Proof That The Right Has Truth On Its Side

[NYcarbineer]

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Let's hear no more nonsense about Nazism being rightwing.

Tell that to the liberal Jewish community in Germany in the 1st half of the 20th century.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Gee-----I am amazed. I grew up in a SOLIDLY republican town-------and SOLIDLY NAZI -----in the 50s. Demos were the Nazi supporters? Since
when? I have never met a HOLOCAUST DENYING DEMOCRAT-----here---
in the NORTH EAST USA----------I think this sort of stuff is regional.
Like in the south and WEST-------one can be simultaneously democrat----
claim LIBERTARIAN and also be a Nazi I do not ascribe to the
LEFT VS RIGHT thing

Let's keep the record straight:

My contention is that Nazis and Fascists are just as much Leftists as Communists and Socialists.

The aims and methods are consubstantial.....and differ only in degree.





Write this down, laminate it for your wallet...and memorize it:
Communism, Socialism, Nazism, Modern Liberalism, Progressivism, and Fascism are all Leftists political doctrines.....

...not a rightwing credenda among 'em.


Rightwing?
This:
Defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognition that the individual as the most important element of society.

Can I get an 'amen'?

Oh----ok ------that is where you go wrong. ------but, AGAIN---the issue may be
where you go wrong. In the region in which I grew up in the USA------being a
DEMOCRAT meant------"probably a minority group member" -----"pro union"
"anti Mc Carthy" "not anti feeding the poor" "might be accused of being a
"n*&&er lover" or "joo lover"-----by the local wasps and not eligible to join the
local restricted Golf club.

I admit that the groups did change character in the 1960s -------when HIPPIES
blurred the lines and became totalitarian supporters of characters like POL POT----
but voted democrat

I've never gone wrong.

This is my contention, and the fact:
My contention is that Nazis and Fascists are just as much Leftists as Communists and Socialists.

The aims and methods are consubstantial.....and differ only in degree.


The problem was exacerbated in the 60s but began far earlier.


Progressives, Liberals, Democrats authorized the idea of a 'Master Race' long before Hitler did.
...:"the Master Race."

It brings the Nazis to mind.
And it was the plan at the heart of Progressivism, as well.


".... the American experience with eugenics, the “policy science” of creating a master race.
.... it was all the rage in the Progressive Era. Eugenicswas not a fringe movement; it was at the core ofruling-class politics, education, and culture. It was responsible for many of the early experiments in labor regulation. It was the driving force behind marriage licenses,minimum wages,restrictions on opportunities for women, and immigration quotas and controls.

The more I’ve looked into the subject, the more I’m convinced that it is not possible fully to understand the birth of the 20th century Leviathan without an awareness of eugenics. Eugenics was the original sin of the modern state that knows no limits to its power."
Why the Holocaust Should Matter to You | Jeffrey Tucker




Fact is, the Nazis learned eugenics from the American Progressives...

"Only after eugenics became entrenched in the United States was the campaign transplanted into Germany, in no small measure through the efforts of California eugenicists, who published booklets idealizing sterilization and circulated them to German official and scientists.

Hitler studied American eugenics laws....
Hitler proudly told his comrades just how closely he followed the progress of the American eugenics movement. "I have studied with great interest," he told a fellow Nazi, "the laws of several American states concerning prevention of reproduction by people whose progeny would, in all probability, be of no value or be injurious to the racial stock."
The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics



Hitler wrote to the president of the American Eugenics Society to ask for a copy of his“The Case for Sterilization.”
(Margaret Sanger and Sterilization)

German race science stood on American progressive’s shoulders.


Do you need me to provide the quote where Bill's wife demands to be called a 'Progressive'?


Let's hear no more nonsense about Nazism being rightwing.

yeah yeah yeah--------all the VERY GOOD REASONS that I object to the
RIGHT VS LEFT designations --------they SHIFT incessantly-----such
usages DESCRIBE NOTHING ------one might as well discuss RIGHT HANDED
PERSONS vs LEFT HANDED PERSONS---

You can object all you like...but you would be wrong.

I will not allow the slander that Nazis and Fascists are rightwing.

So who are the Right? Where was the rightwing in the 1st half of the 20th century?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Gee-----I am amazed. I grew up in a SOLIDLY republican town-------and SOLIDLY NAZI -----in the 50s. Demos were the Nazi supporters? Since
when? I have never met a HOLOCAUST DENYING DEMOCRAT-----here---
in the NORTH EAST USA----------I think this sort of stuff is regional.
Like in the south and WEST-------one can be simultaneously democrat----
claim LIBERTARIAN and also be a Nazi I do not ascribe to the
LEFT VS RIGHT thing

Let's keep the record straight:

My contention is that Nazis and Fascists are just as much Leftists as Communists and Socialists.

The aims and methods are consubstantial.....and differ only in degree.





Write this down, laminate it for your wallet...and memorize it:
Communism, Socialism, Nazism, Modern Liberalism, Progressivism, and Fascism are all Leftists political doctrines.....

...not a rightwing credenda among 'em.


Rightwing?
This:
Defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognition that the individual as the most important element of society.

Can I get an 'amen'?

Oh----ok ------that is where you go wrong. ------but, AGAIN---the issue may be
where you go wrong. In the region in which I grew up in the USA------being a
DEMOCRAT meant------"probably a minority group member" -----"pro union"
"anti Mc Carthy" "not anti feeding the poor" "might be accused of being a
"n*&&er lover" or "joo lover"-----by the local wasps and not eligible to join the
local restricted Golf club.

I admit that the groups did change character in the 1960s -------when HIPPIES
blurred the lines and became totalitarian supporters of characters like POL POT----
but voted democrat

I've never gone wrong.

This is my contention, and the fact:
My contention is that Nazis and Fascists are just as much Leftists as Communists and Socialists.

The aims and methods are consubstantial.....and differ only in degree.


The problem was exacerbated in the 60s but began far earlier.


Progressives, Liberals, Democrats authorized the idea of a 'Master Race' long before Hitler did.
...:"the Master Race."

It brings the Nazis to mind.
And it was the plan at the heart of Progressivism, as well.


".... the American experience with eugenics, the “policy science” of creating a master race.
.... it was all the rage in the Progressive Era. Eugenicswas not a fringe movement; it was at the core ofruling-class politics, education, and culture. It was responsible for many of the early experiments in labor regulation. It was the driving force behind marriage licenses,minimum wages,restrictions on opportunities for women, and immigration quotas and controls.

The more I’ve looked into the subject, the more I’m convinced that it is not possible fully to understand the birth of the 20th century Leviathan without an awareness of eugenics. Eugenics was the original sin of the modern state that knows no limits to its power."
Why the Holocaust Should Matter to You | Jeffrey Tucker




Fact is, the Nazis learned eugenics from the American Progressives...

"Only after eugenics became entrenched in the United States was the campaign transplanted into Germany, in no small measure through the efforts of California eugenicists, who published booklets idealizing sterilization and circulated them to German official and scientists.

Hitler studied American eugenics laws....
Hitler proudly told his comrades just how closely he followed the progress of the American eugenics movement. "I have studied with great interest," he told a fellow Nazi, "the laws of several American states concerning prevention of reproduction by people whose progeny would, in all probability, be of no value or be injurious to the racial stock."
The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics



Hitler wrote to the president of the American Eugenics Society to ask for a copy of his“The Case for Sterilization.”
(Margaret Sanger and Sterilization)

German race science stood on American progressive’s shoulders.


Do you need me to provide the quote where Bill's wife demands to be called a 'Progressive'?


Let's hear no more nonsense about Nazism being rightwing.

Let's hear no more bullshit that's it's not.

Barnard vulgarity.

Profanity is the effort of a feeble mind to express itself forcefully.

Sewage mouthed harpies like yourself have no standing on such matters.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Gee-----I am amazed. I grew up in a SOLIDLY republican town-------and SOLIDLY NAZI -----in the 50s. Demos were the Nazi supporters? Since
when? I have never met a HOLOCAUST DENYING DEMOCRAT-----here---
in the NORTH EAST USA----------I think this sort of stuff is regional.
Like in the south and WEST-------one can be simultaneously democrat----
claim LIBERTARIAN and also be a Nazi I do not ascribe to the
LEFT VS RIGHT thing

Let's keep the record straight:

My contention is that Nazis and Fascists are just as much Leftists as Communists and Socialists.

The aims and methods are consubstantial.....and differ only in degree.





Write this down, laminate it for your wallet...and memorize it:
Communism, Socialism, Nazism, Modern Liberalism, Progressivism, and Fascism are all Leftists political doctrines.....

...not a rightwing credenda among 'em.


Rightwing?
This:
Defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognition that the individual as the most important element of society.

Can I get an 'amen'?

Oh----ok ------that is where you go wrong. ------but, AGAIN---the issue may be
where you go wrong. In the region in which I grew up in the USA------being a
DEMOCRAT meant------"probably a minority group member" -----"pro union"
"anti Mc Carthy" "not anti feeding the poor" "might be accused of being a
"n*&&er lover" or "joo lover"-----by the local wasps and not eligible to join the
local restricted Golf club.

I admit that the groups did change character in the 1960s -------when HIPPIES
blurred the lines and became totalitarian supporters of characters like POL POT----
but voted democrat

I've never gone wrong.

This is my contention, and the fact:
My contention is that Nazis and Fascists are just as much Leftists as Communists and Socialists.

The aims and methods are consubstantial.....and differ only in degree.


The problem was exacerbated in the 60s but began far earlier.


Progressives, Liberals, Democrats authorized the idea of a 'Master Race' long before Hitler did.
...:"the Master Race."

It brings the Nazis to mind.
And it was the plan at the heart of Progressivism, as well.


".... the American experience with eugenics, the “policy science” of creating a master race.
.... it was all the rage in the Progressive Era. Eugenicswas not a fringe movement; it was at the core ofruling-class politics, education, and culture. It was responsible for many of the early experiments in labor regulation. It was the driving force behind marriage licenses,minimum wages,restrictions on opportunities for women, and immigration quotas and controls.

The more I’ve looked into the subject, the more I’m convinced that it is not possible fully to understand the birth of the 20th century Leviathan without an awareness of eugenics. Eugenics was the original sin of the modern state that knows no limits to its power."
Why the Holocaust Should Matter to You | Jeffrey Tucker




Fact is, the Nazis learned eugenics from the American Progressives...

"Only after eugenics became entrenched in the United States was the campaign transplanted into Germany, in no small measure through the efforts of California eugenicists, who published booklets idealizing sterilization and circulated them to German official and scientists.

Hitler studied American eugenics laws....
Hitler proudly told his comrades just how closely he followed the progress of the American eugenics movement. "I have studied with great interest," he told a fellow Nazi, "the laws of several American states concerning prevention of reproduction by people whose progeny would, in all probability, be of no value or be injurious to the racial stock."
The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics



Hitler wrote to the president of the American Eugenics Society to ask for a copy of his“The Case for Sterilization.”
(Margaret Sanger and Sterilization)

German race science stood on American progressive’s shoulders.


Do you need me to provide the quote where Bill's wife demands to be called a 'Progressive'?


Let's hear no more nonsense about Nazism being rightwing.

yeah yeah yeah--------all the VERY GOOD REASONS that I object to the
RIGHT VS LEFT designations --------they SHIFT incessantly-----such
usages DESCRIBE NOTHING ------one might as well discuss RIGHT HANDED
PERSONS vs LEFT HANDED PERSONS---

You can object all you like...but you would be wrong.

I will not allow the slander that Nazis and Fascists are rightwing.

So where would you place the anti-Roosevelt, anti-Communist, anti-Jewish, largely Republican German-American Bund of the 1930's?

Liberal?

lolol. Good one, Corky.

 

[irosie91]

Let's keep the record straight:

My contention is that Nazis and Fascists are just as much Leftists as Communists and Socialists.

The aims and methods are consubstantial.....and differ only in degree.





Write this down, laminate it for your wallet...and memorize it:
Communism, Socialism, Nazism, Modern Liberalism, Progressivism, and Fascism are all Leftists political doctrines.....

...not a rightwing credenda among 'em.


Rightwing?
This:
Defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognition that the individual as the most important element of society.

Can I get an 'amen'?

Oh----ok ------that is where you go wrong. ------but, AGAIN---the issue may be
where you go wrong. In the region in which I grew up in the USA------being a
DEMOCRAT meant------"probably a minority group member" -----"pro union"
"anti Mc Carthy" "not anti feeding the poor" "might be accused of being a
"n*&&er lover" or "joo lover"-----by the local wasps and not eligible to join the
local restricted Golf club.

I admit that the groups did change character in the 1960s -------when HIPPIES
blurred the lines and became totalitarian supporters of characters like POL POT----
but voted democrat

I've never gone wrong.

This is my contention, and the fact:
My contention is that Nazis and Fascists are just as much Leftists as Communists and Socialists.

The aims and methods are consubstantial.....and differ only in degree.


The problem was exacerbated in the 60s but began far earlier.


Progressives, Liberals, Democrats authorized the idea of a 'Master Race' long before Hitler did.
...:"the Master Race."

It brings the Nazis to mind.
And it was the plan at the heart of Progressivism, as well.


".... the American experience with eugenics, the “policy science” of creating a master race.
.... it was all the rage in the Progressive Era. Eugenicswas not a fringe movement; it was at the core ofruling-class politics, education, and culture. It was responsible for many of the early experiments in labor regulation. It was the driving force behind marriage licenses,minimum wages,restrictions on opportunities for women, and immigration quotas and controls.

The more I’ve looked into the subject, the more I’m convinced that it is not possible fully to understand the birth of the 20th century Leviathan without an awareness of eugenics. Eugenics was the original sin of the modern state that knows no limits to its power."
Why the Holocaust Should Matter to You | Jeffrey Tucker




Fact is, the Nazis learned eugenics from the American Progressives...

"Only after eugenics became entrenched in the United States was the campaign transplanted into Germany, in no small measure through the efforts of California eugenicists, who published booklets idealizing sterilization and circulated them to German official and scientists.

Hitler studied American eugenics laws....
Hitler proudly told his comrades just how closely he followed the progress of the American eugenics movement. "I have studied with great interest," he told a fellow Nazi, "the laws of several American states concerning prevention of reproduction by people whose progeny would, in all probability, be of no value or be injurious to the racial stock."
The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics



Hitler wrote to the president of the American Eugenics Society to ask for a copy of his“The Case for Sterilization.”
(Margaret Sanger and Sterilization)

German race science stood on American progressive’s shoulders.


Do you need me to provide the quote where Bill's wife demands to be called a 'Progressive'?


Let's hear no more nonsense about Nazism being rightwing.

yeah yeah yeah--------all the VERY GOOD REASONS that I object to the
RIGHT VS LEFT designations --------they SHIFT incessantly-----such
usages DESCRIBE NOTHING ------one might as well discuss RIGHT HANDED
PERSONS vs LEFT HANDED PERSONS---

You can object all you like...but you would be wrong.

I will not allow the slander that Nazis and Fascists are rightwing.

So who are the Right? Where was the rightwing in the 1st half of the 20th century?

in the first half of the 20th century------the RIGHT WING people were republicans----
who opposed unions, and social welfare, and hated ROOSEVELT ----they
tended to be MORE wealthy than "democrats"-----and dominated the
RESTRICTED COUNTRY CLUBS-------------except in the southern part of the USA
where hatred for LINCOLN made even the PLANTATION OWNERS-----democrats
by party affiliation

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

no thanks----BROAD GENERALIZATIONS -----east is east and west is west and
never the twain shall meet------are IDIOT PLATITUDES.

Stalin was left and Adolf was right----------your universe makes no sense

And no proof of anything, either.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

no thanks----BROAD GENERALIZATIONS -----east is east and west is west and
never the twain shall meet------are IDIOT PLATITUDES.

Stalin was left and Adolf was right----------your universe makes no sense

Sociopaths like PC and Trump like to hear themselves talk. And talk. And talk. And talk is cheap.

 

[PoliticalChic]

no thanks----BROAD GENERALIZATIONS -----east is east and west is west and
never the twain shall meet------are IDIOT PLATITUDES.

Stalin was left and Adolf was right----------your universe makes no sense

And no proof of anything, either.

"As you may be able to guess from the Cyrillic writing accompanying it, it was a Soviet Swastika -- used by the Red Army in its early days. It was worn as a shoulder patch by some Soviet troops. The Swastika too was a socialist symbol long before Hitler became influential. Prewar socialists (including some American socialists) used it on the grounds that it has two arms representing two entwined letters "S" (for "Socialist"). So even Hitler's symbolism was Leftist."
HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST



Can you say "Duuhhhhhh..."?

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

no thanks----BROAD GENERALIZATIONS -----east is east and west is west and
never the twain shall meet------are IDIOT PLATITUDES.

Stalin was left and Adolf was right----------your universe makes no sense

Wrong again.

Stalin and Hitler were both Leftists.

Please don't take away their hopes that Hitler was right. They hold on to those stories much like others do of Loch Ness and Bigfoot.

Hitler was a conservative.

Hitler was as much a conservative as he was a supporter of the Jewish culture. You can hang on to your stories all you want, it wont make them true.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Please don't take away their hopes that Hitler was right. They hold on to those stories much like others do of Loch Ness and Bigfoot.

Hitler was a conservative.

Yeah, right, because conservatives were big supporters of socialized medicine, government funded childcare, government pensions and free education.

Only if they were smart.

A smart person would never say what you just posted.

Really? one just did.

Daws apparently doesn't realize the amount of national debt, constant need for budget cuts, and a lack of quality care associated with socialized medicine. Anyone that thinks government can do it better really isn't operating with a ful deck.

 

[PoliticalChic]

no thanks----BROAD GENERALIZATIONS -----east is east and west is west and
never the twain shall meet------are IDIOT PLATITUDES.

Stalin was left and Adolf was right----------your universe makes no sense

Wrong again.

Stalin and Hitler were both Leftists.

Please don't take away their hopes that Hitler was right. They hold on to those stories much like others do of Loch Ness and Bigfoot.

Hitler was a conservative.

Hitler was as much a conservative as he was a supporter of the Jewish culture. You can hang on to your stories all you want, it wont make them true.

They squeal like stuck pigs when the truth is revealed....that these Liberals share the same political background with both Hitler and Stalin....Leftism.


Apologies to pigs.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hitler was a conservative.

Yeah, right, because conservatives were big supporters of socialized medicine, government funded childcare, government pensions and free education.

Only if they were smart.

A smart person would never say what you just posted.

Really? one just did.

Daws apparently doesn't realize the amount of national debt, constant need for budget cuts, and a lack of quality care associated with socialized medicine. Anyone that thinks government can do it better really isn't operating with a ful deck.

Earlier in a thread, one dope tried to bring up Sweden....some sort of socialist Utopia....not realizing this:

1. Competition: "Private companies also vie with each other to provide state-funded health services and care for the elderly….Sweden is pioneering “a new conservative model”…
2. "“The welfare state we have is excellent in most ways,” says Gunnar Viby Mogensen, a Danish historian. “We only have this little problem. We can’t afford it.”
3. 1. ….they have reached the future first. They are grappling with problems that other countries too will have to deal with in due course, such as what to do when you reach the limits of big government and how to organise society when almost all women work.
   2. … the new Nordic model is proving strikingly successful. The Nordics dominate indices of competitiveness as well as of well-being. Their high scores in both types of league table mark a big change since the 1980s when welfare took precedence over competitiveness.”
   http://www.economist.com/news/speci...einventing-their-model-capitalism-says-adrian

"Sweden has also donned the golden straitjacket of fiscal orthodoxy >>>"
Ibid.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

[

3. A stagnant economy where workers have little bargaining power.

"

Remind us which pro-union conservatives you'll be voting for?

I'm sorry, I must have missed it. What have we seen in the way of economic improvement or union work boom while Pelosi, Reed, and Obama were running the country? The mainstream media seems to have be pretty silent and hasn't given it much thought or attention to this big explosion in union work during that time. We need to be posting those results so we can give credit where credit is due.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

no thanks----BROAD GENERALIZATIONS -----east is east and west is west and
never the twain shall meet------are IDIOT PLATITUDES.

Stalin was left and Adolf was right----------your universe makes no sense

Wrong again.

Stalin and Hitler were both Leftists.

Please don't take away their hopes that Hitler was right. They hold on to those stories much like others do of Loch Ness and Bigfoot.

Hitler was a conservative.

Hitler was as much a conservative as he was a supporter of the Jewish culture. You can hang on to your stories all you want, it wont make them true.

They squeal like stuck pigs when the truth is revealed....that these Liberals share the same political background with both Hitler and Stalin....Leftism.


Apologies to pigs.

Without the need to go that far, just look at what all these government provisions and "goodies" has done to the people of Greece and their economy? Is it any wonder Great Britian supporters are calling for England's separation from the Euro?

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Don't waste your time. PoliticalChic suffers from willful stupidity on this point.

Nope. Leftwingers are the ones who are willfully stupid about the issue. Their entirely universe depends on Hitler being a right-winger. In other words, it depends on a lie.

If you actually believe it makes any difference what Hitler was you're not the brightest light on the string or sharpest knife in the drawer. Unless you're a Jew...get over it!!

It certainly makes a difference....or you Leftists wouldn't be this upset when the truth is revealed.


This truth:

"American progressives, for the most part, did not disavow fascism until the horrors of the Nazi Holocaust became manifest during World War II. After the war, those progressives who had praised Mussolini and Hitler in the 1920s and 1930s had no choice but to dissociate themselves from fascism.

“Accordingly,” writes Jonah Goldberg, “leftist intellectuals redefined fascism as 'right-wing' and projected their own sins onto conservatives, even as they continued to borrow heavily from fascist and pre-fascist thought.” This progressive campaign to recast fascism as the "right-wing" antithesis of communism was aided by Joseph Stalin,..."
Goldberg, Liberal Fascism



Now...take the Holocaust as an example....although one American President actually authorized concentration camps for his citizens, and while Nazis, Fascists, and Communists were once one big, comfortable association with American Progressives and that very same President, the catalog of Nazi crimes caused American Progressives to suddenly claim that....no, Nazis were not really of the Left...they had to be the very opposite.



" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

Gee-----I am amazed. I grew up in a SOLIDLY republican town-------and SOLIDLY NAZI -----in the 50s. Demos were the Nazi supporters? Since
when? I have never met a HOLOCAUST DENYING DEMOCRAT-----here---
in the NORTH EAST USA----------I think this sort of stuff is regional.
Like in the south and WEST-------one can be simultaneously democrat----
claim LIBERTARIAN and also be a Nazi I do not ascribe to the
LEFT VS RIGHT thing

Let's keep the record straight:

My contention is that Nazis and Fascists are just as much Leftists as Communists and Socialists.

The aims and methods are consubstantial.....and differ only in degree.





Write this down, laminate it for your wallet...and memorize it:
Communism, Socialism, Nazism, Modern Liberalism, Progressivism, and Fascism are all Leftists political doctrines.....

...not a rightwing credenda among 'em.


Rightwing?
This:
Defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognition that the individual as the most important element of society.

Can I get an 'amen'?

By equating far disparate political and economic philosophies, which may share only limited commonalities, into a single group and characterizing them as, what was the word you used in your post to which I'm responding, consubstantial - meaning of the same substance or essence, is blatantly ABSURD. You just love to remove context from the scene to make the canvas over after your own distorted image of the World, HUH Chica!

Let's examine two of your abysmal six, fascism and liberalism and see if their widely accepted definitions in the Oxford (US) dictionary verify your assertion of consubstantiality.

fascist
practicing or supporting fascism

fascism
1 An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
1.1 (In general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

liberal
1 Open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values
1.1 Favorable to or respectful of individual rights and freedoms
1.2 (In a political context) favoring maximum individual liberty in political and social reform
1.3 (Liberal) Of or characteristic of Liberals or a Liberal Party.
1.4 (Liberal) (In the UK) relating to the Liberal Democrat Party
1.5 Theology Regarding many traditional beliefs as dispensable, invalidated by modern thought, or liable to change.

liberalism
The holding of liberal views

The definitions above from < Oxford Dictionaries definitions (american_english) (US) >

I don't see any match or commonality in essence or substance, any consubstantiality between the definitions of liberal or liberalism and fascist or fascism, one to the other. As a matter of fact, there is a very wide disparity, certainly and absolutely no match in substance or essence, so at least two conclusions can be derived from the above logical argument.

First, your long held assertion that, "Communism, Socialism, Nazism, Modern Liberalism, Progressivism, and Fascism are all Leftists political doctrines....." you posted and so many times prior is FALSE. Second, that you don't understand/comprehend the meaning of the $20 word "consubstantial", and which leads me to believe you're Catholic, Chica. Perhaps we have at least that in common!

Have a nice Day, Chica!

 

[daws101]

Gee-----I am amazed. I grew up in a SOLIDLY republican town-------and SOLIDLY NAZI -----in the 50s. Demos were the Nazi supporters? Since
when? I have never met a HOLOCAUST DENYING DEMOCRAT-----here---
in the NORTH EAST USA----------I think this sort of stuff is regional.
Like in the south and WEST-------one can be simultaneously democrat----
claim LIBERTARIAN and also be a Nazi I do not ascribe to the
LEFT VS RIGHT thing

Let's keep the record straight:

My contention is that Nazis and Fascists are just as much Leftists as Communists and Socialists.

The aims and methods are consubstantial.....and differ only in degree.





Write this down, laminate it for your wallet...and memorize it:
Communism, Socialism, Nazism, Modern Liberalism, Progressivism, and Fascism are all Leftists political doctrines.....

...not a rightwing credenda among 'em.


Rightwing?
This:
Defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognition that the individual as the most important element of society.

Can I get an 'amen'?

Oh----ok ------that is where you go wrong. ------but, AGAIN---the issue may be
where you go wrong. In the region in which I grew up in the USA------being a
DEMOCRAT meant------"probably a minority group member" -----"pro union"
"anti Mc Carthy" "not anti feeding the poor" "might be accused of being a
"n*&&er lover" or "joo lover"-----by the local wasps and not eligible to join the
local restricted Golf club.

I admit that the groups did change character in the 1960s -------when HIPPIES
blurred the lines and became totalitarian supporters of characters like POL POT----
but voted democrat

I've never gone wrong.

This is my contention, and the fact:
My contention is that Nazis and Fascists are just as much Leftists as Communists and Socialists.

The aims and methods are consubstantial.....and differ only in degree.


The problem was exacerbated in the 60s but began far earlier.


Progressives, Liberals, Democrats authorized the idea of a 'Master Race' long before Hitler did.
...:"the Master Race."

It brings the Nazis to mind.
And it was the plan at the heart of Progressivism, as well.


".... the American experience with eugenics, the “policy science” of creating a master race.
.... it was all the rage in the Progressive Era. Eugenicswas not a fringe movement; it was at the core ofruling-class politics, education, and culture. It was responsible for many of the early experiments in labor regulation. It was the driving force behind marriage licenses,minimum wages,restrictions on opportunities for women, and immigration quotas and controls.

The more I’ve looked into the subject, the more I’m convinced that it is not possible fully to understand the birth of the 20th century Leviathan without an awareness of eugenics. Eugenics was the original sin of the modern state that knows no limits to its power."
Why the Holocaust Should Matter to You | Jeffrey Tucker




Fact is, the Nazis learned eugenics from the American Progressives...

"Only after eugenics became entrenched in the United States was the campaign transplanted into Germany, in no small measure through the efforts of California eugenicists, who published booklets idealizing sterilization and circulated them to German official and scientists.

Hitler studied American eugenics laws....
Hitler proudly told his comrades just how closely he followed the progress of the American eugenics movement. "I have studied with great interest," he told a fellow Nazi, "the laws of several American states concerning prevention of reproduction by people whose progeny would, in all probability, be of no value or be injurious to the racial stock."
The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics



Hitler wrote to the president of the American Eugenics Society to ask for a copy of his“The Case for Sterilization.”
(Margaret Sanger and Sterilization)

German race science stood on American progressive’s shoulders.


Do you need me to provide the quote where Bill's wife demands to be called a 'Progressive'?


Let's hear no more nonsense about Nazism being rightwing.

Let's hear no more bullshit that's it's not.

Barnard vulgarity.

Profanity is the effort of a feeble mind to express itself forcefully.

Hardly , it's best expresses the content of the garbage you post.
People with an aversion to profanity usually have far worse emotional and mental problems.

 

[daws101]

no thanks----BROAD GENERALIZATIONS -----east is east and west is west and
never the twain shall meet------are IDIOT PLATITUDES.

Stalin was left and Adolf was right----------your universe makes no sense

Wrong again.

Stalin and Hitler were both Leftists.

Please don't take away their hopes that Hitler was right. They hold on to those stories much like others do of Loch Ness and Bigfoot.

Hitler was a conservative.

Hitler was as much a conservative as he was a supporter of the Jewish culture. You can hang on to your stories all you want, it wont make them true.

No but it does make them fact.
Far more important than truth.

 

[daws101]

Hitler was a conservative.

Yeah, right, because conservatives were big supporters of socialized medicine, government funded childcare, government pensions and free education.

Only if they were smart.

A smart person would never say what you just posted.

Really? one just did.

Daws apparently doesn't realize the amount of national debt, constant need for budget cuts, and a lack of quality care associated with socialized medicine. Anyone that thinks government can do it better really isn't operating with a ful deck.

Total bullshit.

 

[NYcarbineer]

no thanks----BROAD GENERALIZATIONS -----east is east and west is west and
never the twain shall meet------are IDIOT PLATITUDES.

Stalin was left and Adolf was right----------your universe makes no sense

Wrong again.

Stalin and Hitler were both Leftists.

Please don't take away their hopes that Hitler was right. They hold on to those stories much like others do of Loch Ness and Bigfoot.

Hitler was a conservative.

Hitler was as much a conservative as he was a supporter of the Jewish culture. You can hang on to your stories all you want, it wont make them true.

Didn't he support a strong military? Didn't he hate pacifism?

Are those liberal traits?

 

[daws101]

Difference Between Socialism and Liberalism
• Categorized under Ideology,Politics | Difference Between Socialism and Liberalism

Socialism vs Liberalism

The terms ‘socialism’ and liberalism’ are used a lot nowadays, and many people often mistake one for the other. In order to differentiate between these two terms, one must keep in mind the clear-cut differences by defining the prevailing ideology of each term. The tenets of socialism assert that the state should wield total economic power by manipulating prices of goods and wages of workers.

Furthermore, socialism requires people to submit to the rule of law. In return for their compliance, citizens are provided with resources rationed by the government. On the other hand, liberalism is more challenging to define since it is further divided into classical and modern liberalism. Classical liberalism states that the government should take control of an institution in order to ensure that it continues to be of service to the people, free of charge. Classical liberalism does not see any need for the government to enforce law and order and subjugate its citizens under the iron rule of law and order. However, modern liberalism veers away from this ideology by adding a new twist.

Modern liberalism asserts that aside from ensuring economic and political security, it is also the government’s job to interfere with people’s day-to-day affairs in order to maintain social security. Modern liberalism, in effect, can be compared to socialism, because both of them assert that the government can effectively uplift its citizens not only by seizing control of the economy or private institutions, but also by keeping a close watch on citizens to ensure that none of them become subversive. Many modern-day politicians have been supporting modern liberalism because they believe that the government can solve all problems once it is granted total power. These politicians point out the inequality of different classes in society, and propose reforms that at first seem to favor the poor and marginalized, but in the end just grants the government reason to extend its powers to curtail private interests. And even though liberals seem to advocate reforms to improve government policy, they are still embracing the same old political structure to further their own ambitions. The late U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt himself defined liberalism as the ‘saving grace for the far-sighted conservative,’ and also ‘reform what you want to preserve.’
Capitalists and supporters of democracy believe that socialism and modern liberalism are detrimental to economic progress. Because prices of goods and wage of workers is controlled directly by the government, privately-owned companies and institutions cannot flourish under a socialist or modern liberalist government. People who value freedom of speech and human rights likewise oppose socialism and modern liberalism, because they believe that such ideologies limit a citizen’s right to choose which products to buy, what job to take, what religious belief to espouse. Even though modern liberalism is more subtle and suave than socialism, it still ends up giving too much power to the government in the guise of economic, political, and social security.



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Difference Between Socialism and Liberalism