Prescription drug prices have doubled in 7 years. Republicans will of course do jack shit about it

[WildBillKelsoe]

Wages have remained flat for decades. The cost of living only goes up. Democrats address these issues - republcans don't.

Why does anyone bother with a party that only serves to coddle the rich? I mean seriously. At what point will you people get it? Only government legislation can fix these problems. Rather than accepting this obvious logic, you Rightwingers hold on to this sorry philosophy that Big Pharma and the rest of the private sector can do whatever it wants. It just boggles my mind you people will buy into whatever republcans in office will tell you. NONE of these republican candidates will address this issue. None of them. Get a goddamn clue.

AARP: Price hikes doubled average drug price over 7 years

Why didn't the democrats do something about it when they were in charge?

 

[kaz]

Of course it does. That doesn't change the point I was making on how Europeans warp the cost. They allow pharmaceuticals to charge more than the cost of producing the pill, but they don't allow charging enough to recoup their share of the cost of creating the pill in the first place. How did you not grasp that?

Your example makes it look like the pill cost = manufacturing + R&D. The actual pill cost = manufacturing + R&D + marketing + accounting + executive pay + profit. Your example was simplistic at best - especially when R&D is only 13%. Then you lump the R&D cost per pill into a pricing structure that supposedly makes that cost a negative number.

No shit. None of that is relevant to the dynamic I was illustrating.

Explain the point I made. You don't have to agree to it. But clearly from all the fur flying you didn't get it. Prove me wrong

Of course it is. If they're undercutting the cost of R&D, that will have a negative effect on future innovation. Since manufacturing and R&D probably amount to about 20% of the price of a pill, what they're undercutting is excessive profit, corporate bureaucracy and executive compensation. I'm sure your clients think that's horrible.

And you know it's "excessive profit" not "R&D" costs how other than pulling it out of your ass, Karl? And you are wrong, so however you know that, stop listening to them

I've posted this twice already. I guess once more isn't going to kill me.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080105140107.htm

Show me something better. You know, like not from a right wing rag.

Yes, you posted that before, and it's still irrelevant to the discussion

 

[JoeNormal]

Your example makes it look like the pill cost = manufacturing + R&D. The actual pill cost = manufacturing + R&D + marketing + accounting + executive pay + profit. Your example was simplistic at best - especially when R&D is only 13%. Then you lump the R&D cost per pill into a pricing structure that supposedly makes that cost a negative number.

No shit. None of that is relevant to the dynamic I was illustrating.

Explain the point I made. You don't have to agree to it. But clearly from all the fur flying you didn't get it. Prove me wrong

Of course it is. If they're undercutting the cost of R&D, that will have a negative effect on future innovation. Since manufacturing and R&D probably amount to about 20% of the price of a pill, what they're undercutting is excessive profit, corporate bureaucracy and executive compensation. I'm sure your clients think that's horrible.

And you know it's "excessive profit" not "R&D" costs how other than pulling it out of your ass, Karl? And you are wrong, so however you know that, stop listening to them

I've posted this twice already. I guess once more isn't going to kill me.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080105140107.htm

Show me something better. You know, like not from a right wing rag.

Yes, you posted that before, and it's still irrelevant to the discussion

Pharmaceutical R&D costing half of marketing is irrelevant? Bwahahaha!

You know people enter scientific and engineering careers partly because the work tends to be interesting and it feels good to make or discover things that improve other people's lives. It's even worth something of a lesser salary not having to kowtow to shmucks or to sit through endless, boring meetings. What's not ok is when management, through gross incompetence or greed makes our jobs harder and/or steers the company in an unsustainable direction. That has happened with pharma and healthcare in general.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Take the profit out of healthcare.

Yes , take the profit out.
Lets turn it into another massive govt entitlement that loses money on a massive scale, soaks taxpayers, rewards incompetence, and impresses ignorant little marxists......

 

[JoeNormal]

Take the profit out of healthcare.

Yes , take the profit out.
Lets turn it into another massive govt entitlement that loses money on a massive scale, soaks taxpayers, rewards incompetence, and impresses ignorant little marxists......

Yeah, that's exactly what's happened in all the industrialized countries that have done it. You're so perceptive.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Another BillyFail thread turned light-beer commercial.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Yep total enrollment. I guess that shows how popular the program is huh?

Funny how when government kills the competition, funds participants and fines people who don't play, their programs are "popular"

Christ do you honestly think medical prices will go down without government intervention?

Plenty of prescriptions are cheaper now that the patents have expired.

Billy's a pro-death voter. Pharmeceutical companies should only develop drugs that the poorest customers can afford. People should spend their money on cars and TVs, not their health.

If the poorest can't afford a drug you need and are willing to pay for, you need to do the decent thing and die. The world is overpopulating anyway

You're full of shit. If you lost your job, got terminal cancer, you would be begging for the help and you know it.

What kind of help do you need for terminal cancer ?

Moron.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Plenty of prescriptions are cheaper now that the patents have expired.

Billy's a pro-death voter. Pharmeceutical companies should only develop drugs that the poorest customers can afford. People should spend their money on cars and TVs, not their health.

If the poorest can't afford a drug you need and are willing to pay for, you need to do the decent thing and die. The world is overpopulating anyway

You're full of shit. If you lost your job, got terminal cancer, you would be begging for the help and you know it.

You can bet your ass he would be begging for but that is not a problem for him because he's on welfare and medicaid. The ARC kicked him out of their sheltered workshop. They couldn't handle that violent retard.

Republicans have no problems taking government hand outs, especially the corporate ones.

Um ... so I am poor and on government welfare, which is why I am against government welfare. Seriously, of all the options to try to insult me, you picked that one? That sounded the best to you? Why?

Listen up butt plug. It's trash like you who live in trailer parks who blame your economic woes on Obama even though it was Bush who wrecked the economy. It's gluttonous trash like you who bitch about Obama yet have not problem getting your free diabetic supplies and your power scooters from Liberty Medical.

It is you and your free loading kind who suck off the government tit and this map proves it. What a pathetic loser you and your kind are.

List of largest pharmaceutical settlements - Wikipedia, the ...
Big Pharma Corps Fined $48.5 Million for Paying Doctors ...
Big Pharma's Corporate Crimes and Fines: How Can They ...

Wow....look at all those areas that were under democratic rule for so long. Good thing they don't still suck on welfare......hahahahaha

 

[jon_berzerk]

They didn't create obamadoesn'tcare.

Buy refusing to offer any better ideas or solutions to healthcare problems, republicans absolutely contributed to the Obama care situation.

why lie

the dems told the Republicans to take a back seat on it

The basic Obama care idea was an expanded version of a program ran in the state of Massachusetts if I remember correctly the gov was Mr. Romney. A republican I believe.

So to say the republicans had to take a back seat is bullshit.

Republicans chose to not participate in good faith. They had no intention of trying to change the healthcare situation of America.

It was already working great for their big money insurance company donors. Not working as well for the rest of us.

See the difference? Probably not.

so what that does not change the fact that you are begging for a republican to fix it

which of course "fix it" says it is broken

 

[jon_berzerk]

at least in the United States insurance companies pay for highly effective expensive medications

in the UK not so much

The way NICE sees it, Otezla's costs don't justify its benefit for patients. The drug's cost effectiveness ratios were "substantially over £30,000 per QALY gained" and therefore outside the price range normally considered for National Health Service (NHS) funding, according to the PharmaTimes story.

Celgene hits speed bump for Otezla in U.K. with NICE rejection

 

[jon_berzerk]

at least in the United States insurance companies for highly effective expensive medications

in the UK not so much

The way NICE sees it, Otezla's costs don't justify its benefit for patients. The drug's cost effectiveness ratios were "substantially over £30,000 per QALY gained" and therefore outside the price range normally considered for National Health Service (NHS) funding, according to the PharmaTimes story.

Celgene hits speed bump for Otezla in U.K. with NICE rejection

btw

£30,000 = 42219.00 US Dollars

in the states the same med costs $22,500

 

[bripat9643]

No shit. None of that is relevant to the dynamic I was illustrating.

Explain the point I made. You don't have to agree to it. But clearly from all the fur flying you didn't get it. Prove me wrong

Of course it is. If they're undercutting the cost of R&D, that will have a negative effect on future innovation. Since manufacturing and R&D probably amount to about 20% of the price of a pill, what they're undercutting is excessive profit, corporate bureaucracy and executive compensation. I'm sure your clients think that's horrible.

And you know it's "excessive profit" not "R&D" costs how other than pulling it out of your ass, Karl? And you are wrong, so however you know that, stop listening to them

I've posted this twice already. I guess once more isn't going to kill me.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080105140107.htm

Show me something better. You know, like not from a right wing rag.

Yes, you posted that before, and it's still irrelevant to the discussion

Pharmaceutical R&D costing half of marketing is irrelevant? Bwahahaha!

You know people enter scientific and engineering careers partly because the work tends to be interesting and it feels good to make or discover things that improve other people's lives. It's even worth something of a lesser salary not having to kowtow to shmucks or to sit through endless, boring meetings. What's not ok is when management, through gross incompetence or greed makes our jobs harder and/or steers the company in an unsustainable direction. That has happened with pharma and healthcare in general.

Where are these jobs where you don't have sit through endless boring meetings? I've never had one.

 

[bripat9643]

Whoa, a business is in business to make money! Congratulations, you figured out the obvious. How did you accomplish that amazing feat? Did you have help or figure it out on your own!

As for the rest of your Marxist drivel that loving, caring government will tend to our every need is just delusional

What a low life piece of shit you have proven yourself to be. You Ratpublicans talk about JEEEESUS. Tell me this you evil fucker. What would Jesus charge to cure a sick person. What sort of obscene profit would he make exploiting the suffering oof others? Answer the question Mr Shit For Brains.

You are such a total piece of shit that you actually believe it is good that the American medical industry makes obscene profit by exploiting disease instead of curing it. In fact you love that business model.



I would love to force you to watch the above video while beating you until you choke on your own blood.

The other part of your evil shit that defeats your own hyper-capitalist lunacy is that sick people are bad for the economy. Healthy slaves are more productive than sick ones. Do you see how fucking stupid you are? Probably not. When your banks and corporations that you love so much fucked up it was corporate socialism that bailed them out. What the people running your bank and other toxic industries need is prison but since that won't happen people like you and the corporate gangster you admire need to be purged.

Back in 1776 a piece of shit like you would be a loyalist, treasonous slug and that is what you are today. You are a clueless dumb fuck who believes that the rich know what's best for you and in your case that may be true. What's best for you is Zyklon B. It will cure everything that ails you and your kind.

Can you take Obama's cock out of your mouth and try that again? I have no idea what you just said. I got that you started with that I'm a Republican and a Christian when I'm neither, then the rest was just incomprehensible

Not a Republican or a Christian you say? OK then you have taken it to the next step. You are a Nazi. As to the rest of what I wrote.. it went over your head because you like the other righties are a DUMB FUCK!

You are defending the most heavily criminally fined industry in the world, the pharmaceutical industry. You are a special kind of stupid. Do you know who pays these criminal fines you dumb fuck? It's the consumer and taxpayer.

1. 
   In the largest settlement involving a pharmaceutical company, the British drugmaker GlaxoSmithKline agreed to plead guilty to criminal charges and pay $3 billion in fines for promoting its best-selling antidepressants for unapproved uses and failing to report safety data about a top diabetes drug, federal prosecutors ...Jul 2, 2012
   GlaxoSmithKline Agrees to Pay $3 Billion in Fraud Settlement
   www.nytimes.com/.../glaxosmithkline-agrees-to-pay-...

Then assholes like you complain about the cost of drugs. Who do you imagine is going to pay that $3 billion? That's right, you and me. Furthermore, no one was hurt, so what's the justification for the huge fine?

No one was hurt? Corporate gangsters broke the law, dangerous drugs were put on the market, people were killed and maimed and you say nobody was hurt. You are a total and complete criminal moron.

GlaxoSmithKline fined less than $100,000 for killing 14 ...

The contempt that you right wingers have for the rule of law is only eclipsed by the contempt you have for truth.

Where does the article say people were killed or maimed?

 

[Papageorgio]

Another OP blames the Republicans so he bitches thread...yawn...

Place blame where blame is due.

I do, the Democrats who haven't done jack shit about keeping prices down. The have held the Presidency for the last 7 years all but 1 1/2 the held the Senate and for 2 year held the Presidency, the Senate and the House.

 

[JoeNormal]

Of course it is. If they're undercutting the cost of R&D, that will have a negative effect on future innovation. Since manufacturing and R&D probably amount to about 20% of the price of a pill, what they're undercutting is excessive profit, corporate bureaucracy and executive compensation. I'm sure your clients think that's horrible.

And you know it's "excessive profit" not "R&D" costs how other than pulling it out of your ass, Karl? And you are wrong, so however you know that, stop listening to them

I've posted this twice already. I guess once more isn't going to kill me.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080105140107.htm

Show me something better. You know, like not from a right wing rag.

Yes, you posted that before, and it's still irrelevant to the discussion

Pharmaceutical R&D costing half of marketing is irrelevant? Bwahahaha!

You know people enter scientific and engineering careers partly because the work tends to be interesting and it feels good to make or discover things that improve other people's lives. It's even worth something of a lesser salary not having to kowtow to shmucks or to sit through endless, boring meetings. What's not ok is when management, through gross incompetence or greed makes our jobs harder and/or steers the company in an unsustainable direction. That has happened with pharma and healthcare in general.

Where are these jobs where you don't have sit through endless boring meetings? I've never had one.

Become a design engineer. There are meetings but they're few and have a point.

 

[rcfieldz]

Yeah...but I like the donuts.

 

[bripat9643]

And you know it's "excessive profit" not "R&D" costs how other than pulling it out of your ass, Karl? And you are wrong, so however you know that, stop listening to them

I've posted this twice already. I guess once more isn't going to kill me.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080105140107.htm

Show me something better. You know, like not from a right wing rag.

Yes, you posted that before, and it's still irrelevant to the discussion

Pharmaceutical R&D costing half of marketing is irrelevant? Bwahahaha!

You know people enter scientific and engineering careers partly because the work tends to be interesting and it feels good to make or discover things that improve other people's lives. It's even worth something of a lesser salary not having to kowtow to shmucks or to sit through endless, boring meetings. What's not ok is when management, through gross incompetence or greed makes our jobs harder and/or steers the company in an unsustainable direction. That has happened with pharma and healthcare in general.

Where are these jobs where you don't have sit through endless boring meetings? I've never had one.

Become a design engineer. There are meetings but they're few and have a point.

I'm a software architect. We have lots of meetings.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

The OP whines about GOP lack of action.....

What did Obama do to lower prices.....or Harry Reid ?

 

[Papageorgio]

The OP whines about GOP lack of action.....

What did Obama do to lower prices.....or Harry Reid ?

Reid would table everything the House put forth, the Republicans couldn't tackle any issue.

 

[kaz]

No shit. None of that is relevant to the dynamic I was illustrating.

Explain the point I made. You don't have to agree to it. But clearly from all the fur flying you didn't get it. Prove me wrong

Of course it is. If they're undercutting the cost of R&D, that will have a negative effect on future innovation. Since manufacturing and R&D probably amount to about 20% of the price of a pill, what they're undercutting is excessive profit, corporate bureaucracy and executive compensation. I'm sure your clients think that's horrible.

And you know it's "excessive profit" not "R&D" costs how other than pulling it out of your ass, Karl? And you are wrong, so however you know that, stop listening to them

I've posted this twice already. I guess once more isn't going to kill me.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080105140107.htm

Show me something better. You know, like not from a right wing rag.

Yes, you posted that before, and it's still irrelevant to the discussion

Pharmaceutical R&D costing half of marketing is irrelevant? Bwahahaha!

You know people enter scientific and engineering careers partly because the work tends to be interesting and it feels good to make or discover things that improve other people's lives. It's even worth something of a lesser salary not having to kowtow to shmucks or to sit through endless, boring meetings. What's not ok is when management, through gross incompetence or greed makes our jobs harder and/or steers the company in an unsustainable direction. That has happened with pharma and healthcare in general.

Strawman. I didn't say it's "irrelevant," I said it's irrelevant to the point I'm making. What is wrong with you? How can you not read and comprehend simple sentences? Do you not want your children to get a better education than the crappy government education you got so they can read and lucidly respond to simple points like you can't do?