit one of the very best to play the game.
Umm, dickhead, you just don't get it. Anyone that does that kind of damage to the game doesn't deserve to be recognized by MLB, much less honored. It's a simple concept to understand, but your name is Pogo. Gambling on the game as a skipper is much more egregious than using steroids, and there are steroid users who will never get it. Arod will never get in and his numbers are probably going to be more impressive than Rose's when it's all said and done.
What the fuck is your problem, shitstain? You've done nothing but attack me because I dare to think through a position you didn't think of. I've got as much right to an opinion as you, so EAT ME.
The numbers are the fucking numbers. Nothing changes them. And if the HoF doesn't recognize them, while it recognizes a ton of other numbers including from other far-less-than-pillars-of-society, then it's not a Hall of Fame, it's a hypocritical wank museum for the business of baseball and not the sport.
Keep him banned from association with MLB for the rest of his life, I don't care. But don't tell me he didn't put up the numbers he did, because that's flat out dishonest.
Now go fuck yourself in the ass with Pete Rose's bat from 1963. A broken one.
Ok maybe I've been a bit of an asshole, but in my defense I am an asshole.
I explained it to you three times
Yeah it is apples and oranges. Because in a proper analogy the CEO with the fraud would be equivalent to Rose throwing games or deliberately striking out.
You seem to think the gambling episodes are somehow related to the hits and the base steals and the runs.
It isn't. They're two entirely separate things.
No fair I just said you can't say it's apples to oranges! OK in all seriousness gambling on the sport may not be equivalent to throwing ballgames, but it's in the same fucking ballpark, no pun intended. No one is denying he had great stats, but his contributions to the game were diminished by his transgressions.
Not saying that steroids don't benefit the individual player...they get caught, they get punished for drug abuse. It's not like entire teams are taking steroids at the direction of the club...AND ON TOP OF THAT...cold medicine can make one test positive for steroids. And, even with steroids...if you can't already hit, throw or run, they aren't going to help you at all.A manager betting on games challenges the integrity of the game and MLB. Yeah...steroids, drugs and so on...they stain the game...but it does not threaten the integrity like gambling...an action that can affect the outcome of a game or a season...or even the odds of a game. Rose had insider knowledge and the ability to cheat for profit (yes, I know - he supposedly never bet against the Reds, but honestly...I think he did and that is why the punishment is so harsh). Mr. Hustle was a focused man who did everything to win...don't you think that quality would extend to gambling?
When he dies, reinstate him, admit him to the Hall of Fame...until then, let him suffer.
Are you shittin' me?
Steroids don't affect the outcome of a game?
Ever seen a baseball game?
Of course that is what they claimed. It is irrelevant either way....it is just common sense and basic ethics NOT to bet on your team...or bet on games within the organization in which you play.And btw nobody, including MLB, claimed he ever bet against his own team. Your dreaming up fantasies doesn't make them retroactive events.
I totally forgot about him lying. But he dd admit to betting on his team...he said he never bet against them. IIRC...the Reds sucked then as well. If he actually bet on them to win...wouldn't that make hm a dumbass gambler?Rose, lied about betting, then lied about betting on baseball, it's not to far of a stretch to say he bet on his team.
Nutz, you make a compelling argument, I was agreeing Pogo until Nutz made his argument.
A manager betting on games challenges the integrity of the game and MLB. Yeah...steroids, drugs and so on...they stain the game...but it does not threaten the integrity like gambling...an action that can affect the outcome of a game or a season...or even the odds of a game. Rose had insider knowledge and the ability to cheat for profit (yes, I know - he supposedly never bet against the Reds, but honestly...I think he did and that is why the punishment is so harsh). Mr. Hustle was a focused man who did everything to win...don't you think that quality would extend to gambling?
When he dies, reinstate him, admit him to the Hall of Fame...until then, let him suffer.
Are you shittin' me?
Steroids don't affect the outcome of a game?
Ever seen a baseball game?
Not saying that steroids don't benefit the individual player...they get caught, they get punished for drug abuse.
It's not like entire teams are taking steroids at the direction of the club...AND ON TOP OF THAT...cold medicine can make one test positive for steroids. And, even with steroids...if you can't already hit, throw or run, they aren't going to help you at all.
Of course that is what they claimed. It is irrelevant either way....it is just common sense and basic ethics NOT to bet on your team...or bet on games within the organization in which you play.And btw nobody, including MLB, claimed he ever bet against his own team. Your dreaming up fantasies doesn't make them retroactive events.
A manager betting on games challenges the integrity of the game and MLB. Yeah...steroids, drugs and so on...they stain the game...but it does not threaten the integrity like gambling...an action that can affect the outcome of a game or a season...or even the odds of a game. Rose had insider knowledge and the ability to cheat for profit (yes, I know - he supposedly never bet against the Reds, but honestly...I think he did and that is why the punishment is so harsh). Mr. Hustle was a focused man who did everything to win...don't you think that quality would extend to gambling?
When he dies, reinstate him, admit him to the Hall of Fame...until then, let him suffer.
Are you shittin' me?
Steroids don't affect the outcome of a game?
Ever seen a baseball game?
And btw nobody, including MLB, claimed he ever bet against his own team. Your dreaming up fantasies doesn't make them retroactive events.
Umm, dickhead, you just don't get it. Anyone that does that kind of damage to the game doesn't deserve to be recognized by MLB, much less honored. It's a simple concept to understand, but your name is Pogo. Gambling on the game as a skipper is much more egregious than using steroids, and there are steroid users who will never get it. Arod will never get in and his numbers are probably going to be more impressive than Rose's when it's all said and done.
What the fuck is your problem, shitstain? You've done nothing but attack me because I dare to think through a position you didn't think of. I've got as much right to an opinion as you, so EAT ME.
The numbers are the fucking numbers. Nothing changes them. And if the HoF doesn't recognize them, while it recognizes a ton of other numbers including from other far-less-than-pillars-of-society, then it's not a Hall of Fame, it's a hypocritical wank museum for the business of baseball and not the sport.
Keep him banned from association with MLB for the rest of his life, I don't care. But don't tell me he didn't put up the numbers he did, because that's flat out dishonest.
Now go fuck yourself in the ass with Pete Rose's bat from 1963. A broken one.
Ok maybe I've been a bit of an asshole, but in my defense I am an asshole.
I explained it to you three times
Yeah it is apples and oranges. Because in a proper analogy the CEO with the fraud would be equivalent to Rose throwing games or deliberately striking out.
You seem to think the gambling episodes are somehow related to the hits and the base steals and the runs.
It isn't. They're two entirely separate things.
No fair I just said you can't say it's apples to oranges! OK in all seriousness gambling on the sport may not be equivalent to throwing ballgames, but it's in the same fucking ballpark, no pun intended. No one is denying he had great stats, but his contributions to the game were diminished by his transgressions.
See, that's what I just said -- you think they're related. When the ball is hit, when the base is reached, when the run is scored ---- that's it. It's history. Done. Forever. Doesn't matter what you do later -- you did in the past what you did in the past.
Now if it was found that that ball was hit with the aid of some artificial substance without which it wouldn't have cleared the fence -- NOW you have a case to say the hit is tainted. NOW you can make a case that the guy doesn't belong in the Hall because his numbers aren't real.
Pete Rose's numbers are real. He got them because he worked for them. Hard.
I saw Rose play...he was the man....certainly one of my favorites growing up. His numbers are true...but his actions forfeited his right to contemporary praise. When he dies, it will be great to look back at all of his accomplishments and see him in the HOF...I will never forget him bowling over the catcher in an All-Star game are running full speed to first after a walk. I can see his hunched down stance and his compact swing right now.Not saying that steroids don't benefit the individual player...they get caught, they get punished for drug abuse. It's not like entire teams are taking steroids at the direction of the club...AND ON TOP OF THAT...cold medicine can make one test positive for steroids. And, even with steroids...if you can't already hit, throw or run, they aren't going to help you at all.A manager betting on games challenges the integrity of the game and MLB. Yeah...steroids, drugs and so on...they stain the game...but it does not threaten the integrity like gambling...an action that can affect the outcome of a game or a season...or even the odds of a game. Rose had insider knowledge and the ability to cheat for profit (yes, I know - he supposedly never bet against the Reds, but honestly...I think he did and that is why the punishment is so harsh). Mr. Hustle was a focused man who did everything to win...don't you think that quality would extend to gambling?
When he dies, reinstate him, admit him to the Hall of Fame...until then, let him suffer.
Are you shittin' me?
Steroids don't affect the outcome of a game?
Ever seen a baseball game?
Of course that is what they claimed. It is irrelevant either way....it is just common sense and basic ethics NOT to bet on your team...or bet on games within the organization in which you play.And btw nobody, including MLB, claimed he ever bet against his own team. Your dreaming up fantasies doesn't make them retroactive events.
Your argument consists of "it's probably true because I want it to be true". That's a complete fallacious failure.
If there were such evidence, MLB would have it.
And it's not plausible anyway for anyone who ever saw Rose play. There was no more intense competitor. He's probably not even capable of throwing a game.
