Planned Parenthood caught trafficking in human body parts

[sakinago]

These people should be closed down and locked up

Absolutely. CMP is an unethical and needs to be investigated for illegal activity.

What, exactly, do you think that they need to be investigated for?

Getting video of PP affiliates trying to sell tissue?

Abortion Providers Should Take Legal Action Against the Center for Medical Progress Here s Why

CMP videotaped the conversations with Dr. Deborah Nucatola and Dr. Mary Gatter while they were each engaged in private discussions in restaurants. Nucatola’s conversation took place in California; although the location of Gatter’s is as yet unknown, she lives and works in California, which suggests that her meeting was also in the state. This fact is incredibly important, because it’s very likely that CMP violated California’s two-party consent wiretapping law.

Amazing that they catch a rather disgusting and illegal act with an undercover camera from a MAJOR institution and you want to prosecute those that are doing the taping because it might put that institution in a bad light.

People like you make me sick and they are the core problem with the laws like the one you cite – you not only condone illegal activities but you want to ensure that they CANNOT BE EXPOSED AS WELL. IOW, you back over corruption.

They should be prosecuted for fraud and defamation because they cut the footage from the interview to make it appear that the doctor was talking about selling fetal body parts when she was talking about tissue donation.

The film, as released, is a total fraud and has been exposed as such.

Dragon lady,The only reason for cutting parts out of the film is bc sadly the attention span of the average American cannot handle the full 3 hour videos, which they release as well. Please go through and watch the full film, and show us the parts that are out of context.

Secondly in the first video she is talking about specific organs, like the liver witch apparently in high demand. Just bc you call it a fetus (Latin for infant) does not mean that it does not have functioning organs...organs that you are able to run tests on.

And thirdly in the second video they are saying they want the later term abortions, why bc they want organs, Not tissue, organs. Also can be called body parts

 

[JoeB131]

It is illegal to sell fetal tissue for profit. It sounds really really bad when you state you need a new lambo at the end of the financial discussion. i do not understand why she was so idiotic anyway - who negotiate a HIGHER price for themselves - that should have warned her to end the conversation there. Not only possibly negotiating illegal deals but also an idiot.

Since she hadn't sold anything and said that she'd have to research it, not so much.

 

[FA_Q2]

they catch a rather disgusting and illegal act with an undercover camera

Eating salad, drinking wine, and talking shop (unsettling for some people I know) with someone is not illegal. However taping a conversation without the other persons consent is illegal in California.

you not only condone illegal activities but

Still it is not illegal to donate tissue or for PP to act as a collection agent for research firms.

We already covered this - she is negotiating compensation for the donations and compensation is illegal for profit (a notion backed by here rather insensitive comments). Further it is illegal to change the procedure for the collection of said sample and she DIRECTLY points that out but then goes right on to say that she has no problem asking the doctor to do exactly that. Have you even bothered to watch the damn video?

The video doesn't prove Planned Parenthood is doing anything illegal.

No, it brings it to the light where it will be investigated.

You are not this dense blind – you are doing this on purpose.

 

[JoeB131]

Secondly in the first video she is talking about specific organs, like the liver witch apparently in high demand. Just bc you call it a fetus (Latin for infant) does not mean that it does not have functioning organs...organs that you are able to run tests on.

Hey, Corky, learn the difference between "witch" and "which".

Secondly, the organs aren't functioning. The fetus would die within minutes of being out of womb.

Third, Fetus is not Latin for "infant". It's Latin for "To bring forth"

Fetus Define Fetus at Dictionary.com

 

[JoeB131]

So explain exactly what part of the film is fraudulent? Explain how that works.

I'll wait.

The part where both of these doctors clearly say, "We aren't in the business of selling tissue".

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Well yea, you can't have people offing your own master race, they needed their superior soldiers for world domination. What was ok was euthinizing their mentally challenged for fiscal reasons. Why did we encourage 98% of abortions... For fiscal reasons. If socialism is in control the less people there are the more there is to go around for everyone else. And if your best logical arguments are made up of name calling, and anyone who opposes my view must be a retard, then yea I guess we're done talking

Yes, Corky, I can see why the thought of euthanizing retards horrifies you. But you're a retard and I was done talking to you pages ago.

Apparently not.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

they catch a rather disgusting and illegal act with an undercover camera

Eating salad, drinking wine, and talking shop (unsettling for some people I know) with someone is not illegal. However taping a conversation without the other persons consent is illegal in California.

you not only condone illegal activities but

Still it is not illegal to donate tissue or for PP to act as a collection agent for research firms.

We already covered this - she is negotiating compensation for the donations and compensation is illegal for profit (a notion backed by here rather insensitive comments). Further it is illegal to change the procedure for the collection of said sample and she DIRECTLY points that out but then goes right on to say that she has no problem asking the doctor to do exactly that. Have you even bothered to watch the damn video?

The video doesn't prove Planned Parenthood is doing anything illegal.

No, it brings it to the light where it will be investigated.

You are not this dense blind – you are doing this on purpose.

Yep.....does not need to be illegal.....just sound bad.

 

[Bobby1250]

I thought it was the evil Jews doing this...not good libs

It is.

 

[sakinago]

Secondly in the first video she is talking about specific organs, like the liver witch apparently in high demand. Just bc you call it a fetus (Latin for infant) does not mean that it does not have functioning organs...organs that you are able to run tests on.

Hey, Corky, learn the difference between "witch" and "which".

Secondly, the organs aren't functioning. The fetus would die within minutes of being out of womb.

Third, Fetus is not Latin for "infant". It's Latin for "To bring forth"

Fetus Define Fetus at Dictionary.com

Thought we were done talking but yes, to bring forth, also a term we know as offspring, aka infant. Sorry it doesn't fit your English way of thinking, but I don't think the ancient latins really cared about the different terms we call our young. Ancient Greeks loved the word we loosely translate as: to loose upon, but we don't seem to use it, ever hear of the phrase lost in translation? And if your going to reference something, make sure you read the whole thing, it even says offspring in there.

And a fetus at that age of gestation would die from lungs not having enough surfactant, or lubricant if you will, but their livers can still filter and their hearts can still pump, and their lungs can still respirate. But hey newborns don't have a fully developed immune system for a while so I guess they're just tissue.

 

[Faun]

I don't think that any laws were broken.

However, the bad press is probably the bigger story.

It's illegal to alter treatment to accommodate obtaining tissue to sell....and both pp butchers, nocatola and 'i wanna lamboughini' described doing just that.

To which law do you refer?

You know that she specifically states it is illegal in the video but is not averse to making the suggestion to the doctor, right?

Do you not know the specific law being violated?

42 U.S. Code 289g 2 - Prohibitions regarding human fetal tissue US Law LII Legal Information Institute

(a) Purchase of tissue
It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly acquire, receive, or otherwise transfer any human fetal tissue for valuable consideration if the transfer affects interstate commerce.

It is illegal to sell fetal tissue for profit. It sounds really really bad when you state you need a new lambo at the end of the financial discussion. i do not understand why she was so idiotic anyway - who negotiate a HIGHER price for themselves - that should have warned her to end the conversation there. Not only possibly negotiating illegal deals but also an idiot.

A) that law has absolutely jack shit to do with @koshergirl's complaint that the procedural methods of abortion were in violation of the law. That is the law I asked for.

B) Planned Parenthood was not acquiring valuable consideration, paying the women having abortions, or donating the organs to their relatives. So by that measure, they were not in violation of the law you posted.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

So explain exactly what part of the film is fraudulent? Explain how that works.

I'll wait.

The part where both of these doctors clearly say, "We aren't in the business of selling tissue".

I guess that's why they have been recorded negotiating a deal

 

[Faun]

So explain exactly what part of the film is fraudulent? Explain how that works.

I'll wait.

The part where both of these doctors clearly say, "We aren't in the business of selling tissue".

I guess that's why they have been recorded negotiating a deal

As she said in the video ... costs to cover their expenses. Also, the ones trying to make it for profit were CMP. The doctor, who said she hadn't discussed money in years, did not know offhand what the cost is. When she threw out a figure she made off the top of her head, it was CMP who tried to increase the price so they could show Planned Parenthood was profiting.

 

[sakinago]

So explain exactly what part of the film is fraudulent? Explain how that works.

I'll wait.

The part where both of these doctors clearly say, "We aren't in the business of selling tissue".

I guess that's why they have been recorded negotiating a deal

As she said in the video ... costs to cover their expenses. Also, the ones trying to make it for profit were CMP. The doctor, who said she hadn't discussed money in years, did not know offhand what the cost is. When she threw out a figure she made off the top of her head, it was CMP who tried to increase the price so they could show Planned Parenthood was profiting.

That's ridiculous for 2 reasons. One being that she should know what the cost of storage and transportation is, especially going into a business meeting. And she should have said that cost and told them to give nothing over that.

2. As I pointed out earlier she didn't want to begin NEGOTIATING the "cost" and was clearly worrying about selling herself short. She implied that the cost would for transportation, shipping, etc...just like a good drug dealer carefully choosing their words not to implicate themselves

 

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[JoeB131]

Thought we were done talking but yes, to bring forth, also a term we know as offspring, aka infant. Sorry it doesn't fit your English way of thinking, but I don't think the ancient latins really cared about the different terms we call our young.

Actually, The Romans performed abortions.

The Romans and Greeks weren't much concerned with protecting the unborn, and when they did object to abortion it was often because the father didn't want to be deprived of a child that he felt entitled to.

The early philosophers also argued that a foetus did not become formed and begin to live until at least 40 days after conception for a male, and around 80 days for a female. The philosopher Aristotle wrote:

...when couples have children in excess, let abortion be procured before sense and life have begun; what may or may not be lawfully done in these cases depends on the question of life and sensation.

Aristotle, Politics 7.16


BBC - Ethics - Abortion Historical attitudes to abortion

 

[Faun]

So explain exactly what part of the film is fraudulent? Explain how that works.

I'll wait.

The part where both of these doctors clearly say, "We aren't in the business of selling tissue".

I guess that's why they have been recorded negotiating a deal

As she said in the video ... costs to cover their expenses. Also, the ones trying to make it for profit were CMP. The doctor, who said she hadn't discussed money in years, did not know offhand what the cost is. When she threw out a figure she made off the top of her head, it was CMP who tried to increase the price so they could show Planned Parenthood was profiting.

That's ridiculous for 2 reasons. One being that she should know what the cost of storage and transportation is, especially going into a business meeting. And she should have said that cost and told them to give nothing over that.

2. As I pointed out earlier she didn't want to begin NEGOTIATING the "cost" and was clearly worrying about selling herself short. She implied that the cost would for transportation, shipping, etc...just like a good drug dealer carefully choosing their words not to implicate themselves

She doesn't necessarily need to know the costs -- she said it had been "years" since discussing such things. And your impression she was holding out negotiating to avoid lowballing doesn't hold up to her stated position that she didn't know what the costs would be. She was even asking what they normally pay because she clearly didn't know what the going rate is. And after she made up a number anyway, it was CMP trying to raise the amount, not her.

Face it, there's nothing there. at $75-$100, they're covering their expenses. Based on those [highly edited] videos, I'll be surprised if anything even comes of this.

 

[koshergrl]

"Planned Parenthood’s senior director of medical services talks about “less crunchy technique” for keeping body parts intact during a partial-birth abortion. When negotiating about fetal tissue, she says the price, “has to be big enough that it’s worthwhile for me,” at one point explaining “I want a Lamborghini.”
Don t Want to Lowball Baby Parts Another Planned Parenthood Official on Tape National Review Online

 

[koshergrl]

"Gatter was nonchalant when suggesting she could ask surgeons to use certain abortion procedures that could keep the aborted baby “intact.” For instance, while a typical “suction” procedure would be insufficient, the TPAS (manual vacuum aspirator) option is “less crunchy,” requires less suction and would produce more “whole” specimens. She admitted using this procedure would violate their agreement with patients that they are totally upfront about the care they are getting, but said she wouldn’t “object” to asking her surgeons to do so anyway.
“So yeah, I’m not making a fuss about that.”

I Want a Lamborghini Planned Parenthood Employee Laughs While Negotiating Sale of Fetal Body Parts - Cortney O Brien

 

[Vigilante]

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

So explain exactly what part of the film is fraudulent? Explain how that works.

I'll wait.

The part where both of these doctors clearly say, "We aren't in the business of selling tissue".

I guess that's why they have been recorded negotiating a deal

As she said in the video ... costs to cover their expenses. Also, the ones trying to make it for profit were CMP. The doctor, who said she hadn't discussed money in years, did not know offhand what the cost is. When she threw out a figure she made off the top of her head, it was CMP who tried to increase the price so they could show Planned Parenthood was profiting.

That's ridiculous for 2 reasons. One being that she should know what the cost of storage and transportation is, especially going into a business meeting. And she should have said that cost and told them to give nothing over that.

2. As I pointed out earlier she didn't want to begin NEGOTIATING the "cost" and was clearly worrying about selling herself short. She implied that the cost would for transportation, shipping, etc...just like a good drug dealer carefully choosing their words not to implicate themselves

She doesn't necessarily need to know the costs -- she said it had been "years" since discussing such things. And your impression she was holding out negotiating to avoid lowballing doesn't hold up to her stated position that she didn't know what the costs would be. She was even asking what they normally pay because she clearly didn't know what the going rate is. And after she made up a number anyway, it was CMP trying to raise the amount, not her.

Face it, there's nothing there. at $75-$100, they're covering their expenses. Based on those [highly edited] videos, I'll be surprised if anything even comes of this.

Although the comment about wanting a new Lamborghini was partially in jest it was also partially not. There's no doubt dickering and bargaining was going on as in the latest video the PP doctor starts negotiations by asking for an opening offer.
No one does that unless they are haggling over a deal.