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The trade deficit isn’t the problem. Illegal immigration barely is.What changes about the world are you angry about?3. We are angry about how the world has/is changing
Primarily in my mind, in the context of Trump's election, the loss of jobs and with it the near impossibility of a traditional one income traditional family.
Loss of jobs? Unemployment was falling throughout the Obama administration and unemployment had fallen from double digits to 5.5%. There were 10 million jobs added under the Obama administration.
As for the impossibility of a traditional one income family, that's been long gone for decades. Corporate profits are far more important.
My point was more about the long term decline of good jobs, and wage stagnation, not as a reaction to Obama or his administration.
As you say, the traditional one income family has been, if not gone, certainly nearly impossible for decades.
That was the result of policies, policies that failed to get the results we were promised. And when we complained, we were repeatedly and constantly shouted down and ignored.
hence, anger.
Until Trump. Finally someone who would shout BACK.
And his opponent was pretty clearly planning to be actively hostile to us and our interests so who to vote for, was a no brainer.
Lots of people have been complaining about drop in wages for Americans. Trump shouts about it but very clear he has no intention of doing anything about it. He blames the wrong people, not because they’re at fault but because they’re easy to blame.
The lack of ability to have a single wage family isn’t because of anything he’s talking about. It’s due to the sole push for higher corporate profits. Trump isn’t fighting that, he’s aiding it.
The trade deficit and immigration are both real parts of the problem.
BLaming china and immigrants are not easy in today's america. It gets you smeared as "wacist".
Lower level wages were showing some nice increases, prior to covid. Higher than high level wages, which is pretty h-u-g-e, imo.
The concerns of the Trump base are valid. The interests of the Trump base are legitimate.
They hysteria and the violent push back against them getting to engage in the political process?
That is not. Valid or legitimate.
it is not right to expect a group like us, to just accept being ignored and to shut up and take it.
We count to. We have a right to engage in the political process and calling us names, is just the name callers being assholes.
Who is exporting jobs and hiring illegals? It isn’t government. It’s businesses putting profits before people. Trump isn’t changing that. He’s all about corporate profits.
I heard a great story lately. Truck drivers used to have a strong union that provided long haul trucking a solid upper middle class lifestyle. Then they deregulated them. Corporations benefited because freight charges dropped a lot. But the truckers didn’t. Trucking companies convince people to sign up as independent contractors who sign leases for their trucks from the company. People can work their asses off and still pay the trucking company at the end of the month.
So yeah, policies are important but not the ones you’re thinking of. Blaming Mexico and China is easy but does basically nothing to address the problem.
1. Trade deficits are certainly a big part of the problem.
2. immigration, legal and illegal, is obviously a big part of the problem.
3. unions need to stop being the dems bitches.
You're complaining about low wages but have nothing to say about the people who are setting the wages.
Who's name is on their paycheck? Who sets their salary?
By and large, it's big corporations, who will pay their employees the bare minimum to keep profits high. Same reason they're buying materials and products from China and other developing nations. Low costs, high profits. Those profits mainly remain at the top by the way, they rarely filter down further.
donny gave bigcorp got a permant tax cut, whilst worker bees got a temporary one.
that there shows which side he's on.
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