Proclaiming Hillary received the most popular votes is HIGHLY overrated

[PoliticalChic]

3. There were over 120 million votes cast......and there are maybe 30 million illegals....

Logic and experience evince that way more than 200,000 votes were cast by illegals.

Hillary lost......face it.

Exccept there's no evidence any illegals voted, much less 1.3 million of them.

It's up to winning by 1.4 MILLION now....should surpass 2 million when the count is done on absentee voters.

there has been just one case of voter fraud by an illegal that has been prosecuted recently, it took place in Texas, an illegal Mexican woman that voted in 3 or 4 elections/primaries over a few years, and she was a registered REPUBLICAN, who was married to an American man...

"Three million votes in the U.S. presidential election were cast by illegal aliens, according to Greg Phillips of the VoteFraud.org organization.

If true, this would mean that Donald Trump still won the contest despite widespread vote fraud and almost certainly won the popular vote.

“We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens,” tweeted Phillips after reporting that the group had completed an analysis of a database of 180 million voter registrations."
Report: Three Million Votes in Presidential Election Cast by Illegal Aliens

 

[Cecilie1200]

It was certainly close enough that the Republicans are in danger of over-interpreting their "mandate".

I saw Paul Ryan saying yesterday that the party "has to go big". Really?

Danger, danger.
.

He has the only mandate that really matters: he won.

Now let's see what he does with it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

How can you call the truth over rated? She won the popular vote. You can call it anything you like except a lie.

You wanna talk truth? Okay, here's a truth for you: our nation doesn't elect the President by popular vote.

Deal with it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Proclaiming that Hillary received more votes is simple-minded and not looking at the whole picture.

Most of the time the candidate that receives the most electoral votes, ALSO receives the most popular votes.
However, this doesn't have to be the case at all, and in fact it's now happened FIVE times where the electoral college winner did NOT receive the most popular votes.

As we all know the goal is to reach 270 electoral votes. All campaigns map out a strategy that gives them the best chance to reach that goal. The campaigns then concentrate most of their resources on the areas inside the map they've created.
States where the candidate has a very little chance of winning, will therefore mostly be ignored.
States where the candidate already is likely to win will simply be shored up, but will see fewer campaign visits, and fewer advertising dollars.
States that could easily swing either way, will be heavily attacked with a continual blitz of campaign rallies, and non-stop commercials being ran throughout the campaigning days.

Now If the goal was simply to receive the most overall votes, all campaigns would have MUCH DIFFERENT strategies if the electoral college wasn't involved.
States and cities that have large populations will be primarily concentrated on. These areas will see the overwhelming majority of a campaigns resources.

In the end, the final vote count would likely look different under the electoral college system versus a popular vote only system.

Electing the president by popular vote would increase turnout, and that always favors Democrats.

That's one good reason conservatives hate democracy.

Since there are more registered Dimocrats, why even bother to have an election?

And by the way, I'm not necessarily opposed to a popular vote system.

I am. We have states for a reason. Anyone care to venture a guess as to what that reason is?

 

[NYcarbineer]

3. There were over 120 million votes cast......and there are maybe 30 million illegals....

Logic and experience evince that way more than 200,000 votes were cast by illegals.

Hillary lost......face it.

Exccept there's no evidence any illegals voted, much less 1.3 million of them.

It's up to winning by 1.4 MILLION now....should surpass 2 million when the count is done on absentee voters.

there has been just one case of voter fraud by an illegal that has been prosecuted recently, it took place in Texas, an illegal Mexican woman that voted in 3 or 4 elections/primaries over a few years, and she was a registered REPUBLICAN, who was married to an American man...

"Three million votes in the U.S. presidential election were cast by illegal aliens, according to Greg Phillips of the VoteFraud.org organization.

If true, this would mean that Donald Trump still won the contest despite widespread vote fraud and almost certainly won the popular vote.

“We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens,” tweeted Phillips after reporting that the group had completed an analysis of a database of 180 million voter registrations."
Report: Three Million Votes in Presidential Election Cast by Illegal Aliens

All of those votes were cast for Trump.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Proclaiming that Hillary received more votes is simple-minded and not looking at the whole picture.

Most of the time the candidate that receives the most electoral votes, ALSO receives the most popular votes.
However, this doesn't have to be the case at all, and in fact it's now happened FIVE times where the electoral college winner did NOT receive the most popular votes.

As we all know the goal is to reach 270 electoral votes. All campaigns map out a strategy that gives them the best chance to reach that goal. The campaigns then concentrate most of their resources on the areas inside the map they've created.
States where the candidate has a very little chance of winning, will therefore mostly be ignored.
States where the candidate already is likely to win will simply be shored up, but will see fewer campaign visits, and fewer advertising dollars.
States that could easily swing either way, will be heavily attacked with a continual blitz of campaign rallies, and non-stop commercials being ran throughout the campaigning days.

Now If the goal was simply to receive the most overall votes, all campaigns would have MUCH DIFFERENT strategies if the electoral college wasn't involved.
States and cities that have large populations will be primarily concentrated on. These areas will see the overwhelming majority of a campaigns resources.

In the end, the final vote count would likely look different under the electoral college system versus a popular vote only system.

Electing the president by popular vote would increase turnout, and that always favors Democrats.

That's one good reason conservatives hate democracy.

Your full of shit. That means you think the founders hated democracy and any of them have more virtue in their pinkie than you will ever have in your entire, blighted existence.

Our country was founded on popular elections, so much so that today we have 53 of them every presidential election. Why do you hate democracy so much?

No, sweetie. Our Founders DID hate pure democracy - otherwise known as "uninhibited mob rule" - and our country was NOT founded on untrammeled popular elections. As a matter of fact, our country was founded on very carefully proscribed elections PRECISELY for the purpose of preventing what you're touting.

 

[NYcarbineer]

How can you call the truth over rated? She won the popular vote. You can call it anything you like except a lie.

There's no such thing as a national popular vote. This isn't homogeneous America, it's the United STATES of America and in every state there is a POPULAR vote to determine who that state elects. The states elect the president and you get a say in how your state votes.

You safety pin crybabies can scream "unfair!" all you want, but it's perfectly fair.

The system is patently unfair.

The idea that your vote should have more value because your neighbor is a prairie dog instead of a person is absurdly unfair.

Nice view of your fellow Americans.

I want the person in Wyoming to have exactly the same power in voting for president as I do.

Can you say that about every other eligible voter in the country?

 

[Cecilie1200]

That means you think the founders hated democracy

They made sure with the Electoral College that the US wouldn't have too much of it.

they made sure they would protect slavery...and that's why the rural states have far more power than they should.

The electoral college was made to protect slavery?

Whenever anything goes wrong, leftists run to hide behind the blacks. Personally, I'd be nervous having that many leftists behind me where I can't keep an eye on them.

 

[Camp]

3. There were over 120 million votes cast......and there are maybe 30 million illegals....

Logic and experience evince that way more than 200,000 votes were cast by illegals.

Hillary lost......face it.

Exccept there's no evidence any illegals voted, much less 1.3 million of them.

It's up to winning by 1.4 MILLION now....should surpass 2 million when the count is done on absentee voters.

there has been just one case of voter fraud by an illegal that has been prosecuted recently, it took place in Texas, an illegal Mexican woman that voted in 3 or 4 elections/primaries over a few years, and she was a registered REPUBLICAN, who was married to an American man...

"Three million votes in the U.S. presidential election were cast by illegal aliens, according to Greg Phillips of the VoteFraud.org organization.

If true, this would mean that Donald Trump still won the contest despite widespread vote fraud and almost certainly won the popular vote.

“We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens,” tweeted Phillips after reporting that the group had completed an analysis of a database of 180 million voter registrations."
Report: Three Million Votes in Presidential Election Cast by Illegal Aliens

Fake news being promoted by Info Wars Alex Jones.
Folks should keep a list of the perpetrators and posters that spread this kind of misinformation and lies or risk wasting time and resources being propagandized and misled.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Proclaiming that Hillary received more votes is simple-minded and not looking at the whole picture.

Most of the time the candidate that receives the most electoral votes, ALSO receives the most popular votes.
However, this doesn't have to be the case at all, and in fact it's now happened FIVE times where the electoral college winner did NOT receive the most popular votes.

As we all know the goal is to reach 270 electoral votes. All campaigns map out a strategy that gives them the best chance to reach that goal. The campaigns then concentrate most of their resources on the areas inside the map they've created.
States where the candidate has a very little chance of winning, will therefore mostly be ignored.
States where the candidate already is likely to win will simply be shored up, but will see fewer campaign visits, and fewer advertising dollars.
States that could easily swing either way, will be heavily attacked with a continual blitz of campaign rallies, and non-stop commercials being ran throughout the campaigning days.

Now If the goal was simply to receive the most overall votes, all campaigns would have MUCH DIFFERENT strategies if the electoral college wasn't involved.
States and cities that have large populations will be primarily concentrated on. These areas will see the overwhelming majority of a campaigns resources.

In the end, the final vote count would likely look different under the electoral college system versus a popular vote only system.

Electing the president by popular vote would increase turnout, and that always favors Democrats.

That's one good reason conservatives hate democracy.

Your full of shit. That means you think the founders hated democracy and any of them have more virtue in their pinkie than you will ever have in your entire, blighted existence.

Our country was founded on popular elections, so much so that today we have 53 of them every presidential election. Why do you hate democracy so much?

No, sweetie. Our Founders DID hate pure democracy - otherwise known as "uninhibited mob rule" - and our country was NOT founded on untrammeled popular elections. As a matter of fact, our country was founded on very carefully proscribed elections PRECISELY for the purpose of preventing what you're touting.

"Mob rule" is elitist code for 'we want a system where we have more voting power than the common folk have".

PS, this is not the 18th century. If you think the founders got it right are you willing to give up YOUR right to vote?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Oh the irony:

"At its root, populism is a belief in the power of regular people, and in their right to have control over their government rather than a small group of political insiders or a wealthy elite. The word populism comes from the Latin word for "people," populus."

Trump, the populist, supported by all these RW'ers who hate populism.

 

[PoliticalChic]

3. There were over 120 million votes cast......and there are maybe 30 million illegals....

Logic and experience evince that way more than 200,000 votes were cast by illegals.

Hillary lost......face it.

Exccept there's no evidence any illegals voted, much less 1.3 million of them.

It's up to winning by 1.4 MILLION now....should surpass 2 million when the count is done on absentee voters.

there has been just one case of voter fraud by an illegal that has been prosecuted recently, it took place in Texas, an illegal Mexican woman that voted in 3 or 4 elections/primaries over a few years, and she was a registered REPUBLICAN, who was married to an American man...

"Three million votes in the U.S. presidential election were cast by illegal aliens, according to Greg Phillips of the VoteFraud.org organization.

If true, this would mean that Donald Trump still won the contest despite widespread vote fraud and almost certainly won the popular vote.

“We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens,” tweeted Phillips after reporting that the group had completed an analysis of a database of 180 million voter registrations."
Report: Three Million Votes in Presidential Election Cast by Illegal Aliens

Fake news being promoted by Info Wars Alex Jones.
Folks should keep a list of the perpetrators and posters that spread this kind of misinformation and lies or risk wasting time and resources being propagandized and misled.

Did any illegal aliens or dead folks vote?

Yes or no.




How many?

 

[Care4all]

3. There were over 120 million votes cast......and there are maybe 30 million illegals....

Logic and experience evince that way more than 200,000 votes were cast by illegals.

Hillary lost......face it.

Exccept there's no evidence any illegals voted, much less 1.3 million of them.

It's up to winning by 1.4 MILLION now....should surpass 2 million when the count is done on absentee voters.

there has been just one case of voter fraud by an illegal that has been prosecuted recently, it took place in Texas, an illegal Mexican woman that voted in 3 or 4 elections/primaries over a few years, and she was a registered REPUBLICAN, who was married to an American man...

"Three million votes in the U.S. presidential election were cast by illegal aliens, according to Greg Phillips of the VoteFraud.org organization.

If true, this would mean that Donald Trump still won the contest despite widespread vote fraud and almost certainly won the popular vote.

“We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens,” tweeted Phillips after reporting that the group had completed an analysis of a database of 180 million voter registrations."
Report: Three Million Votes in Presidential Election Cast by Illegal Aliens

Certainly you are more intelligent.... than to just accept FAKE NEWS...without even trying to discern the truth....?

Did 3 million undocumented immigrants vote in 2016?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Hillary Clinton now leading by 1.3 MILLION VOTES, and counting.

 

[Mac1958]

Had the outcome been reversed and Clinton won the EV and Trump the PV, this conversation would be precisely reversed.

We're a split country, obviously, and anyone who doesn't govern with that in mind will accomplish little in the long term. Back and forth, back and forth.

Partisans are so silly.
.

 

[NYcarbineer]

3. There were over 120 million votes cast......and there are maybe 30 million illegals....

Logic and experience evince that way more than 200,000 votes were cast by illegals.

Hillary lost......face it.

Exccept there's no evidence any illegals voted, much less 1.3 million of them.

It's up to winning by 1.4 MILLION now....should surpass 2 million when the count is done on absentee voters.

there has been just one case of voter fraud by an illegal that has been prosecuted recently, it took place in Texas, an illegal Mexican woman that voted in 3 or 4 elections/primaries over a few years, and she was a registered REPUBLICAN, who was married to an American man...

"Three million votes in the U.S. presidential election were cast by illegal aliens, according to Greg Phillips of the VoteFraud.org organization.

If true, this would mean that Donald Trump still won the contest despite widespread vote fraud and almost certainly won the popular vote.

“We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens,” tweeted Phillips after reporting that the group had completed an analysis of a database of 180 million voter registrations."
Report: Three Million Votes in Presidential Election Cast by Illegal Aliens

Fake news being promoted by Info Wars Alex Jones.
Folks should keep a list of the perpetrators and posters that spread this kind of misinformation and lies or risk wasting time and resources being propagandized and misled.

Did any illegal aliens or dead folks vote?

Yes or no.




How many?

Yes. How many voted for Trump?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Had the outcome been reversed and Clinton won the EV and Trump the PV, this conversation would be precisely reversed.

We're a split country, obviously, and anyone who doesn't govern with that in mind will accomplish little in the long term. Back and forth, back and forth.

Partisans are so silly.
.

You lie. I have never supported the electoral college.

 

[Camp]

3. There were over 120 million votes cast......and there are maybe 30 million illegals....

Logic and experience evince that way more than 200,000 votes were cast by illegals.

Hillary lost......face it.

Exccept there's no evidence any illegals voted, much less 1.3 million of them.

It's up to winning by 1.4 MILLION now....should surpass 2 million when the count is done on absentee voters.

there has been just one case of voter fraud by an illegal that has been prosecuted recently, it took place in Texas, an illegal Mexican woman that voted in 3 or 4 elections/primaries over a few years, and she was a registered REPUBLICAN, who was married to an American man...

"Three million votes in the U.S. presidential election were cast by illegal aliens, according to Greg Phillips of the VoteFraud.org organization.

If true, this would mean that Donald Trump still won the contest despite widespread vote fraud and almost certainly won the popular vote.

“We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens,” tweeted Phillips after reporting that the group had completed an analysis of a database of 180 million voter registrations."
Report: Three Million Votes in Presidential Election Cast by Illegal Aliens

Fake news being promoted by Info Wars Alex Jones.
Folks should keep a list of the perpetrators and posters that spread this kind of misinformation and lies or risk wasting time and resources being propagandized and misled.

Did any illegal aliens or dead folks vote?

Yes or no.




How many?

That is the question you should answer, you are the one supporting the claim that three million illegals voted. How many have been charged, indicted or accused by name and voting district during this election? I have found one, a Republican in Texas.

 

[PoliticalChic]

3. There were over 120 million votes cast......and there are maybe 30 million illegals....

Logic and experience evince that way more than 200,000 votes were cast by illegals.

Hillary lost......face it.

Exccept there's no evidence any illegals voted, much less 1.3 million of them.

It's up to winning by 1.4 MILLION now....should surpass 2 million when the count is done on absentee voters.

there has been just one case of voter fraud by an illegal that has been prosecuted recently, it took place in Texas, an illegal Mexican woman that voted in 3 or 4 elections/primaries over a few years, and she was a registered REPUBLICAN, who was married to an American man...

"Three million votes in the U.S. presidential election were cast by illegal aliens, according to Greg Phillips of the VoteFraud.org organization.

If true, this would mean that Donald Trump still won the contest despite widespread vote fraud and almost certainly won the popular vote.

“We have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens,” tweeted Phillips after reporting that the group had completed an analysis of a database of 180 million voter registrations."
Report: Three Million Votes in Presidential Election Cast by Illegal Aliens

Certainly you are more intelligent.... than to just accept FAKE NEWS...without even trying to discern the truth....?

Did 3 million undocumented immigrants vote in 2016?

Did any illegal aliens or dead folks vote?

Yes or no.




How many?

 

[Freewill]

Had the outcome been reversed and Clinton won the EV and Trump the PV, this conversation would be precisely reversed.

We're a split country, obviously, and anyone who doesn't govern with that in mind will accomplish little in the long term. Back and forth, back and forth.

Partisans are so silly.
.

We are not OBVIOUSLY a split country. It was predicted that the large number of illegals entering the country and being encouraged to vote by Obama was going to effect the election. The only thing that saves the nation from such an unfair advantage is the electoral college. Trump lost one or two states by a large margin. That means in the other 48 he either did well or didn't lose by much. He even turn some very blue states red.

It is only fair that the election be run as it has from the beginning. There were 51 popularity contest run on Nov 8, Trump won, I think, 30, and Hillary 21. Trump is president.

But you are right, if it had gone the way George Soros had said, or if what he said is still true and the electoral college elects Hillary, the discussion would be the opposite.

The electoral college makes the whole election fair to all, not to just a mass of voters in one or two states, and isn't that what the liberals bitch about?

The democrats cheated, lied and encouraged cheating and lying they just couldn't do it in enough states to win.