Q:How badly is govt-sponsored education failing? A: A significant number are voting for a socialist!

[Timmy]

OK, let's have the Umptifratz State School for the Deaf and Blind play football against the Denver Broncos and see who comes out on top!

Pretty much how it played out. The public schools were just outclassed. There were some good kids from the public side, very good ones but they couldn't put it all together

Well i watched the NCAA football championships . Alabama (public) beat Clemson (private ) . So there!

Clemson is private? Somebody better tell them!

Clemson University/ˈklɛmsən/[6] is an American public, coeducational, land-grant and sea-grant research university in Clemson,South Carolina.

Clemson University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No shit ! I always thought it was private ! Like auburn .

Usually public schools are. "X state U". Or " u of state name at city "

Auburn is a public school. I ought to know because that is where I went to undergraduate school.

Auburn was Alabama Polytechnic Institute (API) up until 1960. It was originally East Alabama Male College,a private liberal arts college, and then Agricultural and Mechanical College of Alabama.

Clemson's name was Clemson Agricultural College of South Carolina.

What !? I can't keep up with these crazy southern schools . And in the mid west they swap letters for some reason . U of Oklahoma is know as "O U",?

 

[Timmy]

It is obvious my point went screaming over your head like the Blue Angels at the Super Bowl!

Either that or that was a pathetic attempt to admit you were wrong.

Wrong about what? The private schools destroyed the public schools, just as they do in state scores. There is no comparison

State scores? What private schools take the same tests that are required for public schools? Are we making crap up to justify your failed argument?

Dude, I don't know what your fucking problem is but you're all over the map. I understand you claim to be a teacher, most likely at a public school...enough said. Public schools cannot compete, it's just that simple. As parents we want he best for our children, that is why they attend private schools. Too many distractions at public schools, way too much indoctrination going on and the weak students pull down the better ones. That and private schools have better educators by far.

Wrong . Private schools can higher any loser they want to teach your kid. Public school teachers have all kinds of state standards and licenses they need to obtain .

Timmy you can't even spell hire correctly....public school grad I presume?

I went to catholic school . They had idiot nuns teaching us . The only thing they were good at was humiliation . There were also the idiot lay teachers who couldn't land a public school gig .

 

[Little-Acorn]

I disagree that our Ed system has failed . We do a great job at educating all kids . Our secondary Schools are known worldwide and many foreign students come here .

As I mentioned, there are some people who believe the failure to teach our young folks what disasters result when private property rights are destroyed, is not a "failure" at all. It is exactly what they intended to do: Convince the children that taking away such rights are a GOOD thing. They might even go so far as to call this "doing a great job of educating all kids". While ignoring the actual results of their agenda as practiced, of course.

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One of the foremost characteristics of socialism, is the destruction of private property rights. If you build a house, it doesn't belong to you. It belongs to your neighbor, your city, a bunch of complete strangers as much as it does to you. If you grow an apple tree, the apples aren't yours, they belong to everyone else equally. This characteristic leads to the failure of socialist economy after socialist economy, as hardworking people realize there is no benefit to working harder, since the results will be taken from them.

Yet now we have a large number of people who simply listen to the sweet rhetoric of "Everyone will get an equal share, no one will be left behind, etc.", without any consideration that they will be getting equal shares of less and less.

The idea that they can now legally get stuff for free that other people worked to produce, is becoming the dominant factor in more and more people's lives. It's a far cry from the American ideal that government's job is to protect your rights, including the right to keep what you own. One of the main jobs of a socialist-style government, is to take things from people who have more and give them to those who have less.

The educational system has utterly failed to point out the disasters that have befallen nearly every country that has tried to live this way. As a result, we find ourselves on the ever-steepening slope to yet more disaster... with the wreckage of societies that have tried it before, all around us.

 

[Unkotare]

Pretty much how it played out. The public schools were just outclassed. There were some good kids from the public side, very good ones but they couldn't put it all together

Well i watched the NCAA football championships . Alabama (public) beat Clemson (private ) . So there!

Clemson is private? Somebody better tell them!

Clemson University/ˈklɛmsən/[6] is an American public, coeducational, land-grant and sea-grant research university in Clemson,South Carolina.

Clemson University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No shit ! I always thought it was private ! Like auburn .

Usually public schools are. "X state U". Or " u of state name at city "

Auburn is a public school. I ought to know because that is where I went to undergraduate school.

Auburn was Alabama Polytechnic Institute (API) up until 1960. It was originally East Alabama Male College,a private liberal arts college, and then Agricultural and Mechanical College of Alabama.

Clemson's name was Clemson Agricultural College of South Carolina.

What !? I can't keep up with these crazy southern schools . And in the mid west they swap letters for some reasons . U of Oklahoma is know as "O U", for some reason!?

Anastrophe.

 

[Timmy]

What "property rights " have been taking from you ?

Put down the propaganda magazine .

 

[Unkotare]

I disagree that our Ed system has failed . We do a great job at educating all kids . Our secondary Schools are known worldwide and many foreign students come here .

As I mentioned, there are some people who believe the failure to teach our young folks what disasters result when private property rights are destroyed, is not a "failure" at all. It is exactly what they intended to do: Convince the children that taking away such rights are a GOOD thing. They might even go so far as to call this "doing a great job of educating all kids". While ignoring the actual results of their agenda as practiced, of course.

----------------------------------


One of the foremost characteristics of socialism, is the destruction of private property rights. If you build a house, it doesn't belong to you. It belongs to your neighbor, your city, a bunch of complete strangers as much as it does to you. If you grow an apple tree, the apples aren't yours, they belong to everyone else equally. This characteristic leads to the failure of socialist economy after socialist economy, as hardworking people realize there is no benefit to working harder, since the results will be taken from them.

Yet now we have a large number of people who simply listen to the sweet rhetoric of "Everyone will get an equal share, no one will be left behind, etc.", without any consideration that they will be getting equal shares of less and less.

The idea that they can now legally get stuff for free that other people worked to produce, is becoming the dominant factor in more and more people's lives. It's a far cry from the American ideal that government's job is to protect your rights, including the right to keep what you own. One of the main jobs of a socialist-style government, is to take things from people who have more and give them to those who have less.

The educational system has utterly failed to point out the disasters that have befallen nearly every country that has tried to live this way. As a result, we find ourselves on the ever-steepening slope to yet more disaster... with the wreckage of societies that have tried it before, all around us.

Seems you are not really talking about education, per se.

 

[initforme]

The kids should also be taught that those so called founding fathers who owned slaves were indeed NOT great men or leaders.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

OK, let's have the Umptifratz State School for the Deaf and Blind play football against the Denver Broncos and see who comes out on top!

Pretty much how it played out. The public schools were just outclassed. There were some good kids from the public side, very good ones but they couldn't put it all together

It is obvious my point went screaming over your head like the Blue Angels at the Super Bowl!

Either that or that was a pathetic attempt to admit you were wrong.

Wrong about what? The private schools destroyed the public schools, just as they do in state scores. There is no comparison

State scores? What private schools take the same tests that are required for public schools? Are we making crap up to justify your failed argument?

Dude, I don't know what your fucking problem is but you're all over the map. I understand you claim to be a teacher, most likely at a public school...enough said. Public schools cannot compete, it's just that simple. As parents we want he best for our children, that is why they attend private schools. Too many distractions at public schools, way too much indoctrination going on and the weak students pull down the better ones. That and private schools have better educators by far.

My problem is asshats like you who talk as though private schools are just better, and have no idea why they damn well should be better! They recruit academic talent and athletic talent. They kick out disruptive students and make no attempt to help children with special needs that would hurt their statistics.

You think private schools have better educators? Take any private school and look at the qualifications of the teachers. Some private schools are great, but you cannot broad brush them as all being superior. Many of the private Christian schools I dealt with in Florida had high school dropouts teaching elementary school students. I have NEVER had a private school student come to my public school without being at least 2 years behind their public school peers. Why? They were kicked out! Public schools can't do that!

So get off your private school high horse and admit the emperor has no clothes.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Pretty much how it played out. The public schools were just outclassed. There were some good kids from the public side, very good ones but they couldn't put it all together

It is obvious my point went screaming over your head like the Blue Angels at the Super Bowl!

Either that or that was a pathetic attempt to admit you were wrong.

Wrong about what? The private schools destroyed the public schools, just as they do in state scores. There is no comparison

State scores? What private schools take the same tests that are required for public schools? Are we making crap up to justify your failed argument?

Dude, I don't know what your fucking problem is but you're all over the map. I understand you claim to be a teacher, most likely at a public school...enough said. Public schools cannot compete, it's just that simple. As parents we want he best for our children, that is why they attend private schools. Too many distractions at public schools, way too much indoctrination going on and the weak students pull down the better ones. That and private schools have better educators by far.

My problem is asshats like you who talk as though private schools are just better, and have no idea why they damn well should be better! They recruit academic talent and athletic talent. They kick out disruptive students and make no attempt to help children with special needs that would hurt their statistics.

You think private schools have better educators? Take any private school and look at the qualifications of the teachers. Some private schools are great, but you cannot broad brush them as all being superior. Many of the private Christian schools I dealt with in Florida had high school dropouts teaching elementary school students. I have NEVER had a private school student come to my public school without being at least 2 years behind their public school peers. Why? They were kicked out! Public schools can't do that!

So get off your private school high horse and admit the emperor has no clothes.

They are better....now GFY asshat. If you can't have a normal convo you're not worth my time. Freaking asshole

 

[Katzndogz]

The kids should also be taught that those so called founding fathers who owned slaves were indeed NOT great men or leaders.

Of course they were. You're not good enough to recognize their brilliance. You can't found a birdcage.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

It is obvious my point went screaming over your head like the Blue Angels at the Super Bowl!

Either that or that was a pathetic attempt to admit you were wrong.

Wrong about what? The private schools destroyed the public schools, just as they do in state scores. There is no comparison

State scores? What private schools take the same tests that are required for public schools? Are we making crap up to justify your failed argument?

Dude, I don't know what your fucking problem is but you're all over the map. I understand you claim to be a teacher, most likely at a public school...enough said. Public schools cannot compete, it's just that simple. As parents we want he best for our children, that is why they attend private schools. Too many distractions at public schools, way too much indoctrination going on and the weak students pull down the better ones. That and private schools have better educators by far.

My problem is asshats like you who talk as though private schools are just better, and have no idea why they damn well should be better! They recruit academic talent and athletic talent. They kick out disruptive students and make no attempt to help children with special needs that would hurt their statistics.

You think private schools have better educators? Take any private school and look at the qualifications of the teachers. Some private schools are great, but you cannot broad brush them as all being superior. Many of the private Christian schools I dealt with in Florida had high school dropouts teaching elementary school students. I have NEVER had a private school student come to my public school without being at least 2 years behind their public school peers. Why? They were kicked out! Public schools can't do that!

So get off your private school high horse and admit the emperor has no clothes.

They are better....now GFY asshat. If you can't have a normal convo you're not worth my time. Freaking asshole

And I certainly wouldn't want a jackass such as yourself educating our children...THAT is another reason they attend private schools. Have a good night and say hello to other trolls in ignore

 

[Little-Acorn]

I disagree that our Ed system has failed . We do a great job at educating all kids . Our secondary Schools are known worldwide and many foreign students come here .

As I mentioned, there are some people who believe the failure to teach our young folks what disasters result when private property rights are destroyed, is not a "failure" at all. It is exactly what they intended to do: Convince the children that taking away such rights are a GOOD thing. They might even go so far as to call this "doing a great job of educating all kids". While ignoring the actual results of their agenda as practiced, of course.

----------------------------------


One of the foremost characteristics of socialism, is the destruction of private property rights. If you build a house, it doesn't belong to you. It belongs to your neighbor, your city, a bunch of complete strangers as much as it does to you. If you grow an apple tree, the apples aren't yours, they belong to everyone else equally. This characteristic leads to the failure of socialist economy after socialist economy, as hardworking people realize there is no benefit to working harder, since the results will be taken from them.

Yet now we have a large number of people who simply listen to the sweet rhetoric of "Everyone will get an equal share, no one will be left behind, etc.", without any consideration that they will be getting equal shares of less and less.

The idea that they can now legally get stuff for free that other people worked to produce, is becoming the dominant factor in more and more people's lives. It's a far cry from the American ideal that government's job is to protect your rights, including the right to keep what you own. One of the main jobs of a socialist-style government, is to take things from people who have more and give them to those who have less.

The educational system has utterly failed to point out the disasters that have befallen nearly every country that has tried to live this way. As a result, we find ourselves on the ever-steepening slope to yet more disaster... with the wreckage of societies that have tried it before, all around us.

Seems you are not really talking about education, per se.

I'm talking about the FAILURE of our educational system.

See the OP.

 

[initforme]

Iit solely depends on the state and location. Where I live the private schools are far behind. And its time to send all disruptive trouble making students to the private schools. Let those kids be a part of the student body. And there shall be no expulsion or detention no matter the offense.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Pretty much how it played out. The public schools were just outclassed. There were some good kids from the public side, very good ones but they couldn't put it all together

Well i watched the NCAA football championships . Alabama (public) beat Clemson (private ) . So there!

Clemson is private? Somebody better tell them!

Clemson University/ˈklɛmsən/[6] is an American public, coeducational, land-grant and sea-grant research university in Clemson,South Carolina.

Clemson University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No shit ! I always thought it was private ! Like auburn .

Usually public schools are. "X state U". Or " u of state name at city "

Auburn is a public school. I ought to know because that is where I went to undergraduate school.

Auburn was Alabama Polytechnic Institute (API) up until 1960. It was originally East Alabama Male College,a private liberal arts college, and then Agricultural and Mechanical College of Alabama.

Clemson's name was Clemson Agricultural College of South Carolina.

What !? I can't keep up with these crazy southern schools . And in the mid west they swap letters for some reason . U of Oklahoma is know as "O U",?

That's their problem. We do it correctly.

What always gets me is abbreviations that cause confusion like USC (University of Southern California) and USC (University of South Carolina).

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Wrong about what? The private schools destroyed the public schools, just as they do in state scores. There is no comparison

State scores? What private schools take the same tests that are required for public schools? Are we making crap up to justify your failed argument?

Dude, I don't know what your fucking problem is but you're all over the map. I understand you claim to be a teacher, most likely at a public school...enough said. Public schools cannot compete, it's just that simple. As parents we want he best for our children, that is why they attend private schools. Too many distractions at public schools, way too much indoctrination going on and the weak students pull down the better ones. That and private schools have better educators by far.

My problem is asshats like you who talk as though private schools are just better, and have no idea why they damn well should be better! They recruit academic talent and athletic talent. They kick out disruptive students and make no attempt to help children with special needs that would hurt their statistics.

You think private schools have better educators? Take any private school and look at the qualifications of the teachers. Some private schools are great, but you cannot broad brush them as all being superior. Many of the private Christian schools I dealt with in Florida had high school dropouts teaching elementary school students. I have NEVER had a private school student come to my public school without being at least 2 years behind their public school peers. Why? They were kicked out! Public schools can't do that!

So get off your private school high horse and admit the emperor has no clothes.

They are better....now GFY asshat. If you can't have a normal convo you're not worth my time. Freaking asshole

And I certainly wouldn't want a jackass such as yourself educating our children...THAT is another reason they attend private schools. Have a good night and say hello to other trolls in ignore

Pardon me, but the private school snob in you is showing.

 

[initforme]

Some are so easily offended, I mean shallow and myopic as they think there is no school better than theirs. Its strictly a choice. My kids went to the public schools and got a first class education. Some insecure, myopic half wits could never conceive of the notion. Fact is the worst public schools in Finland would make our best private schools look terrible. That's a fact.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It is obvious my point went screaming over your head like the Blue Angels at the Super Bowl!

Either that or that was a pathetic attempt to admit you were wrong.

Wrong about what? The private schools destroyed the public schools, just as they do in state scores. There is no comparison

State scores? What private schools take the same tests that are required for public schools? Are we making crap up to justify your failed argument?

Dude, I don't know what your fucking problem is but you're all over the map. I understand you claim to be a teacher, most likely at a public school...enough said. Public schools cannot compete, it's just that simple. As parents we want he best for our children, that is why they attend private schools. Too many distractions at public schools, way too much indoctrination going on and the weak students pull down the better ones. That and private schools have better educators by far.

My problem is asshats like you who talk as though private schools are just better, and have no idea why they damn well should be better! They recruit academic talent and athletic talent. They kick out disruptive students and make no attempt to help children with special needs that would hurt their statistics.

You think private schools have better educators? Take any private school and look at the qualifications of the teachers. Some private schools are great, but you cannot broad brush them as all being superior. Many of the private Christian schools I dealt with in Florida had high school dropouts teaching elementary school students. I have NEVER had a private school student come to my public school without being at least 2 years behind their public school peers. Why? They were kicked out! Public schools can't do that!

So get off your private school high horse and admit the emperor has no clothes.

They are better....now GFY asshat. If you can't have a normal convo you're not worth my time. Freaking asshole

If they are better just because you THINK they are better, you have more problems than I can deal with.

 

[initforme]

Admiral you don't have to prove anything. Thank you for stepping up and teaching America's youth. Those that clamor for more accountability(crybabies), believe teachers are the cause of societies problems, who cry and complain about summers off, yet say NOT to be envious of others,(those that say you can be rich too....well I say they could have been teachers), you show up for a low wage and work with them. I salute you.

 

[Unkotare]

I disagree that our Ed system has failed . We do a great job at educating all kids . Our secondary Schools are known worldwide and many foreign students come here .

As I mentioned, there are some people who believe the failure to teach our young folks what disasters result when private property rights are destroyed, is not a "failure" at all. It is exactly what they intended to do: Convince the children that taking away such rights are a GOOD thing. They might even go so far as to call this "doing a great job of educating all kids". While ignoring the actual results of their agenda as practiced, of course.

----------------------------------


One of the foremost characteristics of socialism, is the destruction of private property rights. If you build a house, it doesn't belong to you. It belongs to your neighbor, your city, a bunch of complete strangers as much as it does to you. If you grow an apple tree, the apples aren't yours, they belong to everyone else equally. This characteristic leads to the failure of socialist economy after socialist economy, as hardworking people realize there is no benefit to working harder, since the results will be taken from them.

Yet now we have a large number of people who simply listen to the sweet rhetoric of "Everyone will get an equal share, no one will be left behind, etc.", without any consideration that they will be getting equal shares of less and less.

The idea that they can now legally get stuff for free that other people worked to produce, is becoming the dominant factor in more and more people's lives. It's a far cry from the American ideal that government's job is to protect your rights, including the right to keep what you own. One of the main jobs of a socialist-style government, is to take things from people who have more and give them to those who have less.

The educational system has utterly failed to point out the disasters that have befallen nearly every country that has tried to live this way. As a result, we find ourselves on the ever-steepening slope to yet more disaster... with the wreckage of societies that have tried it before, all around us.

Seems you are not really talking about education, per se.

I'm talking about the FAILURE of our educational system....

No, you're really not.

 

[Unkotare]

... Fact is the worst public schools in Finland would make our best private schools look terrible. That's a fact.

If it is "a fact" then prove it.