[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[Spiderman]

This is the basic lie of Marxism about business. Actually you make money by focusing on your customers, not ignoring them. No business is successful following your shallow caricature of business and no management consultant is successful telling them to focus on themselves and ignore their customers. Businesses are designed around our customer requirements, not in spit of them. I live it every day. You mime Marxist dogma which has been translated for your into modern prose by Democrats. What you are saying is the equivalent of saying that doctors prescribe leeches. You're a tool

You'll never find one word from me denying customer focus. You know that too, but had to find some excuse to call me Marxist.

Business is getting and maintaining customer focus by those that create and influence the products being sold.

When I finance my business, buy the materials and then pay my employees to produce products and services, why do they then still own what was produced? Why when they sold me their time, did I in fact pay them and get nothing out of the deal?

Do you have an answer other than quoting the Communist Manifesto or is that pretty much it?

People who work for others agree to trade their labor for dollars so the only "wealth" they create is the money they receive for the only commodity they sell; their labor.

And it seems to me that there are too many definitions of "wealth"

A product is not wealth, income is not wealth, net worth is wealth.

A laborer can steadily increase his net worth by saving or making more by becoming a more valuable laborer.

People who buy other people's labor are not forcing others to sell their labor to them.

 

[kaz]

let me try this again,

in regard to Republic and Democracy

See the picture? Those wealthy white males are called the founders. What they founded, all defined in a written document, was an aristocracy of wealthy white males, which was also a republic as they couldn't agree on royalty. They did the aristocracy thing because they believed themselves to be superior human beings.

But they did recognize that times change. So they allowed the governed to ammend their product.

We did over several wars and 200 years. We changed the aristocracy of wealthy white males to a democracy of everyone.

Is this a news to you?

I dont know whats happening to my picture posts...cant u just copy and paste???? And I saw my second attempt on the board when I posted it but now it dont seem to be there.

anyway PMZ I think u misread it. Wilson equated Republics and Democracys, and said they mean either voting directly on issues or indirectly thru representatives.

A democracy is direct voting, that's true, but a republic is not indirect voting. A republic is when the whole is comprised of relatively autonomous member states. As the US was designed to be. The Federal government had certain, enumerated powers, and the rest of the powers resided with the States (Republics) or the people.

What you are thinking of is a representative republic. Which is correct in terms of what the US is. The republics are represented by representatives, who they elect.

 

[PMZ]

Sounds like a Hitler speech. Was it?

What's sad comrade, is this really is the best you can do. Well, you didn't become a communist because you're the best and brightest....

Still, you ducked the central premise;

Comrade, your master claims that Republicans are rich and greedy, that they do not give the proletarians there "fair share."

Yet here you are aping the words that your master puts in your mouth that "everything they touch turns to shit." Can comrade Soros explain the contradiction of these claims?

JakeStarkey is a leftist who pretends to be conservative for the purpose of demeaning conservatism. Are you actually a con who seeks to make the leftists look bad through your little troll act?

Well Adolf, I don't know if a majority of Republicans are rich and greedy but many of them are. And many are dixiecrats angry at losing their slaves. And the failures of the Bush administration are legend and indisputable.

That Fox News is Republican propaganda is well known and the fact that you parrot it is a sure sign of your addiction and the ignorance to fall for it.

So I'm pretty much right on here.

 

[PMZ]

let me try this again,

in regard to Republic and Democracy

IF he said that, which I highly doubt, he was a complete moron.

Distinguish between "monarchy" and "aristocracy" as forms of government? This is idiocy, since both are in fact classes of the governmental system known as "feudalism."

Monarchy is rule by a monarch.

Aristocracy is rule by a minority who consider themselves superior human beings.

This is not rocket science.

 

[PMZ]

It's basic logic. Explain how the mere fact of your birth imposes any obligations on me.

"Basic logic" is like 'common' sense and 'they say' and 'supposed to'.

An explanation for the inexplicable that makes what you want or believe acceptable to others.

Some people fall for it regularly. Me, never.

I deliberately avoided using the term "common sense" because what the common people believe is so often dead wrong.

You avoided answering the question: How does the mere fact of your birth impose any obligations on me?

I was going to say because we're both human beings but I'm not sure about you.

Civilization is the realization that living cooperatively and collaboratively leads to progress and living competitively to chaos.

We're you raised by wolves?

 

[kaz]

Monarchy is rule by a monarch.

Aristocracy is rule by a minority who consider themselves superior human beings.

You mean like Obama...

 

[bripat9643]

More Republican irresponsibility. Never solve a problem. Avoid even thinking about them. Fox tells us that Republicans are the smartest people on earth but everything that they touch turns to shit so run, run, run from anything that even could be a problem.

When liberals pulling us into the future have to fight conservatives pulling us back to the past at every turn progress is slowed and made more costly but human beings who think for themselves are the same ones that overcome obstacles.

The future will not be denied.

You are a liar. Just more troll dung.

And you are an idiot with a profound aversion to thinking and a thugs instinct for demeaning everybody who's not you.

A "thug" is someone who uses force to take your stuff or make you do what he wants. That's a perfect description of a liberal, or a commie like you.

 

[PMZ]

"Basic logic" is like 'common' sense and 'they say' and 'supposed to'.

An explanation for the inexplicable that makes what you want or believe acceptable to others.

Some people fall for it regularly. Me, never.

I deliberately avoided using the term "common sense" because what the common people believe is so often dead wrong.

You avoided answering the question: How does the mere fact of your birth impose any obligations on me?

I was going to say because we're both human beings but I'm not sure about you.

Civilization is the realization that living cooperatively and collaboratively leads to progress and living competitively to chaos.

We're you raised by wolves?

Why should he be "accountable" to anyone? It's his property, isn't it? It's not on loan from the government.

As good an explanation as possible for Republican, we are exempt from all responsibility and accountability.

We are responsible only for the obligations we choose to take on. When did a business owner choose to become responsible for making the economy grow?

When he realized that he was also part of something bigger than his business.

 

[bripat9643]

"Basic logic" is like 'common' sense and 'they say' and 'supposed to'.

An explanation for the inexplicable that makes what you want or believe acceptable to others.

Some people fall for it regularly. Me, never.

I deliberately avoided using the term "common sense" because what the common people believe is so often dead wrong.

You avoided answering the question: How does the mere fact of your birth impose any obligations on me?

I was going to say because we're both human beings but I'm not sure about you.

I'm sorry but I don't see the connection. How does the fact that you're a human like me mean that your birth imposes obligations on me?

[Civilization is the realization that living cooperatively and collaboratively leads to progress and living competitively to chaos.

Government is compulsion. It's force. It isn't "collaboration" or "cooperation." I have no idea what you believe "living competitively" means. We all compete with everyone. It's an inseparable reality of being human.

We're you raised by wolves?

We're you raised in a concentration camp?

 

[bripat9643]

I deliberately avoided using the term "common sense" because what the common people believe is so often dead wrong.

You avoided answering the question: How does the mere fact of your birth impose any obligations on me?

I was going to say because we're both human beings but I'm not sure about you.

Civilization is the realization that living cooperatively and collaboratively leads to progress and living competitively to chaos.

We're you raised by wolves?

As good an explanation as possible for Republican, we are exempt from all responsibility and accountability.

We are responsible only for the obligations we choose to take on. When did a business owner choose to become responsible for making the economy grow?

When he realized that he was also part of something bigger than his business.

In other words, never. You simply imagined it.

 

[PMZ]

This is the basic lie of Marxism about business. Actually you make money by focusing on your customers, not ignoring them. No business is successful following your shallow caricature of business and no management consultant is successful telling them to focus on themselves and ignore their customers. Businesses are designed around our customer requirements, not in spit of them. I live it every day. You mime Marxist dogma which has been translated for your into modern prose by Democrats. What you are saying is the equivalent of saying that doctors prescribe leeches. You're a tool

You'll never find one word from me denying customer focus. You know that too, but had to find some excuse to call me Marxist.

Business is getting and maintaining customer focus by those that create and influence the products being sold.

When I finance my business, buy the materials and then pay my employees to produce products and services, why do they then still own what was produced? Why when they sold me their time, did I in fact pay them and get nothing out of the deal?

Do you have an answer other than quoting the Communist Manifesto or is that pretty much it?

Listen Adolf, as far as I'm concerned you can do anything legal with what you own that you want to. You can screw your employees, your customers, your suppliers, and your country.

In fact I have to believe that you do regularly.

My point is that if I was a customer, employee, or supplier and you screwed me, you'd regret it. I am a citizen of the country that we share and people following your Nazi philosophy have done a great deal of damage to that country.

Fortunately people likebme woke up in time to end your reign of terror and fire your ass. But that's only the beginning.

 

[PMZ]

You just proved you don't know what an aristocracy is. Under British rule, the aristocracy was governed by a different set of laws than the common folk. The Founders setup a government where everyone was subject to the same laws. They abolished the aristocracy. They didn't create one.

Your definition of "aristocracy" is any country were some people earn more than others. That's all it is.

Aristocracy is government by those who think themselves superior.

Wrong, nimrod. All politicians think they are superior, so that characteristic doesn't distinguish aristocracy from any other form of government. The explanation I gave is correct.

That's what the founders then, and conservatives today, believe in.

Liberals believe it more than anyone.

Democracy is the biggest obstacle to conservative success in recreating what the founders wanted and we the people changed.

That's true enough, but it has nothing to do with your delusions. The Founders tried to create a free country. The Dims are turning it into a socialist tyranny.

Your raisin sized gonads are the only things keeping you here. Man up and solve your problem. Be free rather than whining.

 

[PMZ]

Why should he be "accountable" to anyone? It's his property, isn't it? It's not on loan from the government.

As good an explanation as possible for Republican, we are exempt from all responsibility and accountability.

Asking a Marxist to grasp private property is like asking a fish to grasp jogging.

Asking a Nazi to be responsible is like asking a rock to breath.

 

[PMZ]

let me try this again,

in regard to Republic and Democracy

See the picture? Those wealthy white males are called the founders. What they founded, all defined in a written document, was an aristocracy of wealthy white males, which was also a republic as they couldn't agree on royalty. They did the aristocracy thing because they believed themselves to be superior human beings.

But they did recognize that times change. So they allowed the governed to ammend their product.

We did over several wars and 200 years. We changed the aristocracy of wealthy white males to a democracy of everyone.

Is this a news to you?

I dont know whats happening to my picture posts...cant u just copy and paste???? And I saw my second attempt on the board when I posted it but now it dont seem to be there.

anyway PMZ I think u misread it. Wilson equated Republics and Democracys, and said they mean either voting directly on issues or indirectly thru representatives.

Sorry. I was using my phone so I could see the picture but not read the words. Now I'm using the IPad so the words are clear.

The dictionary definition of republic and democracy is pretty clear. And there are many countries around the world who call themselves republics solely because they don't have a monarch.

 

[PMZ]

You'll never find one word from me denying customer focus. You know that too, but had to find some excuse to call me Marxist.

Business is getting and maintaining customer focus by those that create and influence the products being sold.

When I finance my business, buy the materials and then pay my employees to produce products and services, why do they then still own what was produced? Why when they sold me their time, did I in fact pay them and get nothing out of the deal?

Do you have an answer other than quoting the Communist Manifesto or is that pretty much it?

People who work for others agree to trade their labor for dollars so the only "wealth" they create is the money they receive for the only commodity they sell; their labor.

And it seems to me that there are too many definitions of "wealth"

A product is not wealth, income is not wealth, net worth is wealth.

A laborer can steadily increase his net worth by saving or making more by becoming a more valuable laborer.

People who buy other people's labor are not forcing others to sell their labor to them.

Money is merely a token substitute for wealth. Real wealth is goods and services that workers create.

 

[PMZ]

You are a liar. Just more troll dung.

And you are an idiot with a profound aversion to thinking and a thugs instinct for demeaning everybody who's not you.

A "thug" is someone who uses force to take your stuff or make you do what he wants. That's a perfect description of a liberal, or a commie like you.

Nazis like you were notorious thugs. Business people who screw employees, suppliers, customers and their country are thugs to me and heroes to you.

 

[Gadawg73]

Why is it people believe they have a right to other people's property?
Where is it written in law that someone has a right to property that they did not earn?

 

[kaz]

You can screw your employees, your customers, your suppliers, and your country.

In fact I have to believe that you do regularly.

Based on what?

 

[kaz]

When I finance my business, buy the materials and then pay my employees to produce products and services, why do they then still own what was produced? Why when they sold me their time, did I in fact pay them and get nothing out of the deal?

Do you have an answer other than quoting the Communist Manifesto or is that pretty much it?

People who work for others agree to trade their labor for dollars so the only "wealth" they create is the money they receive for the only commodity they sell; their labor.

And it seems to me that there are too many definitions of "wealth"

A product is not wealth, income is not wealth, net worth is wealth.

A laborer can steadily increase his net worth by saving or making more by becoming a more valuable laborer.

People who buy other people's labor are not forcing others to sell their labor to them.

Money is merely a token substitute for wealth. Real wealth is goods and services that workers create.

Money is how we keep score. You can trade it in for toys.

 

[kaz]

Why is it people believe they have a right to other people's property?
Where is it written in law that someone has a right to property that they did not earn?

Well stated. As someone risking my own money, I care a lot about my employees and my customers and making them happy.

Obama on the other hand doesn't give a crap about me, and I'm paying a disproportionately huge share of the cost of his agenda.

That PMZ think that means that he, Obama and Karl Marx care about people and I don't is par for his Communist course. It's a lie, they care about themselves, and that is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer.