POLL: Does the other side of the issues at least have reasonable points?

[IM2]

You try to claim being moderate all the time................then LABEL EVERYONE in TRIBES.....trying to downplay what the Dems have become.........

You know it.........we know it.......and the people in this country know it............The Desperation in the current Dem debates shows it..............You are now having trouble rigging the election again with the Bern.........Bloomberg has already spent 500 million with no reasonable results....

It's Funny to watch the implosion.

Both parties have imploded. The Left is becoming more socialist, while the Republican party has become the party of trillion dollar deficits, cronyism, porn star mistresses, serial adultery, and corruption.

If you don't address mandatory spending the deficits will continue to grow..................That sure as hell doesn't mean adding what the Dem Candidates are spewing now.......it is the unfunded liabilities that CANNOT BE PAID.........................IT IS IMPOSSIBLE....

We are on a roller coaster ride to hell.....it is only a matter of when...............They will not address it ......and it will cause a Global Reset one day...........when...........whenever the Globalist decide it.

Actually, the solution to deficits is extremely simple. But neither party has the guts to do it. In fact, they work very hard to keep you from seeing the answer because it would destroy their death grip on power.

The solution is to eliminate the annual $1.4 trillion in tax expenditures.

That would level the playing field, eliminate the deficit, create a surplus, enable tax cuts for EVERYONE, and reform campaign spending. All in one go.

I have heard that time and time again.............But the amount of coming Liabilities is MASSIVE........

Ending credits and getting out of the Wars would do a lot............Hell just on tax credits alone would be over 200 billion a year...........but that will not stop the coming liabilities..........

Not to mention the interest on the debt which is growing every single year........it will soon overtake the amount we spend on our military.............

Well, the second reform I always advocate, after repealing tax expenditures, is to raise the Social Security and Medicare eligibility ages to 70, and index that age to 9 percent of the population going forward.

We are living longer than our ancestors, we should be working longer. Common sense.

5.4 percent of the US population was over 65 when SS was enacted.

9 percent was over 65 percent when Medicare was enacted.

Today, 15 percent are over 65.

That is an unsustainable trend.

Social security is money taken out of our checks. If 15 percent today are over 65, then that 15 percent probably have worked the 40 quarters required to get the money taken out of their checks for social security back.

 

[Mac1958]

If you don't address mandatory spending the deficits will continue to grow..................That sure as hell doesn't mean adding what the Dem Candidates are spewing now.......it is the unfunded liabilities that CANNOT BE PAID.........................IT IS IMPOSSIBLE....

We are on a roller coaster ride to hell.....it is only a matter of when...............They will not address it ......and it will cause a Global Reset one day...........when...........whenever the Globalist decide it.

Actually, the solution to deficits is extremely simple. But neither party has the guts to do it. In fact, they work very hard to keep you from seeing the answer because it would destroy their death grip on power.

The solution is to eliminate the annual $1.4 trillion in tax expenditures.

That would level the playing field, eliminate the deficit, create a surplus, enable tax cuts for EVERYONE, and reform campaign spending. All in one go.

I have heard that time and time again.............But the amount of coming Liabilities is MASSIVE........

Ending credits and getting out of the Wars would do a lot............Hell just on tax credits alone would be over 200 billion a year...........but that will not stop the coming liabilities..........

Not to mention the interest on the debt which is growing every single year........it will soon overtake the amount we spend on our military.............

Well, the second reform I always advocate, after repealing tax expenditures, is to raise the Social Security and Medicare eligibility ages to 70, and index that age to 9 percent of the population going forward.

We are living longer than our ancestors, we should be working longer. Common sense.

That'll have to be part of the fix, no doubt about it.

When John Boehner floated a balloon with that idea, he was crucified.

That's what happens to reasonable people and reasonable ideas in today's toxic political environment.

For some reason, the American people have an appetite for maniacs like Trump and Sanders these days.

Yeah. I think they're a symptom of something being seriously wrong.
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[g5000]

Actually, the solution to deficits is extremely simple. But neither party has the guts to do it. In fact, they work very hard to keep you from seeing the answer because it would destroy their death grip on power.

The solution is to eliminate the annual $1.4 trillion in tax expenditures.

That would level the playing field, eliminate the deficit, create a surplus, enable tax cuts for EVERYONE, and reform campaign spending. All in one go.

I have heard that time and time again.............But the amount of coming Liabilities is MASSIVE........

Ending credits and getting out of the Wars would do a lot............Hell just on tax credits alone would be over 200 billion a year...........but that will not stop the coming liabilities..........

Not to mention the interest on the debt which is growing every single year........it will soon overtake the amount we spend on our military.............

Well, the second reform I always advocate, after repealing tax expenditures, is to raise the Social Security and Medicare eligibility ages to 70, and index that age to 9 percent of the population going forward.

We are living longer than our ancestors, we should be working longer. Common sense.

That'll have to be part of the fix, no doubt about it.

When John Boehner floated a balloon with that idea, he was crucified.

That's what happens to reasonable people and reasonable ideas in today's toxic political environment.

For some reason, the American people have an appetite for maniacs like Trump and Sanders these days.

Yeah. I think they're a symptom of something being seriously wrong.
.

That's because something IS seriously wrong.

It is human nature to turn to maniacs in times of duress. Demagogues always know when their time has come and they press it to full advantage.

 

[imawhosure]

No offense to Mac at all, but everyone should realize he really is not a moderate, he is just not as far Left as Bernard.

A lot of folks here are intellectually paralyzed by their binary thought processes.

So, if you're not from their tribe, you can only belong to other tribe.

No amount of information can change that kind of thinking.
.

Just another example of how nutters on both ends get defensive & pissy over perfectly benign questions.

This stuff just solidifies my opinion that they know, at some level, how dishonest, tribal & unreasonable they are.

Just asking questions back at you regarding your past actions. What's wrong with that?

What Mac is trying to do is stake out a middle position, but he has no ground to stand on. There is no middle position that makes any sense between killing 60 million unborn babies and NOT killing 60 million unborn babies. I am giving that as an example because abortion is the issue I care most about. Maybe Mac would say, "We should kill 30 million unborn babies."

Let me interject this about Mac to my Con friends, and to the Democrats on here who appear to me to be not my friends, lol.

If we believe Mac to be what he says he is as far as his working life; meaning belonging to the financial sector....then we may not like his take on things as far as the Con side, but at least the man has INTEGRITY!

Call Mac anything you want, disagree with him all you want, but MAC is NOT stupid. He knows the further left the President who is elected is, the larger bath his sector of the economy is going to take, certainly losing him money.

In other words, unlike others on this board, he is putting his money where his mouth is!

Now I disagree with many of his takes, but at least I have respect for him being willing to lose from his decisions, meaning...……….we may think he is wrong, but at least we know he believes what he says, and is willing to suffer for it.

 

[eagle1462010]

I have heard that time and time again.............But the amount of coming Liabilities is MASSIVE........

Ending credits and getting out of the Wars would do a lot............Hell just on tax credits alone would be over 200 billion a year...........but that will not stop the coming liabilities..........

Not to mention the interest on the debt which is growing every single year........it will soon overtake the amount we spend on our military.............

Well, the second reform I always advocate, after repealing tax expenditures, is to raise the Social Security and Medicare eligibility ages to 70, and index that age to 9 percent of the population going forward.

We are living longer than our ancestors, we should be working longer. Common sense.

That'll have to be part of the fix, no doubt about it.

When John Boehner floated a balloon with that idea, he was crucified.

That's what happens to reasonable people and reasonable ideas in today's toxic political environment.

For some reason, the American people have an appetite for maniacs like Trump and Sanders these days.

It is POLITICAL SUICIDE to try it.............everyone knows it........so No one does it.

We get the politicians we deserve.

We get bought and paid for establishment types.........who have the money and the media in their hands.............

They control the show..............they control the system........and they reward themselves for it via their lobbyist and join the millionaires club............which is why those LYING under oath and to FISA COURTS.........don't get prosecuted.............

Those guilty of the Dems......have dirt on those guilty of it from the GOP............

They have sold us out.......both sides.........for their own power and Greed........just as other nations in the past have done.



The gold on the floor is the true message.

 

[IM2]

I have heard that time and time again.............But the amount of coming Liabilities is MASSIVE........

Ending credits and getting out of the Wars would do a lot............Hell just on tax credits alone would be over 200 billion a year...........but that will not stop the coming liabilities..........

Not to mention the interest on the debt which is growing every single year........it will soon overtake the amount we spend on our military.............

Well, the second reform I always advocate, after repealing tax expenditures, is to raise the Social Security and Medicare eligibility ages to 70, and index that age to 9 percent of the population going forward.

We are living longer than our ancestors, we should be working longer. Common sense.

That'll have to be part of the fix, no doubt about it.

When John Boehner floated a balloon with that idea, he was crucified.

That's what happens to reasonable people and reasonable ideas in today's toxic political environment.

For some reason, the American people have an appetite for maniacs like Trump and Sanders these days.

It is POLITICAL SUICIDE to try it.............everyone knows it........so No one does it.

We get the politicians we deserve.

We get the politicians we elect. So when you elect a majority of politicians that tell you the givernment is worthless and they go to Washington, we should not be surprised that government is not going to work efficiently if at all.

 

[g5000]

Both parties have imploded. The Left is becoming more socialist, while the Republican party has become the party of trillion dollar deficits, cronyism, porn star mistresses, serial adultery, and corruption.

If you don't address mandatory spending the deficits will continue to grow..................That sure as hell doesn't mean adding what the Dem Candidates are spewing now.......it is the unfunded liabilities that CANNOT BE PAID.........................IT IS IMPOSSIBLE....

We are on a roller coaster ride to hell.....it is only a matter of when...............They will not address it ......and it will cause a Global Reset one day...........when...........whenever the Globalist decide it.

Actually, the solution to deficits is extremely simple. But neither party has the guts to do it. In fact, they work very hard to keep you from seeing the answer because it would destroy their death grip on power.

The solution is to eliminate the annual $1.4 trillion in tax expenditures.

That would level the playing field, eliminate the deficit, create a surplus, enable tax cuts for EVERYONE, and reform campaign spending. All in one go.

I have heard that time and time again.............But the amount of coming Liabilities is MASSIVE........

Ending credits and getting out of the Wars would do a lot............Hell just on tax credits alone would be over 200 billion a year...........but that will not stop the coming liabilities..........

Not to mention the interest on the debt which is growing every single year........it will soon overtake the amount we spend on our military.............

Well, the second reform I always advocate, after repealing tax expenditures, is to raise the Social Security and Medicare eligibility ages to 70, and index that age to 9 percent of the population going forward.

We are living longer than our ancestors, we should be working longer. Common sense.

5.4 percent of the US population was over 65 when SS was enacted.

9 percent was over 65 percent when Medicare was enacted.

Today, 15 percent are over 65.

That is an unsustainable trend.

Social security is money taken out of our checks. If 15 percent today are over 65, then that 15 percent probably have worked the 40 quarters required to get the money taken out of their checks for social security back.

The amount set aside will not cover the ever increasing percentage of those drawing on the treasury.

A smaller and smaller percentage are paying in while a larger and larger percentage are drawing out.

Something has to give sooner or later.

 

[SAYIT]

Here's a problem, the Stock Market is falling fast. Maybe the solution to panic sales are to close the markets. Had that been ordered by the President, it would have been a proactive reaction to an emotional problem.

Incorrect. The markets have internal regs and triggers and require no gov't intervention. The stupid people who are selling at a loss in this will either buy back in at higher prices or kick themselves for missing this fabulous buying op. You know who is buying? The firms who know their bottom lines and fundamentals are on solid ground are buying their own stock. You know who is losing money? Whoosies and wienies.

 

[Blackrook]

No offense to Mac at all, but everyone should realize he really is not a moderate, he is just not as far Left as Bernard.

A lot of folks here are intellectually paralyzed by their binary thought processes.

So, if you're not from their tribe, you can only belong to other tribe.

No amount of information can change that kind of thinking.
.

Just another example of how nutters on both ends get defensive & pissy over perfectly benign questions.

This stuff just solidifies my opinion that they know, at some level, how dishonest, tribal & unreasonable they are.

Just asking questions back at you regarding your past actions. What's wrong with that?

What Mac is trying to do is stake out a middle position, but he has no ground to stand on. There is no middle position that makes any sense between killing 60 million unborn babies and NOT killing 60 million unborn babies. I am giving that as an example because abortion is the issue I care most about. Maybe Mac would say, "We should kill 30 million unborn babies."

Let me interject this about Mac to my Con friends, and to the Democrats on here who appear to me to be not my friends, lol.

If we believe Mac to be what he says he is as far as his working life; meaning belonging to the financial sector....then we may not like his take on things as far as the Con side, but at least the man has INTEGRITY!

Call Mac anything you want, disagree with him all you want, but MAC is NOT stupid. He knows the further left the President who is elected is, the larger bath his sector of the economy is going to take, certainly losing him money.

In other words, unlike others on this board, he is putting his money where his mouth is!

Now I disagree with many of his takes, but at least I have respect for him being willing to lose from his decisions, meaning...……….we may think he is wrong, but at least we know he believes what he says, and is willing to suffer for it.

Nice to know you're watching Mac's back, but he's a grown-up who can take care of himself.

 

[g5000]

Well, the second reform I always advocate, after repealing tax expenditures, is to raise the Social Security and Medicare eligibility ages to 70, and index that age to 9 percent of the population going forward.

We are living longer than our ancestors, we should be working longer. Common sense.

That'll have to be part of the fix, no doubt about it.

When John Boehner floated a balloon with that idea, he was crucified.

That's what happens to reasonable people and reasonable ideas in today's toxic political environment.

For some reason, the American people have an appetite for maniacs like Trump and Sanders these days.

It is POLITICAL SUICIDE to try it.............everyone knows it........so No one does it.

We get the politicians we deserve.

We get the politicians we elect. So when you elect a majority of politicians that tell you the givernment is worthless and they go to Washington, we should not be surprised that government is not going to work efficiently if at all.

The American motto is, "Gimme gimme gimme, and make that guy over there pay for it."

We demand cowardice from our politicians. We demand they give us cash and prizes and make someone else pay for it. Either the rich or people who aren't even born yet.

If a politician dares to say we should pay for services with our own money, he is lynched. Pronto.

Our politicians do exactly what we tell them to do.

We get the politicians we deserve.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

What Mac is trying to do is stake out a middle position, but he has no ground to stand on. There is no middle position that makes any sense between killing 60 million unborn babies and NOT killing 60 million unborn babies. I am giving that as an example because abortion is the issue I care most about. Maybe Mac would say, "We should kill 30 million unborn babies."

I can guarantee I certainly don't care about it as much as you do. You one-issue voters suck.

Name one issue that is even 1% as important as the fact that 60 million unborn babies have been aborted since 1973.

I rest my case. There's is no conversation nor debate to be had with a one-issue voter. None. You believe you're always right, and fuck anyone else. I don't bother with your type because your religious convictions overshadow any critical thought.

 

[imawhosure]

No offense to Mac at all, but everyone should realize he really is not a moderate, he is just not as far Left as Bernard.

A lot of folks here are intellectually paralyzed by their binary thought processes.

So, if you're not from their tribe, you can only belong to other tribe.

No amount of information can change that kind of thinking.
.

Just another example of how nutters on both ends get defensive & pissy over perfectly benign questions.

This stuff just solidifies my opinion that they know, at some level, how dishonest, tribal & unreasonable they are.

Just asking questions back at you regarding your past actions. What's wrong with that?

What Mac is trying to do is stake out a middle position, but he has no ground to stand on. There is no middle position that makes any sense between killing 60 million unborn babies and NOT killing 60 million unborn babies. I am giving that as an example because abortion is the issue I care most about. Maybe Mac would say, "We should kill 30 million unborn babies."

Let me interject this about Mac to my Con friends, and to the Democrats on here who appear to me to be not my friends, lol.

If we believe Mac to be what he says he is as far as his working life; meaning belonging to the financial sector....then we may not like his take on things as far as the Con side, but at least the man has INTEGRITY!

Call Mac anything you want, disagree with him all you want, but MAC is NOT stupid. He knows the further left the President who is elected is, the larger bath his sector of the economy is going to take, certainly losing him money.

In other words, unlike others on this board, he is putting his money where his mouth is!

Now I disagree with many of his takes, but at least I have respect for him being willing to lose from his decisions, meaning...……….we may think he is wrong, but at least we know he believes what he says, and is willing to suffer for it.

Nice to know you're watching Mac's back, but he's a grown-up who can take care of himself.

I am not watching his back, I am stating the obvious, he is not on welfare and fighting for his views to fleece us. He is fighting for his views, and willing to fleece himself, and us in the process, lol. But that is a different matter-)

 

[g5000]

We demand our politicians make other people pay higher taxes so we can get a tax break when we buy a house.

We demand our politicians punish you with higher taxes if you don't buy the right refrigerator or breed children.

We want tax CREDITS for breeding!

Those credits are paid for by higher tax rates on everyone, or else by stealing money from people who haven't even been born yet. It is basic math.

 

[Blackrook]

What Mac is trying to do is stake out a middle position, but he has no ground to stand on. There is no middle position that makes any sense between killing 60 million unborn babies and NOT killing 60 million unborn babies. I am giving that as an example because abortion is the issue I care most about. Maybe Mac would say, "We should kill 30 million unborn babies."

I can guarantee I certainly don't care about it as much as you do. You one-issue voters suck.

Name one issue that is even 1% as important as the fact that 60 million unborn babies have been aborted since 1973.

I rest my case. There's is no conversation nor debate to be had with a one-issue voter. None. You believe you're always right, and fuck anyone else. I don't bother with your type because your religious convictions overshadow any critical thought.

So you think that religious belief is the only reason to oppose the murder of 60 million human beings?

 

[Oddball]

A few reasonable points.....But the solutions are nearly always wrong,

Well now, I'm sure(?) that you will be able to explain the problems which are "reasonable points" and explain the solutions which are wrong.

Have at it, odd dude.

The "solutions" floated by you and your authoritarian statist brethren NEVER EVER involve getting The State out of peoples' faces.

Your only tool is gubmint and its use of coercive force, and your only "solution" is to expand the range of it's all-consuming iron fist.

Wrong answer first time, every time.

 

[eagle1462010]

That'll have to be part of the fix, no doubt about it.

When John Boehner floated a balloon with that idea, he was crucified.

That's what happens to reasonable people and reasonable ideas in today's toxic political environment.

For some reason, the American people have an appetite for maniacs like Trump and Sanders these days.

It is POLITICAL SUICIDE to try it.............everyone knows it........so No one does it.

We get the politicians we deserve.

We get the politicians we elect. So when you elect a majority of politicians that tell you the givernment is worthless and they go to Washington, we should not be surprised that government is not going to work efficiently if at all.

The American motto is, "Gimme gimme gimme, and make that guy over there pay for it."

We demand cowardice from our politicians. We demand they give us cash and prizes and make someone else pay for it. Either the rich or people who aren't even born yet.

If a politician dares to say we should pay for services with our own money, he is lynched. Pronto.

Our politicians do exactly what we tell them to do.

We get the politicians we deserve.

When we decided the Gov't to be the answer to anything we desired a long time ago we set our path on our destruction........................Using Tax payers money for officials to use as they so deem..........makes it easy to CORRUPT them for their own gain..............and leads us to what we have today.

The Founders gave the Gov't Enumerated powers for a reason...........when we left that path.....we screwed ourselves............and now NO ONE WILL DARE CHALLENGE IT...............so down the rabbit hole we go.........

 

[IM2]

If you don't address mandatory spending the deficits will continue to grow..................That sure as hell doesn't mean adding what the Dem Candidates are spewing now.......it is the unfunded liabilities that CANNOT BE PAID.........................IT IS IMPOSSIBLE....

We are on a roller coaster ride to hell.....it is only a matter of when...............They will not address it ......and it will cause a Global Reset one day...........when...........whenever the Globalist decide it.

Actually, the solution to deficits is extremely simple. But neither party has the guts to do it. In fact, they work very hard to keep you from seeing the answer because it would destroy their death grip on power.

The solution is to eliminate the annual $1.4 trillion in tax expenditures.

That would level the playing field, eliminate the deficit, create a surplus, enable tax cuts for EVERYONE, and reform campaign spending. All in one go.

I have heard that time and time again.............But the amount of coming Liabilities is MASSIVE........

Ending credits and getting out of the Wars would do a lot............Hell just on tax credits alone would be over 200 billion a year...........but that will not stop the coming liabilities..........

Not to mention the interest on the debt which is growing every single year........it will soon overtake the amount we spend on our military.............

Well, the second reform I always advocate, after repealing tax expenditures, is to raise the Social Security and Medicare eligibility ages to 70, and index that age to 9 percent of the population going forward.

We are living longer than our ancestors, we should be working longer. Common sense.

5.4 percent of the US population was over 65 when SS was enacted.

9 percent was over 65 percent when Medicare was enacted.

Today, 15 percent are over 65.

That is an unsustainable trend.

Social security is money taken out of our checks. If 15 percent today are over 65, then that 15 percent probably have worked the 40 quarters required to get the money taken out of their checks for social security back.

The amount set aside will not cover the ever increasing percentage of those drawing on the treasury.

A smaller and smaller percentage are paying in while a larger and larger percentage are drawing out.

Something has to give sooner or later.

All who work get social security taken out of their checks. Some people don't live long enough to get social security. It is not possible to have more people drawing out than is put in because you have to work to get the money and the money is taken from your paycheck and is not just something the government hands you.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

What Mac is trying to do is stake out a middle position, but he has no ground to stand on. There is no middle position that makes any sense between killing 60 million unborn babies and NOT killing 60 million unborn babies. I am giving that as an example because abortion is the issue I care most about. Maybe Mac would say, "We should kill 30 million unborn babies."

I can guarantee I certainly don't care about it as much as you do. You one-issue voters suck.

Name one issue that is even 1% as important as the fact that 60 million unborn babies have been aborted since 1973.

I rest my case. There's is no conversation nor debate to be had with a one-issue voter. None. You believe you're always right, and fuck anyone else. I don't bother with your type because your religious convictions overshadow any critical thought.

So you think that religious belief is the only reason to oppose the murder of 60 million human beings?

No, but it plays a huge part of it.

 

[g5000]

I hear so called conservatives complain the government is too big and gives away too many freebies.

But the second you suggest eliminating the mortgage interest deduction or child tax credits, they immediately transform into their inner welfare queen.

We are ALL guilty of sucking on the government tit at other people's expense, folks. Every last one of us.

 

[Mac1958]

No offense to Mac at all, but everyone should realize he really is not a moderate, he is just not as far Left as Bernard.

A lot of folks here are intellectually paralyzed by their binary thought processes.

So, if you're not from their tribe, you can only belong to other tribe.

No amount of information can change that kind of thinking.
.

Just another example of how nutters on both ends get defensive & pissy over perfectly benign questions.

This stuff just solidifies my opinion that they know, at some level, how dishonest, tribal & unreasonable they are.

Just asking questions back at you regarding your past actions. What's wrong with that?

What Mac is trying to do is stake out a middle position, but he has no ground to stand on. There is no middle position that makes any sense between killing 60 million unborn babies and NOT killing 60 million unborn babies. I am giving that as an example because abortion is the issue I care most about. Maybe Mac would say, "We should kill 30 million unborn babies."

Let me interject this about Mac to my Con friends, and to the Democrats on here who appear to me to be not my friends, lol.

If we believe Mac to be what he says he is as far as his working life; meaning belonging to the financial sector....then we may not like his take on things as far as the Con side, but at least the man has INTEGRITY!

Call Mac anything you want, disagree with him all you want, but MAC is NOT stupid. He knows the further left the President who is elected is, the larger bath his sector of the economy is going to take, certainly losing him money.

In other words, unlike others on this board, he is putting his money where his mouth is!

Now I disagree with many of his takes, but at least I have respect for him being willing to lose from his decisions, meaning...……….we may think he is wrong, but at least we know he believes what he says, and is willing to suffer for it.

Much appreciated. I just belch out whatever happens to be rattling around in my little brain at the moment.

The difference between me and many here, is that it's not constantly run through an ideological prism.
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