POLL: Does the other side of the issues at least have reasonable points?

[Mac1958]

Just another example of how nutters on both ends get defensive & pissy over perfectly benign questions.

This stuff just solidifies my opinion that they know, at some level, how dishonest, tribal & unreasonable they are.

 

[g5000]

I don't have a side any more. I hate both parties equally now. I was a Republican since birth, but finally had to give it up when the tard herd elected a completely corrupt, bigoted, evil, thoroughly stupid, fraud.

Sadly, I cannot think of anything reasonable which has come out of either party for a very long time. They are both the party of trillion dollar deficits, they are both servants to the special interests who own them at the expense of everyone in America.

The Democrats believe the solution to everything is to tax the rich more. The Republicans believe the solution to everything is to give the rich more tax breaks.

They are both wrong.

In the immortal words of Mercutio, "A plague on both your houses!"

 

[Mac1958]

No offense to Mac at all, but everyone should realize he really is not a moderate, he is just not as far Left as Bernard.

A lot of folks here are intellectually paralyzed by their binary thought processes.

So, if you're not from their tribe, you can only belong to other tribe.

No amount of information can change that kind of thinking.
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[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Trying to communicate with people like you is like trying to communicate with a wild-eyed jihadist or a protest sign-holding Westboro Baptist Church member picketing the funeral of a fallen soldier. A waste of time. You're a curiosity only for me. Your behaviors are fascinating. Your opinions are worthless.

Just in case you wanna know why nobody takes you leftards seriously:

Mail order bride owning extroverted buttholes? Agree

Another good example.
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Another example of what..............LOL

That we no longer see Reasoning with the Dems anymore.........given what they have become...............

No.............reasoning with people who weaponized our Gov't against people that disagree with them........the Kav BS show..........Impeachment Joke.............

No Reasoning with them at all..................We HAVE NO REASON TO...............

So if you are gonna play act like you are in the middle.......which you try to say you do..........I suggest you fucking DUCK............We ARE DONE BEING NICE ANYMORE..............

Scary stuff. Wingers are about as threatening as a bag full of goldfish.

Yep, you get flushed.

 

[eagle1462010]

The point being you ALMOST ALWAYS DO IT TO TARGET TRUMP.

Trump is a NATIONALIST.........and actually believes in both sides of the equation.........whether you like it or not...........but ultimately he is a business man........and what creates better business for this country he has pushed..................Mostly with DEREGULATION............which kills jobs....

Our jobs for the average Joe are DOING VERY WELL..................

Bloomberg flips for the same reason...........in the end it will all be about MONEY.......and he doesn't care which party does that for him................

Doesn't matter..............Dems have lost this thing unless they pull a majic Rabbit out of a hat..........they are LOSING VOTERS.......

I agree with most of what you say except for the fact Trump is a populist, not a nationalist. Trump wants to be cheered and loved, he cares about that far more than he cares about the country.

I only care that he tries to keep his promises........and he has tried..............Done VERY WELL...............

In the end..........at election day...........are you better off now than 4 years ago....................We are..........he wins.............and in the meantime long term Dems are jumping ship from that party from what they are now offered.........

 

[HappyJoy]

Just another example of how nutters on both ends get defensive & pissy over perfectly benign questions.

This stuff just solidifies my opinion that they know, at some level, how dishonest, tribal & unreasonable they are.

Just asking questions back at you regarding your past actions. What's wrong with that?

 

[g5000]

Another good example.
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Another example of what..............LOL

That we no longer see Reasoning with the Dems anymore.........given what they have become...............

No.............reasoning with people who weaponized our Gov't against people that disagree with them........the Kav BS show..........Impeachment Joke.............

No Reasoning with them at all..................We HAVE NO REASON TO...............

So if you are gonna play act like you are in the middle.......which you try to say you do..........I suggest you fucking DUCK............We ARE DONE BEING NICE ANYMORE..............

Never once claimed to be in the middle. Not once. Ever. Never.

Just another one of the fantasies you guys keep hanging on to.
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You try to claim being moderate all the time................then LABEL EVERYONE in TRIBES.....trying to downplay what the Dems have become.........

You know it.........we know it.......and the people in this country know it............The Desperation in the current Dem debates shows it..............You are now having trouble rigging the election again with the Bern.........Bloomberg has already spent 500 million with no reasonable results....

It's Funny to watch the implosion.

Both parties have imploded. The Left is becoming more socialist, while the Republican party has become the party of trillion dollar deficits, cronyism, porn star mistresses, serial adultery, and corruption.

If you don't address mandatory spending the deficits will continue to grow..................That sure as hell doesn't mean adding what the Dem Candidates are spewing now.......it is the unfunded liabilities that CANNOT BE PAID.........................IT IS IMPOSSIBLE....

We are on a roller coaster ride to hell.....it is only a matter of when...............They will not address it ......and it will cause a Global Reset one day...........when...........whenever the Globalist decide it.

Actually, the solution to deficits is extremely simple. But neither party has the guts to do it. In fact, they work very hard to keep you from seeing the answer because it would destroy their death grip on power.

The solution is to eliminate the annual $1.4 trillion in tax expenditures.

That would level the playing field, eliminate the deficit, create a surplus, enable tax cuts for EVERYONE, and reform campaign spending. All in one go.

 

[SAYIT]

The point being you ALMOST ALWAYS DO IT TO TARGET TRUMP.

Trump is a NATIONALIST.........and actually believes in both sides of the equation.........whether you like it or not...........but ultimately he is a business man........and what creates better business for this country he has pushed..................Mostly with DEREGULATION............which kills jobs....

Our jobs for the average Joe are DOING VERY WELL..................

Bloomberg flips for the same reason...........in the end it will all be about MONEY.......and he doesn't care which party does that for him................

Doesn't matter..............Dems have lost this thing unless they pull a majic Rabbit out of a hat..........they are LOSING VOTERS.......

I agree with most of what you say except for the fact Trump is a populist, not a nationalist. Trump wants to be cheered and loved, he cares about that far more than he cares about the country.

Cow manure. It only looks that way through the Pelosi Prism. "Aaaarrrgh!!! Impeach!!!"

 

[IM2]

Pretty straightforward question here. As our political rhetoric becomes more binary and divided, I wonder how many of us believe that the other side of issues AT LEAST make SOME reasonable, understandable points when they argue their side. At least on the major issues confronting us.

Thoughts?
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There are more than just two sides in this matter and that's been the problem in your assessment. You need to consider all sides. Draconian suggestions on any side is not going to provide the right answer.

 

[Blackrook]

What Mac is trying to do is stake out a middle position, but he has no ground to stand on. There is no middle position that makes any sense between killing 60 million unborn babies and NOT killing 60 million unborn babies. I am giving that as an example because abortion is the issue I care most about. Maybe Mac would say, "We should kill 30 million unborn babies."

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I only care that he tries to keep his promises........and he has tried..............Done VERY WELL...............

In the end..........at election day...........are you better off now than 4 years ago....................We are..........he wins.............and in the meantime long term Dems are jumping ship from that party from what they are now offered.........

I was better off in 2016 than I was in 2012 and I was better off in 2012 than I was in 2008 than I was in 2008 and I was better off in 2008 than I was in 2004 and I was better off in 2004 than I was in 2000 and so on....

None of it ever had to do with who was sitting in the White House.

Why do you always give the government so much control over your life?

 

[Mac1958]

Just another example of how nutters on both ends get defensive & pissy over perfectly benign questions.
This stuff just solidifies my opinion that they know, at some level, how dishonest, tribal & unreasonable they are.

Just asking questions back at you regarding your past actions. What's wrong with that?

Nothing, in fact it illustrates my point for me: Instead of just thoughtfully addressing the thread, you go after me personally instead.

Better yet, I'm (as usual) getting it from both ends here.

You folks do love proving my points for me, and I appreciate that.
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[g5000]

The point being you ALMOST ALWAYS DO IT TO TARGET TRUMP.

Trump is a NATIONALIST.........and actually believes in both sides of the equation.........whether you like it or not...........but ultimately he is a business man........and what creates better business for this country he has pushed..................Mostly with DEREGULATION............which kills jobs....

Our jobs for the average Joe are DOING VERY WELL..................

Bloomberg flips for the same reason...........in the end it will all be about MONEY.......and he doesn't care which party does that for him................

Doesn't matter..............Dems have lost this thing unless they pull a majic Rabbit out of a hat..........they are LOSING VOTERS.......

I agree with most of what you say except for the fact Trump is a populist, not a nationalist. Trump wants to be cheered and loved, he cares about that far more than he cares about the country.

I only care that he tries to keep his promises........and he has tried..............Done VERY WELL...............

In the end..........at election day...........are you better off now than 4 years ago....................We are..........he wins.............and in the meantime long term Dems are jumping ship from that party from what they are now offered.........

Trump has not kept the most important promises. He has done very poorly.

No repeal and replacement of Obamacare. He never had a replacement. He lied. He lied when he said, "You are going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost and it will be so easy!" As a result, health care costs continue to skyrocket.

Trump has not reduced the deficit. In fact, he has doubled it. He lied when he said he would pay off the debt in eight years.

The debt is by far the greatest threat to the future of our republic.

Trump has not produced 4 to 6 percent GDP growth. He lied out of his fat ass about that, too.

And he has lied about transparency. Totally lied about that.

And not only has he failed to drain the swamp, he has enlarged it tremendously.

 

[HappyJoy]

What Mac is trying to do is stake out a middle position, but he has no ground to stand on. There is no middle position that makes any sense between killing 60 million unborn babies and NOT killing 60 million unborn babies. I am giving that as an example because abortion is the issue I care most about. Maybe Mac would say, "We should kill 30 million unborn babies."

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We got quotas, buddy.

 

[Mac1958]

Pretty straightforward question here. As our political rhetoric becomes more binary and divided, I wonder how many of us believe that the other side of issues AT LEAST make SOME reasonable, understandable points when they argue their side. At least on the major issues confronting us.

Thoughts?
.

There are more than just two sides in this matter and that's been the problem in your assessment. You need to consider all sides. Draconian suggestions on any side is not going to provide the right answer.

Of course, there are often several sides. Agreed.
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[Harpy Eagle]

The point being you ALMOST ALWAYS DO IT TO TARGET TRUMP.

Trump is a NATIONALIST.........and actually believes in both sides of the equation.........whether you like it or not...........but ultimately he is a business man........and what creates better business for this country he has pushed..................Mostly with DEREGULATION............which kills jobs....

Our jobs for the average Joe are DOING VERY WELL..................

Bloomberg flips for the same reason...........in the end it will all be about MONEY.......and he doesn't care which party does that for him................

Doesn't matter..............Dems have lost this thing unless they pull a majic Rabbit out of a hat..........they are LOSING VOTERS.......

I agree with most of what you say except for the fact Trump is a populist, not a nationalist. Trump wants to be cheered and loved, he cares about that far more than he cares about the country.

Cow manure. It only looks that way through the Pelosi Prism. "Aaaarrrgh!!! Impeach!!!"

I was am still am 100% against the impeachment.

 

[HappyJoy]

Just another example of how nutters on both ends get defensive & pissy over perfectly benign questions.
This stuff just solidifies my opinion that they know, at some level, how dishonest, tribal & unreasonable they are.

Just asking questions back at you regarding your past actions. What's wrong with that?

Nothing, in fact it illustrates my point for me: Instead of just thoughtfully addressing the thread, you go after me personally instead.

Better yet, I'm (as usual) getting it from both ends here.

You folks do love proving my points for me, and I appreciate that.
.

Oh, Ok. jumping to the victim stage so quickly. What in my question did you think was incorrect?

 

[Mac1958]

Just another example of how nutters on both ends get defensive & pissy over perfectly benign questions.
This stuff just solidifies my opinion that they know, at some level, how dishonest, tribal & unreasonable they are.

Just asking questions back at you regarding your past actions. What's wrong with that?

Nothing, in fact it illustrates my point for me: Instead of just thoughtfully addressing the thread, you go after me personally instead.

Better yet, I'm (as usual) getting it from both ends here.

You folks do love proving my points for me, and I appreciate that.
.

Oh, Ok. jumping to the victim stage so quickly. What in my question did you think was incorrect?

Gawd. I don't know, I don't care.
.

 

[eagle1462010]

Another example of what..............LOL

That we no longer see Reasoning with the Dems anymore.........given what they have become...............

No.............reasoning with people who weaponized our Gov't against people that disagree with them........the Kav BS show..........Impeachment Joke.............

No Reasoning with them at all..................We HAVE NO REASON TO...............

So if you are gonna play act like you are in the middle.......which you try to say you do..........I suggest you fucking DUCK............We ARE DONE BEING NICE ANYMORE..............

Never once claimed to be in the middle. Not once. Ever. Never.

Just another one of the fantasies you guys keep hanging on to.
.

You try to claim being moderate all the time................then LABEL EVERYONE in TRIBES.....trying to downplay what the Dems have become.........

You know it.........we know it.......and the people in this country know it............The Desperation in the current Dem debates shows it..............You are now having trouble rigging the election again with the Bern.........Bloomberg has already spent 500 million with no reasonable results....

It's Funny to watch the implosion.

Both parties have imploded. The Left is becoming more socialist, while the Republican party has become the party of trillion dollar deficits, cronyism, porn star mistresses, serial adultery, and corruption.

If you don't address mandatory spending the deficits will continue to grow..................That sure as hell doesn't mean adding what the Dem Candidates are spewing now.......it is the unfunded liabilities that CANNOT BE PAID.........................IT IS IMPOSSIBLE....

We are on a roller coaster ride to hell.....it is only a matter of when...............They will not address it ......and it will cause a Global Reset one day...........when...........whenever the Globalist decide it.

Actually, the solution to deficits is extremely simple. But neither party has the guts to do it. In fact, they work very hard to keep you from seeing the answer because it would destroy their death grip on power.

The solution is to eliminate the annual $1.4 trillion in tax expenditures.

That would level the playing field, eliminate the deficit, create a surplus, enable tax cuts for EVERYONE, and reform campaign spending. All in one go.

I have heard that time and time again.............But the amount of coming Liabilities is MASSIVE........

Ending credits and getting out of the Wars would do a lot............Hell just on tax credits alone would be over 200 billion a year...........but that will not stop the coming liabilities..........

Not to mention the interest on the debt which is growing every single year........it will soon overtake the amount we spend on our military.............

 

[SAYIT]

Just another example of how nutters on both ends get defensive & pissy over perfectly benign questions.

This stuff just solidifies my opinion that they know, at some level, how dishonest, tribal & unreasonable they are.

Please STOP whining, Mac. Every freakin' thread you start becomes a high horse from which you whine. Just STOP.

Sheesh.