Poll: Majority of Democrats and Republicans support Medicare for all

[Mac1958]

not w/o election, and as we have seen, tyrannical laws can be undone.

More words, more meaningless platitudes. That's all we've gotten from the GOP. When they get their chance, they can't handle it.

The Dems will actually act.
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so you're supporting the idiotic idea of government run ins or just expecting the dems to do something to fix something that never needed fixing?

I very much support a REAL "Medicare for All" - an already-functioning, very popular blend of a public foundation and private free-market competition and innovation.

And that doesn't change my point - The GOP had their chance and blew it. Screaming FREEDOM and LIBERTY and TYRANNY and SOCIALISM all day doesn't actually get anything DONE. They had the ball in their hands and dropped it, so they can't complain about where we're now going.
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[BlueGin]

Bankruptcy for all!

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Uh, guy, most countries with single payer spend 8% of their GDP on health care and get better results than we do paying 17% of our GDP on it.

Medicare for all would save us money, as it would remove things like investor payouts and CEO salaries and marketing expenses.

And all the hospitals and clinics would go bankrupt because Medicare refuses to pay for anything and reimbursements are pennies.

 

[Two Thumbs]

not w/o election, and as we have seen, tyrannical laws can be undone.

More words, more meaningless platitudes. That's all we've gotten from the GOP. When they get their chance, they can't handle it.

The Dems will actually act.
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so you're supporting the idiotic idea of government run ins or just expecting the dems to do something to fix something that never needed fixing?

I very much support a REAL "Medicare for All" - an already-functioning, very popular blend of a public foundation and private free-market competition and innovation.

And that doesn't change my point - The GOP had their chance and blew it. Screaming FREEDOM and LIBERTY and TYRANNY and SOCIALISM all day doesn't actually get anything DONE. They had the ball in their hands and dropped it, so they can't complain about where we're now going.
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there's nothing to fix, that's the problem

the left fixed hc, something that didn't need fixing with more government.

I agree that the gop should have ripped apart the aca, but that's all they needed to do.

 

[Mac1958]

Bankruptcy for all!

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Uh, guy, most countries with single payer spend 8% of their GDP on health care and get better results than we do paying 17% of our GDP on it.

Medicare for all would save us money, as it would remove things like investor payouts and CEO salaries and marketing expenses.

And all the hospitals and clinics would go bankrupt because Medicare refuses to pay for anything and reimbursements are pennies.

There are all kinds of tweaks that can be made. One would be a whole new cottage industry of entry-level preventive and diagnostic walk-in clinics.

We would definitely have to increase and re-construct reimbursement schedules.

We just have to THINK a little bit. But that appears to be a lost art.

So here comes real Single Payer.
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[Two Thumbs]

Bankruptcy for all!

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Uh, guy, most countries with single payer spend 8% of their GDP on health care and get better results than we do paying 17% of our GDP on it.

Medicare for all would save us money, as it would remove things like investor payouts and CEO salaries and marketing expenses.

And all the hospitals and clinics would go bankrupt because Medicare refuses to pay for anything and reimbursements are pennies.

most docs won't even accept it and the wait time for those that do is very long.

 

[JoeB131]

Spending more saves money.

Yup, that's the leftist economics I know. By the way, those countries are also bankrupt just like us, already without your crazy utopian plans.

um, actually, they aren't. Most of them have less debt to GDP ratios.

But to the point, we wouldn't spend more, we'd spend smarter.

No Nine Figure Salaries for CEO's who deny care to people after they bought policies. That would be a big change.

 

[JoeB131]

There are all kinds of tweaks that can be made. One would be a whole new cottage industry of entry-level preventive and diagnostic walk-ins clinics.

We would definitely have to increase and re-construct reimbursement schedules.

We just have to THINK a little bit. But that appears to be a lost art.

So here comes real Single Payer.

Stormy Mac thinks more greed can get us out of the mess greed got us into.

 

[Mac1958]

there's nothing to fix, that's the problem

Well, that's the problem. We really do need to fix this, improve this. Brushing that fact off is the reason 70% feel the way they do.

That's the "whistling past the graveyard" I'm talking about.
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[Two Thumbs]

There are all kinds of tweaks that can be made. One would be a whole new cottage industry of entry-level preventive and diagnostic walk-ins clinics.

We would definitely have to increase and re-construct reimbursement schedules.

We just have to THINK a little bit. But that appears to be a lost art.

So here comes real Single Payer.

Stormy Mac thinks more greed can get us out of the mess greed got us into.

leftists

GOVERNMENT IS THE ONLY ANSWER!!!!


Not a single free thinker in the bunch

 

[BlueGin]

Bankruptcy for all!

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Uh, guy, most countries with single payer spend 8% of their GDP on health care and get better results than we do paying 17% of our GDP on it.

Medicare for all would save us money, as it would remove things like investor payouts and CEO salaries and marketing expenses.

And all the hospitals and clinics would go bankrupt because Medicare refuses to pay for anything and reimbursements are pennies.

most docs won't even accept it and the wait time for those that do is very long.

And if the doctors run too many tests or spend too much time treating your illness...the hospitals get fined millions during government Medicare linked audits.

 

[Norman]

Solution to health care...

Put the real Indian in, get the fake Indian out.

 

[OldLady]

There are all kinds of tweaks that can be made. One would be a whole new cottage industry of entry-level preventive and diagnostic walk-ins clinics.

We would definitely have to increase and re-construct reimbursement schedules.

We just have to THINK a little bit. But that appears to be a lost art.

So here comes real Single Payer.

Stormy Mac thinks more greed can get us out of the mess greed got us into.

I think you hit the nail on the head--greed.
The healthcare industry is awesome in what it can do, but it got too greedy. You can be as greedy as you like when you're selling cars or oil, but when you're selling life, people will eventually put their foot down.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Bankruptcy for all!

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Uh, guy, most countries with single payer spend 8% of their GDP on health care and get better results than we do paying 17% of our GDP on it.

Medicare for all would save us money, as it would remove things like investor payouts and CEO salaries and marketing expenses.

And all the hospitals and clinics would go bankrupt because Medicare refuses to pay for anything and reimbursements are pennies.

most docs won't even accept it and the wait time for those that do is very long.

And if the doctors run too many tests or spend too much time treating your illness...the hospitals get fined millions during government Medicare linked audits.

government run hci will end with people not getting enough tests.

which is the opposite of what goes on now.


damn, imagine being forced, by the government to take certain meds, eat only approved meals and so on and on.


damn what a slope

 

[Crepitus]

Unfortunately, the term "Medicare for All" in its current usage is a cynical misnomer.

Bernie Sanders and those doing this actually want pure Single Payer, and that's another animal. And they are dishonestly using the term "Medicare for All" to get it. So, they're fooling the country.

I'm all for "Medicare for All" - A public Medicare foundation with a significant free market Medicare Supplement/Medicare Advantage component to cover gaps and enhance benefits. But it's sad to see these people lying like this. Not surprising, of course, but sad. And typical.

Politics = Smoke & Mirrors
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Who said they would.eliminate free market suppliments?

 

[Mac1958]

greed.

Blech. There's greed in the private sector, there's greed in the public sector. It all just takes different forms.

Just as I tell the right wingers, we need to get past the shallow platitudes, find what is already working, and improve on it. The Medicare - Medicare Advantage - Medicare Supplement system is excellent, it has excellent regulatory controls (that, sure, could be tweaked), and it could be scaled up tomorrow.

We don't always have to run to one end, we don't have to always totally mock & dismiss what the other guys want, we don't always have to throw the baby out with the bathwater. There is a perfectly viable middle ground here, and it already works.
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[Mac1958]

Unfortunately, the term "Medicare for All" in its current usage is a cynical misnomer.

Bernie Sanders and those doing this actually want pure Single Payer, and that's another animal. And they are dishonestly using the term "Medicare for All" to get it. So, they're fooling the country.

I'm all for "Medicare for All" - A public Medicare foundation with a significant free market Medicare Supplement/Medicare Advantage component to cover gaps and enhance benefits. But it's sad to see these people lying like this. Not surprising, of course, but sad. And typical.

Politics = Smoke & Mirrors
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Who said they would.eliminate free market suppliments?

Everything I've seen - and I've looked, particularly on Bernie's site - is Single Payer specifically. Exclusively.

I'd love to find out that he really means Medicare for All, so provide a link and I'll check it out.
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[Crepitus]

Unfortunately, the term "Medicare for All" in its current usage is a cynical misnomer.

Bernie Sanders and those doing this actually want pure Single Payer, and that's another animal. And they are dishonestly using the term "Medicare for All" to get it. So, they're fooling the country.

I'm all for "Medicare for All" - A public Medicare foundation with a significant free market Medicare Supplement/Medicare Advantage component to cover gaps and enhance benefits. But it's sad to see these people lying like this. Not surprising, of course, but sad. And typical.

Politics = Smoke & Mirrors
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Who said they would.eliminate free market suppliments?

Everything I've seen - and I've looked, particularly on Bernie's site - is Single Payer specifically. Exclusively.

I'd love to find out that he really means Medicare for All, so provide a link and I'll check it out.
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He can't stop a company from.selling suppliments policies.

 

[Mac1958]

Unfortunately, the term "Medicare for All" in its current usage is a cynical misnomer.

Bernie Sanders and those doing this actually want pure Single Payer, and that's another animal. And they are dishonestly using the term "Medicare for All" to get it. So, they're fooling the country.

I'm all for "Medicare for All" - A public Medicare foundation with a significant free market Medicare Supplement/Medicare Advantage component to cover gaps and enhance benefits. But it's sad to see these people lying like this. Not surprising, of course, but sad. And typical.

Politics = Smoke & Mirrors
.

Who said they would.eliminate free market suppliments?

Everything I've seen - and I've looked, particularly on Bernie's site - is Single Payer specifically. Exclusively.

I'd love to find out that he really means Medicare for All, so provide a link and I'll check it out.
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He can't stop a company from.selling suppliments policies.

That's not my point. The system is symbiotic, complimentary. That's not what he wants.
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[Crepitus]

Unfortunately, the term "Medicare for All" in its current usage is a cynical misnomer.

Bernie Sanders and those doing this actually want pure Single Payer, and that's another animal. And they are dishonestly using the term "Medicare for All" to get it. So, they're fooling the country.

I'm all for "Medicare for All" - A public Medicare foundation with a significant free market Medicare Supplement/Medicare Advantage component to cover gaps and enhance benefits. But it's sad to see these people lying like this. Not surprising, of course, but sad. And typical.

Politics = Smoke & Mirrors
.

Who said they would.eliminate free market suppliments?

Everything I've seen - and I've looked, particularly on Bernie's site - is Single Payer specifically. Exclusively.

I'd love to find out that he really means Medicare for All, so provide a link and I'll check it out.
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He can't stop a company from.selling suppliments policies.

That's not my point. The system is symbiotic, complimentary. That's not what he wants.
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He wants better than what we have. That means better than basic services from medicare for everyone. Yes, that will cut into the supplimental market, but who cares really? Health insurance companies are parasites anyway.

 

[Mac1958]

Unfortunately, the term "Medicare for All" in its current usage is a cynical misnomer.

Bernie Sanders and those doing this actually want pure Single Payer, and that's another animal. And they are dishonestly using the term "Medicare for All" to get it. So, they're fooling the country.

I'm all for "Medicare for All" - A public Medicare foundation with a significant free market Medicare Supplement/Medicare Advantage component to cover gaps and enhance benefits. But it's sad to see these people lying like this. Not surprising, of course, but sad. And typical.

Politics = Smoke & Mirrors
.

Who said they would.eliminate free market suppliments?

Everything I've seen - and I've looked, particularly on Bernie's site - is Single Payer specifically. Exclusively.

I'd love to find out that he really means Medicare for All, so provide a link and I'll check it out.
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He can't stop a company from.selling suppliments policies.

That's not my point. The system is symbiotic, complimentary. That's not what he wants.
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He wants better than what we have. That means better than basic services from medicare for everyone. Yes, that will cut into the supplimental market, but who cares really? Health insurance companies are parasites anyway.

Then we disagree.

The least he could do is be honest, but he's choosing to mis-lead.

Have we not yet had enough of this in our politics?
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