President Trump announces new tariffs: 25% for steel, 10% for aluminum

[boedicca]

No, I don't believe. Trump sees himself as a seducer, not a predator.

Weird because his own words indicate otherwise.

Besides, who’s that fat slob ever going to seduce without just offering them access to his money?

There have always been women willing to give sex to men with money and power regardless of how ugly or fat the men may be. The women wouldn't do it if they weren't seeking some benefit for themselves.

Yeah like with Trump and Harvey Weinstein

Trump is not analogous to Weinstein, unless you have any credible evidence that he jerked off into house plants in front of horrified subordinates, or drugged and raped aspiring Apprentices.

So, is this the new measuring stick for presidential hopefuls? They didn't jerk off into houseplants? Hell, that would be about the only trait in the win column for Donnie.

I'll admit it's a very low standard, but we can thank the Progs for destroying our traditional cultural norms.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

After tariff signing, Speaker Ryan voices his objections again: "I disagree with this action and fear its unintended consequences."

Cheesehead Eating His Curds and Whey

Eddie Munster, the Wisconsin whiskbroom

 

[Wickerthing]

Weird because his own words indicate otherwise.

Besides, who’s that fat slob ever going to seduce without just offering them access to his money?

There have always been women willing to give sex to men with money and power regardless of how ugly or fat the men may be. The women wouldn't do it if they weren't seeking some benefit for themselves.

Yeah like with Trump and Harvey Weinstein

Trump is not analogous to Weinstein, unless you have any credible evidence that he jerked off into house plants in front of horrified subordinates, or drugged and raped aspiring Apprentices.

So, is this the new measuring stick for presidential hopefuls? They didn't jerk off into houseplants? Hell, that would be about the only trait in the win column for Donnie.

I'll admit it's a very low standard, but we can thank the Progs for destroying our traditional cultural norms.

"I know you are but what am I?" Herman.

 

[The Derp]

1. The median US household income is 56 k a year, the average STARTING salary for a coal miner is 60k a year. By any objective measurement, a single income that starts at above average household income, is a good job.

Starting at $60K? No, no, no, no, no. The ceiling is $60K a year according to Payscale.com. The median income for coal miners is just $44K a year. That's below both the mean and median national income, and barely qualifies for Obamacare subsidies. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, as usual.

 

[The Derp]

2. No. Appalachia is poor, which makes the purchasing power and relative value of the coal miner job all the higher.

The job you thought started at $60K, when $60K is actually the ceiling for coal worker income. But whatever, we know Appalachia is poor because it's the highest concentration of SNAP recipients in the country. In fact, the highest rate of SNAP recipients is in good old Owsley, KY which is 98% white and which 92% of residents are on SNAP.

3. Dead and Dying are two different words for a reason. THey mean different things. 40 per cent of the world's electricity production is not dying either. It might be declining, but as I said, that could mean generations of tens of thousands of good jobs. YOu might not care about those people, but I do.

It's dead, it's dying, it's irrelevant and it's not the future.

4. And losing a hostile government, could be upswings that could last decades.

Coal isn't coming back.

 

[Wickerthing]

2. No. Appalachia is poor, which makes the purchasing power and relative value of the coal miner job all the higher.

The job you thought started at $60K, when $60K is actually the ceiling for coal worker income. But whatever, we know Appalachia is poor because it's the highest concentration of SNAP recipients in the country. In fact, the highest rate of SNAP recipients is in good old Owsley, KY which is 98% white and which 92% of residents are on SNAP.

3. Dead and Dying are two different words for a reason. THey mean different things. 40 per cent of the world's electricity production is not dying either. It might be declining, but as I said, that could mean generations of tens of thousands of good jobs. YOu might not care about those people, but I do.

It's dead, it's dying, it's irrelevant and it's not the future.

4. And losing a hostile government, could be upswings that could last decades.

Coal isn't coming back.

Damn! But it worked so well as a talking point. Made working people think Trump actually cared about them. Big mistake. He cares for just one and his name is Donald. Oh, and dollar Bill

 

[Wickerthing]

You just go on believing that, if it makes you feel good.

It does.
I'm still waiting for you to post something that wasn't copied from a soap opera.

We're still waiting for you to reclaim your manhood when you surrendered it to Trump.

Huh?
You vote "D", I vote platform.
Basically, I vote for Sanders' Platform.

So you voted in the democratic primaries for Sanders?
Ha!
Are you bipolar?

Are you retarded...I've only stated this a few dozen times, moron...
Sanders and Trump had the same platform.
Voting for Trump was the same as voting for Sanders.

That may be but Sanders actually meant what he said. And he didn't have a blackmailer like Putin to make him change a plank in that platform and scare him away from doing the right thing on sanctions.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know what I find really funny? All these Trump supporters are singing his praises for signing an EO that raises tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum.

The policy has only been signed for 2 days, and yet they are saying how great it is going to be for this country, even in spite of the threats of other countries saying that this could spark a trade war. How about we wait and see what this new policy brings before saying how great it is for this country? There are many people who are saying that it will actually cost jobs for this country.

It's almost as stupid as them saying that Trump has denuclearized N. Korea, when in fact, the only thing that has been proposes is talks that are scheduled for sometime between now and May. The talks haven't even happened yet. What if N. Korea tells Trump to go screw himself? What if they don't happen at all? Are you still going to say that Trump denuclearized N. Korea then?

You guys have to calm down on what Trump says he's going to do and wait and see what he actually does and what happens as a result.

Trump supporters make me think of members of a cult. Their leader can do no wrong.

 

[ABikerSailor]

It does.
I'm still waiting for you to post something that wasn't copied from a soap opera.

We're still waiting for you to reclaim your manhood when you surrendered it to Trump.

Huh?
You vote "D", I vote platform.
Basically, I vote for Sanders' Platform.

So you voted in the democratic primaries for Sanders?
Ha!
Are you bipolar?

Are you retarded...I've only stated this a few dozen times, moron...
Sanders and Trump had the same platform.
Voting for Trump was the same as voting for Sanders.

That may be but Sanders actually meant what he said. And he didn't have a blackmailer like Putin to make him change a plank in that platform and scare him away from doing the right thing on sanctions.

Don't forget that Sanders is actually a statesman and wouldn't make the US the current joke that Trump has.

 

[Wickerthing]

You know what I find really funny? All these Trump supporters are singing his praises for signing an EO that raises tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum.

The policy has only been signed for 2 days, and yet they are saying how great it is going to be for this country, even in spite of the threats of other countries saying that this could spark a trade war. How about we wait and see what this new policy brings before saying how great it is for this country? There are many people who are saying that it will actually cost jobs for this country.

It's almost as stupid as them saying that Trump has denuclearized N. Korea, when in fact, the only thing that has been proposes is talks that are scheduled for sometime between now and May. The talks haven't even happened yet. What if N. Korea tells Trump to go screw himself? What if they don't happen at all? Are you still going to say that Trump denuclearized N. Korea then?

You guys have to calm down on what Trump says he's going to do and wait and see what he actually does and what happens as a result.

Trump supporters make me think of members of a cult. Their leader can do no wrong.

Yeah, and that is not hyperbole either. It really is a massive brainwashing of a section of America. BTW he's already back peddled on those tariffs after the actual smart people around him read him the riot act. Those smart people are a shrinking group. He now wants to dump Kelly and McMaster. I haven't seen such a turnover since breakfast. And once he's cleaned the closet and the Cabinet out of folks with reasoning skills, we'll be left with mindless, blundering, bluster. And he's gonna sit down with Un? We'll be lucky if we are still alive the next day.

 

[Correll]

You can't admit the truth about those nations's economic policies and the results of those policies because it smashes your lies.

Isn't Japan the country that you Conservative morons hold up as an example of government socialism failing because of the debt load it incurred during the 90's?

What economic policies are you even talking about? None.

1. Discussing the policies that grew their economy to First World status is valid, even if they had problems in the 90s

2. I'm discussing their predatory trade policy. Obviously.

Did Japan become a first world nation by importing a lot of shit? What about South Korea?Is the Chinese massive growth fueled by high imports?Mmmm?

Japan became a first world nation by government investing in its domestic industries.

Like I said before; you know less than nothing about this subject.[/QUOTE]


1. Your cowardly dodging of the question is noted and laughed at.

2. Your implicit admission that Japan and South Korean became first world nation though massive trade SURPLUSES, is accepted. Why do you want trade policies for the US that you know are bad for the nation and it's citizens?

3. Wow. Investing. Nice buzz word.

 

[Correll]

And Trump blinks. Facing retaliation by Canada, with whom you have a trade surplus, not a deficit, Trump will not be slapping tariffs on Canada or Mexico.

Trump said the tariff would only come off if we signed a new NAFTA deal. Trudeau said “No fucking way. We’ll retaliate with tariffs on produce and wine”. And Trump backed down, faster than cockroach scurrying out of the light.

“The Great Negotiator”! What a tool.

You know, Canada's well being is not served by having America become a Third World Shit hole, as we are well on the way too.


You've done quite well as neighbor to a successful First World America.


You really think that any change in America would likely be a change for the good, from your perspective?

Canada just signed a massive trade deal with the EU. We’re a party to the TPP, which will be signed on Thursday, and the Paris Climate Accord.

Our education system is ranked third in the world, and our corporate tax rate is 25%. Despite our weather, we’re consistently ranked as one of the best places in the world to live, and to do business. We have more personal freedom than Americans. Our government is investing in research and development as well as infrastructure. Last but not least, we have the fastest growing middle class in the world.

The EU deal was signed right after Trump became President. So right now, you need us a whole lot more than we need you.

Like I said, don’t mistake our good manners and willingness to compromise with weakness or gullibility. Had Trudeau caved to Dumb Donald on tariffs or NAFTA, he would definitely be on one-term PM.

MOre freedom? REally?

Try calling this man, a man, and see how fast you get arrested for hate speech.

Don't get me wrong. I have no ill will towards Canada. I wish you well.



Just pointing out that if America goes down in flames, it will not be as great to be our neighbor.

You call yourself a human being when you're clearly not. So what do you care how someone else self-identifies?

My post was about the lack of freedom in Canada. Obviously. Try to be less of a stupid ass.

 

[Correll]

Whomever told you the US did not subsidize industries was lying to you.

We have a trade deficit because the citizens of this country have the financial power to buy things from other countries. Just like the trade deficit you have with your grocery store.

1. I'm not sure what penny ante crap you are referring to, but if we are, the results show we are doing it very badly, and it does not change the fact that our trade policy needs drastic change.


2. German consumers aren't free to buy shit? Japanese consumers aren't free to buy shit? Chinese consumers aren't free to buy shit?

German and Japanese people are free to consume but there is no consumer culture as there is in the US. Both countries have higher savings rates than the US. The Japanese government has tried to encourage more consumption but has largely failed. China is essentially a third world country. Per capita income is closer to that of a third world country.

In the 35 years since Reagan screwed up our tax rates to Pander to the riches, our rate of saving that


8 years of Clinton. 8 years of Obama. Yet no change in the trends.


The policies that are harming US are bi-partisan policies. Both republicans and democrats.


Explain to me why a higher rate of consuming has to mean consuming IMPORTS, and not domestically produced crap.

8 years of Clinton. 8 years of Obama. Yet no change in the trends.


The policies that are harming US are bi-partisan policies. Both republicans and democrats.


Explain to me why a higher rate of consuming has to mean consuming IMPORTS, and not domestically produced crap.

Gee. You left out the intervening 8 years, didn't you? As I remember, it wasn't exactly an economic boom was it? 2 wars on the Credit card and an economy left in a complete shambles. You must have just forgot about that. Yeah, that must be it. LOL Friggin' dishonest Trump sheep.

I'm not trying to deny the role of the GOP in our current shitty Status Que.

Hence my words, stating that "both republicans and democrats" were responsible.


You are the one trying to put in all on the other side, hence my point about Clinton and Obama.


Which stands as you did not address it.


Also, my question about your position on the consumer issue, you avoided it.


Explain to me why a higher rate of consuming has to mean consuming IMPORTS, and not domestically produced crap.

 

[Correll]

8 years of Clinton. 8 years of Obama. Yet no change in the trends.


The policies that are harming US are bi-partisan policies. Both republicans and democrats.


Explain to me why a higher rate of consuming has to mean consuming IMPORTS, and not domestically produced crap.

Gee. You left out the intervening 8 years, didn't you? As I remember, it wasn't exactly an economic boom was it? 2 wars on the Credit card and an economy left in a complete shambles. You must have just forgot about that. Yeah, that must be it. LOL Friggin' dishonest Trump sheep.

GW destroyed the US and Obama did nothing.
Not it's Trump's turn to reverse GW.

You just go on believing that, if it makes you feel good.

It does.
I'm still waiting for you to post something that wasn't copied from a soap opera.

We're still waiting for you to reclaim your manhood when you surrendered it to Trump.

That was fucking stupid.

 

[Correll]

he just fullfilled another campaign promise!

Trump announces steel and aluminum tariffs Thursday over objections from advisers and Republicans

About fucking time.

You must be one of them there russians everyone is talking about because I don't think many American's with an IQ over 50 wants to pay higher prices on just about everything they purchase in the next few months not to mention the slow down in building that will result. Slow downs and higher prices eventually = loss of jobs. But who cares, right trumpie?

I take it you missed the last 30 years that did not go as the Free Traders promised?

Flagrant confirmation bias. This is also a single cause fallacy.

A twofer, nice!

The stagnation of Middle Class and Working poor wages is no confirmation bias.

The Free Traders made promises. They did not occur. There was a lot of time for that happen.


The policy has failed. Time for a new policy.

 

[SmokeALib]

We're still waiting for you to reclaim your manhood when you surrendered it to Trump.

Huh?
You vote "D", I vote platform.
Basically, I vote for Sanders' Platform.

So you voted in the democratic primaries for Sanders?
Ha!
Are you bipolar?

Are you retarded...I've only stated this a few dozen times, moron...
Sanders and Trump had the same platform.
Voting for Trump was the same as voting for Sanders.

That may be but Sanders actually meant what he said. And he didn't have a blackmailer like Putin to make him change a plank in that platform and scare him away from doing the right thing on sanctions.

Don't forget that Sanders is actually a statesman and wouldn't make the US the current joke that Trump has.

Sanders is a statesman? Obvious sarcasm. BTW, consider getting off your couch and look out your window. This economy is BOOMING.

 

[BlackSand]

Should we allow other countries like communist China to dump steel in the U.S. killing jobs for American workers? That's what liberals in this thread are saying. If China dumping steel into the U.S. was hurting illegals the liberals would be in an uproar.

Canada is dumping a shitload of government subsidized softwood and engineered softwood products on our markets.
There are far more workers in the engineered wood manufacturing business than steel and aluminum.

Screw the housing and construction costs ... Protect American jobs by making it more expensive to build a house.
Let's screw ourselves and fuck with Canada too.

.

 

[Correll]

1. The median US household income is 56 k a year, the average STARTING salary for a coal miner is 60k a year. By any objective measurement, a single income that starts at above average household income, is a good job.

Starting at $60K? No, no, no, no, no. The ceiling is $60K a year according to Payscale.com. The median income for coal miners is just $44K a year. That's below both the mean and median national income, and barely qualifies for Obamacare subsidies. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, as usual.

Fuck you.

"
Coal Dust 'Like Nicotine': Why Miners Love the Work


Nine out of 10 Appalachian men do not receive college degrees; some don't even finish high school. The average starting salary for a coal mine worker is $60,000.


"You can come right out of high school and make $70,000 a year," said Missy Perdue, 22, a stay-at-home mother whose husband, Jeff Perdue, Jr., 22, is a miner.
April Athey, 28, also says she appreciates her husband's salary, despite the risks of mining, so that she can stay at home and raise the couple's four kids, including one-year-old twins.
"

 

[Wickerthing]

he just fullfilled another campaign promise!

Trump announces steel and aluminum tariffs Thursday over objections from advisers and Republicans

About fucking time.

You must be one of them there russians everyone is talking about because I don't think many American's with an IQ over 50 wants to pay higher prices on just about everything they purchase in the next few months not to mention the slow down in building that will result. Slow downs and higher prices eventually = loss of jobs. But who cares, right trumpie?

I take it you missed the last 30 years that did not go as the Free Traders promised?

Flagrant confirmation bias. This is also a single cause fallacy.

A twofer, nice!

The stagnation of Middle Class and Working poor wages is no confirmation bias.

The Free Traders made promises. They did not occur. There was a lot of time for that happen.


The policy has failed. Time for a new policy.

But, when you just pull policies out of your ass on the fly without even consulting people with strong backgrounds in econ that are charged with making recommendations, that's wrong. Contrary to popular opinion of the 38% he's almost never the smartest guy in the room.

 

[Correll]

2. No. Appalachia is poor, which makes the purchasing power and relative value of the coal miner job all the higher.

The job you thought started at $60K, when $60K is actually the ceiling for coal worker income. But whatever, we know Appalachia is poor because it's the highest concentration of SNAP recipients in the country. In fact, the highest rate of SNAP recipients is in good old Owsley, KY which is 98% white and which 92% of residents are on SNAP.

You are jumping all over the place. Your point was that COAL MINERS are poor. I pointed out that that was not true, that APPALACHIA was poor, which makes the coal mining salaries all the more attractive relatively speaking.

3. Dead and Dying are two different words for a reason. THey mean different things. 40 per cent of the world's electricity production is not dying either. It might be declining, but as I said, that could mean generations of tens of thousands of good jobs. YOu might not care about those people, but I do.

It's dead, it's dying, it's irrelevant and it's not the future.[/QUOTE]



40% of world electricity production is not dead nor dying. YOu are a fool and a liar.


Your hostility to the good hard working people of Appalachia is odd and reveals you to be a bad person. Not that there was any doubt of that.


Does it bother you to know that you are a bad person?

4. And losing a hostile government, could be upswings that could last decades.

Coal isn't coming back.[/QUOTE]


It never left. My point stands. With the removal of active hostility from the national government. there could easily be upswings in production and employment that could last decades.