Planned parenthood to open mega clinic in Illinois a responses to restrictive abortion laws in MIsso

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[theHawk]

Planned Parenthood to open "mega-clinic" in Illinois, a response to restrictive abortion laws in Missouri [Exclusive] - CBS News
After over a year of secret construction, Planned Parenthood announced its newest abortion facility on Wednesday: an 18,000-square-foot mega-clinic in southern Illinois. The new location is just 13 miles away from Missouri's last remaining abortion clinic, a facility in St. Louis fighting to keep its license.





It's not a secret any more lmfao...... hopefully a big quake happens and it collapses . This is prob. part of Obama's great library unndercover lol.

Fascists love their temples of death. It’s sacred to them.

Nazis would be proud of them.

 

[theHawk]

Straw man. Since when do we ever claim that children’s lives don’t matter?

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

ne'eh.............. either you are pro life or you're pro birth.

That's how the zealots and extremists want to see things anyway. Every state has laws that allow for abortion but most of them, if not all, call for abortion within a reasonable window of time before the fetus becomes too developed.
Sorry. Move to another nation if you don't like it.

there is no compromise... either force her to give birth or allow her to make the decision herself whether to terminate a pregnancy.

you don't get to make allowances for the circumstances that define that particular group of cells over the person with the uterus making allowances that you don't agree with.

Our abortion laws don't work that way, freakazoid.
The things you are claiming can't happen are exactly all the things that do happen in every state in the union.
You are a riot!

 

[playtime]

Straw man. Since when do we ever claim that children’s lives don’t matter?

well certainly when they are brown...

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[playtime]

ne'eh.............. either you are pro life or you're pro birth.

That's how the zealots and extremists want to see things anyway. Every state has laws that allow for abortion but most of them, if not all, call for abortion within a reasonable window of time before the fetus becomes too developed.
Sorry. Move to another nation if you don't like it.

there is no compromise... either force her to give birth or allow her to make the decision herself whether to terminate a pregnancy.

you don't get to make allowances for the circumstances that define that particular group of cells over the person with the uterus making allowances that you don't agree with.

Our abortion laws don't work that way, freakazoid.
The things you are claiming can't happen are exactly all the things that do happen in every state in the union.
You are a riot!

uh-huh. the ONLY reason why some laws protecting a females' right to her own autonomy is because of some very wise judges blocking the efforts of the extremist christian taliban. for them thar pro birthers - there is no compromise... no room for allowances in case of rape & incest & they won't stop until roe v wade is completely overturned; so save your silly attempts to explain how that protection isn't being eroded by the day.

 

[j-mac]

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Nonsense. I am definitely not "admitting that abortion is a contraceptive measure."

But, according to Guttmacher, (Your prefered source)

"the main reasons women cited for ending pregnancies were the same in both: Having a baby would dramatically interfere with their education, work or ability to care for their dependents, or they could not afford a baby at the time."

"Among the structured survey respondents, the two most common reasons were "having a baby would dramatically change my life" and "I can't afford a baby now"

"Women also cited possible problems affecting the health of the fetus or concerns about their own health (13% and 12%, respectively).‡"

Reasons U.S. Women Have Abortions: Quantitative and Qualitative Perspectives

That would place 87% to 88% of women seeking abortion, doing so for convenience reasons, or contraceptive if you will....It's just a fact.

It is a back-up measure only.

Back up for convenience....doesn't it make you think just a little that that so many lives are being killed in the womb because the mother for what ever reason, decides that the baby must be killed?

Now start explaining why you idiots are so against using preventive technology to reduce the incidence of unwanted pregnancies

1. I didn't call you names so what the hell is your problem...I don't think you're an 'idiot' for advocating the killing of defenseless babies in the womb, why would you try to label me one for disagreeing that that stance? How about you calm down and discuss this rationally?

2. Are you calling abortion 'preventive'? Because it isn't.

Why do you want to increase the incidence of abortion?

No, I think that should be obvious.

Where did you come up with the bizarre idea that women would rather undergo an abortion than use contraceptive technology to prevent the experience in the first place?

I read the study from your own prefered source on the matter...And I never said that they'd rather have an abortion, that is you constructing strawmen....

This is really dumb.

I agree...That is usually the case when one of the debators tries using less than honest tactics like ad hom, and strawmen....Might I suggest you cease that behavior?

You sound very anti-heterosexual. What have you got against us? News for youse: there are a lot of heterosexuals on the planet.

LOL...That's a bizzare leap you took there...Believe me when I say I am quite secure in my hetrosexual existence....I could just as easily as you what you have against unborn children? Are you mad that you were born a woman? Or just one of these people that can't support your own positions, so you find it easier to just attack your opponent personally?

 

[j-mac]

not if sex ed & accessible contraception were available nationwide. & if it does result in a pregnancy ---- that still doesn't mean a female should be shackled & forced to carry to term.

Number of abortions in US falls to lowest since 1973
By DAVID CRARYSeptember 18, 2019
[...]
Guttmacher is the only entity that strives to count all abortions in the U.S., making inquiries of individual providers. Federal data compiled by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention excludes California, Maryland and New Hampshire.

The new report illustrates that abortions are decreasing in all parts of the country, whether in Republican-controlled states seeking to restrict abortion access or in Democratic-run states protecting abortion rights. Between 2011 and 2017, abortion rates increased in only five states and the District of Columbia.

One reason for the decline in abortions is that fewer women are becoming pregnant. The Guttmacher Institute noted that the birth rate, as well as the abortion rate, declined during the years covered by the new report. A likely factor, the report said, is increased accessibility of contraception since 2011, as the Affordable Care Act required most private health insurance plans to cover contraceptives without out-of-pocket costs.
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Guttmacher noted that almost 400 state laws restricting abortion access were enacted between 2011 and 2017, but it said these laws were not the main force behind the overall decline in abortions. It said 57% of the nationwide decline occurred in the 18 states, plus the District of Columbia, that did not enact any new restrictions.

Between 2011 and 2017, the number of clinics providing abortion in the U.S. declined from 839 to 808, with significant regional disparities, the report said. The South had a decline of 50 clinics, including 25 in Texas, and the Midwest had a decline of 33 clinics, including nine each in Iowa, Michigan and Ohio. By contrast, the Northeast added 59 clinics, mostly in New Jersey and New York.

Over that period, the abortion rate dropped in Ohio by 27% and in Texas by 30%, but the rate dropped by similar amounts in states that protected abortion access, including California, Hawaii and New Hampshire.
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Number of abortions in US falls to lowest since 1973

Guttmacher (a pro abortion institution) also notes that upwards of 95% of abortions in the United States are for contraceptive reasons...

Look, killing babies for contraceptive reasons is just plain wrong. People make mistakes in their lives all the time, but the thing that makes us, or at least used to make us head and shoulders above the rest of the world, is that we valued life above all else, even when the decisions taken that created that life were lapses in judgement by the parents of that child.

We are losing that moral foundation.

Guttmacher is neither a "pro abortion" nor an "anti-abortion" institution.

Will one of you anti-abortion fanatics start explaining why the anti-choicers are so against having affordable and accessible preventive birth control available to those who want it? This is never explained anywhere, yet these people appear to want more abortions rather than less. They must be motivated by some weird reason or another. It appears that they are more anti-heterosexual than actually "pro life."

Guttmacher is absolutely pro choice....You may not like that but it is a fact.

Are you admitting that abortion is a contraceptive measure?

Nonsense. I am definitely not "admitting that abortion is a contraceptive measure." It is a back-up measure only. Now start explaining why you idiots are so against using preventive technology to reduce the incidence of unwanted pregnancies, which, as you know, lead to abortions. Why do you want to increase the incidence of abortion? Where did you come up with the bizarre idea that women would rather undergo an abortion than use contraceptive technology to prevent the experience in the first place? This is really dumb.

You sound very anti-heterosexual. What have you got against us? News for youse: there are a lot of heterosexuals on the planet.

99.9+ % Of abortions are due to a bad life choices... fact

And the most innocent party in the abortion pays the ultimate price…

I wouldn't put it that high....Guttmacher itself says about 87% to 88%....Still point taken.

 

[dblack]

It bugs the hell out of the fascists, that liberty still exists in some areas.

Good.

This is why they won't stop with state prohibition. They won't rest until it's federal law, or we kick them to the curb first.

 

[j-mac]

Either you're beyond stupid or you don't know the meaning of words in the English language.

Pro tip: I, and most rational people stop reading your post after an opening like this.....Dumb ass.

 

[j-mac]

Ok, wasn't sure, that's why I asked...But with that cleared up, were you unaware that the act of sex is likely to end up in creating another life?

not if sex ed & accessible contraception were available nationwide. & if it does result in a pregnancy ---- that still doesn't mean a female should be shackled & forced to carry to term.

Number of abortions in US falls to lowest since 1973
By DAVID CRARYSeptember 18, 2019
[...]
Guttmacher is the only entity that strives to count all abortions in the U.S., making inquiries of individual providers. Federal data compiled by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention excludes California, Maryland and New Hampshire.

The new report illustrates that abortions are decreasing in all parts of the country, whether in Republican-controlled states seeking to restrict abortion access or in Democratic-run states protecting abortion rights. Between 2011 and 2017, abortion rates increased in only five states and the District of Columbia.

One reason for the decline in abortions is that fewer women are becoming pregnant. The Guttmacher Institute noted that the birth rate, as well as the abortion rate, declined during the years covered by the new report. A likely factor, the report said, is increased accessibility of contraception since 2011, as the Affordable Care Act required most private health insurance plans to cover contraceptives without out-of-pocket costs.
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Guttmacher noted that almost 400 state laws restricting abortion access were enacted between 2011 and 2017, but it said these laws were not the main force behind the overall decline in abortions. It said 57% of the nationwide decline occurred in the 18 states, plus the District of Columbia, that did not enact any new restrictions.

Between 2011 and 2017, the number of clinics providing abortion in the U.S. declined from 839 to 808, with significant regional disparities, the report said. The South had a decline of 50 clinics, including 25 in Texas, and the Midwest had a decline of 33 clinics, including nine each in Iowa, Michigan and Ohio. By contrast, the Northeast added 59 clinics, mostly in New Jersey and New York.

Over that period, the abortion rate dropped in Ohio by 27% and in Texas by 30%, but the rate dropped by similar amounts in states that protected abortion access, including California, Hawaii and New Hampshire.
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Number of abortions in US falls to lowest since 1973

Guttmacher (a pro abortion institution) also notes that upwards of 95% of abortions in the United States are for contraceptive reasons...

Look, killing babies for contraceptive reasons is just plain wrong. People make mistakes in their lives all the time, but the thing that makes us, or at least used to make us head and shoulders above the rest of the world, is that we valued life above all else, even when the decisions taken that created that life were lapses in judgement by the parents of that child.

We are losing that moral foundation.

Guttmacher is neither a "pro abortion" nor an "anti-abortion" institution.

Will one of you anti-abortion fanatics start explaining why the anti-choicers are so against having affordable and accessible preventive birth control available to those who want it? This is never explained anywhere, yet these people appear to want more abortions rather than less. They must be motivated by some weird reason or another. It appears that they are more anti-heterosexual than actually "pro life."

Guttmacher is absolutely pro choice....You may not like that but it is a fact.

Are you admitting that abortion is a contraceptive measure?

pro choice is not pro abortion. nobody is pro abortion.

Oh sure they/you are....You're just not honest enough to admit it...

 

[Moonglow]

Either you're beyond stupid or you don't know the meaning of words in the English language.

Pro tip: I, and most rational people stop reading your post after an opening like this.....Dumb ass.

I and most people never have abortions....You are yet again whining about a very small percentage of the population..Yet you care not for the kids after birth since you claim that free education and healthcare for them is socialist and evil.

 

[playtime]

not if sex ed & accessible contraception were available nationwide. & if it does result in a pregnancy ---- that still doesn't mean a female should be shackled & forced to carry to term.

Number of abortions in US falls to lowest since 1973
By DAVID CRARYSeptember 18, 2019
[...]
Guttmacher is the only entity that strives to count all abortions in the U.S., making inquiries of individual providers. Federal data compiled by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention excludes California, Maryland and New Hampshire.

The new report illustrates that abortions are decreasing in all parts of the country, whether in Republican-controlled states seeking to restrict abortion access or in Democratic-run states protecting abortion rights. Between 2011 and 2017, abortion rates increased in only five states and the District of Columbia.

One reason for the decline in abortions is that fewer women are becoming pregnant. The Guttmacher Institute noted that the birth rate, as well as the abortion rate, declined during the years covered by the new report. A likely factor, the report said, is increased accessibility of contraception since 2011, as the Affordable Care Act required most private health insurance plans to cover contraceptives without out-of-pocket costs.
[...]
Guttmacher noted that almost 400 state laws restricting abortion access were enacted between 2011 and 2017, but it said these laws were not the main force behind the overall decline in abortions. It said 57% of the nationwide decline occurred in the 18 states, plus the District of Columbia, that did not enact any new restrictions.

Between 2011 and 2017, the number of clinics providing abortion in the U.S. declined from 839 to 808, with significant regional disparities, the report said. The South had a decline of 50 clinics, including 25 in Texas, and the Midwest had a decline of 33 clinics, including nine each in Iowa, Michigan and Ohio. By contrast, the Northeast added 59 clinics, mostly in New Jersey and New York.

Over that period, the abortion rate dropped in Ohio by 27% and in Texas by 30%, but the rate dropped by similar amounts in states that protected abortion access, including California, Hawaii and New Hampshire.
[...]
Number of abortions in US falls to lowest since 1973

Guttmacher (a pro abortion institution) also notes that upwards of 95% of abortions in the United States are for contraceptive reasons...

Look, killing babies for contraceptive reasons is just plain wrong. People make mistakes in their lives all the time, but the thing that makes us, or at least used to make us head and shoulders above the rest of the world, is that we valued life above all else, even when the decisions taken that created that life were lapses in judgement by the parents of that child.

We are losing that moral foundation.

Guttmacher is neither a "pro abortion" nor an "anti-abortion" institution.

Will one of you anti-abortion fanatics start explaining why the anti-choicers are so against having affordable and accessible preventive birth control available to those who want it? This is never explained anywhere, yet these people appear to want more abortions rather than less. They must be motivated by some weird reason or another. It appears that they are more anti-heterosexual than actually "pro life."

Guttmacher is absolutely pro choice....You may not like that but it is a fact.

Are you admitting that abortion is a contraceptive measure?

pro choice is not pro abortion. nobody is pro abortion.

Oh sure they/you are....You're just not honest enough to admit it...

nobody is pro abortion. i am not pro abortion. i am pro choice. if you don't want or believe in abortion, then don't have one. name one case where a female is forced to have one against her will.

go ahead, i'll wait.

 

[j-mac]

Either you're beyond stupid or you don't know the meaning of words in the English language.

Pro tip: I, and most rational people stop reading your post after an opening like this.....Dumb ass.

I and most people never have abortions....You are yet again whining about a very small percentage of the population..

Nope, you're wrong again Moon....

• In 2017, approximately 18% of U.S. pregnancies (excluding spontaneous miscarriages) ended in abortion.1
• According to the United Nations' 2013 report, only nine countries in the world have a higher reported abortion rate than the United States. They are: Bulgaria, Cuba, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Romania, Russia, Sweden, and Ukraine.*

• In 2017, approximately 18% of U.S. pregnancies (excluding spontaneous miscarriages) ended in abortion.1
• According to the United Nations' 2013 report, only nine countries in the world have a higher reported abortion rate than the United States. They are: Bulgaria, Cuba, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Romania, Russia, Sweden, and Ukraine.*

U.S. Abortion Statistics

Guttmacher places abortion rates for women between the ages of 18 and 24 at 24%....I wouldn't consider that a "small percentage.

Yet you care not for the kids after birth since you claim that free education and healthcare for them is socialist and evil.

It is faulty logic to say that because there are problems with other parts of society concerning children, that it should be perfectly fine to kill them in the womb...That's just callous, and cold...Have you no compassion for the least able to defend themselves?

 

[j-mac]

Guttmacher (a pro abortion institution) also notes that upwards of 95% of abortions in the United States are for contraceptive reasons...

Look, killing babies for contraceptive reasons is just plain wrong. People make mistakes in their lives all the time, but the thing that makes us, or at least used to make us head and shoulders above the rest of the world, is that we valued life above all else, even when the decisions taken that created that life were lapses in judgement by the parents of that child.

We are losing that moral foundation.

Guttmacher is neither a "pro abortion" nor an "anti-abortion" institution.

Will one of you anti-abortion fanatics start explaining why the anti-choicers are so against having affordable and accessible preventive birth control available to those who want it? This is never explained anywhere, yet these people appear to want more abortions rather than less. They must be motivated by some weird reason or another. It appears that they are more anti-heterosexual than actually "pro life."

Guttmacher is absolutely pro choice....You may not like that but it is a fact.

Are you admitting that abortion is a contraceptive measure?

pro choice is not pro abortion. nobody is pro abortion.

Oh sure they/you are....You're just not honest enough to admit it...

nobody is pro abortion. i am not pro abortion. i am pro choice. if you don't want or believe in abortion, then don't have one. name one case where a female is forced to have one against her will.

go ahead, i'll wait.

Non sequtir....I care not what you have to call it to yourself so that you don't have to face what you advocate for....That's your problem to face...And since I never said that anyone was forced to have an abortion against their will, or even elluded to such, your prose is a strawman....Try again, and do better.

 

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Guttmacher is neither a "pro abortion" nor an "anti-abortion" institution.

Will one of you anti-abortion fanatics start explaining why the anti-choicers are so against having affordable and accessible preventive birth control available to those who want it? This is never explained anywhere, yet these people appear to want more abortions rather than less. They must be motivated by some weird reason or another. It appears that they are more anti-heterosexual than actually "pro life."

Guttmacher is absolutely pro choice....You may not like that but it is a fact.

Are you admitting that abortion is a contraceptive measure?

pro choice is not pro abortion. nobody is pro abortion.

Oh sure they/you are....You're just not honest enough to admit it...

nobody is pro abortion. i am not pro abortion. i am pro choice. if you don't want or believe in abortion, then don't have one. name one case where a female is forced to have one against her will.

go ahead, i'll wait.

Non sequtir....I care not what you have to call it to yourself so that you don't have to face what you advocate for....That's your problem to face...And since I never said that anyone was forced to have an abortion against their will, or even elluded to such, your prose is a strawman....Try again, and do better.

^ what all pro birthers spew.

 

[j-mac]

Guttmacher is absolutely pro choice....You may not like that but it is a fact.

Are you admitting that abortion is a contraceptive measure?

pro choice is not pro abortion. nobody is pro abortion.

Oh sure they/you are....You're just not honest enough to admit it...

nobody is pro abortion. i am not pro abortion. i am pro choice. if you don't want or believe in abortion, then don't have one. name one case where a female is forced to have one against her will.

go ahead, i'll wait.

Non sequtir....I care not what you have to call it to yourself so that you don't have to face what you advocate for....That's your problem to face...And since I never said that anyone was forced to have an abortion against their will, or even elluded to such, your prose is a strawman....Try again, and do better.

^ what all pro birthers spew.

"Pro birthers" eh? Hmmmm, is that supposed to be a bad thing?

 

[LuckyDuck]

Planned Parenthood to open "mega-clinic" in Illinois, a response to restrictive abortion laws in Missouri [Exclusive] - CBS News
After over a year of secret construction, Planned Parenthood announced its newest abortion facility on Wednesday: an 18,000-square-foot mega-clinic in southern Illinois. The new location is just 13 miles away from Missouri's last remaining abortion clinic, a facility in St. Louis fighting to keep its license.





It's not a secret any more lmfao...... hopefully a big quake happens and it collapses . This is prob. part of Obama's great library unndercover lol.

As long as they are aborting the fetuses of leftist voters, perhaps we should be thinking it's a good thing.

 

[playtime]

pro choice is not pro abortion. nobody is pro abortion.

Oh sure they/you are....You're just not honest enough to admit it...

nobody is pro abortion. i am not pro abortion. i am pro choice. if you don't want or believe in abortion, then don't have one. name one case where a female is forced to have one against her will.

go ahead, i'll wait.

Non sequtir....I care not what you have to call it to yourself so that you don't have to face what you advocate for....That's your problem to face...And since I never said that anyone was forced to have an abortion against their will, or even elluded to such, your prose is a strawman....Try again, and do better.

^ what all pro birthers spew.

"Pro birthers" eh? Hmmmm, is that supposed to be a bad thing?

it is when all you are concerned with is the birth & once that cord is cut - then the kid & his mama are on their own. no help with food, clothing, medical care, housing or education. why that would raise taxes; & money is all that really matters.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

uh-huh. the ONLY reason why some laws protecting a females' right to her own autonomy is because of some very wise judges blocking the efforts of the extremist christian taliban. for them thar pro birthers - there is no compromise... no room for allowances in case of rape & incest & they won't stop until roe v wade is completely overturned; so save your silly attempts to explain how that protection isn't being eroded by the day.

I get it....you didn't have any points to make. You just want to rant on some more like a skid row lunatic with a microphone and cardboard sign.

The Taliban you speak of however wants to save lives. Not end them.
Maybe it's you and your friends that sell off dismembered aborted children who are the real Taliban here.
You are the people who murder and cut off heads.