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Pro-choice people say: "It is uncertain when human life begins; that's a religious question that cannot be answered by science."

I say: If there is uncertainty about when human life begins, the benefit of the doubt should go to preserving life.

Medical textbooks and scientific reference works consistently agree that human life begins at conception.

Some of the world's most prominent scientists and physicians testified to a U.S. Senate committee that human life begins at conception.

Many other prominent scientists and physicians have likewise affirmed with certainty that human life begins at conception.



Pro-choice people say: "The fetus is just a part of the pregnant woman's body, like her tonsils or appendix. You can't seriously believe an embryo is an actual person."

I say: . A body part is defined by the common genetic code it shares with the rest of its body; the unborn's genetic code differs from his mother's.

The child may die and the mother live, or the mother may die and the child live, proving they are two separate individuals.

The unborn child takes an active role in his own development, controlling the course of the pregnancy and the time of birth.

Being inside something is not the same as being part of something.

There is substantial scientific reason to believe embryos are persons, and should be granted the same rights as older, larger and less vulnerable persons.



Pro-choice people say: "The unborn is an embryo or a fetus-just a simple blob of tissue, a product of conception-not a baby. Abortion is terminating a pregnancy, not killing a child."

I say: Like toddler and adolescent, the terms embryo and fetus do not refer to nonhumans, but to humans at particular stages of development.

Semantics affect perceptions, but they do not change realities; a baby is a baby no matter what we call her.

From the moment of conception, the unborn is not simple but very complex.

Prior to the first trimester, the unborn already has every body part she will ever have.

Every abortion stops a beating heart and terminates measurable brain waves.

Even in the earliest surgical abortions, the unborn child is clearly human in appearance.

Even before the unborn is obviously human in appearance, she is what she is-a human being.

No matter how much better it sounds, "terminating a pregnancy" is still terminating a life.



Pro-choice people say: "The fetus may be alive, but so are eggs and sperm. The fetus is a potential human being, not an actual one; it's like a blueprint not a house, an acorn not an oak tree."

I say: The ovum and sperm are each a product of another's body; unlike the fertilized egg, neither is an independent entity.

The physical remains after an abortion indicate the end not of a potential life but of an actual life.

Something nonhuman does not become human by getting older and bigger; whatever is human must be human from the beginning.

Comparing preborns and adults to acorns and oaks is dehumanizing and misleading.

Even if the analogy were valid, scientifically speaking an acorn is simply a little oak tree, just as an embryo is a little person.



Pro-choice people say: "The unborn isn't a person, with meaningful life. It's only inches in size, and can't even think; it's less advanced than an animal, and anyway, who says people have a greater right to live than animals?"


I say: Personhood is properly defined by membership in the human species, not by stage of development within that species.

Personhood is not a matter of size, skill, or degree of intelligence.

The unborn's status should be determined on an objective basis, not on subjective or self-serving definitions of personhood.

It is a scientific fact that there are thought processes at work in unborn babies.

If the unborn's value can be compared to that of an animal, there is no reason not to also compare the value of born people to animals.

Even if someone believes people are no better than animals, why would they abhor the killing of young animals, while advocating the killing of young children?

It is dangerous when people in power are free to determine whether other, less powerful lives are meaningful.

Arguments against the personhood of the unborn are shrouded in rationalization and denial.



Pro-choice people say: "A fetus isn't a person until implantation or until quickening or viability or when it first breathes."

I say: Implantation is a gauge of personhood only if location, nutrition, and interfacing with others makes us human.

Quickening is a gauge of personhood only if someone's reality or value is dependent upon being noticed by another.

Viability is an arbitrary concept. Why not associate personhood with heartbeat, brain waves, or something else?

The point of viability changes because it depends on technology, not the unborn herself. Eventually babies may be viable from the point of conception.

In a broad sense, many born people are not viable because they are incapable of surviving without depending on others.

A child's "breathing," her intake of oxygen, begins long before birth.

Someone's helplessness or dependency should motivate us to protect her, not to destroy her.



Pro-choice people say: "Obviously life begins at birth. That's why we celebrate birthdays, not conception days, and why we don't have funerals following miscarriages."

I say: Our recognition of birthdays is cultural, not scientific.

Some people do have funerals after a miscarriage.

Funerals are an expression of our subjective attachment to those who have died, not a measurement of their true worth.

There is nothing about birth that makes a baby essentially different than he was before birth.



Pro-choice people say: "No one can really know that human life begins before birth."

I say: Children know that human life begins before birth.

Pregnant women know that human life begins before birth.

Doctors know that human life begins before birth.

Abortionists know that human life begins before birth.

Feminists know that human life begins before birth.

Society knows that human life begins before birth.

The media know that human life begins before birth.

Prochoice advocates know that human life begins before birth.

If we can't know that human life begins before birth, how can we know whether it begins at birth or later?



Pro-choice people say: "Even if the unborn are human beings, they have fewer rights than the woman. No one should be expected to donate her body as a life support system for someone else."

I say: Once we grant that the unborn are human beings, it should settle the question of their right to live.

The right to live doesn't increase with age and size, otherwise toddlers and adolescents have less right to live than adults.

The comparison between baby's rights and mother's rights is unequal. What is at stake in abortion is the mother's lifestyle, as opposed to the baby's life.

It is reasonable for society to expect an adult to live temporarily with an inconvenience if the only alternative is killing a child.



Pro-choice people say: "Every person has the right to choose. It would be unfair to restrict a woman's choice by prohibiting abortion."

I say: Any civilized society restricts the individual's freedom to choose whenever that choice would harm an innocent person.

"Freedom to choose" is too vague for meaningful discussion; we must always ask, "Freedom to choose what?"

People who are prochoice about abortion are often not prochoice about other issues with less at stake.

The one-time choice of abortion robs someone else of a lifetime of choices and prevents him from ever exercising his rights.

Everyone is prochoice when it comes to the choices prior to pregnancy and after birth.

Nearly all violations of human rights have been defended on the grounds of the right to choose
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Pro-choice people say: "Every woman should have control over her own body. Reproductive freedom is a basic right."

I say: Abortion assures that 650,000 females each year do not have control over their bodies.

Not all things done with a person's body are right, nor should they all be legally protected.

Prolifers consistently affirm true reproductive rights.

Even prochoicers must acknowledge that the "right to control one's body" argument has no validity if the unborn is a human being.

Too often "the right to control my life" becomes the right to hurt and oppress others for my own advantage.

Control over the body can be exercised to prevent pregnancy in the first place.

It is demeaning to a woman's body and self-esteem to regard pregnancy as an unnatural, negative, and "out of control" condition
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Pro-choice people say: "Abortion is a decision between a woman and her doctor. It's no one else's business. Everyone has a constitutional right to privacy."

I say: The Constitution does not contain a right to privacy.

Privacy is never an absolute right, but is always governed by other rights.

The encouragement or assistance of a doctor does not change the nature, consequences, or morality of abortion.

The father of the child is also responsible for the child and should have a part in this decision.

The father will often face serious grief and guilt as a result of abortion. Since his life will be significantly affected, shouldn't he have something to say about it?



Pro-choice people say:. "It's unfair for an unmarried woman to have to face the embarrassment of pregnancy or the pain of giving up a child for adoption."

I say: Pregnancy is not a sin. Society should not condemn and pressure an unmarried mother into abortion, but should help and support her.

The poor choice of premarital sex is never compensated for by the far worse choice of killing an innocent human being.

One person's unfair or embarrassing circumstances do not justify violating the rights of another person.

Adoption is a fine alternative that avoids the burden of child raising, while saving a life and making a family happy; it is tragic that adoption is so infrequently chosen as an alternative to abortion.

The reason that adoption may be painful is the same reason that abortion is wrong-a human life is involved.



Pro-choice people say: "Abortion rights are fundamental for the advancement of women. They are essential to having equal rights with men."

I say: Early feminists were prolife, not prochoice.

Some active feminists still vigorously oppose abortion.

Women's rights are not inherently linked to the right to abortion.

The basic premises of the abortion-rights movement are demeaning to women.

Many of the assumptions that connect women's welfare with abortion, the Pill and free sex have proven faulty.

Some of the abortion-rights strategies assume female incompetence and subject women to ignorance and exploitation.

Abortion has become the most effective means of sexism ever devised, ridding the world of multitudes of unwanted females.



Pro-choice people say: "The circumstances of many women leave them no choice but to have an abortion."

I say: Saying they have no choice is not being prochoice, but pro-abortion.

Those who are truly prochoice must present a woman with a number of possible choices, rather than just selling the choice of abortion.

"Abortion or misery" is a false portrayal of the options; it keeps women from pursuing-and society from providing-positive alternatives.



Pro-choice people say: "I'm personally against abortion, but I'm still prochoice. It's a legal alternative and we don't have the right to keep it from anyone. Everyone's free to believe what they want, but we shouldn't try to impose it on others."

I say: To be prochoice about abortion is to be proabortion.

The only good reason for being personally against abortion is a reason that demands we be against other people choosing to have abortions.

What is legal is not always right.

How can we tell people they are perfectly free to believe abortion is the killing of children, but they are not free to act as if what they believe is really true?



Pro-choice people say: "'Every child a wanted child.' It's unfair to children to bring them into a world where they're not wanted."

I say: Every child is wanted by someone-there is no such thing as an unwanted child.

There is a difference between an unwanted pregnancy and an unwanted child.

"Unwanted" describes not a condition of the child but an attitude of adults.

The problem of unwantedness is a good argument for wanting children, but a poor argument for eliminating them.

What is most unfair to "unwanted" children is to kill them.



Pro-choice people say: "Having more unwanted children results in more child abuse."

I say: Most abused children were wanted by their parents.

Child abuse has not decreased since abortion was legalized, but has dramatically increased.

If children are viewed as expendable before birth, they will be viewed as expendable after birth.

It is illogical to argue a child is protected from abuse through abortion since abortion is child abuse.



Pro-choice people say: "Restricting abortion would be unfair to the poor and minorities, who need it most."

I say: It is not unfair for some people to have less opportunity than others to kill the innocent.

The rich and white, not the poor and minorities, are most committed to unrestricted abortion.

Prochoice advocates want the poor and minorities to have abortions, but oppose requirements that abortion risks and alternatives be explained to them.

Planned Parenthood's abortion advocacy was rooted in the eugenics movement and its bias against the mentally and physically handicapped and minorities.



Pro-choice people say: "Abortion helps solve the problem of overpopulation and raises the quality of life."

I say: The current birth rate in America is less than what is needed to maintain our population level.

The dramatic decline in our birth rate will have a disturbing economic effect on America.

Overpopulation is frequently blamed for problems with other causes.

If there is a population problem that threatens our standard of living, the solution is not to kill off part of the population.

Sterilization and abortion as cures to overpopulation could eventually lead to mandatory sterilization and abortion.

The "quality of life" concept is breeding a sense of human expendability that has far-reaching social implications.



Pro-choice people say: "Even if abortion were made illegal, there would still be many abortions."

I say: That harmful acts against the innocent will take place regardless of the law is a poor argument for having no law.

The law can guide and educate people to choose better alternatives.

History shows that laws concerning abortion have significantly influenced whether women choose to have abortions.



Pro-choice people say: "The anti-abortion beliefs of the minority shouldn't be imposed on the majority."

I say: Major polls clearly indicate it is a majority, not a minority, who believe there should be greater restrictions on abortion.

Many people's apparent agreement with abortion law stems from their ignorance of what the law really is.

Beliefs that abortion should be restricted are embraced by a majority in each major political party.

In 1973 the Supreme Court imposed a minority morality on the nation, ignoring the votes of citizens and the decisions of state legislatures.



Pro-choice people say: "The anti-abortion position is a religious belief that threatens the vital separation of church and state."

I say: Many nonreligious people believe that abortion kills children and that it is wrong.

Morality must not be rejected just because it is supported by religion.

America was founded on a moral base dependent upon principles of the Bible and the Christian religion.

Laws related to church and state were intended to assure freedom for religion, not freedom from religion.

Religion's waning influence on our society directly accounts for the moral deterioration threatening our future.



Pro-choice people say: "If abortion is made illegal, tens of thousands of women will again die from back-alley and clothes-hanger abortions."

I say: For decades prior to its legalization, 90 percent of abortions were done by physicians in their offices, not in back alleys.

It is not true that tens of thousands of women were dying from illegal abortions before abortion was legalized.

The history of abortion in Poland invalidates claims that making abortion illegal would bring harm to women.

Women still die from legal abortions in America.

If abortion became illegal, abortions would be done with medical equipment, not clothes hangers.

We must not legalize procedures that kill the innocent just to make the killing process less hazardous.

The central horror of illegal abortion remains the central horror of legal abortion.



Pro-choice people say: "Abortion is a safe medical procedure, safer than full-term pregnancy and childbirth."

I say: Abortion is not safer than full-term pregnancy and childbirth.

Though the chances of a woman's safe abortion are now greater, the number of suffering women is also greater because of the huge increase in abortions.

Even if abortion were safer for the mother than childbirth, it would still remain fatal for the innocent child.

Abortion can produce many serious medical problems.

Abortion significantly raises the rate of breast cancer.

The statistics on abortion complications and risks are often understated due to the inadequate means of gathering data.

The true risks of abortion are rarely explained to women by those who perform abortions.



Pro-choice people say: "Abortion is an easy and painless procedure."

I say: The various abortion procedures are often both difficult and painful for women.

Abortion is often difficult and painful for fathers, grandparents, and siblings of the aborted child.

Abortion is often difficult and painful for clinic workers.

Abortion is difficult and painful for the unborn child.

Even if abortion were made easy or painless for everyone, it wouldn't change the bottom-line problem that abortion kills children.



Pro-choice people say: "Abortion relieves women of stress and responsibility, and thereby enhances their psychological well-being."

I say: Research demonstrates abortion's adverse psychological effects on women.

The many post-abortion therapy and support groups testify to the reality of abortion's potentially harmful psychological effects.

The suicide rate is significantly higher among women who have had abortions than among those who haven't.

Postabortion syndrome is a diagnosable psychological affliction.

Many professional studies document the reality of abortion's adverse psychological consequences on a large number of women.

Abortion can produce both short and longer term psychological damage, especially a sense of personal guilt.

Most women have not been warned about and are completely unprepared for the psychological consequences of abortion.



Pro-choice people say: "Abortion providers are respected medical professionals working in the woman's best interests."

I say: Abortion clinics do not have to maintain the high standards of health, safety, and professionalism required of hospitals.

Many clinics are in the abortion industry because of the vast amounts of money involved.

Clinic workers commonly prey on fear, pain, and confusion to manipulate women into getting abortions.

Clinic workers regularly mislead or deceive women about the nature and development of their babies.

Abortionists engage in acts so offensive to the public that most media outlets refuse to describe them even in the abortionist's own words.

Abortionists, feminists, the past president of the United States and many congressmen have defended partial-birth abortion, one of the most chilling medical atrocities in human history.

Abortion clinics often exploit the feminist connection, making it appear their motive is to stand up for women.

Doctors doing abortions violate the fundamental creeds of the medical profession.



Pro-choice people say: "What about a woman whose life is threatened by pregnancy or childbirth?"

I say: It is an extremely rare case when abortion is required to save the mother's life.

When two lives are threatened and only one can be saved, doctors must always save that life.

Abortion for the mother's life and abortion for the mother's health are usually not the same issue.

Abortion to save the mother's life was legal before convenience abortion was legalized, and would continue to be if abortion were made illegal again.



Pro-choice people say: "What about a woman whose unborn baby is diagnosed as deformed or handicapped?"

I say: The doctor's diagnosis is sometimes wrong.

The child's deformity is often minor.

Medical tests for deformity may cause as many problems as they detect.

Handicapped children are often happy, always precious, and usually delighted to be alive.

Handicapped children are not social liabilities, and bright and "normal" people are not always social assets.

Using dehumanizing language may change our thinking, but not the child's nature or value.

Our society is hypocritical in its attitude toward handicapped children.

The adverse psychological effects of abortion are significantly more traumatic for those who abort because of deformity.

The arguments for killing a handicapped unborn child are valid only if they also apply to killing born people who are handicapped.

Abortions due to probable handicaps rob the world of unique human beings who would significantly contribute to society.

Abortions due to imperfections have no logical stopping place; they will lead to designer babies, commercial products to be bred and marketed, leaving other people to be regarded as inferior and disposable.



Pro-choice people say: "What about a woman who is pregnant due to rape or incest?"

I say: Pregnancy due to rape is extremely rare, and with proper treatment can be prevented.

Rape is never the fault of the child; the guilty party, not an innocent party, should be punished.

The violence of abortion parallels the violence of rape.

Abortion does not bring healing to a rape victim.

A child is a child regardless of the circumstances of his conception.

What about already-born people who are "products of rape"?

All that is true of children conceived in rape is true of those conceived in incest.



Pro-choice people say: "Anti-abortionists are so cruel that they insist on showing hideous pictures of dead babies."

I say: What is hideous is not the pictures themselves, but the reality they depict.

Pictures challenge our denial of the horrors of abortion. If something is too horrible to look at, perhaps it is too horrible to condone.

Nothing could be more relevant to the discussion of something than that which shows what it really is.

It is the prochoice position, not the prolife position, that is cruel.



Pro-choice people say: "Prolifers don't care about women, and they don't care about babies once they're born. They have no right to speak against abortion unless they are willing to care for these children."

I say: Prolifers are actively involved in caring for women in crisis pregnancies and difficult child-raising situations.

Prolifers are actively involved in caring for "unwanted" children and the other "disposable people" in society.

It is "abortion providers" who do not provide support for women choosing anything but abortion.



Pro-choice people say: "The anti-abortionists are a bunch of men telling women what to do."

I say: There is no substantial difference between men and women's views of abortion.

Some polls suggest more women than men oppose abortion.

The great majority of prolife workers are women.

If men are disqualified from the abortion issue, they should be disqualified on both sides.

Men are entitled to take a position on abortion.

There are many more women in prolife organizations that there are in proabortion organizations.

Of women who have had abortions, far more are prolife activists than prochoice activists.



Pro-choice people say: "Anti-abortionists talk about the sanctity of human life, yet they favor capital punishment."

I say: Not all prolifers favor capital punishment.

Capital punishment is rooted in a respect for innocent human life.

There is a vast difference between punishing a convicted murderer and killing an innocent child.



Pro-choice people say: "Anti-abortion fanatics break the law, are violent, and bomb abortion clinics."

I say: Media coverage of prolife civil disobedience often bears little resemblance to what actually happens.

Prolife civil disobedience should not be condemned without understanding the reasons behind it.

Peaceful civil disobedience is consistent with the belief that the unborn are human beings.

Prolife protests have been remarkably nonviolent, and even when there has been violence it has usually been committed by clinic employees and escorts.

Abortion clinic bombing and violence are rare, and are neither done nor endorsed by prolife organizations.



Pro-choice people say: "The anti-abortionists distort the facts and resort to emotionalism to deceive the public."

I say: The facts themselves make abortion an emotional issue.

It is not the prolife position but the prochoice position that relies on emotionalism more than truth and logic.

The prolife position is based on documented facts and empirical evidence, which many prochoice advocates ignore or distort.

The prochoice movement consistently caricatures and misrepresents prolifers and their agenda.

The prochoice movement, from its beginnings, has lied to and exploited women, including the "Roe" of Roe v. Wade and the "Doe" of Doe v. Bolton.



Pro-choice people say: "Anti-abortion groups hide behind a profamily facade, while groups such as Planned Parenthood are truly profamily because they assist in family planning."

I say: The prochoice movement's imposition of "family planning" on teenagers has substantially contributed to the actual cause of teen pregnancy.

Through its opposition to parental notification and consent, Planned Parenthood consistently undermines the value and authority of the family.

Planned Parenthood makes huge financial profits from persuading people to get abortions.

Planned Parenthood has been directly involved in the scandals of trafficking baby body parts.

As demonstrated in the case of Becky Bell, the prochoice movement is willing to distort and exploit family tragedies to promote its agenda.

Planned Parenthood, the prochoice movement, and the media ignore family tragedies that do not support the prochoice agenda.



Pro-choice people say: "The last three decades of abortion rights have helped make our society a better place to live."

I say: Abortion has left terrible holes in our society.

Abortion has made us a nation of schizophrenics about our children.

Abortion is a modern holocaust we are accomplices to, and which is breeding unparalleled violence.

Abortion is taking us a direction from which we might never return.

Abortion has ushered in the brave new world of human pesticides.

Abortion has led us into complete moral subjectivism in which we are prone to justify as ethical whatever it is we want to do
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Pro-choice arguments by Randy Alcorn
 
It does not matter what you call it, be it embryo, fetus, etc. My legal position rests entirely on the fact you cannot have access without invading the woman's body. To use the government to invade a woman's body is obscene. Invading her body violates several platforms of the Constitution. To answer the obvious question: No. The fetus/unborn has no Constitutional rights. It doesn't even have have human rights because to invade a woman's body Constitutes the very violation claiming to be used to justify endorsing the government to legally violate the woman's body.
 
No nothing like that. I wasn't debating Sarge, I was making a comment about you.

Oh....you mean like hurling insults and personal attacks about me? :lol::lol:

The difference is (and I knew I would have to explain this to the mentally challenged) I wasn't debating Sarge I was giving him my opinion about you , however you and curvelight and a few others hurl insults and personal attacks when you're losing an argument (which happens more often than not) and that's because you obviously lack the intelligence required to counter with substantive points and support those points with evidence. Have I made myself clear or do I need to draw you a picture?

Oh....you have made yourself (and your hypocrisy) crystal clear. :clap2::clap2::clap2: I always love it when people like you make our points for us.
 
As far as sperm, eggs, embryos and fetuses and children?

Well..........a sperm by itself is just one cell that can't do much, as it is specialized for only 1 function. Same with a female's egg. Neither one is "human".

Combine the 2? Still gonna have to wait awhile, as any decent doctor will tell you that the mass of cells is just a mass of cells until around the 40th day, when it finally develops a nervous system and can feel pain.

The mass of cells is not a "human" either. It's more of a growth (kinda like cancer), until the nervous system is developed.

After the 40 day mark and the development of a nervous system? THEN it's "human".


I see, so a fertilized egg in the womb is not of any species? It doesn't have any DNA?

:cuckoo:

And by the way, even when you're an adult you are nothing more than a "mass of cells".

Hey Chicken Canary, what part of BEFORE IT HAS A NERVOUS SYSTEM did you miss?

I said it was a growth like cancer. Yes, it does have DNA, but so does every other living thing.

Are you this stupid in real life, or did you have to fall off a roof and crack your skull open?
 
Yea, how dare anyone get an important message out during the highest rated hours of the year, especially if it can save lives.

If CBS doesn't want to run it, it doesn't have to...despite whether I feel or you feel that the message is an important one.

CBS is making a choice - that political ads that might piss off their viewers don't have a place being run during the SuperBowl. That's their choice - they've demonstrated that they hold that view whether the ad is from a liberal or conservative viewpoint. They are being consistent - which I appreciate.

Do I think the world would come to an end if football fans found out that doctors wanted one of the player's mom's to abort him but she chose life? No, I think thats rather cool actually. But it wasn't my choice...it was CBS's.

As far as I know CBS is planning to air it. You're right, it is their choice to air it or not, that's really not the issue here.

But what I find strange about this story is that pro-"choice" women would be upset by this commercial. What's wrong with promoting the choice of letting the baby live? Guess they're not really pro-choice, they're just pro-abortion.

CBS is going to run the ad. Heard it on the news last night.

This young mans Mother didn't follow her Doctors advice. She decided to have the baby. She made a CHOICE. It was her CHOICE. What a bunch of hooey over a woman making a choice that saved a life instead of taking one. Jeeze.
 
Wanna know why the doctor told her to have one? She was having a problem pregnancy, and there was a very real possibility that she would die before full term.

Medical advice to save your life? She got lucky. Most people wouldn't refuse chemo (which is toxic) if the doctor told them they have cancer.

Try again.
 
Abortion is legal. Which is better?

A woman choosing to have or not have an abortion

OR

The government making the choice for her.

I think this is where the "pro-choice = pro-abortion" line gets blurred by some.

A woman will always have the "choice" of killing her baby or carrying it to full term. What we're talking about is whether or not one choice (killing) should be legal or illegal.

Government already forbids us from doing thousands of acts. Why is it when it comes to abortion people scream about the government "forcing" women to do something, but every other law we have somehow isn't forcing people to act in a certain way?

I'm anti-abortion but I don't know whether abortion should be legal or not. Part of me says of course it should be illegal, it's murder; part of me says that if abortion were made illegal it wouldn't stop them from happening and it may very well increase the number of abortions that occur. If keeping it legal means less abortions are performed isn't that the lesser of two evils, isn't that the better choice? I don't know.

This is something that will never go away, regardless of whether it's legal or not. Both sides finding common ground and working from there to reduce the number of abortions may be the best that one can hope for.
 
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Oh....you mean like hurling insults and personal attacks about me? :lol::lol:

The difference is (and I knew I would have to explain this to the mentally challenged) I wasn't debating Sarge I was giving him my opinion about you , however you and curvelight and a few others hurl insults and personal attacks when you're losing an argument (which happens more often than not) and that's because you obviously lack the intelligence required to counter with substantive points and support those points with evidence. Have I made myself clear or do I need to draw you a picture?

Oh....you have made yourself (and your hypocrisy) crystal clear. :clap2::clap2::clap2: I always love it when people like you make our points for us.

And you just proved my point.
 
Wanna know why the doctor told her to have one? She was having a problem pregnancy, and there was a very real possibility that she would die before full term.

Medical advice to save your life? She got lucky. Most people wouldn't refuse chemo (which is toxic) if the doctor told them they have cancer.

Try again.

Source?
 
It does not matter what you call it, be it embryo, fetus, etc. My legal position rests entirely on the fact you cannot have access without invading the woman's body. To use the government to invade a woman's body is obscene. Invading her body violates several platforms of the Constitution. To answer the obvious question: No. The fetus/unborn has no Constitutional rights. It doesn't even have have human rights because to invade a woman's body Constitutes the very violation claiming to be used to justify endorsing the government to legally violate the woman's body.

I was unaware that the government was implanting children into women. Would you please cite some sort of reference to support that the government is accessing these women and forcing them to have a child with absolutely no choice being made on their own behalf?

And isnt it funny that terrorists have constitutional rights, but children dont. The position makes no sense. I would think that someone trying to claim they were the party of compassion and standing up for the little guy, would be trying to support the one set of people who have ability to stand up for themselves.
 
Wanna know why the doctor told her to have one? She was having a problem pregnancy, and there was a very real possibility that she would die before full term.

Medical advice to save your life? She got lucky. Most people wouldn't refuse chemo (which is toxic) if the doctor told them they have cancer.

Try again.

Maybe . . . or maybe God answered her prayers . . . or maybe the doctor was wrong.
 
Wanna know why the doctor told her to have one? She was having a problem pregnancy, and there was a very real possibility that she would die before full term.

Medical advice to save your life? She got lucky. Most people wouldn't refuse chemo (which is toxic) if the doctor told them they have cancer.

Try again.

Maybe . . . or maybe God answered her prayers . . . or maybe the doctor was wrong.

Or maybe she just is like most people and willing to sacrifice her life if necessary to protect her children.
 
Look it up yourself cocksucker. You'd just ignore it anyway.

Saw it on the news.

In other words... you have nothing!

Like I said you penis puffing piss poor pillow biting sperm burping colon jouster, it's true.

Wikipedia is your friend........

Tebow was born on August 14, 1987 in the Philippines to Bob and Pam Tebow, who were serving as Christian missionaries at the time.[1] While pregnant Pam suffered a life-threatening infection with a pathogenic amoeba. Because of the drugs used to rouse her from a coma and to treat her dysentery, the fetus experienced a severe placental abruption. Doctors expected a stillbirth and recommended an abortion to protect her life.[1] She carried Timothy to term, and both survived.

Yeah...........I got nothing.

You on the other hand, have just been pwned.

Fuck off you cow fucking fruitcake.
 
Tebow was born on August 14, 1987 in the Philippines to Bob and Pam Tebow, who were serving as Christian missionaries at the time.[1] While pregnant Pam suffered a life-threatening infection with a pathogenic amoeba. Because of the drugs used to rouse her from a coma and to treat her dysentery, the fetus experienced a severe placental abruption. Doctors expected a stillbirth and recommended an abortion to protect her life.[1] She carried Timothy to term, and both survived.

And they both lived? I'm going with miracle.
 
Well, considering that they were both missionaries, and had quite a bit of faith in the Big Man Upstairs, I'd be willing to go with the miracle.

I mean.......if they're doing God's work, shouldn't He take care of His employees?

Still doesn't make the SB ad any less nauseating.
 
Look it up yourself cocksucker. You'd just ignore it anyway.

Saw it on the news.

In other words... you have nothing!

Like I said you penis puffing piss poor pillow biting sperm burping colon jouster, it's true.

Wikipedia is your friend........

Tebow was born on August 14, 1987 in the Philippines to Bob and Pam Tebow, who were serving as Christian missionaries at the time.[1] While pregnant Pam suffered a life-threatening infection with a pathogenic amoeba. Because of the drugs used to rouse her from a coma and to treat her dysentery, the fetus experienced a severe placental abruption. Doctors expected a stillbirth and recommended an abortion to protect her life.[1] She carried Timothy to term, and both survived.

Yeah...........I got nothing.

You on the other hand, have just been pwned.

Fuck off you cow fucking fruitcake.

Now that wasn't so difficult now was it? In all honesty people that talk big like you are actually trying to make up for their cowardice. I would offer proper debate etiquette, but I'm afraid it would be too difficult for you to understand. Oh and you obviously have a deep-seated desire for beastiality, I suggest you seek therapy for that.
 
In other words... you have nothing!

Like I said you penis puffing piss poor pillow biting sperm burping colon jouster, it's true.

Wikipedia is your friend........

Tebow was born on August 14, 1987 in the Philippines to Bob and Pam Tebow, who were serving as Christian missionaries at the time.[1] While pregnant Pam suffered a life-threatening infection with a pathogenic amoeba. Because of the drugs used to rouse her from a coma and to treat her dysentery, the fetus experienced a severe placental abruption. Doctors expected a stillbirth and recommended an abortion to protect her life.[1] She carried Timothy to term, and both survived.

Yeah...........I got nothing.

You on the other hand, have just been pwned.

Fuck off you cow fucking fruitcake.

Now that wasn't so difficult now was it? In all honesty people that talk big like you are actually trying to make up for their cowardice. I would offer proper debate etiquette, but I'm afraid it would be too difficult for you to understand. Oh and you obviously have a deep-seated desire for beastiality, I suggest you seek therapy for that.

The only thing you got is a cow crap covered cock.

Telly ya what douche, do a circumcision on your skull, because you're a giant dick.

Like I said, if you had the brainpower to actually look something up, then maybe you wouldn't have to go to TJ, performing in the donkey shows, trying to rustle up some drinking money.

I bet you see two drag marks on either side of your body as well when you walk in sand, as your knuckles are probably 3 feet behind you.

Besides, what the fuck can a punk assed coward like yourself do to me? I'm betting not much other than bleed.

Fuck off, I ain't doing your work for you again, not my fault your head is up your ass.

So much for "having nothing", eh?
 

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