Police Training Sucks

[Polishprince]

So cops need to be trained not to beat people to death?....

I would hope that anyone who is hired as a cop would have got into enough fights to know exactly that already.

 

[g5000]

So cops need to be trained not to beat people to death?....

Yes.

There should be one officer giving commands. An officer who has had a LOT of training.

 

[g5000]

I was thinking more about recruiting police officers from the ranks of retired boxers and wrestlers, those who could have been a contender.

Tough fellows who aren't going to shy away from a fight.

The problem is that police departments hire too many broads who end up having to use deadly force instead of being able to pound miscreants without pulling out a firearm.

None of the cops who killed George Floyd or Tyre Nichols were female.

 

[Rocko]

Is better training going to stop cops from beating a suspect to death? These offers that are guilty of beating that man to death didn’t do so because of training or lack there of.

 

[g5000]

I was thinking more about recruiting police officers from the ranks of retired boxers and wrestlers, those who could have been a contender.

That last thing we need to do is give a gun to a punch drunk loser.

 

[Confederate Soldier]

Multiply that by how many thousands of these loose cannons we have running around the country waiving badges.

The overwhelming majority are fine and honorable people.

 

[Lord Long Rod]

Police training on firearms certainly sucks. How many times do we see news articles where first responders fire a shit ton of rounds without dropping the perp? They need to be taught better marksmanship.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Professionalize the police

An obvious major reform needs more attention than it's getting.

noahpinion.substack.com

If you want to cut hair and paint fingernails, you need 2,000 hours more training than a cop.

Is a bad haircut more dangerous than giving a gun and a badge to a seriously under-trained high school graduate? I don't think so!



BLAM!BLAM!BLAM! HALT, POLICE!

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We definitely need more cops:

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But just as importantly, maybe even more importantly, we need a lot more training for our cops:

The training should include the demilitarization of former military.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

We journey now to San Francisco, the MAGA media's favorite pinata:

Can This Black, Latina, Progressive, Pro-Police DA Turn San Francisco Around?

A conversation with Brooke Jenkins about drug dealers, judges, and reforms that don’t fit on a bumper sticker.

www.thebulwark.com

All of these issues roiling our politics intersect with Brooke Jenkins’s life story and her work.

I wanted to find out how she planned to gather her experiences into a unified vision for her office, how she thinks law enforcement might help fix a broken city and protect the rights of its citizens no matter where the threats came from.

[snip]

When I asked her what she would do if I gave her a magic wand that grants one wish that would help make her job easier and disrupt a broken system, the answer caught even me off guard.

“Right now, honestly, we need more police,” she said. (On tape, I can be heard involuntarily blurting “wow” at this statement, which is so bracingly anathema to online left-wing pieties).

[snip]

"I hate to even say that; I don’t want to see us become a police state. I’ve never been somebody who, you know, as a young person would’ve ever thought I would be saying something like that. . . . But the only way that we can effectively tackle this problem is if we have police stationed where they need to be to make arrests. . . . For drug dealing it takes sometimes four, five, six [cops] to do a single operation, and we’re understaffed by six hundred officers. . . . [Police] presence often serves as a deterrent, right? . . . Unfortunately, we’re at a point now where it seems that that’s the type of deterrence we need. And honestly, when I’m around the city, it’s the type of deterrence that most people are asking for."

Uh... okay

 

[Billiejeens]

71 Commands in 13 Minutes: Officers Gave Tyre Nichols Impossible Orders​

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The footage begins with a police officer driving up to the intersection where Mr. Nichols’s car had been boxed in by two unmarked police vehicles.

The officer jumps out with his firearm drawn and joins a pair of officers rushing toward the front seat.

One officer pulls Mr. Nichols out of his car, and all three officers immediately start screaming “On the ground!”

These are the first orders in the bombardment of confusing commands that confound Mr. Nichols and prompt a cascade of retribution.

Mr. Nichols points out that he is sitting on the ground, as the officers instructed him to do.

But multiple officers shout the same command over and over with intensifying frustration and physical threats.


“Get on the ground!” one orders. “I’m gonna tase your ass.”

It eventually becomes evident that the officers would like Mr. Nichols not only on the ground but also lying down.

When Mr. Nichols repositions himself, it appears to further antagonize the officers. He tries to convey that he poses no threat.

“You guys are really doing a lot right now,” he says. “I’m just trying to go home.”

With officers pinning down his arms, pressing a taser against his leg and barking intensifying verbal threats, Mr. Nichols explodes: “I am on the ground!”

Finally, one of the officers yells more specific instructions: “On your stomach.”

Three seconds later, one of the officers shoots pepper spray into Mr. Nichols’s face.

[snip]

Then a third officer runs up with a can of pepper spray.

“You’re about to get sprayed good,” he says. The others start punching Mr. Nichols’s face.

Mr. Nichols responds by pulling his hands back to protect himself. The punching intensifies, and the pepper spray is fired.

Wiping the pepper spray from his eyes, Mr. Nichols tries assuring them that he is going to comply.

“OK,” he says. “All right. All right.”

But just as one of the officers gets hold of him, a new officer arrives and also demands that Mr. Nichols give him his hands. Again, Mr. Nichols is unable to follow the conflicting directions. He flails about, which only multiplies the police officers’ commands and the physical punishment they inflict. He is doused with pepper spray for a third time.

Two officers stand above Mr. Nichols, who is lying on his side and rubbing his eyes after being pepper-sprayed three times. An officer kicks Mr. Nichols in the face. Mr. Nichols appears to be barely conscious or coherent, but officers treat him as if he is resisting orders.

“Lay flat, goddamn it,” one officer commands.

Mr. Nichols moans and writhes on the ground. By this point, he has been tased, kicked in the head twice and punched and pepper-sprayed repeatedly.

“Lay flat,” another officer shouts.

Mr. Nichols is lying limp as an officer, without any apparent difficulty, snaps a pair of handcuffs to one of his wrists.

Officers continue to issue commands while simultaneously constraining, controlling and beating Mr. Nichols in ways that render it physically impossible for him to follow those commands.

One officer uses Mr. Nichols’s handcuffed arm to pull his body from the ground and into a kneeling position. Then another officer strikes him with a baton three times, yelling “Give us your hands!”

Surrounded by four officers, he tries to move away from the baton.

“Give me your fucking hands!” one officer shouts.

But Mr. Nichols — with one officer pinning his arms behind his back, another gripping his handcuffed wrist and a third punching his face — cannot comply.

Mr. Nichols doubles over and calls out for his mother. The blows continue.

On the ground means

On your stomach face down spread eagle.

Outside of the hood it is easily understood.

 

[occupied]

Yeah, we need social workers not police officers, huh? Any volunteers to go out on a domestic disturbance call?

Policing in a city is a very dangerous job. I don't blame cops for their actions, I blame criminals for not following commands.

Cops that start with belligerence and then escalate the situation trying to gain control are the problem.

 

[g5000]

The training should include the demilitarization of former military.

Yeah, that's a post 9/11 thing. Small towns with tanks. WTF?

 

[miketx]

Professionalize the police

An obvious major reform needs more attention than it's getting.

noahpinion.substack.com

If you want to cut hair and paint fingernails, you need 2,000 hours more training than a cop.

Is a bad haircut more dangerous than giving a gun and a badge to a seriously under-trained high school graduate? I don't think so!



BLAM!BLAM!BLAM! HALT, POLICE!

[


We definitely need more cops:

[

But just as importantly, maybe even more importantly, we need a lot more training for our cops:

71 Commands in 13 Minutes: Officers Gave Tyre Nichols Impossible Orders​

​

The footage begins with a police officer driving up to the intersection where Mr. Nichols’s car had been boxed in by two unmarked police vehicles.

The officer jumps out with his firearm drawn and joins a pair of officers rushing toward the front seat.

One officer pulls Mr. Nichols out of his car, and all three officers immediately start screaming “On the ground!”

These are the first orders in the bombardment of confusing commands that confound Mr. Nichols and prompt a cascade of retribution.

Mr. Nichols points out that he is sitting on the ground, as the officers instructed him to do.

But multiple officers shout the same command over and over with intensifying frustration and physical threats.


“Get on the ground!” one orders. “I’m gonna tase your ass.”

It eventually becomes evident that the officers would like Mr. Nichols not only on the ground but also lying down.

When Mr. Nichols repositions himself, it appears to further antagonize the officers. He tries to convey that he poses no threat.

“You guys are really doing a lot right now,” he says. “I’m just trying to go home.”

With officers pinning down his arms, pressing a taser against his leg and barking intensifying verbal threats, Mr. Nichols explodes: “I am on the ground!”

Finally, one of the officers yells more specific instructions: “On your stomach.”

Three seconds later, one of the officers shoots pepper spray into Mr. Nichols’s face.

[snip]

Then a third officer runs up with a can of pepper spray.

“You’re about to get sprayed good,” he says. The others start punching Mr. Nichols’s face.

Mr. Nichols responds by pulling his hands back to protect himself. The punching intensifies, and the pepper spray is fired.

Wiping the pepper spray from his eyes, Mr. Nichols tries assuring them that he is going to comply.

“OK,” he says. “All right. All right.”

But just as one of the officers gets hold of him, a new officer arrives and also demands that Mr. Nichols give him his hands. Again, Mr. Nichols is unable to follow the conflicting directions. He flails about, which only multiplies the police officers’ commands and the physical punishment they inflict. He is doused with pepper spray for a third time.

Two officers stand above Mr. Nichols, who is lying on his side and rubbing his eyes after being pepper-sprayed three times. An officer kicks Mr. Nichols in the face. Mr. Nichols appears to be barely conscious or coherent, but officers treat him as if he is resisting orders.

“Lay flat, goddamn it,” one officer commands.

Mr. Nichols moans and writhes on the ground. By this point, he has been tased, kicked in the head twice and punched and pepper-sprayed repeatedly.

“Lay flat,” another officer shouts.

Mr. Nichols is lying limp as an officer, without any apparent difficulty, snaps a pair of handcuffs to one of his wrists.

Officers continue to issue commands while simultaneously constraining, controlling and beating Mr. Nichols in ways that render it physically impossible for him to follow those commands.

One officer uses Mr. Nichols’s handcuffed arm to pull his body from the ground and into a kneeling position. Then another officer strikes him with a baton three times, yelling “Give us your hands!”

Surrounded by four officers, he tries to move away from the baton.

“Give me your fucking hands!” one officer shouts.

But Mr. Nichols — with one officer pinning his arms behind his back, another gripping his handcuffed wrist and a third punching his face — cannot comply.

Mr. Nichols doubles over and calls out for his mother. The blows continue.

There should have been ONE officer giving commands in the situation with Tyre Nichols.

Actually, it isn't that simple. Your Neanderthal attitude only confirms the exact nature of the problem we have with policing.

We have more than enough former schoolyard bullies seeking automatic respect and obedience.

Most cops are "very fine people".

However, as the command duty officer, I was involved with the military police frequently. On one occasion, we had a hostage situation, and one of the cops got himself worked up into such a frenzy I made him stay in the car.

Cops are placed under a great deal of stress every single day. It is not an easy job. They are spit on, cursed at, punched, stabbed, shot. Every one of these is a possibility on every call.

A great deal of training is necessary to better prepare them for any situation.

And too often, our police are called out for what are medical emergencies. I call 9-1-1 one time for a man who was having a psychotic break and asked for an ambulance. They sent cops instead, and the cops blew the guy off. Their exact words were that they knew a guy who injected himself with his own piss, and this guy was not as bad.

He later ended up attacking a teenager. THEN they sent an ambulance for the kid.

And they arrested the mentally ill guy.

Multiply that by how many thousands of these loose cannons we have running around the country waiving badges.

We journey now to San Francisco, the MAGA media's favorite pinata:

Can This Black, Latina, Progressive, Pro-Police DA Turn San Francisco Around?

A conversation with Brooke Jenkins about drug dealers, judges, and reforms that don’t fit on a bumper sticker.

www.thebulwark.com

All of these issues roiling our politics intersect with Brooke Jenkins’s life story and her work.

I wanted to find out how she planned to gather her experiences into a unified vision for her office, how she thinks law enforcement might help fix a broken city and protect the rights of its citizens no matter where the threats came from.

[snip]

When I asked her what she would do if I gave her a magic wand that grants one wish that would help make her job easier and disrupt a broken system, the answer caught even me off guard.

“Right now, honestly, we need more police,” she said. (On tape, I can be heard involuntarily blurting “wow” at this statement, which is so bracingly anathema to online left-wing pieties).

[snip]

"I hate to even say that; I don’t want to see us become a police state. I’ve never been somebody who, you know, as a young person would’ve ever thought I would be saying something like that. . . . But the only way that we can effectively tackle this problem is if we have police stationed where they need to be to make arrests. . . . For drug dealing it takes sometimes four, five, six [cops] to do a single operation, and we’re understaffed by six hundred officers. . . . [Police] presence often serves as a deterrent, right? . . . Unfortunately, we’re at a point now where it seems that that’s the type of deterrence we need. And honestly, when I’m around the city, it’s the type of deterrence that most people are asking for."

I went on a bazillion domestic disturbance calls when I was on active duty. Every time I jumped into my vehicle, I asked God to make the fucking abuser take a swing at me.

But invariably, the abuser was as meek as a kitten by the time we arrived. Their anger and energy was spent.

It was the abused spouse you had to watch out for. Every single time, without exception, they begged us not to arrest their abusive spouse. I had a woman with a grapefruit-sized swelling on her face, and fingermark welts on her throat crying and begging us not to take her husband away.

These are very sick relationships.

Yes.

There should be one officer giving commands. An officer who has had a LOT of training.

None of the cops who killed George Floyd or Tyre Nichols were female.

These hate filled vermin never stop with their America last BS. The only reason these scum want the police removed is to institute a federal police that will end up being just like the Schutzstaffel.

 

[g5000]

Cops that start with belligerence and then escalate the situation trying to gain control are the problem.

 

[Lord Long Rod]

The overwhelming majority are fine and honorable people.

Agree 100%. But just so Marc the Racist knows, if there WERE 1,000s of gun-wielding fanatical cops running around in the urban areas of America hunting certain people, then why is violent crime on the rise?

 

[g5000]

Is better training going to stop cops from beating a suspect to death? These offers that are guilty of beating that man to death didn’t do so because of training or lack there of.

Actually, a lack of training did contribute. They were all giving contradictory orders.

Training would have prevented that. Only one officer should have been giving commands to the kid.

And you can see by the charts I provided that countries with a lot more training have a lot less people killed by their police.

 

[g5000]

Agree 100%. But just so Marc the Racist knows, if there WERE 1,000s of gun-wielding fanatical cops running around in the urban areas of America hunting certain people, then why is violent crime on the rise?

The opioid crisis has contributed to the rise in violent crime. As has poverty induced by the pandemic.

If we can reduce poverty and drug abuse, we would see a drastic reduction in crime.

Wall Street traders would still be robbing us all blind, though.

 

[Ralph Norton]

Police training on firearms certainly sucks. How many times do we see news articles where first responders fire a shit ton of rounds without dropping the perp? They need to be taught better marksmanship.

Marksmanship is relatively easy on the range and most cops are very good at it.
When someone is moving/ shooting at you it is slightly more complicated.

 

[marvin martian]

I went on a bazillion domestic disturbance calls when I was on active duty. Every time I jumped into my vehicle, I asked God to make the fucking abuser take a swing at me.

But invariably, the abuser was as meek as a kitten by the time we arrived. Their anger and energy was spent.

It was the abused spouse you had to watch out for. Every single time, without exception, they begged us not to arrest their abusive spouse. I had a woman with a grapefruit-sized swelling on her face, and fingermark welts on her throat crying and begging us not to take her husband away.

These are very sick relationships.

It's the same relationships DemoKKKrats have with their party.

 

[g5000]

Marksmanship is relatively easy on the range and most cops are very good at it.
When someone is moving/ shooting at you it is slightly more complicated.

If a perp is running away, the cop should be asking himself if the risk of firing a hail of stray bullets or killing the runner is a proper response to speeding.