CDZ Programs opposed by Conservatives that were successes

[SSDD]

Along with SS and Medicare
A solid retirement

Social security provides nothing more than chump change...I pity the people who paid in to the system all their lives and expect to have anything like a comfortable retirement on that mis spent investment.

 

[rightwinger]

Tens of millions still rely on it to live on
What do you propose to tell someone who contributed their whole life?

Tens of millions barely get by on it...had they been able to put all those mandatory contributions into some plan that would pay them more than 2% on their investment, they would be thriving rather than barely scraping by till the next check...

Social security, like all socialist programs creates dependence rather than freedom...I am glad that I never expected social security to provide me anything more than chump change in my retirement...

They barely get by if they never built a 401k and do not own their house

Yes SS is a dependence. A dependence that allows you to live out your life with security

As I already pointed out, there are very good alternatives to the failures of social security. We should be allowed to opt out of social security if we like and put our money in a place where it will actually work for us rather than give it to the government who misses the money then pays about 2% on our investment...

When you opt out, who pays for the 40 million currently receiving benefits?

 

[SSDD]

Tens of millions still rely on it to live on
What do you propose to tell someone who contributed their whole life?

Tens of millions barely get by on it...had they been able to put all those mandatory contributions into some plan that would pay them more than 2% on their investment, they would be thriving rather than barely scraping by till the next check...

Social security, like all socialist programs creates dependence rather than freedom...I am glad that I never expected social security to provide me anything more than chump change in my retirement...

They barely get by if they never built a 401k and do not own their house

Yes SS is a dependence. A dependence that allows you to live out your life with security

As I already pointed out, there are very good alternatives to the failures of social security. We should be allowed to opt out of social security if we like and put our money in a place where it will actually work for us rather than give it to the government who misses the money then pays about 2% on our investment...

When you opt out, who pays for the 40 million currently receiving benefits?

Like most liberals, you don't seem to be able to see the glaring flaw in your own argument...and I am sure that, like most liberals, when it is pointed out to you, you won't accept it as a glaring flaw and will simply shuffle the insight to the side and learn nothing...and come back with the same stupid argument.

Over the course of this discussion, you have repeatedly touted your 401k and how it gives you a solid retirement. How much better would your retirement be, had all that money you were forced to pay into social security been put into something like your 401k from the day you started your first paying job?

If you are like most, look at your 401k...now double or triple it depending on what age you actively started to prepare for retirement. What would your life be like if you had 2 or 3 times, or more in reserve than what you have now plus the chump change that your social security amounts to.

That is the point...social security is a failure. You pay into it all your life and get next to nothing back on your return. Like I said...I have no problem with government mandating that we save for our retirement...and mandate that the money be taken from our wages and put into a retirement savings vehicle. The problem I have is that the money goes to the government, where it is mishandled, misused, and they decide what sort of return I am going to get on all that money that I was forced to pay in.

Now I suppose you will drag out the usual liberal arrogance in supposing that you had the foresight and ability to actually direct your 401k money into something that would provide you a good return, but the rest of those poor schlubs aren't as smart, or gifted as you and they would not have been as successful as you, so it is best that they gave their money to the government over the course of their lifetimes and should be glad that they get to struggle by through their retirement years on the money that a 2% return on their investment provides them.

Social security is a failure..

And the fact that you have to ask, if I opt out who pays the 40 million who are currently receiving benefits only highlights the glaring flaw in your argument. Those 40 million currently receiving benefits have been paying into the system their entire lives. Where is their money? Why does what I pay in, or what anyone else pays in have anything to do with whether they get paid or not? The government has been taking their money weekly, biweekly, or monthly for their entire working lives. Where is their money? Why do they not get paid if I opt out of the system?

Do you ever actually use your brain for anything more than just formulating your next terribly flawed argument?

 

[Blues Man]

I’m drawing on a 401k now and paying taxes on it. Not having to pay taxes allowed me to build quite a nest egg
If you don’t like paying taxes ...try a Roth

You pay taxes regardless...roth doesn't exempt you from taxes.. like I said..no apparent understanding of what you are talking about..

Doing things to help the People is not Socialism

Making other people pay for the livelihood of people who made bad choices is.

No shit Sherlock

But it allows you to avoid paying taxes while you build up your nest egg

Or, prepay your taxes and not pay taxes on your profits

Along with SS and Medicare
A solid retirement

You end up paying far more taxes with a 401 than a roth

Contributing to a Roth 401 is the only real choice. The taxes paid on your contributions are insignificant compared to the money saved by not paying taxes on the gains

 

[Blues Man]

Tens of millions still rely on it to live on
What do you propose to tell someone who contributed their whole life?

Tens of millions barely get by on it...had they been able to put all those mandatory contributions into some plan that would pay them more than 2% on their investment, they would be thriving rather than barely scraping by till the next check...

Social security, like all socialist programs creates dependence rather than freedom...I am glad that I never expected social security to provide me anything more than chump change in my retirement...

They barely get by if they never built a 401k and do not own their house

Yes SS is a dependence. A dependence that allows you to live out your life with security

As I already pointed out, there are very good alternatives to the failures of social security. We should be allowed to opt out of social security if we like and put our money in a place where it will actually work for us rather than give it to the government who misses the money then pays about 2% on our investment...

When you opt out, who pays for the 40 million currently receiving benefits?

Ponzi schemes suck don't they?

 

[rightwinger]

Tens of millions still rely on it to live on
What do you propose to tell someone who contributed their whole life?

Tens of millions barely get by on it...had they been able to put all those mandatory contributions into some plan that would pay them more than 2% on their investment, they would be thriving rather than barely scraping by till the next check...

Social security, like all socialist programs creates dependence rather than freedom...I am glad that I never expected social security to provide me anything more than chump change in my retirement...

They barely get by if they never built a 401k and do not own their house

Yes SS is a dependence. A dependence that allows you to live out your life with security

As I already pointed out, there are very good alternatives to the failures of social security. We should be allowed to opt out of social security if we like and put our money in a place where it will actually work for us rather than give it to the government who misses the money then pays about 2% on our investment...

When you opt out, who pays for the 40 million currently receiving benefits?

Like most liberals, you don't seem to be able to see the glaring flaw in your own argument...and I am sure that, like most liberals, when it is pointed out to you, you won't accept it as a glaring flaw and will simply shuffle the insight to the side and learn nothing...and come back with the same stupid argument.

Over the course of this discussion, you have repeatedly touted your 401k and how it gives you a solid retirement. How much better would your retirement be, had all that money you were forced to pay into social security been put into something like your 401k from the day you started your first paying job?

If you are like most, look at your 401k...now double or triple it depending on what age you actively started to prepare for retirement. What would your life be like if you had 2 or 3 times, or more in reserve than what you have now plus the chump change that your social security amounts to.

That is the point...social security is a failure. You pay into it all your life and get next to nothing back on your return. Like I said...I have no problem with government mandating that we save for our retirement...and mandate that the money be taken from our wages and put into a retirement savings vehicle. The problem I have is that the money goes to the government, where it is mishandled, misused, and they decide what sort of return I am going to get on all that money that I was forced to pay in.

Now I suppose you will drag out the usual liberal arrogance in supposing that you had the foresight and ability to actually direct your 401k money into something that would provide you a good return, but the rest of those poor schlubs aren't as smart, or gifted as you and they would not have been as successful as you, so it is best that they gave their money to the government over the course of their lifetimes and should be glad that they get to struggle by through their retirement years on the money that a 2% return on their investment provides them.

Social security is a failure..

And the fact that you have to ask, if I opt out who pays the 40 million who are currently receiving benefits only highlights the glaring flaw in your argument. Those 40 million currently receiving benefits have been paying into the system their entire lives. Where is their money? Why does what I pay in, or what anyone else pays in have anything to do with whether they get paid or not? The government has been taking their money weekly, biweekly, or monthly for their entire working lives. Where is their money? Why do they not get paid if I opt out of the system?

Do you ever actually use your brain for anything more than just formulating your next terribly flawed argument?

In that whole screed you failed to answer the basic question

What happens to the 40 million retired and 100 million still working who have been paying in to SS and depend on current workers to pay their benefits.

It seems your response is fuk em, unless you have a better answer

 

[rightwinger]

Tens of millions still rely on it to live on
What do you propose to tell someone who contributed their whole life?

Tens of millions barely get by on it...had they been able to put all those mandatory contributions into some plan that would pay them more than 2% on their investment, they would be thriving rather than barely scraping by till the next check...

Social security, like all socialist programs creates dependence rather than freedom...I am glad that I never expected social security to provide me anything more than chump change in my retirement...

They barely get by if they never built a 401k and do not own their house

Yes SS is a dependence. A dependence that allows you to live out your life with security

As I already pointed out, there are very good alternatives to the failures of social security. We should be allowed to opt out of social security if we like and put our money in a place where it will actually work for us rather than give it to the government who misses the money then pays about 2% on our investment...

When you opt out, who pays for the 40 million currently receiving benefits?

Ponzi schemes suck don't they?

Not a Ponzi scheme when the investment is covered

Still looking for an answer on how you can abandon SS

 

[rightwinger]

I’m drawing on a 401k now and paying taxes on it. Not having to pay taxes allowed me to build quite a nest egg
If you don’t like paying taxes ...try a Roth

You pay taxes regardless...roth doesn't exempt you from taxes.. like I said..no apparent understanding of what you are talking about..

Doing things to help the People is not Socialism

Making other people pay for the livelihood of people who made bad choices is.

No shit Sherlock

But it allows you to avoid paying taxes while you build up your nest egg

Or, prepay your taxes and not pay taxes on your profits

Along with SS and Medicare
A solid retirement

You end up paying far more taxes with a 401 than a roth

Contributing to a Roth 401 is the only real choice. The taxes paid on your contributions are insignificant compared to the money saved by not paying taxes on the gains

I am withdrawing right now. That nest egg is not as big as you thought it was once you pay taxes

 

[SSDD]

In that whole screed you failed to answer the basic question

What happens to the 40 million retired and 100 million still working who have been paying in to SS and depend on current workers to pay their benefits.

It seems your response is fuk em, unless you have a better answer

I answered by pointing out the abject failure of the social security program. Those people paid their money in over the course of their entire working lives...where is their money? Why does what anyone else pays in have anything to do with people who have already paid in getting the money they have invested?

Have you ever heard the term ponzi scheme or a pyramid scheme? Let me tell you what that is...by law, it is a form of fraud that promises a return on investment, but pays out to earlier investors with funds collected from more recent investors. In this sort of investment fraud...those receiving money believe they are receiving a return on their own investment and aren't usually aware that the money they are receiving is not a return on their own investment, but instead they are receiving the money later investors are putting in.

Social security became a ponzi scheme when democrats thought that it would be a good idea to put the social security trust fund into the general budget and spend it and fund the people who are receiving social security with the money the younger generations are paying in.

So again...where is the money that the 100 million you are so concerned about already paid in? And why does it matter to them whether anyone ever pays another penny in to the social security program? They already gave their money to the government over the entire course of their working lives? What did the government do with their money? Why does the government need the money of younger workers to keep coming in, in order to pay those who have already paid and are now expecting to see the return on their investment?

And you call this government program a success? If by success you mean the most successful, and wasteful ponzi scheme ever developed, then by that definition, I suppose it is a success...if you mean successful in that it can give those who pay in a fair return on their investment, is solvent, and will be for the indefinite future because of careful handling of the investors money...then I am laughing in your face because you have been duped so badly...Social security is an abject failure...

And once more...where is their money? And why does it matter to them if anyone ever pays in again...they have already paid...why can't they be paid unless people continue to pay in?

 

[SSDD]

Not a Ponzi scheme when the investment is covered

Still looking for an answer on how you can abandon SS

But according to you, it isn't covered...You said yourself that if people were given the opportunity to opt out of social security, that the people who are collecting now wouldn't be paid...that their payment depends on the contributions of people who are still working. By any definition, the investment that the older people paid in over the course of their working lives has not been covered...and by any definition you care to use, paying older investors with the money younger investors are putting into the system is a ponzi scheme...

 

[rightwinger]

In that whole screed you failed to answer the basic question

What happens to the 40 million retired and 100 million still working who have been paying in to SS and depend on current workers to pay their benefits.

It seems your response is fuk em, unless you have a better answer

I answered by pointing out the abject failure of the social security program. Those people paid their money in over the course of their entire working lives...where is their money? Why does what anyone else pays in have anything to do with people who have already paid in getting the money they have invested?

Have you ever heard the term ponzi scheme or a pyramid scheme? Let me tell you what that is...by law, it is a form of fraud that promises a return on investment, but pays out to earlier investors with funds collected from more recent investors. In this sort of investment fraud...those receiving money believe they are receiving a return on their own investment and aren't usually aware that the money they are receiving is not a return on their own investment, but instead they are receiving the money later investors are putting in.

Social security became a ponzi scheme when democrats thought that it would be a good idea to put the social security trust fund into the general budget and spend it and fund the people who are receiving social security with the money the younger generations are paying in.

So again...where is the money that the 100 million you are so concerned about already paid in? And why does it matter to them whether anyone ever pays another penny in to the social security program? They already gave their money to the government over the entire course of their working lives? What did the government do with their money? Why does the government need the money of younger workers to keep coming in, in order to pay those who have already paid and are now expecting to see the return on their investment?

And you call this government program a success? If by success you mean the most successful, and wasteful ponzi scheme ever developed, then by that definition, I suppose it is a success...if you mean successful in that it can give those who pay in a fair return on their investment, is solvent, and will be for the indefinite future because of careful handling of the investors money...then I am laughing in your face because you have been duped so badly...Social security is an abject failure...

And once more...where is their money? And why does it matter to them if anyone ever pays in again...they have already paid...why can't they be paid unless people continue to pay in?

So you have no answer

Fact is, there is no way to turn Social Security into a savings plan. Each generation pays for the generation before them

We have an obligation to continue to have current workers pay for past workers. Most are advised to also invest in a 401k so you get the best of both worlds. A pension and retirement savings. That is what I have

 

[toobfreak]

Medicare
Sccial Security
Environmental Protection
OSHA
Americans with Disabilities Act
Affirmative Action
Gay Rights

You call those few the successes? Most of those programs have been DISASTERS, despite whatever good they may have done here and there. Meantime, shall we not look at the long list of programs supported by Atheist-Socialist Leftards that have been a total crashing failure? We would be sure to break the server in the massive data overload.

 

[Blues Man]

Tens of millions barely get by on it...had they been able to put all those mandatory contributions into some plan that would pay them more than 2% on their investment, they would be thriving rather than barely scraping by till the next check...

Social security, like all socialist programs creates dependence rather than freedom...I am glad that I never expected social security to provide me anything more than chump change in my retirement...

They barely get by if they never built a 401k and do not own their house

Yes SS is a dependence. A dependence that allows you to live out your life with security

As I already pointed out, there are very good alternatives to the failures of social security. We should be allowed to opt out of social security if we like and put our money in a place where it will actually work for us rather than give it to the government who misses the money then pays about 2% on our investment...

When you opt out, who pays for the 40 million currently receiving benefits?

Ponzi schemes suck don't they?

Not a Ponzi scheme when the investment is covered

Still looking for an answer on how you can abandon SS

All you have to do is cover the people who are getting paid until they die.

If it's not a ponzi scheme then there should be no need for people to keep paying in to cover the payments for the people who are collecting now

 

[Blues Man]

I’m drawing on a 401k now and paying taxes on it. Not having to pay taxes allowed me to build quite a nest egg
If you don’t like paying taxes ...try a Roth

You pay taxes regardless...roth doesn't exempt you from taxes.. like I said..no apparent understanding of what you are talking about..

Doing things to help the People is not Socialism

Making other people pay for the livelihood of people who made bad choices is.

No shit Sherlock

But it allows you to avoid paying taxes while you build up your nest egg

Or, prepay your taxes and not pay taxes on your profits

Along with SS and Medicare
A solid retirement

You end up paying far more taxes with a 401 than a roth

Contributing to a Roth 401 is the only real choice. The taxes paid on your contributions are insignificant compared to the money saved by not paying taxes on the gains

I am withdrawing right now. That nest egg is not as big as you thought it was once you pay taxes

That's because you are paying taxes not only on your contributions but on your gains.

If you pay the tax on your contributions first you get ALL the money that's in a Roth IRA or 401 free from any federal income taxes.

If you put 5000 a year in a standard IRA or 401 you don't pay federal income tax on that 5000. but you have to pay tax when you take it out AND yu pay the regular federal income tax on ALL the gains and the gains usually far outweigh your contributions.

Put that 5000 into a Roth vehicle and you pay taxes on that 5000 every year but you get to take not only your contributions tax free because you already paid the tax on them you also get ALL the gains tax free

 

[Blues Man]

Tens of millions barely get by on it...had they been able to put all those mandatory contributions into some plan that would pay them more than 2% on their investment, they would be thriving rather than barely scraping by till the next check...

Social security, like all socialist programs creates dependence rather than freedom...I am glad that I never expected social security to provide me anything more than chump change in my retirement...

They barely get by if they never built a 401k and do not own their house

Yes SS is a dependence. A dependence that allows you to live out your life with security

As I already pointed out, there are very good alternatives to the failures of social security. We should be allowed to opt out of social security if we like and put our money in a place where it will actually work for us rather than give it to the government who misses the money then pays about 2% on our investment...

When you opt out, who pays for the 40 million currently receiving benefits?

Like most liberals, you don't seem to be able to see the glaring flaw in your own argument...and I am sure that, like most liberals, when it is pointed out to you, you won't accept it as a glaring flaw and will simply shuffle the insight to the side and learn nothing...and come back with the same stupid argument.

Over the course of this discussion, you have repeatedly touted your 401k and how it gives you a solid retirement. How much better would your retirement be, had all that money you were forced to pay into social security been put into something like your 401k from the day you started your first paying job?

If you are like most, look at your 401k...now double or triple it depending on what age you actively started to prepare for retirement. What would your life be like if you had 2 or 3 times, or more in reserve than what you have now plus the chump change that your social security amounts to.

That is the point...social security is a failure. You pay into it all your life and get next to nothing back on your return. Like I said...I have no problem with government mandating that we save for our retirement...and mandate that the money be taken from our wages and put into a retirement savings vehicle. The problem I have is that the money goes to the government, where it is mishandled, misused, and they decide what sort of return I am going to get on all that money that I was forced to pay in.

Now I suppose you will drag out the usual liberal arrogance in supposing that you had the foresight and ability to actually direct your 401k money into something that would provide you a good return, but the rest of those poor schlubs aren't as smart, or gifted as you and they would not have been as successful as you, so it is best that they gave their money to the government over the course of their lifetimes and should be glad that they get to struggle by through their retirement years on the money that a 2% return on their investment provides them.

Social security is a failure..

And the fact that you have to ask, if I opt out who pays the 40 million who are currently receiving benefits only highlights the glaring flaw in your argument. Those 40 million currently receiving benefits have been paying into the system their entire lives. Where is their money? Why does what I pay in, or what anyone else pays in have anything to do with whether they get paid or not? The government has been taking their money weekly, biweekly, or monthly for their entire working lives. Where is their money? Why do they not get paid if I opt out of the system?

Do you ever actually use your brain for anything more than just formulating your next terribly flawed argument?

In that whole screed you failed to answer the basic question

What happens to the 40 million retired and 100 million still working who have been paying in to SS and depend on current workers to pay their benefits.

It seems your response is fuk em, unless you have a better answer

For the people still paying you just reimburse them all the money they paid in. For those collecting now all you have to do is cover their payments until they die.

There's plenty of money wasted by the government that could be used for this.

If you really know how much money you could have saved for retirement if you got to keep all the money taken for Social Security and ivested it you;d be livid

 

[rightwinger]

Medicare
Sccial Security
Environmental Protection
OSHA
Americans with Disabilities Act
Affirmative Action
Gay Rights

You call those few the successes? Most of those programs have been DISASTERS, despite whatever good they may have done here and there. Meantime, shall we not look at the long list of programs supported by Atheist-Socialist Leftards that have been a total crashing failure? We would be sure to break the server in the massive data overload.

Name one and why it is a disaster

 

[rightwinger]

They barely get by if they never built a 401k and do not own their house

Yes SS is a dependence. A dependence that allows you to live out your life with security

As I already pointed out, there are very good alternatives to the failures of social security. We should be allowed to opt out of social security if we like and put our money in a place where it will actually work for us rather than give it to the government who misses the money then pays about 2% on our investment...

When you opt out, who pays for the 40 million currently receiving benefits?

Like most liberals, you don't seem to be able to see the glaring flaw in your own argument...and I am sure that, like most liberals, when it is pointed out to you, you won't accept it as a glaring flaw and will simply shuffle the insight to the side and learn nothing...and come back with the same stupid argument.

Over the course of this discussion, you have repeatedly touted your 401k and how it gives you a solid retirement. How much better would your retirement be, had all that money you were forced to pay into social security been put into something like your 401k from the day you started your first paying job?

If you are like most, look at your 401k...now double or triple it depending on what age you actively started to prepare for retirement. What would your life be like if you had 2 or 3 times, or more in reserve than what you have now plus the chump change that your social security amounts to.

That is the point...social security is a failure. You pay into it all your life and get next to nothing back on your return. Like I said...I have no problem with government mandating that we save for our retirement...and mandate that the money be taken from our wages and put into a retirement savings vehicle. The problem I have is that the money goes to the government, where it is mishandled, misused, and they decide what sort of return I am going to get on all that money that I was forced to pay in.

Now I suppose you will drag out the usual liberal arrogance in supposing that you had the foresight and ability to actually direct your 401k money into something that would provide you a good return, but the rest of those poor schlubs aren't as smart, or gifted as you and they would not have been as successful as you, so it is best that they gave their money to the government over the course of their lifetimes and should be glad that they get to struggle by through their retirement years on the money that a 2% return on their investment provides them.

Social security is a failure..

And the fact that you have to ask, if I opt out who pays the 40 million who are currently receiving benefits only highlights the glaring flaw in your argument. Those 40 million currently receiving benefits have been paying into the system their entire lives. Where is their money? Why does what I pay in, or what anyone else pays in have anything to do with whether they get paid or not? The government has been taking their money weekly, biweekly, or monthly for their entire working lives. Where is their money? Why do they not get paid if I opt out of the system?

Do you ever actually use your brain for anything more than just formulating your next terribly flawed argument?

In that whole screed you failed to answer the basic question

What happens to the 40 million retired and 100 million still working who have been paying in to SS and depend on current workers to pay their benefits.

It seems your response is fuk em, unless you have a better answer

For the people still paying you just reimburse them all the money they paid in. For those collecting now all you have to do is cover their payments until they die.

There's plenty of money wasted by the government that could be used for this.

If you really know how much money you could have saved for retirement if you got to keep all the money taken for Social Security and ivested it you;d be livid

You keep looking at a 1935 program from a 2019 perspective

Do you think a savings plan was a good option in 1935?
We were in the midst of a depression
People did not trust the stock market
There were no index funds
Telling people to save this money and you can trust us it will still be there in the 1970 s when you retire

 

[toobfreak]

Medicare
Sccial Security
Environmental Protection
OSHA
Americans with Disabilities Act
Affirmative Action
Gay Rights

You call those few the successes? Most of those programs have been DISASTERS, despite whatever good they may have done here and there. Meantime, shall we not look at the long list of programs supported by Atheist-Socialist Leftards that have been a total crashing failure? We would be sure to break the server in the massive data overload.

Name one and why it is a disaster

Why stop at one?
Medicare: bankrupting the nation while not really paying for the care people need!
Social Security: bankrupting the nation through government mismanagement while only letting old people starve more slowly.
EPA: weaponized strong-arm of the government used to attack people like Gibson Guitar like the gestapo for no good reason at all, and taking people's land.
OSHA: does some good while drastically increasing costs to companies and thus the services and products they provider to the consumer.
Affirmative Action: After decades of passing over better qualified white people, blacks are STILL poor and cannot find a job.
Gay Right: Gays have no rights that any other person doesn't have except government force now levied to use them to put bakeries out of business for simply not wanting to violate their religious beliefs.
Americans With Disabilities Act: Does a lot of good if you can get labeled disabled. Problem is the red tape for a lot of truly disabled people who fall through the government cracks.

 

[rightwinger]

Medicare
Sccial Security
Environmental Protection
OSHA
Americans with Disabilities Act
Affirmative Action
Gay Rights

You call those few the successes? Most of those programs have been DISASTERS, despite whatever good they may have done here and there. Meantime, shall we not look at the long list of programs supported by Atheist-Socialist Leftards that have been a total crashing failure? We would be sure to break the server in the massive data overload.

Name one and why it is a disaster

Why stop at one?
Medicare: bankrupting the nation while not really paying for the care people need!
Social Security: bankrupting the nation through government mismanagement while only letting old people starve more slowly.
EPA: weaponized strong-arm of the government used to attack people like Gibson Guitar like the gestapo for no good reason at all, and taking people's land.
OSHA: does some good while drastically increasing costs to companies and thus the services and products they provider to the consumer.
Affirmative Action: After decades of passing over better qualified white people, blacks are STILL poor and cannot find a job.
Gay Right: Gays have no rights that any other person doesn't have except government force now levied to use them to put bakeries out of business for simply not wanting to violate their religious beliefs.
Americans With Disabilities Act: Does a lot of good if you can get labeled disabled. Problem is the red tape for a lot of truly disabled people who fall through the government cracks.

OK
No Medicare
You work for 40 years and when you retire,your employer drops your health insurance
Now you are 65, have diabetes, record of heart problems..... Who is going to cover you?

 

[rightwinger]

Affirmative Action is more than just blacks

Go back to 1965. Who had the high paying jobs?
White males

If you were black, you did not have the intellect to be a professional
If you were woman, you were not emotionally or physically strong enough to handle executive or manly responsibilities. Woman drive a truck? That is a mans job

Affirmative Action changed all that