President Trump wants to cut energy assistance to the poor

[Dragonlady]

The fed gov shouldnt be subsidizing energy.
I just wish you statist dumbfucks would amend the Constitution instead of shitting all over it.

Let’s let the elderly, who have worked and paid taxes all of their lives, contributed to their communities and their country, freeze in the dark shall we?

Amend the Constitution. Did you even read the post you responded to?

Yes I did. I guess you think that helping the elderly doesn’t promote the “general welfare”.

 

[TNHarley]

Trump's leaving the poor out in the cold. OUT IN THE COLD.

impeach. Trump. NOW.

Trump once again wants to cut energy assistance to the poor

It is a States issue. The Federal government is not empowered to provide energy assistance to the populace of the states.

Actually it provides the assistance to the states themselves, who then distribute it to their populace.

Y'all bring a weak game today.

Did you seriously just go there?

I was tempted to add a pic of Tom Brady sitting on his ass wondering what just happened.

If its a state issue, that would mean funding should be coming from the STATE. Them being "distributors" is a ridiculous argument.

 

[TNHarley]

The fed gov shouldnt be subsidizing energy.
I just wish you statist dumbfucks would amend the Constitution instead of shitting all over it.

Let’s let the elderly, who have worked and paid taxes all of their lives, contributed to their communities and their country, freeze in the dark shall we?

Amend the Constitution. Did you even read the post you responded to?

Yes I did. I guess you think that helping the elderly doesn’t promote the “general welfare”.

Ahhh going to a different subject now. How quaint.
No i dont. That would be considered INDIVIDUAL assistance. Do you not understand what general means either?

 

[Pogo]

Trump's leaving the poor out in the cold. OUT IN THE COLD.

impeach. Trump. NOW.

Trump once again wants to cut energy assistance to the poor

It is a States issue. The Federal government is not empowered to provide energy assistance to the populace of the states.

Actually it provides the assistance to the states themselves, who then distribute it to their populace.

Y'all bring a weak game today.

Did you seriously just go there?

I was tempted to add a pic of Tom Brady sitting on his ass wondering what just happened.

If its a state issue, that would mean funding should be coming from the STATE. Them being "distributors" is a ridiculous argument.

That's literally how it works though. You could look it up.
The various states get funding, and each state then administers it to their populace. Ain't rocket sugery.

 

[Darkwind]

The fed gov shouldnt be subsidizing energy.
I just wish you statist dumbfucks would amend the Constitution instead of shitting all over it.

Let’s let the elderly, who have worked and paid taxes all of their lives, contributed to their communities and their country, freeze in the dark shall we?

No one has said that. This is why it is impossible to have a conversation with anyone on the left.

Tell Me, why doesn't a red flag go off in your head when you hear that people cannot survive without the help of government?

 

[TNHarley]

It is a States issue. The Federal government is not empowered to provide energy assistance to the populace of the states.

Actually it provides the assistance to the states themselves, who then distribute it to their populace.

Y'all bring a weak game today.

Did you seriously just go there?

I was tempted to add a pic of Tom Brady sitting on his ass wondering what just happened.

If its a state issue, that would mean funding should be coming from the STATE. Them being "distributors" is a ridiculous argument.

That's literally how it works though. You could look it up.

I understand that pogo. The funding should come from the state if it is a state issue. If its coming from the fed gov... NEWSFLASH : it isnt coming from the state

 

[NightFox]

How come the poor in northern states get heating assistance, but the poor in the southern states do not get cooling assistance? That's not fair.

FYI: The program in question Low Income Home Energy Program (LIHEAP) covers both "heating assistance" and "cooling assistance" in both the North and the South......

 

[Pogo]

The fed gov shouldnt be subsidizing energy.
I just wish you statist dumbfucks would amend the Constitution instead of shitting all over it.

Let’s let the elderly, who have worked and paid taxes all of their lives, contributed to their communities and their country, freeze in the dark shall we?

Amend the Constitution. Did you even read the post you responded to?

Yes I did. I guess you think that helping the elderly doesn’t promote the “general welfare”.

Ahhh going to a different subject now. How quaint.
No i dont. That would be considered INDIVIDUAL assistance. Do you not understand what general means either?

In what universe is the "general" not comprised of the aggregate "individual"?

 

[Pogo]

Actually it provides the assistance to the states themselves, who then distribute it to their populace.

Y'all bring a weak game today.

Did you seriously just go there?

I was tempted to add a pic of Tom Brady sitting on his ass wondering what just happened.

If its a state issue, that would mean funding should be coming from the STATE. Them being "distributors" is a ridiculous argument.

That's literally how it works though. You could look it up.

I understand that pogo. The funding should come from the state if it is a state issue. If its coming from the fed gov... NEWSFLASH : it isnt coming from the state

The individual gets it from the state. The state, in turn, got it from the Fed. Just as the same state got funding from the Fed for its roads and bridges and an entire litany of other stuff that promotes the general Welfare.

That's exactly what the Fed exists for, aside from establishing domestic tranquility, providing for the common Defense and securing the Blessings of Liberty to Ourselves and our Posteriors.

There's no part of that that can be interpreted as "go freeze your ass, I got mine".

 

[whitehall]

The administration claims the program is "rife with fraud" but a spokesperson for the people who get the money claims it isn't. How on earth could the federal government keep tabs on grants to companies who allegedly compensate their customers? Of course the program is open to fraud but the FBI is too busy chasing political enemies to investigate. The Trump administration is working on a replacement for the plan but of course the "editorial" doesn't include that information. This is part of cleaning the freaking swamp but the hypocrite left that used to hate "corporate welfare" and the gas and oil industry is now defending corporations and big energy as long as they think they can score a few points against the Trump administration which they hate more than corporations or big energy.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Trump's leaving the poor out in the cold. OUT IN THE COLD.

impeach. Trump. NOW.

Trump once again wants to cut energy assistance to the poor

Yet another elitist faux pas by a sociopathic elitist asshole who's been handed everything all his life and never had to struggle --- or even work at all --- for jack shit. Certainly not for heating.

Again, great move there, shitforbrains voters.

The fed gov shouldnt be subsidizing energy.
I just wish you statist dumbfucks would amend the Constitution instead of shitting all over it.

Let’s let the elderly, who have worked and paid taxes all of their lives, contributed to their communities and their country, freeze in the dark shall we?

Haha..
You Loons are noble as fuck with when armed with my checkbook aren’t you? “Give them free shit or you’ll kill them” haha
What is it that you hate about extending FREEDOM to people?
The freedom to control their own destiny. Sometimes their destiny leads them to death. Do you hate the idea of having the freedom to control your own destiny through your own choices?
Let me guess...you want the freedom to choose right up until that point where you’ve made the wrong choice and THEN you want taxpayer interference...am I right?
(we’ve probably reached that point where you’ll want to pretend you didn’t see this post...I’ll understand)

 

[Dragonlady]

The fed gov shouldnt be subsidizing energy.
I just wish you statist dumbfucks would amend the Constitution instead of shitting all over it.

Let’s let the elderly, who have worked and paid taxes all of their lives, contributed to their communities and their country, freeze in the dark shall we?

No one has said that. This is why it is impossible to have a conversation with anyone on the left.

Tell Me, why doesn't a red flag go off in your head when you hear that people cannot survive without the help of government?

Absolutely not. But then I live in a country which provides assistance with my heating/cooling bills too.

When such programs are in place and they’re available to all low income seniors who qualify on the basis of income, the contribute to the general welfare of older citizens.

 

[NightFox]

Did you seriously just go there?

I was tempted to add a pic of Tom Brady sitting on his ass wondering what just happened.

If its a state issue, that would mean funding should be coming from the STATE. Them being "distributors" is a ridiculous argument.

That's literally how it works though. You could look it up.

I understand that pogo. The funding should come from the state if it is a state issue. If its coming from the fed gov... NEWSFLASH : it isnt coming from the state

The individual gets it from the state. The state, in turn, got it from the Fed.

Where'd "the Fed" get it from?

 

[impuretrash]

I'm not opposed to federal assistance programs, but I'm also under no illusions that these programs aren't abused by druggies and losers who don't have any sort of physical impairment. How is the LIHEAP program different from the HEAP program?

 

[Dragonlady]

Trump's leaving the poor out in the cold. OUT IN THE COLD.

impeach. Trump. NOW.

Trump once again wants to cut energy assistance to the poor

Yet another elitist faux pas by a sociopathic elitist asshole who's been handed everything all his life and never had to struggle --- or even work at all --- for jack shit. Certainly not for heating.

Again, great move there, shitforbrains voters.

The fed gov shouldnt be subsidizing energy.
I just wish you statist dumbfucks would amend the Constitution instead of shitting all over it.

Let’s let the elderly, who have worked and paid taxes all of their lives, contributed to their communities and their country, freeze in the dark shall we?

Haha..
You Loons are noble as fuck with when armed with my checkbook aren’t you? “Give them free shit or you’ll kill them” haha
What is it that you hate about extending FREEDOM to people?
The freedom to control their own destiny. Sometimes their destiny leads them to death. Do you hate the idea of having the freedom to control your own destiny through your own choices?
Let me guess...you want the freedom to choose right up until that point where you’ve made the wrong choice and THEN you want taxpayer interference...am I right?
(we’ve probably reached that point where you’ll want to pretend you didn’t see this post...I’ll understand)

You are truly too stupid to be one person. I doubt you make enough money to pay taxes.

 

[Pogo]

The administration claims the program is "rife with fraud" but a spokesperson for the people who get the money claims it isn't. How on earth could the federal government keep tabs on grants to companies who allegedly compensate their customers? Of course the program is open to fraud but the FBI is too busy chasing political enemies to investigate. The Trump administration is working on a replacement for the plan but of course the "editorial" doesn't include that information. This is part of cleaning the freaking swamp but the hypocrite left that used to hate "corporate welfare" and the gas and oil industry is now defending corporations and big energy as long as they think they can score a few points against the Trump administration which they hate more than corporations or big energy.

LiHEAP doesn't go to corporations. It pays bills on behalf of consumers. The energy company derives no benefit therefrom, other than having some billings paid for that otherwise would have gone into arrears for lack of ability of the consumer to pay them.

Further, if the Rump Administration is "working on a replacement", number one -- link? Number two, forgive us if we don't have a whoooooole lotta confidence in an assistance pogrom --- sorry, program --- put together by an elitist asshole who has zero experience with any kind of 'assistance', and number three, you don't start chipping away at the existing program BEFORE you have a new one ready. Even if such "replacement" actually did exist and wasn't something you just made up on a message board thinking that nobody would call you on it.

 

[TNHarley]

The fed gov shouldnt be subsidizing energy.
I just wish you statist dumbfucks would amend the Constitution instead of shitting all over it.

Let’s let the elderly, who have worked and paid taxes all of their lives, contributed to their communities and their country, freeze in the dark shall we?

Amend the Constitution. Did you even read the post you responded to?

Yes I did. I guess you think that helping the elderly doesn’t promote the “general welfare”.

Ahhh going to a different subject now. How quaint.
No i dont. That would be considered INDIVIDUAL assistance. Do you not understand what general means either?

In what universe is the "general" not comprised of the aggregate "individual"?

"general" in this sense, means "national". An individual receiving assistance that EVERYONE else isnt receiving is unconstitutional.
Here is a quot from Prez Monroe on rebuilding the cumberland road “to purposes of common defence, and of general, national, not local, or state, benefit.”
a big fire broke out in savannah and almost destroyed the entire city. They received no federal funding. Wanna know why? The fourth congress understood it was unconstitutional.
Wanna know why? Because local benefit is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. In order for it to meet Constitutional requirements, it has to be NATIONAL. Applied equally between all states and individuals.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Trump's leaving the poor out in the cold. OUT IN THE COLD.

impeach. Trump. NOW.

Trump once again wants to cut energy assistance to the poor

Yet another elitist faux pas by a sociopathic elitist asshole who's been handed everything all his life and never had to struggle --- or even work at all --- for jack shit. Certainly not for heating.

Again, great move there, shitforbrains voters.

The fed gov shouldnt be subsidizing energy.
I just wish you statist dumbfucks would amend the Constitution instead of shitting all over it.

Let’s let the elderly, who have worked and paid taxes all of their lives, contributed to their communities and their country, freeze in the dark shall we?

Haha..
You Loons are noble as fuck with when armed with my checkbook aren’t you? “Give them free shit or you’ll kill them” haha
What is it that you hate about extending FREEDOM to people?
The freedom to control their own destiny. Sometimes their destiny leads them to death. Do you hate the idea of having the freedom to control your own destiny through your own choices?
Let me guess...you want the freedom to choose right up until that point where you’ve made the wrong choice and THEN you want taxpayer interference...am I right?
(we’ve probably reached that point where you’ll want to pretend you didn’t see this post...I’ll understand)

You are truly too stupid to be one person. I doubt you make enough money to pay taxes.

Translation-
“You’re way too sensible...I hate logic and reason.”

 

[impuretrash]

Haha..
You Loons are noble as fuck with when armed with my checkbook aren’t you? “Give them free shit or you’ll kill them” haha
What is it that you hate about extending FREEDOM to people?
The freedom to control their own destiny. Sometimes their destiny leads them to death. Do you hate the idea of having the freedom to control your own destiny through your own choices?
Let me guess...you want the freedom to choose right up until that point where you’ve made the wrong choice and THEN you want taxpayer interference...am I right?
(we’ve probably reached that point where you’ll want to pretend you didn’t see this post...I’ll understand)

Do you really want to live in a nation where old ladies, crippled people and pregnant women freeze to death in the winter? In a nation that spends hundreds of billions to keep it's war machine well oiled in case it needs to bomb some afghan goat herders? C'mon.

 

[Pogo]

general" in this sense, means "national". An individual receiving assistance that EVERYONE else isnt receiving is unconstitutional.

Ah I see. So in Judge Harley's court the only way to go is a guaranteed energy subsidy for everybody, regardless of need.

Why does it strike me that that would take way more money? I'm not real good at math.

Here is a quot from Prez Monroe on rebuilding the cumberland road “to purposes of common defence, and of general, national, not local, or state, benefit.”
a big fire broke out in savannah and almost destroyed the entire city. They received no federal funding. Wanna know why? The fourth congress understood it was unconstitutional.
Wanna know why? Because local benefit is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. In order for it to meet Constitutional requirements, it has to be NATIONAL. Applied equally between all states and individuals.

------ sooooo the welfare of Savannah (if it's the city it's capitalized) doesn't matter to the nation? Are there certain cities that matter and others that don't? Are not the residents of Savannah .... American citizens? Is not Savannah a port city sitting up an intercoastal waterway from the Atlantic Ocean?

Should the Army Corps of Engineers NOT have done all that work on the Mississippi River after the disastrous flooding of 1927? After all, what benefit did that bring to anybody in Montana?