[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[PMZ]

So you should get everything for free and the stupid working class should pay for you to sit on your fat ass.

You think you're insulting him, but that's actually his objective. I've walked into that trap myself before...

Yeah I figured... amazing that society has devolved to allow these lower life forms to propagate and even thrive.

The fact that you believe that living the cult life makes you a higher life form reveals all.

 

[kaz]

I am the middle class. The people who don't have to work are the wealthy. The people who can't work because conservatism gave all of their jobs away are the poor. The people sitting on their fat asses are the media cult conservatives getting their daily dose of what to think.

Funny stuff. You haven't had a real job have you? So let me tell you my experience.

- I'm the company owner, my car is in the lot more than anyone.
- My managers and senior staff are here not as much but late and sometimes on the weekend.
- The hourly's are out the door two minutes after their shifts end.

But I don't work! LOL!

You live your life as you choose. The poor don't. The fact that you have no friends or family is and has been your choice.

I worked from 12 to retirement. I know what it is to create wealth. I didn't have to depend on others to do that for me.

If I (and people like me) don't choose to live my life this way, then people who want to work won't have jobs and parasites like you won't have a host. So I'd pay attention to where your bread is buttered...

 

[RKMBrown]

All of the alternative tax systems that I've seen have the same goal. Tax the poor and middle class more and the wealthy less. Why? They are all sponsored and advertised by the wealthy in their relentless push to replace democracy with plutocracy.

So you should get everything for free and the stupid working class should pay for you to sit on your fat ass.

I am the middle class. The people who don't have to work are the wealthy. The people who can't work because conservatism gave all of their jobs away are the poor. The people sitting on their fat asses are the media cult conservatives getting their daily dose of what to think.

So then by your own admission, you benefit from less income tax at the expense of other humans paying for your share of the services you receive. And you are good with that. Further, you are so good with that you want the ratio to be extended until you see the pain in your bosses face as he has to get in a soup line with your parents in order to bring food home for his family. Still further you'd just love it if the owners of the company that gives you a paycheck were to be thrown into the street and their property distributed to you.

 

[kaz]

You think you're insulting him, but that's actually his objective. I've walked into that trap myself before...

Yeah I figured... amazing that society has devolved to allow these lower life forms to propagate and even thrive.

The fact that you believe that living the cult life makes you a higher life form reveals all.

The desire to be a free man is in fact a higher life form than taking pride from seeking dependency and the use of force to get it.

 

[DiamondDave]

This guy is on a TDM level of stupidity

"A pure Democracy is NOT Democracy."

Yeabut, is up still up? Down still down?

The conservative media cult has a great deal of trouble with English as they believe themselves entitled to their own definitions.

Newspeak.

Idiot

The quote from my signature is NOT MINE.. it is from another left wing idiot who is strikingly similar in posting style to you

 

[RKMBrown]

I am the middle class. The people who don't have to work are the wealthy. The people who can't work because conservatism gave all of their jobs away are the poor. The people sitting on their fat asses are the media cult conservatives getting their daily dose of what to think.

Funny stuff. You haven't had a real job have you? So let me tell you my experience.

- I'm the company owner, my car is in the lot more than anyone.
- My managers and senior staff are here not as much but late and sometimes on the weekend.
- The hourly's are out the door two minutes after their shifts end.

But I don't work! LOL!

You live your life as you choose. The poor don't. The fact that you have no friends or family is and has been your choice.

I worked from 12 to retirement. I know what it is to create wealth. I didn't have to depend on others to do that for me.

So you never worked for anyone, no one ever worked for you, and you never sold anything. That would make you a farmer and/or rancher who raised his own food and never bought or sold a thing.

 

[PMZ]

Funny stuff. You haven't had a real job have you? So let me tell you my experience.

- I'm the company owner, my car is in the lot more than anyone.
- My managers and senior staff are here not as much but late and sometimes on the weekend.
- The hourly's are out the door two minutes after their shifts end.

But I don't work! LOL!

You live your life as you choose. The poor don't. The fact that you have no friends or family is and has been your choice.

I worked from 12 to retirement. I know what it is to create wealth. I didn't have to depend on others to do that for me.

If I (and people like me) don't choose to live my life this way, then people who want to work won't have jobs and parasites like you won't have a host. So I'd pay attention to where your bread is buttered...

That's more bullshit than I can stand. People like you depend on people
like me for jobs. Innovators. People who invent the stuff that you make. The fact that you own the means of production, if so, means that you are the landlord. the creators of whatever wealth your company sells support you, not vice versa. I'm surprised that you can even find people to create your wealth given you're slave master attitude.

 

[PMZ]

Funny stuff. You haven't had a real job have you? So let me tell you my experience.

- I'm the company owner, my car is in the lot more than anyone.
- My managers and senior staff are here not as much but late and sometimes on the weekend.
- The hourly's are out the door two minutes after their shifts end.

But I don't work! LOL!

You live your life as you choose. The poor don't. The fact that you have no friends or family is and has been your choice.

I worked from 12 to retirement. I know what it is to create wealth. I didn't have to depend on others to do that for me.

So you never worked for anyone, no one ever worked for you, and you never sold anything. That would make you a farmer and/or rancher who raised his own food and never bought or sold a thing.

I work with people. I sell the wealth that I create for money to buy what I want and need. Are you keeping up so far?

 

[Foxfyre]

Some here--I won't mention names like PMZ (cough)--seem to have a really tough time differentiating between socialism and social contract.

He probably doesn't vote so he doesn't see all the permissions and bond issues, yadda yadda, that appear on our ballots when we go vote. These give us opportunity to say yes or no whether we want our local or state tax dollars going for road and street repairs or a new bridge or better street lights or a beautification project or a new wing for the library or whatever. The federal government, however, does not ask our permission directly but asks permission of our elected representatives. Or that's the way it used to work.

Infrastructure is NOT socialism. It is the people choosing to share and fund a sewer system or a power source or the streets and roads that allow us to get around instead of us each having to provide our own services. It is choosing to share in the cost of professional law enforcement and fire fighters and street maintenance so that we don't have to each one provide that for ourselves. Responsible infrastructure FOLLOWS economic development as the people need it to expand and grow.

A Homeowner's Association is NOT socialism. It is a group of people who contract with each other to share costs for certain services, protections, and security of property values that would be far more expensive for the individual homeowners to provide for themselves.

A school district is NOT socialism when it is parents, teachers, and administrators agreeing to what sort of education they want their children to have and agreeing to share in its costs rather than each parent homeschooling their kids.

Socialism is the government controlling the means of production, infrastructure, and social services. It assigns what it deems to be a fair share for each person to pay to support that.

Marxism is the government confiscating property and resources from the people, and redistributing them as the government thinks they should be distributed. Private ownership is not allowed, everything is owned by everybody, and everybody should receive according to their needs.

Totalitarianism is the government confiscating property and resources from the people, assigning the people what privileges they will be allowed, and doing whatever it damn well wants to do which will almost always be to mostly benefit those in government. A fair share is whatever the government wants it to be, and that can be everything we have or control.

The Founders saw the role of the government as securing our unlienable rights and then leaving us alone to form whatever sort of society we wished to have and prosper as we were able. A fair share was small and equally expected of each citizen regardless of who they were or how much they owned.

So which form of government do you think the USA currently has?

 

[PMZ]

Yeah I figured... amazing that society has devolved to allow these lower life forms to propagate and even thrive.

The fact that you believe that living the cult life makes you a higher life form reveals all.

The desire to be a free man is in fact a higher life form than taking pride from seeking dependency and the use of force to get it.

The English word for a cult member claiming to be free is "stupid".

 

[Uncensored2008]

"Socialism is an economic system whereby the means of production are owned by everybody?"

"Capitalism is where they are owned by fewer people, down to one?"

What the freaking hell are you talking about? No one can be this dumb, no one.

Jake can - Jake is a special kind of stupid.

 

[RKMBrown]

You live your life as you choose. The poor don't. The fact that you have no friends or family is and has been your choice.

I worked from 12 to retirement. I know what it is to create wealth. I didn't have to depend on others to do that for me.

So you never worked for anyone, no one ever worked for you, and you never sold anything. That would make you a farmer and/or rancher who raised his own food and never bought or sold a thing.

I work with people. I sell the wealth that I create for money to buy what I want and need. Are you keeping up so far?

How do you create wealth? Is that hard? Why do you limit your wealth creation to your self classified middle income? Why do you think people that make more money than you, don't deserve their income as much as you deserve your income?

If someone works 80 hours to produce twice the wealth you create in 40 hours, why should they have to pay a higher tax rate than you? Why do you insist on penalizing him for working twice as many hours as you do?

 

[DiamondDave]

You live your life as you choose. The poor don't. The fact that you have no friends or family is and has been your choice.

I worked from 12 to retirement. I know what it is to create wealth. I didn't have to depend on others to do that for me.

So you never worked for anyone, no one ever worked for you, and you never sold anything. That would make you a farmer and/or rancher who raised his own food and never bought or sold a thing.

I work with people. I sell the wealth that I create for money to buy what I want and need. Are you keeping up so far?

Seriously.. do you even understand English???

 

[Uncensored2008]

Now here's a current national threat. The Bolsheviks. Right up there with the monster in the closet.

Bolshevik in the White House.

Most corrupt administration in history.

Selling guns to Mexican drug lords.

Using the IRS to attack political enemies.

Spying on the press.

Tapping the phones of a third of Americans.

Coincidence?

Not even you can be this dumb, Jake.

 

[RKMBrown]

Some here--I won't mention names like PMZ (cough)--seem to have a really tough time differentiating between socialism and social contract.

He probably doesn't vote so he doesn't see all the permissions and bond issues, yadda yadda, that appear on our ballots when we go vote. These give us opportunity to say yes or no whether we want our local or state tax dollars going for road and street repairs or a new bridge or better street lights or a beautification project or a new wing for the library or whatever. The federal government, however, does not ask our permission directly but asks permission of our elected representatives. Or that's the way it used to work.

Infrastructure is NOT socialism. It is the people choosing to share and fund a sewer system or a power source or the streets and roads that allow us to get around instead of us each having to provide our own services. It is choosing to share in the cost of professional law enforcement and fire fighters and street maintenance so that we don't have to each one provide that for ourselves. Responsible infrastructure FOLLOWS economic development as the people need it to expand and grow.

A Homeowner's Association is NOT socialism. It is a group of people who contract with each other to share costs for certain services, protections, and security of property values that would be far more expensive for the individual homeowners to provide for themselves.

A school district is NOT socialism when it is parents, teachers, and administrators agreeing to what sort of education they want their children to have and agreeing to share in its costs rather than each parent homeschooling their kids.

Socialism is the government controlling the means of production, infrastructure, and social services. It assigns a fair share for each person to pay to support that.

Marxism is the government confiscating property and resources from the people, and redistributing them as the government thinks they should be distributed. Private ownership is not allowed, everything is owned by everybody, and everybody should receive according to their needs.

Totalitarianism is the government confiscating property and resources from the people, assigning the people what privileges they will be allowed, and doing whatever it damn well wants to do which will almost always be to mostly benefit those in government. A fair share is whatever the government wants it to be, and that can be everything we have or control.

The Founders saw the role of the government as securing our unlienable rights and then leaving us alone to form whatever sort of society we wished to have and prosper as we were able. A fair share was small and equally expected of each citizen regardless of who they were or how much they owned.

So which form of government do you think the USA currently has?

Moving from a free democratic republic with a capitalist economy (Americanism?) toward socialism with shades of totalitarianism thrown in.

 

[Foxfyre]

But you left out the Marxist income redistribution thing, RKM. And the determination to make the rich unrich. And that's pretty important.

 

[RKMBrown]

But you left out the Marxist income redistribution thing, RKM. And the determination to make the rich unrich. And that's pretty important.

I call that socialist... even the socialists are not stupid enough to want to throw all of their private property to the government's care. They just want the government to take someone else's property other than their own and give them special dispensation from the extreme pain that the rich deserve.

 

[Staidhup]

This issue would not exist if government regulation and meddling in the private sector hadn't driven manufacturing off shore.

 

[kaz]

If I (and people like me) don't choose to live my life this way, then people who want to work won't have jobs and parasites like you won't have a host. So I'd pay attention to where your bread is buttered...

That's more bullshit than I can stand. People like you depend on people
like me for jobs. Innovators. People who invent the stuff that you make. The fact that you own the means of production, if so, means that you are the landlord. the creators of whatever wealth your company sells support you, not vice versa. I'm surprised that you can even find people to create your wealth given you're slave master attitude.

People like you are a dime a dozen, people like me are rare. If you leave, I have a line of resumes to replace you. If I leave, company goes away. That makes ME dependent on YOU??? You're delusional.

 

[kaz]

The fact that you believe that living the cult life makes you a higher life form reveals all.

The desire to be a free man is in fact a higher life form than taking pride from seeking dependency and the use of force to get it.

The English word for a cult member claiming to be free is "stupid".

Now I do like a good insult fest. However, that a libertarian who tells the entire world to fuck off because I'm an individual makes me a "cult" member is so clueless I can't even be insulted by it. Apparently your lack of education is connected to your failure to be able to hold a job.