Progressive Propaganda: The 2nd Amendment Edition

[2aguy]

more of the false equivalency.

One cares about gun rights that must automatically mean that he does not care for or has less care for the lives of children.

Idiot care more about keeping guns hidden or confiscated than having them readyTo defend children.

The problem of having easy access to firearms in the home is that it's also easy access to children as well. One of the big pushes right now is to try and educate gun owners to secure their weapons in the home. If the gun is there to grab in a seconds notice in case of an invader then it's also there in a seconds notice the a child to play with it. We have WAY too many accidental child gun deaths in American today. Even one is too many but there are hundreds each year. You can yell Cite, Cite but we both know that statement is true. It's like a dance, a very deadly dance, where you have to draw the line between a child's life and feeling completely secure in your home due to having a firearm.

How many do we have exactly?
Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC
2016:

2016: Kids ( <1 to age 14)

Total guns: ......74
Total Cars: 1,261




Suffocation: 1,215

Drowning: 713

Poisoning: 84

Traffic: 1,261

Guns: 74

<1......1
1-4.....34
5-9.....16
10-14....23

Under age drinking: 5,000

Underage Drinking-Why Do Adolescents Drink, What Are the Risks, and How Can Underage Drinking Be Prevented?

Each year, approximately 5,000 young people under the age of 21 die as a result of underage drinking; this includes about 1,900 deaths from motor vehicle crashes, 1,600 as a result of homicides, 300 from suicide, as well as hundreds from other injuries such as falls, burns, and drownings (1–5).

 

[2aguy]

more of the false equivalency.

One cares about gun rights that must automatically mean that he does not care for or has less care for the lives of children.

Idiot care more about keeping guns hidden or confiscated than having them readyTo defend children.

The problem of having easy access to firearms in the home is that it's also easy access to children as well. One of the big pushes right now is to try and educate gun owners to secure their weapons in the home. If the gun is there to grab in a seconds notice in case of an invader then it's also there in a seconds notice the a child to play with it. We have WAY too many accidental child gun deaths in American today. Even one is too many but there are hundreds each year. You can yell Cite, Cite but we both know that statement is true. It's like a dance, a very deadly dance, where you have to draw the line between a child's life and feeling completely secure in your home due to having a firearm.

Safety is always, and always should be, the number one priority of all gun owners. With rights comes responsibilities.

Do you have the accidental child gun death statistics?

I tried to look at a statistic for accidental gun deaths of children, but all I could get the global statistic (which included all the gang banger murders of children).

The reason for a lack of gun statistics is because the Dept. of Health is not allowed to collect these stats.

Do you know why?

You mean except for these...right?

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

Accidental deaths.....guns and otherwise....
2016:

2016: Kids ( <1 to age 14)
Total guns: ......74
Total Cars: 1,261




Suffocation: 1,215

Drowning: 713

Poisoning: 84

Traffic: 1,261

Guns: 74

<1......1
1-4.....34
5-9.....16
10-14....23

Under age drinking:

Underage Drinking-Why Do Adolescents Drink, What Are the Risks, and How Can Underage Drinking Be Prevented?

Each year, approximately 5,000 young people under the age of 21 die as a result of underage drinking; this includes about 1,900 deaths from motor vehicle crashes, 1,600 as a result of homicides, 300 from suicide, as well as hundreds from other injuries such as falls, burns, and drownings (1–5).

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

Accidental death total for 2016....

2016

Gun.....495

Car.......38,748

 

[2aguy]

more of the false equivalency.

One cares about gun rights that must automatically mean that he does not care for or has less care for the lives of children.

Idiot care more about keeping guns hidden or confiscated than having them readyTo defend children.

The problem of having easy access to firearms in the home is that it's also easy access to children as well. One of the big pushes right now is to try and educate gun owners to secure their weapons in the home. If the gun is there to grab in a seconds notice in case of an invader then it's also there in a seconds notice the a child to play with it. We have WAY too many accidental child gun deaths in American today. Even one is too many but there are hundreds each year. You can yell Cite, Cite but we both know that statement is true. It's like a dance, a very deadly dance, where you have to draw the line between a child's life and feeling completely secure in your home due to having a firearm.

Safety is always, and always should be, the number one priority of all gun owners. With rights comes responsibilities.

Do you have the accidental child gun death statistics?

I tried to look at a statistic for accidental gun deaths of children, but all I could get the global statistic (which included all the gang banger murders of children).

The reason for a lack of gun statistics is because the Dept. of Health is not allowed to collect these stats.

Do you know why?

Except for the fact that what you just posted isn't true....

No, The Government Is Not 'Banned' From Studying Gun Violence

Absolutely nothing in the amendment prohibits the CDC from studying “gun violence,” even if this narrowly focused topic tells us little. In response to this inconvenient fact, gun controllers will explain that while there isn’t an outright ban, the Dickey amendment has a “chilling” effect on the study of gun violence.


Does it? Pointing out that “research plummeted after the 1996 ban” could just as easily tell us that most research funded by the CDC had been politically motivated. Because the idea that the CDC, whose spectacular mission creep has taken it from its primary goal of preventing malaria and other dangerous communicable diseases, to spending hundreds of millions of dollars nagging you about how much salt you put on your steaks or how often you do calisthenics, is nervous about the repercussions of engaging in non-partisan research is hard to believe.

Also unlikely is the notion that a $2.6 million cut in funding so horrified the agency that it was rendered powerless to pay for or conduct studies on gun violence. The CDC funding tripled from 1996 to 2010. The CDC’s budget is over six billion dollars today.

And the idea that the CDC was paralyzed through two-years of full Democratic Party control, and then six years under a president who was more antagonistic towards the Second Amendment than any other in history, is difficult to believe, because it’s provably false.

In 2013, President Barack Obama not only signed an Executive Order directing the CDC to research “gun violence,” the administration also provided an additional $10 million to do it. Here is the study on gun violence that was supposedly banned and yet funded by the CDC. You might not have heard about the resulting research, because it contains numerous inconvenient facts about gun ownership that fails to propel the predetermined narrative. Trump’s HHS Secretary Alex Azar is also open to the idea of funding more gun violence research.

It’s not banned. It’s not chilled.

Meanwhile, numerous states and private entities fund peer-reviewed studies and other research on gun violence. I know this because gun control advocates are constantly sending me studies that distort and conflate issues to help them make their arguments. My inbox is bombarded with studies and conferences and “webinars” dissecting gun violence.

The real problem here is two-fold. One, researchers want the CDC involved so they can access government data about American gun owners. Considering the rhetoric coming from Democrats — gun ownership being tantamount to terrorism, and so on — there’s absolutely no reason Republicans should acquiesce to helping gun controllers circumvent the privacy of Americans citizens peacefully practicing their Constitutional rights.

Second, gun control advocates want to lift the ban on politically skewed research because they’re interested in producing politically skewed research. When the American Medical Association declares gun violence a “public health crisis,” it’s not interested in a balance look at the issue. When researchers advocate lifting the restrictions on advocacy at the CDC, they don’t even pretend they not to hold pre-conceived notions about the outcomes.

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There’s no reason to allow activists — then or now — to use the veneer of state-sanctioned science for their partisan purposes. For example, we now know that Rosenberg and others at the CDC turned out to be wrong about the correlation between guns and crime — a steep drop in gun crimes coincided with the explosions of gun ownership from 1996 to 2014.

 

[Wry Catcher]

more of the false equivalency.

One cares about gun rights that must automatically mean that he does not care for or has less care for the lives of children.

Idiot care more about keeping guns hidden or confiscated than having them readyTo defend children.

The problem of having easy access to firearms in the home is that it's also easy access to children as well. One of the big pushes right now is to try and educate gun owners to secure their weapons in the home. If the gun is there to grab in a seconds notice in case of an invader then it's also there in a seconds notice the a child to play with it. We have WAY too many accidental child gun deaths in American today. Even one is too many but there are hundreds each year. You can yell Cite, Cite but we both know that statement is true. It's like a dance, a very deadly dance, where you have to draw the line between a child's life and feeling completely secure in your home due to having a firearm.

Safety is always, and always should be, the number one priority of all gun owners. With rights comes responsibilities.

Do you have the accidental child gun death statistics?

I tried to look at a statistic for accidental gun deaths of children, but all I could get the global statistic (which included all the gang banger murders of children).

"Safety is always, and always should be, the number one priority of all gun owners. With rights comes responsibilities."

Safety is always, and always should be the number one priority of all drivers. Sadly, "should" doesn't work.

Laws and regulations are necessary but not sufficient to prevent DUI's and Reckless drivers, accidents and even murders by motor vehicles.

Vehicle codes, jail and fines limit all of the above.

Thank you for providing more evidence that licensing and registration ought to be required by the popular vote of citizens in each state.

Let the Red States arm every person no matter their race, ethnicity or mental state. Blue States can let the We the People, by popular vote, to require all persons who want to own, possess or have in their custody and control a firearm an to register all guns in which they own.

 

[2aguy]

more of the false equivalency.

One cares about gun rights that must automatically mean that he does not care for or has less care for the lives of children.

Idiot care more about keeping guns hidden or confiscated than having them readyTo defend children.

The problem of having easy access to firearms in the home is that it's also easy access to children as well. One of the big pushes right now is to try and educate gun owners to secure their weapons in the home. If the gun is there to grab in a seconds notice in case of an invader then it's also there in a seconds notice the a child to play with it. We have WAY too many accidental child gun deaths in American today. Even one is too many but there are hundreds each year. You can yell Cite, Cite but we both know that statement is true. It's like a dance, a very deadly dance, where you have to draw the line between a child's life and feeling completely secure in your home due to having a firearm.

Safety is always, and always should be, the number one priority of all gun owners. With rights comes responsibilities.

Do you have the accidental child gun death statistics?

I tried to look at a statistic for accidental gun deaths of children, but all I could get the global statistic (which included all the gang banger murders of children).

"Safety is always, and always should be, the number one priority of all gun owners. With rights comes responsibilities."

Safety is always, and always should be the number one priority of all drivers. Sadly, "should" doesn't work.

Laws and regulations are necessary but not sufficient to prevent DUI's and Reckless drivers, accidents and even murders by motor vehicles.

Vehicle codes, jail and fines limit all of the above.

Thank you for providing more evidence that licensing and registration ought to be required by the popular vote of citizens in each state.

Let the Red States arm every person no matter their race, ethnicity or mental state. Blue States can let the We the People, by popular vote, to require all persons who want to own, possess or have in their custody and control a firearm an to register all guns in which they own.

Licensing does not stop criminals....registration is unConstitutional for actual criminals..it violates their 5th Amendment Right against self incrimination.....so the only ones who would be legally required to register their legal guns would be law abiding citizens....

So neither thing actual does anything to stop criminals or reduce crimes....but you want them anyway.....

That is why we think you are really freaking stupid.

 

[Wry Catcher]

more of the false equivalency.

One cares about gun rights that must automatically mean that he does not care for or has less care for the lives of children.

Idiot care more about keeping guns hidden or confiscated than having them readyTo defend children.

The problem of having easy access to firearms in the home is that it's also easy access to children as well. One of the big pushes right now is to try and educate gun owners to secure their weapons in the home. If the gun is there to grab in a seconds notice in case of an invader then it's also there in a seconds notice the a child to play with it. We have WAY too many accidental child gun deaths in American today. Even one is too many but there are hundreds each year. You can yell Cite, Cite but we both know that statement is true. It's like a dance, a very deadly dance, where you have to draw the line between a child's life and feeling completely secure in your home due to having a firearm.

Safety is always, and always should be, the number one priority of all gun owners. With rights comes responsibilities.

Do you have the accidental child gun death statistics?

I tried to look at a statistic for accidental gun deaths of children, but all I could get the global statistic (which included all the gang banger murders of children).

The reason for a lack of gun statistics is because the Dept. of Health is not allowed to collect these stats.

Do you know why?

You mean except for these...right?

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

Accidental deaths.....guns and otherwise....
2016:

2016: Kids ( <1 to age 14)
Total guns: ......74
Total Cars: 1,261




Suffocation: 1,215

Drowning: 713

Poisoning: 84

Traffic: 1,261

Guns: 74

<1......1
1-4.....34
5-9.....16
10-14....23

Under age drinking:

Underage Drinking-Why Do Adolescents Drink, What Are the Risks, and How Can Underage Drinking Be Prevented?

Each year, approximately 5,000 young people under the age of 21 die as a result of underage drinking; this includes about 1,900 deaths from motor vehicle crashes, 1,600 as a result of homicides, 300 from suicide, as well as hundreds from other injuries such as falls, burns, and drownings (1–5).

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

Accidental death total for 2016....

2016

Gun.....495

Car.......38,748

Cars are regulated, registered and licensed - guns are not. People are required to obtain a drivers license, those who do not, can be fined. People can lose their license for cause, and have their car confiscated for some crimes in some states.

Some day, you and other obsessed gun owners, the NRA and Congress Critters who put their job ahead of those 74 kids killed by guns will be responsible for a gun bill much more restrictive than you and they pretend the few "gun grabbers" seek today.

 

[2aguy]

more of the false equivalency.

One cares about gun rights that must automatically mean that he does not care for or has less care for the lives of children.

Idiot care more about keeping guns hidden or confiscated than having them readyTo defend children.

The problem of having easy access to firearms in the home is that it's also easy access to children as well. One of the big pushes right now is to try and educate gun owners to secure their weapons in the home. If the gun is there to grab in a seconds notice in case of an invader then it's also there in a seconds notice the a child to play with it. We have WAY too many accidental child gun deaths in American today. Even one is too many but there are hundreds each year. You can yell Cite, Cite but we both know that statement is true. It's like a dance, a very deadly dance, where you have to draw the line between a child's life and feeling completely secure in your home due to having a firearm.

Safety is always, and always should be, the number one priority of all gun owners. With rights comes responsibilities.

Do you have the accidental child gun death statistics?

I tried to look at a statistic for accidental gun deaths of children, but all I could get the global statistic (which included all the gang banger murders of children).

The reason for a lack of gun statistics is because the Dept. of Health is not allowed to collect these stats.

Do you know why?

You mean except for these...right?

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

Accidental deaths.....guns and otherwise....
2016:

2016: Kids ( <1 to age 14)
Total guns: ......74
Total Cars: 1,261




Suffocation: 1,215

Drowning: 713

Poisoning: 84

Traffic: 1,261

Guns: 74

<1......1
1-4.....34
5-9.....16
10-14....23

Under age drinking:

Underage Drinking-Why Do Adolescents Drink, What Are the Risks, and How Can Underage Drinking Be Prevented?

Each year, approximately 5,000 young people under the age of 21 die as a result of underage drinking; this includes about 1,900 deaths from motor vehicle crashes, 1,600 as a result of homicides, 300 from suicide, as well as hundreds from other injuries such as falls, burns, and drownings (1–5).

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

Accidental death total for 2016....

2016

Gun.....495

Car.......38,748

Cars are regulated, registered and licensed - guns are not. People are required to obtain a drivers license, those who do not, can be fined. People can lose their license for cause, and have their car confiscated for some crimes in some states.

Some day, you and other obsessed gun owners, the NRA and Congress Critters who put their job ahead of those 74 kids killed by guns will be responsible for a gun bill much more restrictive than you and they pretend the few "gun grabbers" seek today.

And as you know, driving is not a Right......Voting is a Right, Owning and carrying a gun is a Right. Any fee on a Right is equal to a Poll Tax which is a violation of the 14th Amendment and the Equal Protection Clause.....and Registration...the only reason asshats like you want registration is not to curb criminals, you want to know who owns the guns so you can eventually confiscate them as they did in Britain, France, Australia, Canada....

And again...actual criminals do not have to register their illegal guns.... so only normal people will be legally required to register their legal guns, you freaking doofus.....

So neither action, licensing and registration effects actual criminals...all it does is allow a doofus like you to feel morally superior....while criminals get all the illegal guns they want.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

That’s why we have a huge population of shitty people who are armed. Need to be armed to commit crime.

Just what point are you trying to make here? I don't think you intended to prove my point, but you just did.

That high lawful ownership rates guarantee high unlawful ownership and high homicide rates?

But it doesn't

Rural areas with high gun ownership have lower murder rates than inner cities with low gun ownership

I have already covered why that is. But you gun nutters don't understand it. You just try and use it to explain everything. Unless you can understand the phenomena then you are just taking up the bandwidth.

No it's you morons who keep chanting
MORE GUNS =MORE MURDER
MORE GUN LAWS = LESS MURDER

And I have told you many times that 70% of all murders occur in very small very concentrated areas of 2% of all counties in the US

BUt you ignore that because it doesn't fit your narrative

Let's take a look at this using the numbers.

19.3% of all the US population live in Rural Areas. That means 80.7 people live in urban or suburban areas.

Now we look at your crime rate of Rural versus Urban and Suburban. I won't use your numbers as I already know you just make shit up. So I'll use the real numbers. If I used your numbers, it would show that it would be extremely unhealthy to be living in a rural area since you would have a higher rate of being murdered than in a urban or suburban area. And even I won't buy that. So I'll jus t look it up. In 2014, per 1000, the figures for the US was 4.5 for Murder and Non Negligent Homicide. And for the Rural areas it was 3.0. The Metro Areas were 4.7. There are no new stats for the last two years but the reports coming out of law enforcement tells a story. The various agencies shows that the Metro Areas have either stayed the same or gone down while the Rural has gone up.

The reason for this increase is exactly the reason for the crime in the Metro Areas. JOBS or the lack of JOBS. It's finally hit the rural areas. In fact, with the loss of many of the Ag jobs, it's hit the Rural Areas much harder than the Metro areas recently. I don't think you know just how important that Farm really is. It affects the Processing Plants, the John Deere Shop, the Donut Shop, the Hardware Store, the Movie House, and every level of business and employment of that small town. The Farm doesn't have to shut down. It just has to get lower profits. And don't forget those mines that are either shutting down or cutting their production. Same thing goes. Rural America is getting slammed. And when that happens, tempers flair and crime increases.

Your figures are a bit high but not by very damned much. Rural America has almost caught up with Metro America in Violent Crime. It just took it longer to get the same conditions.

 

[Brain357]

Fact:

The risk of attacking someone who is armed is exponentially greater than the risk of attacking someone who is not armed.

I would like to see someone rebut that. And, in the unlikely event that someone can rebut the above fact, please tell our military to surrender all their guns and weapons.

That’s why we have a huge population of shitty people who are armed. Need to be armed to commit crime.

Just what point are you trying to make here? I don't think you intended to prove my point, but you just did.

That high lawful ownership rates guarantee high unlawful ownership and high homicide rates?

But it doesn't

Rural areas with high gun ownership have lower murder rates than inner cities with low gun ownership

Rural areas also don't have gangs and also hardly have people. Hard to get road rage when you never see anyone on the road.

 

[Brain357]

more of the false equivalency.

One cares about gun rights that must automatically mean that he does not care for or has less care for the lives of children.

Idiot care more about keeping guns hidden or confiscated than having them readyTo defend children.

The problem of having easy access to firearms in the home is that it's also easy access to children as well. One of the big pushes right now is to try and educate gun owners to secure their weapons in the home. If the gun is there to grab in a seconds notice in case of an invader then it's also there in a seconds notice the a child to play with it. We have WAY too many accidental child gun deaths in American today. Even one is too many but there are hundreds each year. You can yell Cite, Cite but we both know that statement is true. It's like a dance, a very deadly dance, where you have to draw the line between a child's life and feeling completely secure in your home due to having a firearm.

How many do we have exactly?
Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC
2016:

2016: Kids ( <1 to age 14)

Total guns: ......74
Total Cars: 1,261




Suffocation: 1,215

Drowning: 713

Poisoning: 84

Traffic: 1,261

Guns: 74

<1......1
1-4.....34
5-9.....16
10-14....23

Under age drinking: 5,000

Underage Drinking-Why Do Adolescents Drink, What Are the Risks, and How Can Underage Drinking Be Prevented?

Each year, approximately 5,000 young people under the age of 21 die as a result of underage drinking; this includes about 1,900 deaths from motor vehicle crashes, 1,600 as a result of homicides, 300 from suicide, as well as hundreds from other injuries such as falls, burns, and drownings (1–5).

https://nypost.com/2018/10/30/guns-send-over-8000-kids-to-er-every-year/

Gun injuries, including many from assaults, sent 75,000 children and teens to emergency rooms over nine years at a cost of almost $3 billion, a first-of-its-kind study found.

Researchers called it the first nationally representative study on ER visits for gun injuries among US kids. They found that more than one-third of the wounded children were hospitalized and 6 percent died. Injuries declined during most of the 2006-14 study, but there was an upswing in the final year.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Fact:

The risk of attacking someone who is armed is exponentially greater than the risk of attacking someone who is not armed.

I would like to see someone rebut that. And, in the unlikely event that someone can rebut the above fact, please tell our military to surrender all their guns and weapons.

That’s why we have a huge population of shitty people who are armed. Need to be armed to commit crime.

Just what point are you trying to make here? I don't think you intended to prove my point, but you just did.

That high lawful ownership rates guarantee high unlawful ownership and high homicide rates?

But it doesn't

Rural areas with high gun ownership have lower murder rates than inner cities with low gun ownership

Rural areas also don't have gangs and also hardly have people. Hard to get road rage when you never see anyone on the road.

Let me tell you about my younger days. I grew up in rural Colorado. One night, we were drinking (under age of course) walking along main street (staggering is more like it). A gang jumped the two of us. They knocked Jim down and put the boots to him. They kicked me in the crotch. I really didn't feel that. I nailed the one that did that hard. He went down and out. The others decided they didn't want anything to do with a drunk that hit that hard. They left. I picked Jim up and got him home. The Gang was about 14 years old except for the leader. I caught up with him a couple of days later (the hangover was over) and put the sucker in a hospital bed. I proceded to explain that my buddies were worse than I was and he decided to leave me the hell alone after that. I wasn't kidding. Those other buddies were all Athletes and off the Ranches and we fought each other for the fun of it. One day, I was a senior, he came up to me and asked my permission to stomp a person I didn't particularly like. I told him I could care less as long as he did it fair. He decided fair wasn't in his vocabulary and left the dude alone. There ARE gangs in Rural Areas whether you can see them or not. They may be organized like the one group or disorganized like me and my buddies but it's still a gang. The big difference between then and today is we didn't use weapons. Using a weapon was considered cowardice and all sides would turn on you. Today, all sides turn to weapons. It's a totally different culture. And we need to get rid of that culture.

 

[2aguy]

more of the false equivalency.

One cares about gun rights that must automatically mean that he does not care for or has less care for the lives of children.

Idiot care more about keeping guns hidden or confiscated than having them readyTo defend children.

The problem of having easy access to firearms in the home is that it's also easy access to children as well. One of the big pushes right now is to try and educate gun owners to secure their weapons in the home. If the gun is there to grab in a seconds notice in case of an invader then it's also there in a seconds notice the a child to play with it. We have WAY too many accidental child gun deaths in American today. Even one is too many but there are hundreds each year. You can yell Cite, Cite but we both know that statement is true. It's like a dance, a very deadly dance, where you have to draw the line between a child's life and feeling completely secure in your home due to having a firearm.

How many do we have exactly?
Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC
2016:

2016: Kids ( <1 to age 14)

Total guns: ......74
Total Cars: 1,261




Suffocation: 1,215

Drowning: 713

Poisoning: 84

Traffic: 1,261

Guns: 74

<1......1
1-4.....34
5-9.....16
10-14....23

Under age drinking: 5,000

Underage Drinking-Why Do Adolescents Drink, What Are the Risks, and How Can Underage Drinking Be Prevented?

Each year, approximately 5,000 young people under the age of 21 die as a result of underage drinking; this includes about 1,900 deaths from motor vehicle crashes, 1,600 as a result of homicides, 300 from suicide, as well as hundreds from other injuries such as falls, burns, and drownings (1–5).

https://nypost.com/2018/10/30/guns-send-over-8000-kids-to-er-every-year/

Gun injuries, including many from assaults, sent 75,000 children and teens to emergency rooms over nine years at a cost of almost $3 billion, a first-of-its-kind study found.

Researchers called it the first nationally representative study on ER visits for gun injuries among US kids. They found that more than one-third of the wounded children were hospitalized and 6 percent died. Injuries declined during most of the 2006-14 study, but there was an upswing in the final year.

Yeah......wrong. Their "Children" were gang members engaged in crime you moron...17 and 18, when are they considered children? ...not normal children raised in normal homes...but why would you and the anti gun researchers tell the truth about that?

The researchers focused on victims under age 18; the average age was about 15.
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Almost half the gun injuries were from assaults, nearly 40 percent were unintentional and 2 percent were suicides.

And the Article lied about research.....so right there your link is crap....

No, The Government Is Not 'Banned' From Studying Gun Violence

Absolutely nothing in the amendment prohibits the CDC from studying “gun violence,” even if this narrowly focused topic tells us little. In response to this inconvenient fact, gun controllers will explain that while there isn’t an outright ban, the Dickey amendment has a “chilling” effect on the study of gun violence.


Does it? Pointing out that “research plummeted after the 1996 ban” could just as easily tell us that most research funded by the CDC had been politically motivated. Because the idea that the CDC, whose spectacular mission creep has taken it from its primary goal of preventing malaria and other dangerous communicable diseases, to spending hundreds of millions of dollars nagging you about how much salt you put on your steaks or how often you do calisthenics, is nervous about the repercussions of engaging in non-partisan research is hard to believe.

Also unlikely is the notion that a $2.6 million cut in funding so horrified the agency that it was rendered powerless to pay for or conduct studies on gun violence. The CDC funding tripled from 1996 to 2010. The CDC’s budget is over six billion dollars today.

And the idea that the CDC was paralyzed through two-years of full Democratic Party control, and then six years under a president who was more antagonistic towards the Second Amendment than any other in history, is difficult to believe, because it’s provably false.

In 2013, President Barack Obama not only signed an Executive Order directing the CDC to research “gun violence,” the administration also provided an additional $10 million to do it. Here is the study on gun violence that was supposedly banned and yet funded by the CDC. You might not have heard about the resulting research, because it contains numerous inconvenient facts about gun ownership that fails to propel the predetermined narrative. Trump’s HHS Secretary Alex Azar is also open to the idea of funding more gun violence research.

It’s not banned. It’s not chilled.

Meanwhile, numerous states and private entities fund peer-reviewed studies and other research on gun violence. I know this because gun control advocates are constantly sending me studies that distort and conflate issues to help them make their arguments. My inbox is bombarded with studies and conferences and “webinars” dissecting gun violence.

The real problem here is two-fold. One, researchers want the CDC involved so they can access government data about American gun owners. Considering the rhetoric coming from Democrats — gun ownership being tantamount to terrorism, and so on — there’s absolutely no reason Republicans should acquiesce to helping gun controllers circumvent the privacy of Americans citizens peacefully practicing their Constitutional rights.

Second, gun control advocates want to lift the ban on politically skewed research because they’re interested in producing politically skewed research. When the American Medical Association declares gun violence a “public health crisis,” it’s not interested in a balance look at the issue. When researchers advocate lifting the restrictions on advocacy at the CDC, they don’t even pretend they not to hold pre-conceived notions about the outcomes.

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There’s no reason to allow activists — then or now — to use the veneer of state-sanctioned science for their partisan purposes. For example, we now know that Rosenberg and others at the CDC turned out to be wrong about the correlation between guns and crime — a steep drop in gun crimes coincided with the explosions of gun ownership from 1996 to 2014.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

more of the false equivalency.

One cares about gun rights that must automatically mean that he does not care for or has less care for the lives of children.

Idiot care more about keeping guns hidden or confiscated than having them readyTo defend children.

The problem of having easy access to firearms in the home is that it's also easy access to children as well. One of the big pushes right now is to try and educate gun owners to secure their weapons in the home. If the gun is there to grab in a seconds notice in case of an invader then it's also there in a seconds notice the a child to play with it. We have WAY too many accidental child gun deaths in American today. Even one is too many but there are hundreds each year. You can yell Cite, Cite but we both know that statement is true. It's like a dance, a very deadly dance, where you have to draw the line between a child's life and feeling completely secure in your home due to having a firearm.

How many do we have exactly?
Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC
2016:

2016: Kids ( <1 to age 14)

Total guns: ......74
Total Cars: 1,261




Suffocation: 1,215

Drowning: 713

Poisoning: 84

Traffic: 1,261

Guns: 74

<1......1
1-4.....34
5-9.....16
10-14....23

Under age drinking: 5,000

Underage Drinking-Why Do Adolescents Drink, What Are the Risks, and How Can Underage Drinking Be Prevented?

Each year, approximately 5,000 young people under the age of 21 die as a result of underage drinking; this includes about 1,900 deaths from motor vehicle crashes, 1,600 as a result of homicides, 300 from suicide, as well as hundreds from other injuries such as falls, burns, and drownings (1–5).

https://nypost.com/2018/10/30/guns-send-over-8000-kids-to-er-every-year/

Gun injuries, including many from assaults, sent 75,000 children and teens to emergency rooms over nine years at a cost of almost $3 billion, a first-of-its-kind study found.

Researchers called it the first nationally representative study on ER visits for gun injuries among US kids. They found that more than one-third of the wounded children were hospitalized and 6 percent died. Injuries declined during most of the 2006-14 study, but there was an upswing in the final year.

Yeah......wrong. Their "Children" were gang members engaged in crime you moron...17 and 18, when are they considered children? ...not normal children raised in normal homes...but why would you and the anti gun researchers tell the truth about that?

The researchers focused on victims under age 18; the average age was about 15.
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Almost half the gun injuries were from assaults, nearly 40 percent were unintentional and 2 percent were suicides.

And the Article lied about research.....so right there your link is crap....

No, The Government Is Not 'Banned' From Studying Gun Violence

Absolutely nothing in the amendment prohibits the CDC from studying “gun violence,” even if this narrowly focused topic tells us little. In response to this inconvenient fact, gun controllers will explain that while there isn’t an outright ban, the Dickey amendment has a “chilling” effect on the study of gun violence.


Does it? Pointing out that “research plummeted after the 1996 ban” could just as easily tell us that most research funded by the CDC had been politically motivated. Because the idea that the CDC, whose spectacular mission creep has taken it from its primary goal of preventing malaria and other dangerous communicable diseases, to spending hundreds of millions of dollars nagging you about how much salt you put on your steaks or how often you do calisthenics, is nervous about the repercussions of engaging in non-partisan research is hard to believe.

Also unlikely is the notion that a $2.6 million cut in funding so horrified the agency that it was rendered powerless to pay for or conduct studies on gun violence. The CDC funding tripled from 1996 to 2010. The CDC’s budget is over six billion dollars today.

And the idea that the CDC was paralyzed through two-years of full Democratic Party control, and then six years under a president who was more antagonistic towards the Second Amendment than any other in history, is difficult to believe, because it’s provably false.

In 2013, President Barack Obama not only signed an Executive Order directing the CDC to research “gun violence,” the administration also provided an additional $10 million to do it. Here is the study on gun violence that was supposedly banned and yet funded by the CDC. You might not have heard about the resulting research, because it contains numerous inconvenient facts about gun ownership that fails to propel the predetermined narrative. Trump’s HHS Secretary Alex Azar is also open to the idea of funding more gun violence research.

It’s not banned. It’s not chilled.

Meanwhile, numerous states and private entities fund peer-reviewed studies and other research on gun violence. I know this because gun control advocates are constantly sending me studies that distort and conflate issues to help them make their arguments. My inbox is bombarded with studies and conferences and “webinars” dissecting gun violence.

The real problem here is two-fold. One, researchers want the CDC involved so they can access government data about American gun owners. Considering the rhetoric coming from Democrats — gun ownership being tantamount to terrorism, and so on — there’s absolutely no reason Republicans should acquiesce to helping gun controllers circumvent the privacy of Americans citizens peacefully practicing their Constitutional rights.

Second, gun control advocates want to lift the ban on politically skewed research because they’re interested in producing politically skewed research. When the American Medical Association declares gun violence a “public health crisis,” it’s not interested in a balance look at the issue. When researchers advocate lifting the restrictions on advocacy at the CDC, they don’t even pretend they not to hold pre-conceived notions about the outcomes.

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There’s no reason to allow activists — then or now — to use the veneer of state-sanctioned science for their partisan purposes. For example, we now know that Rosenberg and others at the CDC turned out to be wrong about the correlation between guns and crime — a steep drop in gun crimes coincided with the explosions of gun ownership from 1996 to 2014.

You back to this same tired old crap again? An ultra right and I both agreed that there was no information available to determine the number of small children accidently shot in the home. The data just isn't there. Therefore, they have to use the data from the ages up to 17 and that what was presented. Almost ALL 17 and younger children are NOT in a gang of any kind. Your assumption is MOST are.

And the CDC was stopped from putting out any more "Gun Studies" because they were pushing the NRA agenda rather blatantly. I guess the paper routes didn't pan out so they had to get their part time money from somewhere else. One of your own pointed this out. Okay, not about the paper route but...... And it wasn't Obama, it was Congress that stopped them cold. It was either stop doing it or the Justice Department was going to prosecute. It was illegal as hell. Maybe you as a Party of Trump overlook the graft and bribery but not every Republican does. Or at least didn't back then. The job of tracking it has been relinquished to the ATF and FBI where it should have been in the first place.

 

[P@triot]

Raising the minimum wage works.

If it “works”, why has the minimum wage been raised 8 times in my lifetime?!?

President Trump and the Republicans cut taxes. You won’t see them do that 7 more times. You won’t even see it one more time until AFTER Dumbocrats raise taxes again.

When something “works” snowflake, it doesn’t have to be increased over and over and over. If something actually works, it only has to be done once.

So you must be able to point to 8 times where the local or regional economy crashed because of it.

And yet no...

Uh...yes we can, stupid. I’ve seen unemployment spike and experienced recessions 8 times in my lifetime.

 

[P@triot]

Thank God for our right to keep and bear arms...

Man on crime spree dressed as woman attempts to rob store — but clerk takes him down with handgun

Yes, another gun violent crime in a deep red state. Don't you see a problem here?

It’s not a “crime” to defend yourself in this country, snowflake. A crime was averted thanks to the 2nd Amendment right you so desperately want revoked.

 

[P@triot]

If guns make us safe and secure, why so many gun deaths compared to other civilized nations?

You pathetic excrement spewing hack, London murders more people than NY City...wait for it...using knives since guns are banned.

NYC has rather strong gun control.

And a higher murder rate than NH which does not have "strong gun control"

That’s funny. NYC is the largest city in the country. Why not compare to gun nut southern cities? NH doesn’t even have a large city. Every pro gun argument is dishonest..

And every left-wing whine fest ends with them claiming the argument “wasn’t fair” because they got their ass handed to them like you just did.

He didn’t compare Maybury to NYC. He took your progressive city and put it up against an entire state. Mic drop.

 

[P@triot]

That’s funny. NYC is the largest city in the country. Why not compare to gun nut southern cities? NH doesn’t even have a large city. Every pro gun argument is dishonest..

Once again you illustrate that you do not understand murder rates

Murder rates are expressed as murders per 100000 so it matters not if one state has a higher or lower population as it is not the number of murders that matters but the MURDER RATE

Brain357 isn’t the brightest bulb in the chandelier...

 

[P@triot]

If guns make us safe and secure, why so many gun deaths compared to other civilized nations?

Because idiot progressives illegally ban firearms where they can - creating victim zones. Such as schools.

The fact is, crime has been plummeting over the past 30 years as firearm sales have been skyrocketing. Game over.

Yes the BIG LIE, the grist of right wingers who use unrelated facts and unprincipled opinions. 'The fact is correlation does not prove causation.

When the ratio is 100%, it does.

How many mass shootings at an NRA meeting? 0
How about at F.B.I. headquarters? 0
Local police departments? 0

Gee...everywhere there are an abundance of firearms, there are 0 mass shootings. And mass shootings only occur where firearms are banned. How odd. If only there were a way to figure this out!

 

[P@triot]

Your easy access to guns means killers have easy access.

Criminals have easy access to everything, dumb shit. Heroin is illegal...how is that working out for ya? I can’t go an hour without hearing about our opioid “epidemic”.

 

[Skull Pilot]

more of the false equivalency.

One cares about gun rights that must automatically mean that he does not care for or has less care for the lives of children.

Idiot care more about keeping guns hidden or confiscated than having them readyTo defend children.

The problem of having easy access to firearms in the home is that it's also easy access to children as well. One of the big pushes right now is to try and educate gun owners to secure their weapons in the home. If the gun is there to grab in a seconds notice in case of an invader then it's also there in a seconds notice the a child to play with it. We have WAY too many accidental child gun deaths in American today. Even one is too many but there are hundreds each year. You can yell Cite, Cite but we both know that statement is true. It's like a dance, a very deadly dance, where you have to draw the line between a child's life and feeling completely secure in your home due to having a firearm.

Safety is always, and always should be, the number one priority of all gun owners. With rights comes responsibilities.

Do you have the accidental child gun death statistics?

I tried to look at a statistic for accidental gun deaths of children, but all I could get the global statistic (which included all the gang banger murders of children).

"Safety is always, and always should be, the number one priority of all gun owners. With rights comes responsibilities."

Safety is always, and always should be the number one priority of all drivers. Sadly, "should" doesn't work.

Laws and regulations are necessary but not sufficient to prevent DUI's and Reckless drivers, accidents and even murders by motor vehicles.

Vehicle codes, jail and fines limit all of the above.

Thank you for providing more evidence that licensing and registration ought to be required by the popular vote of citizens in each state.

Let the Red States arm every person no matter their race, ethnicity or mental state. Blue States can let the We the People, by popular vote, to require all persons who want to own, possess or have in their custody and control a firearm an to register all guns in which they own.

Then licensing and registration should be required for all rights.

So if you want your first, third, fourth , fifth etc amendment rights you should have to pay a fee to get licensed and registered for each and every one if you fail to do so you are barred from the exercise of any of those rights.