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Well, it could certainly be that I don't understand the context.I think you're only paying attention to part of what has been said, or you don't understand the context some try to convey.Sure, I'll say it yet again:Make your point then.Okay, never mind. We can play this game all day, but I already know the answer.Canada is living off of its neighbor. Venezuela's neighbors are broke.Anything else?
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I have a job I have to deal with.
1. The Right doesn't realize that the term "socialism" is scaring fewer and fewer people, and it's their own fault. Just as the Left has diluted the term "racism" into nothing. Or anything.
2. Economic systems exist on a continuum. There are clear economic differences between Cuba and Canada, for example, and for some reason the Right won't admit it.
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Cuba is a Communist country, which cannot be compared to Canada. Canada is not a pure Socialist country, however they have flaws like any Socialist country. One of them is with their health care system, which to my understanding is inadequate for their needs. They can't handle a mass of refugees plugged into their system.
Social Democracy is a fraud.Well, it could certainly be that I don't understand the context.I think you're only paying attention to part of what has been said, or you don't understand the context some try to convey.Sure, I'll say it yet again:Make your point then.Okay, never mind. We can play this game all day, but I already know the answer.Canada is living off of its neighbor. Venezuela's neighbors are broke.
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I have a job I have to deal with.
1. The Right doesn't realize that the term "socialism" is scaring fewer and fewer people, and it's their own fault. Just as the Left has diluted the term "racism" into nothing. Or anything.
2. Economic systems exist on a continuum. There are clear economic differences between Cuba and Canada, for example, and for some reason the Right won't admit it.
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Cuba is a Communist country, which cannot be compared to Canada. Canada is not a pure Socialist country, however they have flaws like any Socialist country. One of them is with their health care system, which to my understanding is inadequate for their needs. They can't handle a mass of refugees plugged into their system.
I never hear the distinction between socialism and social democracy from the Right. There is a clear difference, but they're constantly conflated. So I'm not sure if these people don't understand the difference, or don't want to.
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In a capitalist system value isn't determined until the sale due to market forces. But in a socialist system, the value is known before the sale. Market factors don't come into play. There is no selling yourself short, unless maybe you produce something with no use value.This is just as true for a socialist system of production as it is for a capitalist one. There is no distinction as you had previously suggested.
The difference is in how the value is determined for the whole and also for each part. In a socialist system it is not left to the whims of the market. It is determined by socially necessary labor time.
I didn't make any distinction other than the social side is people while the capital side is money.
It doesn't matter how you want to value anything ... Value isn't recognized until the sell.
How closely your investments are to the sell ... The closer you are to actual value.
It doesn't matter if you are socialist or a capitalist if you sell yourself short.
The market doesn't care what arbitrary value you want to assign to anything other than the sell and actual value ...
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Well, there ya go, that's my point.Social Democracy is a fraud.Well, it could certainly be that I don't understand the context.I think you're only paying attention to part of what has been said, or you don't understand the context some try to convey.Sure, I'll say it yet again:Make your point then.Okay, never mind. We can play this game all day, but I already know the answer.
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I have a job I have to deal with.
1. The Right doesn't realize that the term "socialism" is scaring fewer and fewer people, and it's their own fault. Just as the Left has diluted the term "racism" into nothing. Or anything.
2. Economic systems exist on a continuum. There are clear economic differences between Cuba and Canada, for example, and for some reason the Right won't admit it.
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Cuba is a Communist country, which cannot be compared to Canada. Canada is not a pure Socialist country, however they have flaws like any Socialist country. One of them is with their health care system, which to my understanding is inadequate for their needs. They can't handle a mass of refugees plugged into their system.
I never hear the distinction between socialism and social democracy from the Right. There is a clear difference, but they're constantly conflated. So I'm not sure if these people don't understand the difference, or don't want to.
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It's just Progressives trying to make Socialism sound less threatening.
My understanding was you were blaming the right for this.Well, there ya go, that's my point.Social Democracy is a fraud.Well, it could certainly be that I don't understand the context.I think you're only paying attention to part of what has been said, or you don't understand the context some try to convey.Sure, I'll say it yet again:Make your point then.
I have a job I have to deal with.
1. The Right doesn't realize that the term "socialism" is scaring fewer and fewer people, and it's their own fault. Just as the Left has diluted the term "racism" into nothing. Or anything.
2. Economic systems exist on a continuum. There are clear economic differences between Cuba and Canada, for example, and for some reason the Right won't admit it.
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Cuba is a Communist country, which cannot be compared to Canada. Canada is not a pure Socialist country, however they have flaws like any Socialist country. One of them is with their health care system, which to my understanding is inadequate for their needs. They can't handle a mass of refugees plugged into their system.
I never hear the distinction between socialism and social democracy from the Right. There is a clear difference, but they're constantly conflated. So I'm not sure if these people don't understand the difference, or don't want to.
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It's just Progressives trying to make Socialism sound less threatening.
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I never hear the distinction between socialism and social democracy from the Right.
I'm just saying the Right doesn't understand that they have so over-used the word that it now isn't scaring people. Just like the Left did with "racism". Once again, the two ends are similar in their behaviors.My understanding was you were blaming the right for this.Well, there ya go, that's my point.Social Democracy is a fraud.Well, it could certainly be that I don't understand the context.I think you're only paying attention to part of what has been said, or you don't understand the context some try to convey.Sure, I'll say it yet again:
1. The Right doesn't realize that the term "socialism" is scaring fewer and fewer people, and it's their own fault. Just as the Left has diluted the term "racism" into nothing. Or anything.
2. Economic systems exist on a continuum. There are clear economic differences between Cuba and Canada, for example, and for some reason the Right won't admit it.
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Cuba is a Communist country, which cannot be compared to Canada. Canada is not a pure Socialist country, however they have flaws like any Socialist country. One of them is with their health care system, which to my understanding is inadequate for their needs. They can't handle a mass of refugees plugged into their system.
I never hear the distinction between socialism and social democracy from the Right. There is a clear difference, but they're constantly conflated. So I'm not sure if these people don't understand the difference, or don't want to.
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It's just Progressives trying to make Socialism sound less threatening.
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DEMOCRATS are trying to render Socialism Harmless.
In a capitalist system value isn't determined until the sale due to market forces. But in a socialist system, the value is known before the sale. Market factors don't come into play. There is no selling yourself short, unless maybe you produce something with no use value.
I'm speaking theoretically, I don't think it has ever been done in practice, but yes you can know the value before the sell in a socialist system. The value would be equal to the socially necessary labor time needed to produce the product.Value is never known before the sell ... In any system.
I'm speaking theoretically, I don't think it has ever been done in practice, but yes you can know the value before the sell in a socialist system. The value would be equal to the socially necessary labor time needed to produce the product.
How is it that out of all these people who feel they are able to speak on the defining qualities of socialism, none have the slightest understanding of Marx, the most prominent figure in socialist theory.
Let me remind you.......very little is discussed in the political discourse unless the media first brings it up.I'm just saying the Right doesn't understand that they have so over-used the word that it now isn't scaring people. Just like the Left did with "racism". Once again, the two ends are similar in their behaviors.My understanding was you were blaming the right for this.Well, there ya go, that's my point.Social Democracy is a fraud.Well, it could certainly be that I don't understand the context.I think you're only paying attention to part of what has been said, or you don't understand the context some try to convey.
Cuba is a Communist country, which cannot be compared to Canada. Canada is not a pure Socialist country, however they have flaws like any Socialist country. One of them is with their health care system, which to my understanding is inadequate for their needs. They can't handle a mass of refugees plugged into their system.
I never hear the distinction between socialism and social democracy from the Right. There is a clear difference, but they're constantly conflated. So I'm not sure if these people don't understand the difference, or don't want to.
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It's just Progressives trying to make Socialism sound less threatening.
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DEMOCRATS are trying to render Socialism Harmless.
Equating real socialism with democratic socialism is like equating conservatism with strict libertarianism. It's simplistic and shallow and just not accurate, but I guess that's the nature of partisan politics.
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sadly, leftists don't care about the absolute horrors of socialism, they just want the power that comes with it.
Or we are just tired of the horrors of Corporatism...
When more Americans realize what Democrats are and what they want to turn the United States into is VENEZUELA more Democrats will begin to walk out on the new Democratic Socialist Party.Our conservative posters continue to start thread after thread pertaining to "socialism". And even though their exact definitions are fairly unclear, it's obvious they think that screaming SOCIALISM is, by itself, enough to win a debate.
As most of us can see, more and more people are becoming perfectly comfortable with the word - in part, no doubt, because the Right has completely over-used and diluted it.
How long before the Right realizes the term "socialism" no longer scares people?
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Like our super low unemployment rate and lowest minority unemployment rate ever.
Nope my argument is capitalism = jobs.Like our super low unemployment rate and lowest minority unemployment rate ever.
So you are saying we should ignore the no less than six recessions I've seen in my lifetime because, hey, Trump hasn't driven us into a recession yet? Is this your argument?
Because it's kind of retarded, even for you.
Nope my argument is capitalism = jobs.
There is no disputing it.
Capitalism is the economic engine of job creation. The only business requiring no employees is capital itself.Nope my argument is capitalism = jobs.
There is no disputing it.
That's actually kind of a stupid argument.
The absolute best business in the world is the one that requires no employees. It's all profits!!! Employees are an expense. It's why they end up being the first thing cut when a recession breaks out.
You just aren't all that smart, are you?
Capitalism is the economic engine of job creation. The only business requiring no employees is capital itself.
