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[earlycuyler]

Definitions of what constitutes murder in the state of FL:

782.02* Justifiable use of deadly force.

782.03* Excusable homicide.

782.035* Abrogation of common-law rule of evidence known as "year-and-a-day rule".

782.04* Murder.

782.051* Attempted felony murder.

782.07* Manslaughter; aggravated manslaughter of an elderly person or disabled adult; aggravated manslaughter of a child; aggravated manslaughter of an officer, a firefighter, an emergency medical technician, or a paramedic.

782.071* Vehicular homicide.

782.072* Vessel homicide.

782.08* Assisting self-murder.

782.081* Commercial exploitation of self-murder.

782.09* Killing of unborn child by injury to mother.

782.11* Unnecessary killing to prevent unlawful act.

782.30* Short title.

782.32* Definitions.

782.34* Partial-birth abortion.

782.36* Exceptions.

782.02* Justifiable use of deadly force.--The use of deadly force is justifiable when a person is resisting any attempt to murder such person or to commit any felony upon him or her or upon or in any dwelling house in which such person shall be.

History.--ss. 4, 5, ch. 1637, 1868; RS 2378; ch. 4967, 1901; s. 1, ch. 4964, 1901; GS 3203; RGS 5033; CGL 7135; s. 66, ch. 74-383; s. 1, ch. 75-24; s. 45, ch. 75-298; s. 1197, ch. 97-102.

782.03* Excusable homicide.--Homicide is excusable when committed by accident and misfortune in doing any lawful act by lawful means with usual ordinary caution, and without any unlawful intent, or by accident and misfortune in the heat of passion, upon any sudden and sufficient provocation, or upon a sudden combat, without any dangerous weapon being used and not done in a cruel or unusual manner.

History.--s. 6, ch. 1637, 1868; RS 2379; GS 3204; RGS 5034; CGL 7136; s. 1, ch. 75-13.

782.035* Abrogation of common-law rule of evidence known as "year-and-a-day rule".--The common-law rule of evidence applicable to homicide prosecutions known as the "year-and-a-day rule," which provides a conclusive presumption that an injury is not the cause of death or that whether it is the cause cannot be discerned if the interval between the infliction of the injury and the victim's death exceeds a year and a day, is hereby abrogated and does not apply in this state.

History.--s. 1, ch. 88-39.

782.04* Murder.--

(1)(a)**The unlawful killing of a human being:

1.**When perpetrated from a premeditated design to effect the death of the person killed or any human being;

2.**When committed by a person engaged in the perpetration of, or in the attempt to perpetrate, any:

a.**Trafficking offense prohibited by s. 893.135(1),

b.**Arson,

c.**Sexual battery,

d.**Robbery,

e.**Burglary,

f.**Kidnapping,

g.**Escape,

h.**Aggravated child abuse,

i.**Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult,

j.**Aircraft piracy,

k.**Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb,

l.**Carjacking,

m.**Home-invasion robbery,

n.**Aggravated stalking,

o.**Murder of another human being,

p.**Resisting an officer with violence to his or her person,

q.**Felony that is an act of terrorism or is in furtherance of an act of terrorism; or

3.**Which resulted from the unlawful distribution of any substance controlled under s. 893.03(1), cocaine as described in s. 893.03(2)(a)4., or opium or any synthetic or natural salt, compound, derivative, or preparation of opium by a person 18 years of age or older, when such drug is proven to be the proximate cause of the death of the user,

is murder in the first degree and constitutes a capital felony, punishable as provided in s. 775.082.

(b)**In all cases under this section, the procedure set forth in s. 921.141 shall be followed in order to determine sentence of death or life imprisonment.

(2)**The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(3)**When a person is killed in the perpetration of, or in the attempt to perpetrate, any:

(a)**Trafficking offense prohibited by s. 893.135(1),

(b)**Arson,

(c)**Sexual battery,

(d)**Robbery,

(e)**Burglary,

(f)**Kidnapping,

(g)**Escape,

(h)**Aggravated child abuse,

(i)**Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult,

(j)**Aircraft piracy,

(k)**Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb,

(l)**Carjacking,

(m)**Home-invasion robbery,

(n)**Aggravated stalking,

(o)**Murder of another human being,

(p)**Resisting an officer with violence to his or her person, or

(q)**Felony that is an act of terrorism or is in furtherance of an act of terrorism,

by a person other than the person engaged in the perpetration of or in the attempt to perpetrate such felony, the person perpetrating or attempting to perpetrate such felony is guilty of murder in the second degree, which constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(4)**The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated without any design to effect death, by a person engaged in the perpetration of, or in the attempt to perpetrate, any felony other than any:

(a)**Trafficking offense prohibited by s. 893.135(1),

(b)**Arson,

(c)**Sexual battery,

(d)**Robbery,

(e)**Burglary,

(f)**Kidnapping,

(g)**Escape,

(h)**Aggravated child abuse,

(i)**Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult,

(j)**Aircraft piracy,

(k)**Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb,

(l)**Unlawful distribution of any substance controlled under s. 893.03(1), cocaine as described in s. 893.03(2)(a)4., or opium or any synthetic or natural salt, compound, derivative, or preparation of opium by a person 18 years of age or older, when such drug is proven to be the proximate cause of the death of the user,

(m)**Carjacking,

(n)**Home-invasion robbery,

(o)**Aggravated stalking,

(p)**Murder of another human being,

(q)**Resisting an officer with violence to his or her person, or

(r)**Felony that is an act of terrorism or is in furtherance of an act of terrorism,

is murder in the third degree and constitutes a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(5)**As used in this section, the term "terrorism" means an activity that:

(a)1.**Involves a violent act or an act dangerous to human life which is a violation of the criminal laws of this state or of the United States; or

2.**Involves a violation of s. 815.06; and

(b)**Is intended to:

1.**Intimidate, injure, or coerce a civilian population;

2.**Influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

3.**Affect the conduct of government through destruction of property, assassination, murder, kidnapping, or aircraft piracy.

History.--s. 2, ch. 1637, 1868; RS 2380; GS 3205; RGS 5035; s. 1, ch. 8470, 1921; CGL 7137; s. 1, ch. 28023, 1953; s. 712, ch. 71-136; s. 3, ch. 72-724; s. 14, ch. 74-383; s. 6, ch. 75-298; s. 1, ch. 76-141; s. 290, ch. 79-400; s. 1, ch. 82-4; s. 1, ch. 82-69; s. 1, ch. 84-16; s. 6, ch. 87-243; ss. 2, 4, ch. 89-281; s. 4, ch. 90-112; s. 3, ch. 93-212; s. 11, ch. 95-195; s. 18, ch. 96-322; s. 1, ch. 98-417; s. 10, ch. 99-188; s. 16, ch. 2000-320; s. 2, ch. 2001-236; s. 2, ch. 2001-357; s. 1, ch. 2002-212.

782.051* Attempted felony murder.--

(1)**Any person who perpetrates or attempts to perpetrate any felony enumerated in s. 782.04(3) and who commits, aids, or abets an intentional act that is not an essential element of the felony and that could, but does not, cause the death of another commits a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life, or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, which is an offense ranked in level 9 of the Criminal Punishment Code. Victim injury points shall be scored under this subsection.

(2)**Any person who perpetrates or attempts to perpetrate any felony other than a felony enumerated in s. 782.04(3) and who commits, aids, or abets an intentional act that is not an essential element of the felony and that could, but does not, cause the death of another commits a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, which is an offense ranked in level 8 of the Criminal Punishment Code. Victim injury points shall be scored under this subsection.

(3)**When a person is injured during the perpetration of or the attempt to perpetrate any felony enumerated in s. 782.04(3) by a person other than the person engaged in the perpetration of or the attempt to perpetrate such felony, the person perpetrating or attempting to perpetrate such felony commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, which is an offense ranked in level 7 of the Criminal Punishment Code. Victim injury points shall be scored under this subsection.

History.--s. 1, ch. 96-359; s. 18, ch. 97-194; s. 12, ch. 98-204; s. 4, ch. 2001-236.

782.07* Manslaughter; aggravated manslaughter of an elderly person or disabled adult; aggravated manslaughter of a child; aggravated manslaughter of an officer, a firefighter, an emergency medical technician, or a paramedic.--

(1)**The killing of a human being by the act, procurement, or culpable negligence of another, without lawful justification according to the provisions of chapter 776 and in cases in which such killing shall not be excusable homicide or murder, according to the provisions of this chapter, is manslaughter, a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(2)**A person who causes the death of any elderly person or disabled adult by culpable negligence under s. 825.102(3) commits aggravated manslaughter of an elderly person or disabled adult, a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(3)**A person who causes the death of any person under the age of 18 by culpable negligence under s. 827.03(3) commits aggravated manslaughter of a child, a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(4)**A person who causes the death, through culpable negligence, of an officer as defined in s. 943.10(14), a firefighter as defined in s. 112.191, an emergency medical technician as defined in s. 401.23, or a paramedic as defined in s. 401.23, while the officer, firefighter, emergency medical technician, or paramedic is performing duties that are within the course of his or her employment, commits aggravated manslaughter of an officer, a firefighter, an emergency medical technician, or a paramedic, a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

History.--RS 2384; GS 3209; RGS 5039; CGL 7141; s. 715, ch. 71-136; s. 180, ch. 73-333; s. 15, ch. 74-383; s. 6, ch. 75-298; s. 12, ch. 96-322; s. 2, ch. 2002-74.

782.071* Vehicular homicide.--"Vehicular homicide" is the killing of a human being, or the killing of a viable fetus by any injury to the mother, caused by the operation of a motor vehicle by another in a reckless manner likely to cause the death of, or great bodily harm to, another.

(1)**Vehicular homicide is:

(a)**A felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(b)**A felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, if:

1.**At the time of the accident, the person knew, or should have known, that the accident occurred; and

2.**The person failed to give information and render aid as required by s. 316.062.

This paragraph does not require that the person knew that the accident resulted in injury or death.

(2)**For purposes of this section, a fetus is viable when it becomes capable of meaningful life outside the womb through standard medical measures.

(3)**A right of action for civil damages shall exist under s. 768.19, under all circumstances, for all deaths described in this section.

(4)**In addition to any other punishment, the court may order the person to serve 120 community service hours in a trauma center or hospital that regularly receives victims of vehicle accidents, under the supervision of a registered nurse, an emergency room physician, or an emergency medical technician pursuant to a voluntary community service program operated by the trauma center or hospital.

History.--s. 16, ch. 74-383; s. 6, ch. 75-298; s. 12, ch. 86-296; s. 14, ch. 96-330; s. 9, ch. 98-417; s. 1, ch. 99-153; s. 2, ch. 2001-147.

782.072* Vessel homicide.--"Vessel homicide" is the killing of a human being by the operation of a vessel as defined in s. 327.02 by another in a reckless manner likely to cause the death of, or great bodily harm to, another. Vessel homicide is:

(1)**A felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(2)**A felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, if:

(a)**At the time of the accident, the person knew, or should have known, that the accident occurred; and

(b)**The person failed to give information and render aid as required by s. 327.30(1).

This subsection does not require that the person knew that the accident resulted in injury or death.

History.--s. 1, ch. 87-20; s. 15, ch. 96-330; s. 2, ch. 99-153.

782.08* Assisting self-murder.--Every person deliberately assisting another in the commission of self-murder shall be guilty of manslaughter, a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

History.--s. 9, ch. 1637, 1868; RS 2385; GS 3210; RGS 5040; CGL 7142; s. 716, ch. 71-136.

782.081* Commercial exploitation of self-murder.--

(1)**As used in this section, the term:

(a)**"Deliberately assisting" means carrying out a public act that is intended to:

1.**Aid, abet, facilitate, permit, advocate, or encourage;

2.**Publicize, promote, advertise, operate, stage, schedule, or conduct;

3.**Provide or secure a venue, transportation, or security; or

4.**Result in the collection of an admission or fee.

(b)**"Self-murder" means the voluntary and intentional taking of one's own life. As used in this section, the term includes attempted self-murder.

(c)**"Simulated self-murder" means the artistic depiction or portrayal of self-murder which is not an actual self-murder. The term includes, but is not limited to, an artistic depiction or portrayal of self-murder in a script, play, movie, or story presented to the public or during an event.

(2)**A person may not for commercial or entertainment purposes:

(a)**Conduct any event that the person knows or reasonably should know includes an actual self-murder as a part of the event or deliberately assist in an actual self-murder.

(b)**Provide a theater, auditorium, club, or other venue or location for any event that the person knows or reasonably should know includes an actual self-murder as a part of the event.

(3)**This section does not prohibit any event during which simulated self-murder will occur.

(4)**It is not a defense to a prosecution under this section that an attempted self-murder did not result in a self-murder.

(5)**A person who violates this section commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or 1s. 775.084.

(6)**The Attorney General or any state attorney may bring a civil proceeding for declaratory, injunctive, or other relief to enforce the provisions of this section.

History.--s. 1, ch. 2004-30.

1Note.--Substituted by the editors for a reference to s. 774.084 which does not exist. Section 775.084 provides specified punishment for felonies.

782.09* Killing of unborn child by injury to mother.--The willful killing of an unborn quick child, by any injury to the mother of such child which would be murder if it resulted in the death of such mother, shall be deemed manslaughter, a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

History.--s. 10, ch. 1637, 1868; RS 2386; GS 3211; RGS 5041; CGL 7143; s. 717, ch. 71-136.

782.11* Unnecessary killing to prevent unlawful act.--Whoever shall unnecessarily kill another, either while resisting an attempt by such other person to commit any felony, or to do any other unlawful act, or after such attempt shall have failed, shall be deemed guilty of manslaughter, a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

History.--s. 13, ch. 1637, 1868; RS 2388; GS 3213; RGS 5043; CGL 7145; s. 719, ch. 71-136.

1782.30* Short title.--Sections 782.30-782.36 may be cited as the "Partial-Birth Abortion Act."

History.--s. 1, ch. 2000-142.

1Note.--Section 5, ch. 2000-142, provides that "[t]his act shall be liberally construed to effectively carry out its purposes. In the event of conflict between this act and any other provision of law, the provisions of this act shall govern."

1782.32* Definitions.--As used in this act, the term:

(1)**"Partially born" means the living fetus's intact body, with the entire head attached, is presented so that:

(a)**There has been delivered past the mother's vaginal opening:

1.**The fetus's entire head, in the case of a cephalic presentation, up until the point of complete separation from the mother whether or not the placenta has been delivered or the umbilical cord has been severed; or

2.**Any portion of the fetus's torso above the navel, in the case of a breech presentation, up until the point of complete separation from the mother whether or not the placenta has been delivered or the umbilical cord has been severed.

(b)**There has been delivered outside the mother's abdominal wall:

1.**The fetus's entire head, in the case of a cephalic presentation, up until the point of complete separation from the mother whether or not the placenta has been delivered or the umbilical cord has been severed; or

2.**Any portion of the child's torso above the navel, in the case of a breech presentation, up until the point of complete separation from the mother whether or not the placenta has been delivered or the umbilical cord has been severed.

(2)**"Living fetus" means any unborn member of the human species who has a heartbeat or discernible spontaneous movement.

(3)**"Suction or sharp curettage abortion" means an abortion, as defined in chapter 390, in which the developing fetus and the products of conception are evacuated from the uterus through a suction cannula with an attached vacuum apparatus or with a sharp curette.
1782.34* Partial-birth abortion.--Except as provided in s. 782.36, any person who intentionally kills a living fetus while that fetus is partially born commits the crime of partial-birth abortion, which is a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

History.--s. 3, ch. 2000-142.

1Note.--Section 5, ch. 2000-142, provides that "[t]his act shall be liberally construed to effectively carry out its purposes. In the event of conflict between this act and any other provision of law, the provisions of this act shall govern."

1782.36* Exceptions.--

(1)**A patient receiving a partial-birth-abortion procedure may not be prosecuted under this act.

(2)**This act does not apply to a suction or sharp curettage abortion.

(3)**This act does not constitute implicit approval of other types of abortion, which remain subject to all other applicable laws of this state.

(4)**This act does not prohibit a physician from taking such measures as are necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, provided that every reasonable precaution is also taken, in such cases, to save the fetus's life.

History.--s. 4, ch. 2000-142.

1Note.--Section 5, ch. 2000-142, provides that "[t]his act shall be liberally construed to effectively carry out its purposes. In the event of conflict between this act and any other provision of law, the provisions of this act shall govern."

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Google is wonderful. Whats your point ?

Don't worry about it. It doesn't concern you, bro.

Oops. Bro.

 

[yidnar]

We've had a lot of participants in the Zimmerman/Martin threads.

If you had to pick a jury panel for the trial, and you are interested in justice, which posters would you want deliberating?

My partial list (in no particular order):

Emma
Paperview
Gawdag
Gadfy
Me D)
Uptownliving
Bigreb
Ravi
High_Gravity


That's my list so far.

Which posters do you think would be great on a jury for this case?

sooo Zimmerman is guilty !!

 

[LockeJaw]

We've had a lot of participants in the Zimmerman/Martin threads.

If you had to pick a jury panel for the trial, and you are interested in justice, which posters would you want deliberating?

My partial list (in no particular order):

Emma
Paperview
Gawdag
Gadfy
Me D)
Uptownliving
Bigreb
Ravi
High_Gravity


That's my list so far.

Which posters do you think would be great on a jury for this case?

sooo Zimmerman is guilty !!

There are others that were picked including myself and CG. We haven't confirmed everyone on the list yet. The good thing about this is FL televises a lot of its controversial trials. This one most certainly SHOULD be.

 

[LockeJaw]

Google is wonderful. Whats your point ?

Don't worry about it. It doesn't concern you, bro.

Oops. Bro.

Indeed you made an oops... In your signature, in the last bit there in the end. You're missing a "t". Thought I'd help you out. Here:
"Oh I was a fool to plan(t)bananers on a mountain, you made sure of that. In short, thanks for nuthin'."

Have a good one, squidbilly.

 

[MeBelle]

BUMP!

Still very sad I didn't make the jury pool

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Then the case is thrown out and its a mistrial. The evidence was tampered with.

Are you insane, or just stupid? To be a partial jury how can you discuss something that wasn't submitted as evidence in court? It would be irrelevant if you talked about something you read in the news if the DA or defense attorney didn't mention it in court.

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The only evidence you have is what you are fed by a biased media. And you ask me if Im stupid or insane ? You guys would do better just starting a poll because your mock trial is not much more then parroting the trash put out by the news and race pimps.

You aren't understanding what I am saying.
If the DA or defense attorney does not discuss something about the case no matter how much the media talks about it would be irrelevant as for the board jury. We can't discuss it no matter how many times the media reports it if the courts don't use it.
Example if both the DA and defense attorney do not mention the police station video we can't discuss it until they do.

 

[Si modo]

Great input, guys!

And, I've been considering what a lot of you are saying. I think if we do this, we have to be realistic. We are all news junkies, so we ARE going to see outside influence. And, honestly, because we are a mock jury, and we've all demonstrated an ability to analyze the veracity of what the news has reported, I think we can still do it.

In fact, I think we can still do it and even discuss the case in other threads. But, when we discuss among ourselves, we agree that we only use information that is in the trial and in front of the jury. And, we agree that we will all do our best not to let the media and other information sources influence our decisions.

It's not going to be perfect, and it's not going to be real, but I think it will be an amusing exercise.

So far, our desired list of jurors is Si modo, Emma, Paperview, Gawdag, Gadfly, Bigreb, California Girl, Lockejaw, High_Gravity, Ravi, Uptownliving, and Trajan.

I propose the following alternates: Del, Intense, MeBelle , and Syrenn.

We can discuss other alternates, too.

I will send a PM to each poster informing them that they have been selected for the mock jury in this case.

I propose that they agree to the following:

1. We will be self governing, both mock jurors and alternates; and we understand that the greatest award all of us can get from this is if we all do our best to follow the guidelines we agree to follow.

2. We will only consider evidence and testimony presented at trial and while the real jury is present.

3. As we are all news junkies, we understand that we all will be exposed to media reports about the trial.

4. The mock jurors and the alternates will be equal members of this group with the only difference between the two groups is that those in the mock jurors group will have their final vote on the verdict counted.

5. We will pledge to each other that we will not allow the media reports to influence our discussions and opinions concerning the case and will each do our best to call attention to the extraneous information and not to allow that information to enter our discussion and points of arguments.

6. In breaking from the normal suggested operations of juries in the United States of America, and in the interest of keeping the thread lively and interesting, we will discuss the evidence as we become aware of it.

7. If any member believes any evidence or testimony another member presents to the group is information that is outside of what the real jury will hear or has heard, that member will tell the group. Then the group will decide, based on # 2 above, whether the group should continue discussing that information or not.

8. Of course, any member of USMB is free to post in the thread. Some of those posters may present information to the group that is not in compliance with # 2. The group will thank that other poster for their information and then inform the other poster that we cannot consider that information.

9. Invariably, there will be troll posts. Each member of the group pledges to the other members of this group that we will not be sidetracked into a troll argument and will continue to focus on the information pertaining to the trial and presented at the trial in the presence of the real jury. If we cannot resist the troll post, we pledge to start another thread on that topic.

10. We all understand that we are voluntarily participating in this exercise. We may withdraw at any time, but will let the group know immediately of our intent to leave the mock jury. At that point, the next alternate mock juror will be informed that their final vote on the case will be counted. Alternate mock jurors will be taken in alphabetical order of their usernames.

11. We will allow ourselves to participate in other threads about the trial, but will remember that we will only discuss information in compliance with # 2 above when we are in this thread.

12. If we have personal knowledge and/or experience on any topic we discuss, we will allow that input in our discussions, but we understand that we will provide supporting information to other mock jurors so that we all can be informed on that mock jurors expertise. For example, if a mock juror is personally familiar with a road intersection in Sanford, FL, and that is material information for making an intermediate decision, s/he will tell the group of that knowledge and provide supporting information about that knowledge as best s/he can.


Can you guys think of any other guideline we would all like to agree to or any edit of the above?

Once I have a final draft of the guidelines, I will send PMs to the mock jurors and alternates, and start a new thread for the mock jury and title that thread appropriately. And, when all reply and agree, we can get started.

If some of you are into more strict guidelines, I’m still open to them, of course. But I also think we need to be realistic. I believe all who have shown an interest so far are perfectly capable of following the guidelines.

 

[MeBelle]

Yeah!! I made a list!!!

Reading through the thread I love the entire concept!

Good work everyone!

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, no way I can make the list. As far as I am concerned, Zimmerman is at least guilty of manslaughter. Had he not been packing, had he not gotten out of the vehicle, had he not confronted Martin, the kid would be alive today. As a gun owner, this kind of action endangers my Second Amendment rights. For if we let people like Zimmerman get away with murder, society as a whole may decide that having armed citizens who can get away with murder is just to dangerous for the rest of us.

 

[koshergrl]

Idiots like you and the rest of the yahoos who have proudly proclaimed they have already made up their mind are the reason judges and attorneys think juries are psychotic.

 

[California Girl]

Well, no way I can make the list. As far as I am concerned, Zimmerman is at least guilty of manslaughter. Had he not been packing, had he not gotten out of the vehicle, had he not confronted Martin, the kid would be alive today. As a gun owner, this kind of action endangers my Second Amendment rights. For if we let people like Zimmerman get away with murder, society as a whole may decide that having armed citizens who can get away with murder is just to dangerous for the rest of us.

That'll be why you're not one of the jury. You prefer trial by media to trial by jury... I guess it saves lawyer fees... assuming you don't care about innocent people being sent to prison.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Can you guys think of any other guideline we would all like to agree to or any edit of the above?

1. If a moderator would agree to it, having someone to clean out way off topic posts and/or troll posts might be valuable in pruning out posts that detract from the central purpose, the examination and evaluation of evidence presented at trial.

2. I mentioned before, in a jury there is a degree of anonymity during the actual voting, would it be possible to setup a separate restricted access thread for just the juror's so votes will not be public until announced? (I guess voting could occur via PM to the "Lead Juror" as an alternative.)



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[California Girl]

Can you guys think of any other guideline we would all like to agree to or any edit of the above?

1. If a moderator would agree to it, having someone to clean out way off topic posts and/or troll posts might be valuable in pruning out posts that detract from the central purpose, the examination and evaluation of evidence presented at trial.

2. I mentioned before, in a jury there is a degree of anonymity during the actual voting, would it be possible to setup a separate restricted access thread for just the juror's so votes will not be public until announced? (I guess voting could occur via PM to the "Lead Juror" as an alternative.)



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Good thoughts. We should ask Meister or Pix for an assist with our jury duty.

 

[Emma]

So far we have you, me, Gadfly, Bigreb, Lockejaw, CG agreed to zip it until trial.

Let's see if we can get all to agree. Ravi might be a hard sell on that, though.

This should be an interesting exercise.

I'll agree, too.

what do you think of having a separate thread with just the evidence posted as it appears in trial --- without the poster's comment or bias --- just to have it all together in one place when the time comes to "deliberate"?

 

[koshergrl]

Why on earth would this thread get *special treatment*?

I.e., manipulation at the behest of a couple of posters? That would set an interesting precedent.

 

[koshergrl]

Essentially you're asking for a thread with only posts that you approve of.

Good luck with that, losers.

 

[WorldWatcher]

So far we have you, me, Gadfly, Bigreb, Lockejaw, CG agreed to zip it until trial.

Let's see if we can get all to agree. Ravi might be a hard sell on that, though.

This should be an interesting exercise.

I'll agree, too.

what do you think of having a separate thread with just the evidence posted as it appears in trial --- without the poster's comment or bias --- just to have it all together in one place when the time comes to "deliberate"?

An "Evidence Locker" could be advantageous with evidence placed their by the jurors themselves with a link (or multiple links) to information from the trial organizaed by headings, for example:

Audio Analysis
Link

Autopsy Report:
Link

Dispatcher Call:
Link
Link

Officer Smith
Link

Witness "John"
Link
Link
Link

Witness "Mary"
Link​

The jurors would be able to place evidence in the locker and organize it for quick access. (Maybe one of the alternate juror's could make the first post and keep the first post updated with organized links.)


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[California Girl]

Essentially you're asking for a thread with only posts that you approve of.

Good luck with that, losers.

You're just pissed cuz no one tapped you for jury duty.

 

[Emma]

Not to quibble with you, but you might want to consider that rule carefully. Reason being, there could be a need to consider how a detail revealed today, dovetails into what was put forward yesterday. This is a case where timelines, consistencies/inconsistencies, and some fine details may need to be compared and re-compared. We have a wide range of possibilities to distill into probabilities, until we come up with the most probable scenario for the entire chain of events that took place that night. There are a lot of possible (physically anyway) scenarios for the movements and actions of two individuals, over a distance of about a hundred yards, over a span of 5 to 7 minutes, of which the first 4 minutes and 5 seconds are on the dispatch tape. The only uncontroverted facts so far are few; we know where and how the incident began, we know it ended with one fatal gunshot, we know when the shot was fired, and who fired it. Everything else, is subject to examination, and somewhere in THAT are the details that can tell us whether this was a case of murder, or self defense. It's best that we start with as few assumptions as possible. The prosecution, and the defense, will each present their theory of how events unfolded. These will conflict, to one extent or another, so it will be up to us to sort out what we believe, and what we think has been established, beyond a reasonable doubt.

I'll add one last thought; no matter what we THINK we know about this case, it is just possible that there may be some fact or facts not yet revealed, that will turn our whole perception of this case upside down (one way or the other); we would all do well to be open to that possibility.

What I mean is if his suspension was not used as evidence that day it can't be discussed. Or something the parents may have said or if zimmerman did or didn't stop chasing martin.

Understood.The more I think about it, I'd like to keep the discussion to a minimum until all the evidence is in, then deliberate; more like a real trial; but that will only work if those not involved will keep their observations from cluttering up the thread, so we can have just the trial record to work from. Every detail is going to be potentially important, so it's going to be vital that we don't miss any.

If I may ... just occurred to me ...

The Orlando TV station that streamed the Anthony trial online was VERY organized, the videos of each day's proceedings (from jury selection to the verdict) were put up for viewing (may even still be there ... I'll check to see).

IF this station plans to stream Zimmerman's trial, I'd suggest that jurors be responsible for watching it online, either in real time or the videos archived on their website.

We'd have to promise to NOT watch videos or portions of the videos where the jury is out of the courtroom (in the Anthony trial, there were a lot of sidebars discussing issues not presented to the jury) and nor any end-of-the-day legal analyses. That would be a good way to make sure we all have the same facts and that what we're discussing is an accurate account of what actually happened in the trial. Depending on someone to post each day's events could lead to facts being overlooked or misinterpreted, not that it would be intentional of course. This way we can get it first-hand. And no discussion until the case goes to jury.

 

[Emma]

IF this (or any outlet) streams the trial , then we can take notes on what we see and hear, just as a 'real' juror does during a trial.