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SJ, Mateen's parents emigrated during either Carter or Reagan. My friend, we will probably always disagree on a lot of issues, but if we don't face facts squarely without the clutter of rumor, illogical innuendo and wishful thinking, how can we change anything. We have to work together, without a way-back machine, or the coulda, woulda, shoulda, using history as a tool, not a cudgel. Think we can do this..or is our division unrepairable?It would have stopped this attack if his parents had not been allowed to enter.SJ, simply pointing out that the hysteria to stop immigration certainly wasn't an answer for the massacre suffered in Orlando. And I believe I acknowledged that tight controlled vetting is necessary for immigrants from the so-called Muslim nations. SJ can we stop coming out of our corners fighting? Lets not make this either/or.So why bother to prevent any FUTURE attacks? Is that your argument?Umm,Paul? If immigration were immediately stopped from the countries you mention, would that have prevented this mass murder? Would it have stopped Virginia Tech? Sandy Hook? Tucson? Aurora? Columbine? Oklahoma? I agree that the utmost caution in vetting prospective immigrants is necessary for the time being, but hysterics is a danger too. This dirtbag was American born, a natural citizen. In our zeal, lets take care to avoid an 'Ox Bow Incident'.Donald Trump is currently being savaged by the Democrats and Communist/Progressive MSM, for suggesting halting all immigration from Muslim Nations. But what about halting immigration from some Muslim Nations?
Our Government is currently accepting thousands of Immigrants from known Terrorist-havens like Syria, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. How do you feel about it? Thanks.
SJ, Mateen's parents emigrated during either Carter or Reagan. My friend, we will probably always disagree on a lot of issues, but if we don't face facts squarely without the clutter of rumor, illogical innuendo and wishful thinking, how can we change anything. We have to work together, without a way-back machine, or the coulda, woulda, shoulda, using history as a tool, not a cudgel. Think we can do this..or is our division unrepairable?It would have stopped this attack if his parents had not been allowed to enter.SJ, simply pointing out that the hysteria to stop immigration certainly wasn't an answer for the massacre suffered in Orlando. And I believe I acknowledged that tight controlled vetting is necessary for immigrants from the so-called Muslim nations. SJ can we stop coming out of our corners fighting? Lets not make this either/or.So why bother to prevent any FUTURE attacks? Is that your argument?Umm,Paul? If immigration were immediately stopped from the countries you mention, would that have prevented this mass murder? Would it have stopped Virginia Tech? Sandy Hook? Tucson? Aurora? Columbine? Oklahoma? I agree that the utmost caution in vetting prospective immigrants is necessary for the time being, but hysterics is a danger too. This dirtbag was American born, a natural citizen. In our zeal, lets take care to avoid an 'Ox Bow Incident'.Donald Trump is currently being savaged by the Democrats and Communist/Progressive MSM, for suggesting halting all immigration from Muslim Nations. But what about halting immigration from some Muslim Nations?
Our Government is currently accepting thousands of Immigrants from known Terrorist-havens like Syria, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. How do you feel about it? Thanks.
Fair, your point is well taken, but with reservation. By extension, if we had stopped Scottish immigration at the same time, there would probably be no Donald Trump either. Problem is, back then we didn't know how we would evolve as a nation to bring us to this point. Back then, the Afghans were no more a threat to us than the Scots. What he need is more foresight, not hindsight.SJ, Mateen's parents emigrated during either Carter or Reagan. My friend, we will probably always disagree on a lot of issues, but if we don't face facts squarely without the clutter of rumor, illogical innuendo and wishful thinking, how can we change anything. We have to work together, without a way-back machine, or the coulda, woulda, shoulda, using history as a tool, not a cudgel. Think we can do this..or is our division unrepairable?It would have stopped this attack if his parents had not been allowed to enter.SJ, simply pointing out that the hysteria to stop immigration certainly wasn't an answer for the massacre suffered in Orlando. And I believe I acknowledged that tight controlled vetting is necessary for immigrants from the so-called Muslim nations. SJ can we stop coming out of our corners fighting? Lets not make this either/or.So why bother to prevent any FUTURE attacks? Is that your argument?Umm,Paul? If immigration were immediately stopped from the countries you mention, would that have prevented this mass murder? Would it have stopped Virginia Tech? Sandy Hook? Tucson? Aurora? Columbine? Oklahoma? I agree that the utmost caution in vetting prospective immigrants is necessary for the time being, but hysterics is a danger too. This dirtbag was American born, a natural citizen. In our zeal, lets take care to avoid an 'Ox Bow Incident'.
Yes, of course we can't go back in time and take back allowing this guy's nut bag father into the country, but what we CAN do is use past events to shape our future policies. Using hindsight it would be awful hard to pretend like letting this guy's father into the country was anything but a mistake. Shouldn't we learn from our mistakes? Don't you learn from mistakes in your personal life? If you date a crazy woman who robs you blind and kills your pet, aren't you a little more cautious about who you date in the future, or do you just throw up your hands and say "that was in the past, we can't change the past?"
Fair, your point is well taken, but with reservation. By extension, if we had stopped Scottish immigration at the same time, there would probably be no Donald Trump either. Problem is, back then we didn't know how we would evolve as a nation to bring us to this point. Back then, the Afghans were no more a threat to us than the Scots. What he need is more foresight, not hindsight.SJ, Mateen's parents emigrated during either Carter or Reagan. My friend, we will probably always disagree on a lot of issues, but if we don't face facts squarely without the clutter of rumor, illogical innuendo and wishful thinking, how can we change anything. We have to work together, without a way-back machine, or the coulda, woulda, shoulda, using history as a tool, not a cudgel. Think we can do this..or is our division unrepairable?It would have stopped this attack if his parents had not been allowed to enter.SJ, simply pointing out that the hysteria to stop immigration certainly wasn't an answer for the massacre suffered in Orlando. And I believe I acknowledged that tight controlled vetting is necessary for immigrants from the so-called Muslim nations. SJ can we stop coming out of our corners fighting? Lets not make this either/or.So why bother to prevent any FUTURE attacks? Is that your argument?
Yes, of course we can't go back in time and take back allowing this guy's nut bag father into the country, but what we CAN do is use past events to shape our future policies. Using hindsight it would be awful hard to pretend like letting this guy's father into the country was anything but a mistake. Shouldn't we learn from our mistakes? Don't you learn from mistakes in your personal life? If you date a crazy woman who robs you blind and kills your pet, aren't you a little more cautious about who you date in the future, or do you just throw up your hands and say "that was in the past, we can't change the past?"
Umm,Paul? If immigration were immediately stopped from the countries you mention, would that have prevented this mass murder? Would it have stopped Virginia Tech? Sandy Hook? Tucson? Aurora? Columbine? Oklahoma? I agree that the utmost caution in vetting prospective immigrants is necessary for the time being, but hysterics is a danger too. This dirtbag was American born, a natural citizen. In our zeal, lets take care to avoid an 'Ox Bow Incident'.Donald Trump is currently being savaged by the Democrats and Communist/Progressive MSM, for suggesting halting all immigration from Muslim Nations. But what about halting immigration from some Muslim Nations?
Our Government is currently accepting thousands of Immigrants from known Terrorist-havens like Syria, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. How do you feel about it? Thanks.
Islam is far more than a religion. It has an active political component to itBanning immigration from specific nations is more tolerable than banning immigration based on religion.
We have done so in the past and set immigration quotas from specific nations today.
Donald Trump is currently being savaged by the Democrats and Communist/Progressive MSM, for suggesting halting all immigration from Muslim Nations. But what about halting immigration from some Muslim Nations?
Our Government is currently accepting thousands of Immigrants from known Terrorist-havens like Syria, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. How do you feel about it? Thanks.
The questions should have been
Should the US CEASE AND DESIST violently intervening in the internal affairs of other nations?
The FEDERAL GOVERNMENT beginning will Truman supplied the Muslims the MOTIVATION to place WE THE PEOPLE in harms way
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Donald Trump is currently being savaged by the Democrats and Communist/Progressive MSM, for suggesting halting all immigration from Muslim Nations. But what about halting immigration from some Muslim Nations?
Our Government is currently accepting thousands of Immigrants from known Terrorist-havens like Syria, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. How do you feel about it? Thanks.
Just for the record. I voted no to a HALT because a HALT is an admission that government cannot do it's Constitutional duties and PROPERLY vet these people. FIX THAT. Even Trump conditioned a halt to "figuring out what is going on".
However -- i don't want monstrous immigration from these countries under current conditions.
A HALT would make it impossible to rescue "American sympathizers" from the messes we created in Iraq, Afghan, Somalia and other badly handled interventions. People who ASSISTED us while we WERE there are now valid humanitarian refugees. We owe those people.. And turning our backs on them would be a mistake.
Donald Trump is currently being savaged by the Democrats and Communist/Progressive MSM, for suggesting halting all immigration from Muslim Nations. But what about halting immigration from some Muslim Nations?
Our Government is currently accepting thousands of Immigrants from known Terrorist-havens like Syria, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. How do you feel about it? Thanks.
Just for the record. I voted no to a HALT because a HALT is an admission that government cannot do it's Constitutional duties and PROPERLY vet these people. FIX THAT. Even Trump conditioned a halt to "figuring out what is going on".
However -- i don't want monstrous immigration from these countries under current conditions.
A HALT would make it impossible to rescue "American sympathizers" from the messes we created in Iraq, Afghan, Somalia and other badly handled interventions. People who ASSISTED us while we WERE there are now valid humanitarian refugees. We owe those people.. And turning our backs on them would be a mistake.
Donald Trump is currently being savaged by the Democrats and Communist/Progressive MSM, for suggesting halting all immigration from Muslim Nations. But what about halting immigration from some Muslim Nations?
Our Government is currently accepting thousands of Immigrants from known Terrorist-havens like Syria, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. How do you feel about it? Thanks.
Just for the record. I voted no to a HALT because a HALT is an admission that government cannot do it's Constitutional duties and PROPERLY vet these people. FIX THAT. Even Trump conditioned a halt to "figuring out what is going on".
However -- i don't want monstrous immigration from these countries under current conditions.
A HALT would make it impossible to rescue "American sympathizers" from the messes we created in Iraq, Afghan, Somalia and other badly handled interventions. People who ASSISTED us while we WERE there are now valid humanitarian refugees. We owe those people.. And turning our backs on them would be a mistake.
Yes sir
Especially Syria a country the US , and its ally ISIS, destroyed in order to defend Israel. Hillary admitted that was the intent in the recently released emails.
Donald Trump is currently being savaged by the Democrats and Communist/Progressive MSM, for suggesting halting all immigration from Muslim Nations. But what about halting immigration from some Muslim Nations?
Our Government is currently accepting thousands of Immigrants from known Terrorist-havens like Syria, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. How do you feel about it? Thanks.
Just for the record. I voted no to a HALT because a HALT is an admission that government cannot do it's Constitutional duties and PROPERLY vet these people. FIX THAT. Even Trump conditioned a halt to "figuring out what is going on".
However -- i don't want monstrous immigration from these countries under current conditions.
A HALT would make it impossible to rescue "American sympathizers" from the messes we created in Iraq, Afghan, Somalia and other badly handled interventions. People who ASSISTED us while we WERE there are now valid humanitarian refugees. We owe those people.. And turning our backs on them would be a mistake.
Donald Trump is currently being savaged by the Democrats and Communist/Progressive MSM, for suggesting halting all immigration from Muslim Nations. But what about halting immigration from some Muslim Nations?
Our Government is currently accepting thousands of Immigrants from known Terrorist-havens like Syria, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. How do you feel about it? Thanks.
Just for the record. I voted no to a HALT because a HALT is an admission that government cannot do it's Constitutional duties and PROPERLY vet these people. FIX THAT. Even Trump conditioned a halt to "figuring out what is going on".
However -- i don't want monstrous immigration from these countries under current conditions.
A HALT would make it impossible to rescue "American sympathizers" from the messes we created in Iraq, Afghan, Somalia and other badly handled interventions. People who ASSISTED us while we WERE there are now valid humanitarian refugees. We owe those people.. And turning our backs on them would be a mistake.
Yes sir
Especially Syria a country the US , and its ally ISIS, destroyed in order to defend Israel. Hillary admitted that was the intent in the recently released emails.
Yeah, their interfering in the Syrian Civil War has led to so many more Syrians and Iraqis being slaughtered. They backed some very bad folks over there. Much of the money, weapons, and training led to the creation of ISIS.
The U.S. and Saudi Arabia are the main culprits in it. But Turkey and other nations in the region have contributed as well. It was all about 'Regime Change.' They wanted Assad dead. What a horrific mess.
Donald Trump is currently being savaged by the Democrats and Communist/Progressive MSM, for suggesting halting all immigration from Muslim Nations. But what about halting immigration from some Muslim Nations?
Our Government is currently accepting thousands of Immigrants from known Terrorist-havens like Syria, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. How do you feel about it? Thanks.
Just for the record. I voted no to a HALT because a HALT is an admission that government cannot do it's Constitutional duties and PROPERLY vet these people. FIX THAT. Even Trump conditioned a halt to "figuring out what is going on".
However -- i don't want monstrous immigration from these countries under current conditions.
A HALT would make it impossible to rescue "American sympathizers" from the messes we created in Iraq, Afghan, Somalia and other badly handled interventions. People who ASSISTED us while we WERE there are now valid humanitarian refugees. We owe those people.. And turning our backs on them would be a mistake.
Where does the Constitution require us to admit any of them? What do we have to gain?
SJ, Mateen's parents emigrated during either Carter or Reagan. My friend, we will probably always disagree on a lot of issues, but if we don't face facts squarely without the clutter of rumor, illogical innuendo and wishful thinking, how can we change anything. We have to work together, without a way-back machine, or the coulda, woulda, shoulda, using history as a tool, not a cudgel. Think we can do this..or is our division unrepairable?It would have stopped this attack if his parents had not been allowed to enter.SJ, simply pointing out that the hysteria to stop immigration certainly wasn't an answer for the massacre suffered in Orlando. And I believe I acknowledged that tight controlled vetting is necessary for immigrants from the so-called Muslim nations. SJ can we stop coming out of our corners fighting? Lets not make this either/or.So why bother to prevent any FUTURE attacks? Is that your argument?Umm,Paul? If immigration were immediately stopped from the countries you mention, would that have prevented this mass murder? Would it have stopped Virginia Tech? Sandy Hook? Tucson? Aurora? Columbine? Oklahoma? I agree that the utmost caution in vetting prospective immigrants is necessary for the time being, but hysterics is a danger too. This dirtbag was American born, a natural citizen. In our zeal, lets take care to avoid an 'Ox Bow Incident'.Donald Trump is currently being savaged by the Democrats and Communist/Progressive MSM, for suggesting halting all immigration from Muslim Nations. But what about halting immigration from some Muslim Nations?
Our Government is currently accepting thousands of Immigrants from known Terrorist-havens like Syria, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. How do you feel about it? Thanks.
SJ, Mateen's parents emigrated during either Carter or Reagan. My friend, we will probably always disagree on a lot of issues, but if we don't face facts squarely without the clutter of rumor, illogical innuendo and wishful thinking, how can we change anything. We have to work together, without a way-back machine, or the coulda, woulda, shoulda, using history as a tool, not a cudgel. Think we can do this..or is our division unrepairable?It would have stopped this attack if his parents had not been allowed to enter.SJ, simply pointing out that the hysteria to stop immigration certainly wasn't an answer for the massacre suffered in Orlando. And I believe I acknowledged that tight controlled vetting is necessary for immigrants from the so-called Muslim nations. SJ can we stop coming out of our corners fighting? Lets not make this either/or.So why bother to prevent any FUTURE attacks? Is that your argument?Umm,Paul? If immigration were immediately stopped from the countries you mention, would that have prevented this mass murder? Would it have stopped Virginia Tech? Sandy Hook? Tucson? Aurora? Columbine? Oklahoma? I agree that the utmost caution in vetting prospective immigrants is necessary for the time being, but hysterics is a danger too. This dirtbag was American born, a natural citizen. In our zeal, lets take care to avoid an 'Ox Bow Incident'.
Yes, of course we can't go back in time and take back allowing this guy's nut bag father into the country, but what we CAN do is use past events to shape our future policies. Using hindsight it would be awful hard to pretend like letting this guy's father into the country was anything but a mistake. Shouldn't we learn from our mistakes? Don't you learn from mistakes in your personal life? If you date a crazy woman who robs you blind and kills your pet, aren't you a little more cautious about who you date in the future, or do you just throw up your hands and say "that was in the past, we can't change the past?"
I would halt all immigration for five years. All of it.
Donald Trump is currently being savaged by the Democrats and Communist/Progressive MSM, for suggesting halting all immigration from Muslim Nations. But what about halting immigration from some Muslim Nations?
Our Government is currently accepting thousands of Immigrants from known Terrorist-havens like Syria, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. How do you feel about it? Thanks.
Just for the record. I voted no to a HALT because a HALT is an admission that government cannot do it's Constitutional duties and PROPERLY vet these people. FIX THAT. Even Trump conditioned a halt to "figuring out what is going on".
However -- i don't want monstrous immigration from these countries under current conditions.
A HALT would make it impossible to rescue "American sympathizers" from the messes we created in Iraq, Afghan, Somalia and other badly handled interventions. People who ASSISTED us while we WERE there are now valid humanitarian refugees. We owe those people.. And turning our backs on them would be a mistake.
Where does the Constitution require us to admit any of them? What do we have to gain?
Umm,Paul? If immigration were immediately stopped from the countries you mention, would that have prevented this mass murder? Would it have stopped Virginia Tech? Sandy Hook? Tucson? Aurora? Columbine? Oklahoma? I agree that the utmost caution in vetting prospective immigrants is necessary for the time being, but hysterics is a danger too. This dirtbag was American born, a natural citizen. In our zeal, lets take care to avoid an 'Ox Bow Incident'.Donald Trump is currently being savaged by the Democrats and Communist/Progressive MSM, for suggesting halting all immigration from Muslim Nations. But what about halting immigration from some Muslim Nations?
Our Government is currently accepting thousands of Immigrants from known Terrorist-havens like Syria, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. How do you feel about it? Thanks.
I hear ya, but our Immigration System is in shambles. Our Government is allowing thousands in from Islamic Terrorism-havens. It's a pretty scary situation. Personally, i would support a temporary pause on all Immigration. The System is clearly broken. Pause and take some time to reform it.
Donald Trump is currently being savaged by the Democrats and Communist/Progressive MSM, for suggesting halting all immigration from Muslim Nations. But what about halting immigration from some Muslim Nations?
Our Government is currently accepting thousands of Immigrants from known Terrorist-havens like Syria, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. How do you feel about it? Thanks.
Just for the record. I voted no to a HALT because a HALT is an admission that government cannot do it's Constitutional duties and PROPERLY vet these people. FIX THAT. Even Trump conditioned a halt to "figuring out what is going on".
However -- i don't want monstrous immigration from these countries under current conditions.
A HALT would make it impossible to rescue "American sympathizers" from the messes we created in Iraq, Afghan, Somalia and other badly handled interventions. People who ASSISTED us while we WERE there are now valid humanitarian refugees. We owe those people.. And turning our backs on them would be a mistake.
Where does the Constitution require us to admit any of them? What do we have to gain?
What we have to gain is showing the Iraqis and Afghans and now some Syrians -- that if you stuck your necks out to help us when we were fighting or occupying your country, that we won't abandon you now that you are hunted and abused.
Constitution calls for establishing normal immigration and naturalization. Under the circumstances --- if you cannot screen by NORMAL methods because their host country and their records are gone --- you should NOT be accepting waves of immigrants from a terrorist infested state..
But like I said -- A HALT -- is going too far and would be abused. And THAT is most likely UNConstitutional to make RELIGION any part of that criteria. If you go by countries --- Saudi would have to be on that list. You do that and our asses better not show in the Mid East for a couple centuries..
Yes but his parents were not! If the ban was in effect back then the shooter would not have been born here eitherYa know the Orlando shooter was born here right?
Nobody is talking about dwelling on the past, we're talking about stopping terrorism NOW, and in the future. We are supposed to learn from our mistakes, not continue to make the same ones over and over. If you have a dog that bites you every time you try to pet him you stop trying to pet him. What is so hard to understand about that? Why should we continue to import people who are likely to murder our citizens?SJ, Mateen's parents emigrated during either Carter or Reagan. My friend, we will probably always disagree on a lot of issues, but if we don't face facts squarely without the clutter of rumor, illogical innuendo and wishful thinking, how can we change anything. We have to work together, without a way-back machine, or the coulda, woulda, shoulda, using history as a tool, not a cudgel. Think we can do this..or is our division unrepairable?It would have stopped this attack if his parents had not been allowed to enter.SJ, simply pointing out that the hysteria to stop immigration certainly wasn't an answer for the massacre suffered in Orlando. And I believe I acknowledged that tight controlled vetting is necessary for immigrants from the so-called Muslim nations. SJ can we stop coming out of our corners fighting? Lets not make this either/or.So why bother to prevent any FUTURE attacks? Is that your argument?Umm,Paul? If immigration were immediately stopped from the countries you mention, would that have prevented this mass murder? Would it have stopped Virginia Tech? Sandy Hook? Tucson? Aurora? Columbine? Oklahoma? I agree that the utmost caution in vetting prospective immigrants is necessary for the time being, but hysterics is a danger too. This dirtbag was American born, a natural citizen. In our zeal, lets take care to avoid an 'Ox Bow Incident'.Donald Trump is currently being savaged by the Democrats and Communist/Progressive MSM, for suggesting halting all immigration from Muslim Nations. But what about halting immigration from some Muslim Nations?
Our Government is currently accepting thousands of Immigrants from known Terrorist-havens like Syria, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. How do you feel about it? Thanks.
No 1 & 2 is all we need to do, but glad to see you are being creative.(3) dig up Ali and dump him in the ocean.Absolutely and we should also take the following steps:Donald Trump is currently being savaged by the Democrats and Communist/Progressive MSM, for suggesting halting all immigration from Muslim Nations. But what about halting immigration from some Muslim Nations?
Our Government is currently accepting thousands of Immigrants from known Terrorist-havens like Syria, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. How do you feel about it? Thanks.
(1) Kick the 2 Muzzies out of congress
(2) Deport all Muzzies
(4) take back all Jabbar's trophies and rings
(5) scrutinize Tony Shaloub, he could be a secret one
(6) regurgitate pre-digested Fox & Friends Trumpisms
