Putin Caves: Calls Obama to discuss U.S. proposal on Ukraine

[The Rabbi]

Putin will either proceed to take over more of the Ukraine, or he will move on Transnistria, or he will back off for now. If he backs off Obama will drop sanctions and Putin will have won a major victory. If he goes into Eastern Ukraine, Obama will do nothing and Putin will have won a major victory. If he goes into Transnistria Obama will do nothing and Putin will have won a major victory.
What is the downside for Putin in any of these scenarios? What will Obama have won in any of these scenarios?

Transnastia won independence from Moldava and sliced off a hunk. They will vote to return to Russia putting Putin virtually in Moldava and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Transnastia has the power as an independent nation no matter how tiny, to exercise their vote. Donetsk in Ukraine intends to breakaway too.

No doubt that Putin has had major victories while obama can't make it onto the board.

Those who think that sanctions against 7 Russian individuals and 4 Ukranians is bringing Russia to its knees can't be helped. They are too far removed from reality.

And those who think Comrade Putin has won major victories are indeed commie-lovers.

Those who think Putin didnt win probably need help tying their shoes.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Putin will either proceed to take over more of the Ukraine, or he will move on Transnistria, or he will back off for now. If he backs off Obama will drop sanctions and Putin will have won a major victory. If he goes into Eastern Ukraine, Obama will do nothing and Putin will have won a major victory. If he goes into Transnistria Obama will do nothing and Putin will have won a major victory.
What is the downside for Putin in any of these scenarios? What will Obama have won in any of these scenarios?

Transnastia won independence from Moldava and sliced off a hunk. They will vote to return to Russia putting Putin virtually in Moldava and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Transnastia has the power as an independent nation no matter how tiny, to exercise their vote. Donetsk in Ukraine intends to breakaway too.

No doubt that Putin has had major victories while obama can't make it onto the board.

Those who think that sanctions against 7 Russian individuals and 4 Ukranians is bringing Russia to its knees can't be helped. They are too far removed from reality.

According to you there is nothing anyone can do about anything Putin does. Why dont we just surrender to him now and get it over with?

Reduction absurdum, you clown. The comment was about a rebellious province of Moldova, Transnistria, that claims independence.

The west is near powerless to intervene in a Russian take over of SE Ukraine in order to reach and secure it and Transnistria.

We can't do anything militarily. Bush would not have done anything militarily.

 

[Geaux4it]

Far right reactionary war mongers. You were wrong in Vietnam, in Gulf II, and you will be wrong now.

Or . . . you and your eligible children go enlist and vet your enlistment papers on the Board.

Or we know you for the wankers you are.

You are posers, especially the veterans among you, who know better. Shame on you and your lack of patriotism.

WTF?

Like anyone needs to prove anything to anyone on USMB

LMAO

-Geaux

 

[The Rabbi]

Far right reactionary war mongers. You were wrong in Vietnam, in Gulf II, and you will be wrong now.

Or . . . you and your eligible children go enlist and vet your enlistment papers on the Board.

Or we know you for the wankers you are.

You are posers, especially the veterans among you, who know better. Shame on you and your lack of patriotism.

WTF?

Like anyone needs to prove anything to anyone on USMB

LMAO

-Geaux

It's Jake "Fact-Free" Starkey. His posts are made up of unsubstantiated opinions based on error, enmity, and ego. He is best ignored to death.

As for Putin, he has taken control of Crimea, he has put the fear of G-d into the other former Soviet states, and he has suffered absolutely not one bit. He has also exposed NATO as a paper tiger and Obama as a stuttering fool totally out of his depth. Remind me what loss he has suffered in any of this.

 

[Geaux4it]

Far right reactionary war mongers. You were wrong in Vietnam, in Gulf II, and you will be wrong now.

Or . . . you and your eligible children go enlist and vet your enlistment papers on the Board.

Or we know you for the wankers you are.

You are posers, especially the veterans among you, who know better. Shame on you and your lack of patriotism.

WTF?

Like anyone needs to prove anything to anyone on USMB

LMAO

-Geaux

It's Jake "Fact-Free" Starkey. His posts are made up of unsubstantiated opinions based on error, enmity, and ego. He is best ignored to death.

As for Putin, he has taken control of Crimea, he has put the fear of G-d into the other former Soviet states, and he has suffered absolutely not one bit. He has also exposed NATO as a paper tiger and Obama as a stuttering fool totally out of his depth. Remind me what loss he has suffered in any of this.

None, that's what.

There are many ways to communicate strength and Odummer is afraid to use any of them.

Peace is obtained as a result of strength, not rhetoric

-Geaux

 

[kidrocks]

WTF?

Like anyone needs to prove anything to anyone on USMB

LMAO

-Geaux

It's Jake "Fact-Free" Starkey. His posts are made up of unsubstantiated opinions based on error, enmity, and ego. He is best ignored to death.

As for Putin, he has taken control of Crimea, he has put the fear of G-d into the other former Soviet states, and he has suffered absolutely not one bit. He has also exposed NATO as a paper tiger and Obama as a stuttering fool totally out of his depth. Remind me what loss he has suffered in any of this.

None, that's what.

There are many ways to communicate strength and Odummer is afraid to use any of them.

Peace is obtained as a result of strength, not rhetoric

-Geaux

War is usually obtained as a result of strength. The history of mankind will show that. The Romans conquered the world as a result of their strength. Hitler tried mightily and so did the United States in Viet Nam. Strength invites land grabbing and warmongering. Just you look at Putin and Stalin before him.

 

[tinydancer]

It's Jake "Fact-Free" Starkey. His posts are made up of unsubstantiated opinions based on error, enmity, and ego. He is best ignored to death.

As for Putin, he has taken control of Crimea, he has put the fear of G-d into the other former Soviet states, and he has suffered absolutely not one bit. He has also exposed NATO as a paper tiger and Obama as a stuttering fool totally out of his depth. Remind me what loss he has suffered in any of this.

None, that's what.

There are many ways to communicate strength and Odummer is afraid to use any of them.

Peace is obtained as a result of strength, not rhetoric

-Geaux

War is usually obtained as a result of strength. The history of mankind will show that. The Romans conquered the world as a result of their strength. Hitler tried mightily and so did the United States in Viet Nam. Strength invites land grabbing and warmongering. Just you look at Putin and Stalin before him.

Crimea voted to rejoin Russia. No matter how many times you tell the lie that Putin pulled a land grab, you cannot erase the truth.

 

[mudwhistle]

None, that's what.

There are many ways to communicate strength and Odummer is afraid to use any of them.

Peace is obtained as a result of strength, not rhetoric

-Geaux

War is usually obtained as a result of strength. The history of mankind will show that. The Romans conquered the world as a result of their strength. Hitler tried mightily and so did the United States in Viet Nam. Strength invites land grabbing and warmongering. Just you look at Putin and Stalin before him.

Crimea voted to rejoin Russia. No matter how many times you tell the lie that Putin pulled a land grab, you cannot erase the truth.

The referendum happened after Russian troops took over all of their military bases.

I think Putin wanted to prevent what happened in Egypt.

 

[Meister]

I just called to say I'm sorry!







http://news.yahoo.com/russias-putin-calls-obama-discuss-u-proposal-ukraine-212358384.html

RIYADH (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin called U.S. President Barack Obama on Friday to discuss a U.S. diplomatic proposal for Ukraine, the White House said.

Come to find out, that's not what was said at all, huh, billie?

 

[kidrocks]

None, that's what.

There are many ways to communicate strength and Odummer is afraid to use any of them.

Peace is obtained as a result of strength, not rhetoric

-Geaux

War is usually obtained as a result of strength. The history of mankind will show that. The Romans conquered the world as a result of their strength. Hitler tried mightily and so did the United States in Viet Nam. Strength invites land grabbing and warmongering. Just you look at Putin and Stalin before him.

Crimea voted to rejoin Russia. No matter how many times you tell the lie that Putin pulled a land grab, you cannot erase the truth.

Crimea voted to join Russia after Putins land grab and at gun point. You stand corrected.

 

[R.C. Christian]

Putin will either proceed to take over more of the Ukraine, or he will move on Transnistria, or he will back off for now. If he backs off Obama will drop sanctions and Putin will have won a major victory. If he goes into Eastern Ukraine, Obama will do nothing and Putin will have won a major victory. If he goes into Transnistria Obama will do nothing and Putin will have won a major victory.
What is the downside for Putin in any of these scenarios? What will Obama have won in any of these scenarios?

Transnastia won independence from Moldava and sliced off a hunk. They will vote to return to Russia putting Putin virtually in Moldava and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Transnastia has the power as an independent nation no matter how tiny, to exercise their vote. Donetsk in Ukraine intends to breakaway too.

No doubt that Putin has had major victories while obama can't make it onto the board.

Those who think that sanctions against 7 Russian individuals and 4 Ukranians is bringing Russia to its knees can't be helped. They are too far removed from reality.

And those who think Comrade Putin has won major victories are indeed commie-lovers.

Oh that's fucking brilliant moron. What army will your bankrupt country send to fight the Russians? What will the pathetic military who allows faggots, and transexual filth in it's ranks do to undermine Putin in his own area of control since the Catherine the Fucking Great? What army of low IQ, 18 year old cannon fodder will join your fight before they commit suicide Arm Chair Genital? Will the ranks of officers that are being purged from the 2nd strike silos actually do the job when Obama and the neocons that control him actually start some shit they can't take back? What bunker will you run to punk?

You don't deserve an opinion on this topic you insignificant little faggot.

 

[kidrocks]

Transnastia won independence from Moldava and sliced off a hunk. They will vote to return to Russia putting Putin virtually in Moldava and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Transnastia has the power as an independent nation no matter how tiny, to exercise their vote. Donetsk in Ukraine intends to breakaway too.

No doubt that Putin has had major victories while obama can't make it onto the board.

Those who think that sanctions against 7 Russian individuals and 4 Ukranians is bringing Russia to its knees can't be helped. They are too far removed from reality.

And those who think Comrade Putin has won major victories are indeed commie-lovers.

Oh that's fucking brilliant moron. What army will your bankrupt country send to fight the Russians? What will the pathetic military who allows faggots, and transexual filth in it's ranks do to undermine Putin in his own area of control since the Catherine the Fucking Great? What army of low IQ, 18 year old cannon fodder will join your fight before they commit suicide Arm Chair Genital? Will the ranks of officers that are being purged from the 2nd strike silos actually do the job when Obama and the neocons that control him actually start some shit they can't take back? What bunker will you run to punk?

You don't deserve an opinion on this topic you insignificant little faggot.

Fred Phelps Sr... is that you?

 

[Avatar4321]

Putin will either proceed to take over more of the Ukraine, or he will move on Transnistria, or he will back off for now. If he backs off Obama will drop sanctions and Putin will have won a major victory. If he goes into Eastern Ukraine, Obama will do nothing and Putin will have won a major victory. If he goes into Transnistria Obama will do nothing and Putin will have won a major victory.
What is the downside for Putin in any of these scenarios? What will Obama have won in any of these scenarios?

Transnastia won independence from Moldava and sliced off a hunk. They will vote to return to Russia putting Putin virtually in Moldava and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Transnastia has the power as an independent nation no matter how tiny, to exercise their vote. Donetsk in Ukraine intends to breakaway too.

No doubt that Putin has had major victories while obama can't make it onto the board.

Those who think that sanctions against 7 Russian individuals and 4 Ukranians is bringing Russia to its knees can't be helped. They are too far removed from reality.

And those who think Comrade Putin has won major victories are indeed commie-lovers.

So taking control of Crimea isn't a major victory?

Exactly how do you define major victory? Because it seems like you are defining it as letting people walk over you like Obama has.

 

[kidrocks]

Transnastia won independence from Moldava and sliced off a hunk. They will vote to return to Russia putting Putin virtually in Moldava and there is nothing anyone can do about it. Transnastia has the power as an independent nation no matter how tiny, to exercise their vote. Donetsk in Ukraine intends to breakaway too.

No doubt that Putin has had major victories while obama can't make it onto the board.

Those who think that sanctions against 7 Russian individuals and 4 Ukranians is bringing Russia to its knees can't be helped. They are too far removed from reality.

And those who think Comrade Putin has won major victories are indeed commie-lovers.

So taking control of Crimea isn't a major victory?

Exactly how do you define major victory? Because it seems like you are defining it as letting people walk over you like Obama has.

A hard fought battle for Crimea it wasn't. Was it?

No. it is being described as a 'land-grab' by those in the know and that does not include you or I. Putin's taking of Crimea is downright naked aggression. That's how I define it.

 

[Avatar4321]

And those who think Comrade Putin has won major victories are indeed commie-lovers.

So taking control of Crimea isn't a major victory?

Exactly how do you define major victory? Because it seems like you are defining it as letting people walk over you like Obama has.

A hard fought battle for Crimea it wasn't. Was it?

No. it is being described as a 'land-grab' by those in the know and that does not include you or I. Putin's taking of Crimea is downright naked aggression. That's how I define it.

Major victories dont have to be hard fought. Especially when the other side capitulates.

Also, I can't help but notice you ignored the question.

 

[kidrocks]

So taking control of Crimea isn't a major victory?

Exactly how do you define major victory? Because it seems like you are defining it as letting people walk over you like Obama has.

A hard fought battle for Crimea it wasn't. Was it?

No. it is being described as a 'land-grab' by those in the know and that does not include you or I. Putin's taking of Crimea is downright naked aggression. That's how I define it.

Major victories dont have to be hard fought. Especially when the other side capitulates.

Also, I can't help but notice you ignored the question.

No, the taking of Crimea is not a 'major victory'. Sorry.

 

[Avatar4321]

A hard fought battle for Crimea it wasn't. Was it?

No. it is being described as a 'land-grab' by those in the know and that does not include you or I. Putin's taking of Crimea is downright naked aggression. That's how I define it.

Major victories dont have to be hard fought. Especially when the other side capitulates.

Also, I can't help but notice you ignored the question.

No, the taking of Crimea is not a 'major victory'. Sorry.

And why the heck not? You refuse to define major victory. The fact that they control Crimea tells us they've won this standoff so far. Because if they had backed down, Crimea would still be under the control of the Ukraine. It doesn't cease to be a major victory just because you say so.

 

[kidrocks]

Major victories dont have to be hard fought. Especially when the other side capitulates.

Also, I can't help but notice you ignored the question.

No, the taking of Crimea is not a 'major victory'. Sorry.

And why the heck not? You refuse to define major victory. The fact that they control Crimea tells us they've won this standoff so far. Because if they had backed down, Crimea would still be under the control of the Ukraine. It doesn't cease to be a major victory just because you say so.

You're definition of a "major victory" is laughable.

 

[Avatar4321]

No, the taking of Crimea is not a 'major victory'. Sorry.

And why the heck not? You refuse to define major victory. The fact that they control Crimea tells us they've won this standoff so far. Because if they had backed down, Crimea would still be under the control of the Ukraine. It doesn't cease to be a major victory just because you say so.

You're definition of a "major victory" is laughable.

Getting everything you want and making the US look stupid sure seems like a major victory to me.

But then you still refuse to give me your definition.

 

[tinydancer]

War is usually obtained as a result of strength. The history of mankind will show that. The Romans conquered the world as a result of their strength. Hitler tried mightily and so did the United States in Viet Nam. Strength invites land grabbing and warmongering. Just you look at Putin and Stalin before him.

Crimea voted to rejoin Russia. No matter how many times you tell the lie that Putin pulled a land grab, you cannot erase the truth.

The referendum happened after Russian troops took over all of their military bases.

I think Putin wanted to prevent what happened in Egypt.

Heads up cuz. Barely reported here and buried on back pages is that under a 1997 treaty between the Ukraine and Russia, Russia has been allowed up to 25,000 troops at their naval base in Crimea for the Black Sea Fleet.

I think this is when I really started spitting bullets over the bullshit we are getting from our leaders and our media.

What you had in advance of the referendum were pro Russian Crimean securing outlying bases.

And you must understand that with the overthrow of the duly elected President and government in Kiev that this new crew right in their party platform have vowed to strip Crimea of their autonomy, ban the Russian language, strip many "ethnic Russians" of their Ukrainian citizenship cripes the list goes on and on with these goons who perpetrated the coup.

It's a no brainer that Crimea ran to the arms of Moscow considering they are ethnically 60% Russian.

Truly. Our media has been worse than Pravda in the mid 80's. They have lied for our governments every step of the way.

Crimea was not invaded. Oh and btw not sure if you know this, but Crimea was Russian before one night old Nikita decided to give Crimea to the Ukraine in the mid 50's.

Crimeans have just voted to go back home.