Putin has placed his hand on the proverbial chopping block, does Obama have the nerve

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To do what must be done & chop it off? This is an easy opportunity that Putin himself has served up to Obama. Putin has made Obama look foolish at every turn up to this point. This is Obama's chance to oust Putin from the world stage, does he have what it takes to do it?

The whole world knows that Russian operatives shot down that plane. The US even claims to have actual footage of the launcher being driven back across the Russian border. Putin still has 10's of thousands of troops directly on the border. Putin could immediately allow investigators onto the crash scene if he wasn't trying to cover it up.

Balls in your court Obama
 
To do what must be done & chop it off? This is an easy opportunity that Putin himself has served up to Obama. Putin has made Obama look foolish at every turn up to this point. This is Obama's chance to oust Putin from the world stage, does he have what it takes to do it?

The whole world knows that Russian operatives shot down that plane. The US even claims to have actual footage of the launcher being driven back across the Russian border. Putin still has 10's of thousands of troops directly on the border. Putin could immediately allow investigators onto the crash scene if he wasn't trying to cover it up.

Balls in your court Obama

Putin denies it all, sweating, and whining. But do we do? Russia has nukes, we have already sent US investogators, condemned the insurgents, and gotten the world to agree also. But who do we hit? Russian terorists have the area COVERED. There are still Putin supporters in the US, he is a "Christian".:mad:
 
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What do you want him to do?

Play golf?

Fundraisers?

How about putting himself in front of a camera on the world stage and DEMAND Putin let the investigators in? DEMAND that Putin control the scene until investigators arrive? DEMAND that the looters be arrested?

Or golf?
 
What do you want him to do?

Play golf?

Fundraisers?

How about putting himself in front of a camera on the world stage and DEMAND Putin let the investigators in? DEMAND that Putin control the scene until investigators arrive? DEMAND that the looters be arrested?

Or golf?
Sad thing is, even when he made his few demands, I found his reticence less than believable he meant them. As I am sure Putin saw as well.
 
Nobody pays attention to his "lines in the sand" routine anymore---Putin had already called his hand on that once.
 
To do what must be done & chop it off? This is an easy opportunity that Putin himself has served up to Obama. Putin has made Obama look foolish at every turn up to this point. This is Obama's chance to oust Putin from the world stage, does he have what it takes to do it?

The whole world knows that Russian operatives shot down that plane. The US even claims to have actual footage of the launcher being driven back across the Russian border. Putin still has 10's of thousands of troops directly on the border. Putin could immediately allow investigators onto the crash scene if he wasn't trying to cover it up.

Balls in your court Obama

This is far more complicated than the game of "Risk" most people like to think of when considering the geopolitics of war.
 
To do what must be done & chop it off? This is an easy opportunity that Putin himself has served up to Obama. Putin has made Obama look foolish at every turn up to this point. This is Obama's chance to oust Putin from the world stage, does he have what it takes to do it?

The whole world knows that Russian operatives shot down that plane. The US even claims to have actual footage of the launcher being driven back across the Russian border. Putin still has 10's of thousands of troops directly on the border. Putin could immediately allow investigators onto the crash scene if he wasn't trying to cover it up.

Balls in your court Obama

This is far more complicated than the game of "Risk" most people like to think of when considering the geopolitics of war.

So complicated in fact that the average citizen has no way of knowing the real reasons that actions are taken.
 
What do you want him to do?

Play golf?

Fundraisers?

How about putting himself in front of a camera on the world stage and DEMAND Putin let the investigators in? DEMAND that Putin control the scene until investigators arrive? DEMAND that the looters be arrested?

Or golf?

Putin has no control over anything there, he just stirred the pot towards anarchy and is hoping things will eventually pan out in his favor. Besides he would have to invade with troops to do any of that and you do not want that to happen.

Putin has no control over the Russian separatists, I agree. I have seen Russians, or people claiming to be, write that they do not WANT those from Ukraine as part of the RUSSIA. Putin cannot control the Russian youth, how can he control the terrorists? Russia will SELL them weapons, and as you noted, hope it all goes away.
 
To do what must be done & chop it off? This is an easy opportunity that Putin himself has served up to Obama. Putin has made Obama look foolish at every turn up to this point. This is Obama's chance to oust Putin from the world stage, does he have what it takes to do it?

The whole world knows that Russian operatives shot down that plane. The US even claims to have actual footage of the launcher being driven back across the Russian border. Putin still has 10's of thousands of troops directly on the border. Putin could immediately allow investigators onto the crash scene if he wasn't trying to cover it up.

Balls in your court Obama

This is far more complicated than the game of "Risk" most people like to think of when considering the geopolitics of war.

So complicated in fact that the average citizen has no way of knowing the real reasons that actions are taken.

Yes, this about more than some image of two men facing each other over a chessboard. Lots and lots of powerful people have stakes in this and are doing self interested things in their spheres of influence. It's a fluid chaotic mess and no one is playing fair.
 
What do you want him to do?

Play golf?

Fundraisers?

How about putting himself in front of a camera on the world stage and DEMAND Putin let the investigators in? DEMAND that Putin control the scene until investigators arrive? DEMAND that the looters be arrested?

Or golf?

I can agree with that, DEMAND, we already condemned. US officials were scheduled to reach the area today I have read. Rurin's doubletalk so far may mean "I cannot stop these guys". Ukraine wants to, that we know.
 
Maybe the boy king can ride his girly bike in his girly jeans and scare the shit out of Putin?
 
Play golf?

Fundraisers?

How about putting himself in front of a camera on the world stage and DEMAND Putin let the investigators in? DEMAND that Putin control the scene until investigators arrive? DEMAND that the looters be arrested?

Or golf?

Putin has no control over anything there, he just stirred the pot towards anarchy and is hoping things will eventually pan out in his favor. Besides he would have to invade with troops to do any of that and you do not want that to happen.

Putin has no control over the Russian separatists, I agree. I have seen Russians, or people claiming to be, write that they do not WANT those from Ukraine as part of the RUSSIA. Putin cannot control the Russian youth, how can he control the terrorists? Russia will SELL them weapons, and as you noted, hope it all goes away.

Putin most certainly does have control. The leader of the so called separatists is ex Russian military.
 

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