Question for white folks about Obama and black folks

[Pheonixops]

yes...

but of course it goes against conventional wisdom....

so I can understand why you might have a problem with it...

No, it goes against REALITY. I guess in his effort to candy coat Jim Crow, he forgot about the Black Codes:
Segregation

As one historian has noted, "Racial segregation was hardly a new phenomenon. Before the Civil War, when slavery had fixed the status of most blacks, no need was felt for statutory measures segregating the races. The restrictive Black Codes, along with the few segregation laws passed by the first postwar governments, did not survive Reconstruction," Leon F. Litwack wrote [p. 229] in Trouble in Mind: Black Southerners in the Age of Jim Crow, the sequel to his Pulitzer Prize-winning history Been in the Storm So Long: The Aftermath of Slavery.

Re-establishment of white supremacy meant that within a decade white people forgot that blacks were creating thriving middle classes in many states of the South. African Americans' lack of representation meant that they were treated as second-class citizens, with schools and services consistently underfunded in segregated societies, no representation on juries or in law enforcement, and bias in other legislation. It was not until the Civil Rights Movement and the passage of Federal legislation that African Americans regained their suffrage and civil rights in the South, under what is sometimes referred to as the "Second Reconstruction."

Why don't you quote what Sowell actually said regarding Jim Crow, PO...

I sourced his article and if you read it, you can see where my rebuttal is correct when I referred to the "Black Codes".

 

[William Joyce]

I see a lot of withe saying that black folks voted for Obama because he is black. You say that nothing matters to blacks but the color of his skin. In reality Obama got only a fraction more of the black vote as any other Democratic candidate since 64 when LBJ got 94%. Blacks have strongly supported Dems since then so why do you think that it is now all of a sudden about skin color and not party? Also do you think that a Black GOP candidate would get a higher percentage of black votes against a white Democrat?

I think it's an insult to African Americans that whites think they voted for President Obama just based on his skin color.

As if African Americans aren't as savvy as whites to check the voting record of candidates and vote an informed choice. It's racism.

Sweetie, I'm pretty sure most WHITES don't check voting records.

Blacks check them even less, that's a guarantee...

 

[Big Black Dog]

Jesus Christ himself could run for President on the GOP ticket and the blacks would all vote Democratic. Who's kidding who? It's common knowledge that blacks almost always vote Democratic. Same thing this time around. Any black that crawl or be dragged to the polls will vote for Obama simply because he is black and specifically because he is a Democrat.

 

[Huey]

They can vote for whomever they want.Who the hell are you to tell them who or what party they want to vote for.As for going back to some plantation,there will be a whole lot of white bodies planted before that happens. So STFP

 

[Emanamana]

They can vote for whomever they want.Who the hell are you to tell them who or what party they want to vote for.As for going back to some plantation,there will be a whole lot of white bodies planted before that happens. So STFP

You people are so violent!
(Referring to Huey's threat of killing "white" people.)

 

[Pheonixops]

I see a lot of withe saying that black folks voted for Obama because he is black. You say that nothing matters to blacks but the color of his skin. In reality Obama got only a fraction more of the black vote as any other Democratic candidate since 64 when LBJ got 94%. Blacks have strongly supported Dems since then so why do you think that it is now all of a sudden about skin color and not party? Also do you think that a Black GOP candidate would get a higher percentage of black votes against a white Democrat?

Excellent question and thread.

 

[Pheonixops]

I see a lot of withe saying that black folks voted for Obama because he is black. You say that nothing matters to blacks but the color of his skin. In reality Obama got only a fraction more of the black vote as any other Democratic candidate since 64 when LBJ got 94%. Blacks have strongly supported Dems since then so why do you think that it is now all of a sudden about skin color and not party? Also do you think that a Black GOP candidate would get a higher percentage of black votes against a white Democrat?

I think it's an insult to African Americans that whites think they voted for President Obama just based on his skin color.

As if African Americans aren't as savvy as whites to check the voting record of candidates and vote an informed choice. It's racism.

In my opinion, it is an insult and meant to be one.

 

[Pheonixops]

I see a lot of withe saying that black folks voted for Obama because he is black. You say that nothing matters to blacks but the color of his skin. In reality Obama got only a fraction more of the black vote as any other Democratic candidate since 64 when LBJ got 94%. Blacks have strongly supported Dems since then so why do you think that it is now all of a sudden about skin color and not party? Also do you think that a Black GOP candidate would get a higher percentage of black votes against a white Democrat?

I think it's an insult to African Americans that whites think they voted for President Obama just based on his skin color.

As if African Americans aren't as savvy as whites to check the voting record of candidates and vote an informed choice. It's racism.

You might want to listen to this. Not that it is attributed to all people. But it is interesting.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU]Harlem voters - YouTube[/ame]

You might want to listen to this. Not that it is attributed to all people. But it is interesting.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRqcfqiXCX0&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL38D72E79EF0C5A8A]Misconceptions of Obama fuel Republican campaign - 13 Oct 08 - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ogOQ89kT0]Anti-Obama Racist Sign Outside Bar: "I Don't Support ******* In The White House." - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Pheonixops]

So, if it wasn't because he's black, how come more blacks voted in 2008 than in any other election? The turn out in 2004 for blacks was 60.5%, in 2008 it was 65.3%.

The group with the highest increase.... black females.

Interesting.

Wow! There was a 4.8% increase, so 4.8% of the people who turned out to vote may have been motivated to vote for the first President of visible African descent in this country's history! What a "racist" outrage!! Give me a fucking break...................................

 

[Pheonixops]

So, if it wasn't because he's black, how come more blacks voted in 2008 than in any other election? The turn out in 2004 for blacks was 60.5%, in 2008 it was 65.3%.

The group with the highest increase.... black females.

Interesting.

WOW!!! Really? So 4.8% more blacks showed up to vote? In 2004 122 million Americans voted. In 2008 it was 131 million. Is that also because Obama was black? So let's see we have 9 million more people voting in 2008 than 2004 that is a difference of 9 million with 624,000 more blacks voting. This is your answer? This is all because Obama was black? Had nothing to do with the American people wanting to kick the GOP out of office for whatever reason?

There you have it, her sentiments do seem to be the prevailing sentiment amongst those folks who make those claims.

 

[Pheonixops]

Personally, I think that Voter Fraud accounts for the vast majority of black support for Democrat candidates.

You can't tell me that people actually support a political party that has given them as crowing achievements: fatherless heads of household, public housing and practiced intellectual pedophilia in public school for generations.

Purple fingered elections in Baghdad are fairer and more accurate than in any Democrat controlled American city

That's a crock of shit and you can't prove it.

People do that to themselves, not political parties.

What has your party done to help "the Blacks" besides insult them?

 

[Pheonixops]

I see a lot of withe saying that black folks voted for Obama because he is black. You say that nothing matters to blacks but the color of his skin. In reality Obama got only a fraction more of the black vote as any other Democratic candidate since 64 when LBJ got 94%. Blacks have strongly supported Dems since then so why do you think that it is now all of a sudden about skin color and not party? Also do you think that a Black GOP candidate would get a higher percentage of black votes against a white Democrat?

Blacks overwhelmingly vote for the party that promises to give them stuff. And that's the party of "I'll have them ******* voting Democratic for the next 200 years "LBJ.

That's a CROCK of shit. I know and am related to plenty of affluent Black people who vote democrat. They CERTAINLY ARE NOT LOOKING FOR FREE STUFF. They simply don't want to vote for a party that has an overwhelming amount of people with a white racist cracker attitude toward them like yours.

 

[Pheonixops]

So, if it wasn't because he's black, how come more blacks voted in 2008 than in any other election? The turn out in 2004 for blacks was 60.5%, in 2008 it was 65.3%.

The group with the highest increase.... black females.

Interesting.

WOW!!! Really? So 4.8% more blacks showed up to vote? In 2004 122 million Americans voted. In 2008 it was 131 million. Is that also because Obama was black? So let's see we have 9 million more people voting in 2008 than 2004 that is a difference of 9 million with 624,000 more blacks voting. This is your answer? This is all because Obama was black? Had nothing to do with the American people wanting to kick the GOP out of office for whatever reason?

alot more to do with Obama not being vetted or called out by any major news organization that the majority of the public (less so) continue to watch.

Fox news didn't "vett him or call him out??? hannitard and limbag didn't have endless assaults against him on the radio and TV? They aren't major news organizations or media outlets?

 

[Pheonixops]

Let's put it this way, if Obama wasn't black or half-black, do you think he would of been nominated and elected?

If Obama was white, his name would be John Edwards. This man was elected soley because of the color of his skin, certainly not on his accomplishments (because he had none).

You are partially right though, blacks do vote in droves for Dems anyway, the Democrats have them hooked on the ultimate social drug - welfare. But there is no doubt that they had much higher voter turn out because of Obama being "black".

Yeah, because being part Black is a great way to get elected as POTUS, there are sooooooo many precedents to "prove" that. Thanks for the laugh!

 

[Pheonixops]

I see a lot of withe saying that black folks voted for Obama because he is black. You say that nothing matters to blacks but the color of his skin. In reality Obama got only a fraction more of the black vote as any other Democratic candidate since 64 when LBJ got 94%. Blacks have strongly supported Dems since then so why do you think that it is now all of a sudden about skin color and not party? Also do you think that a Black GOP candidate would get a higher percentage of black votes against a white Democrat?

Republicans are 90% white. They never would have made Herman Cain their nominee.

Yep, they just jerks like him to make blanket insults against "the Blacks" and to be their attack dog against Obama. Notice how they dropped him like a hot potato after those allegations.

 

[Pheonixops]

The Libtards argument is that because the Democrats own Afros, that you can't make a case that they voted for Obama because he's the color of shit. However, the argument fails because Afro candidates, not white Democrats, get the Afro vote in Democrat vs. Democrat races.

For example, Alvin Greene, in spite of facing criminal charges, being retarded, and having no money to campaign with, beat Democrat challenger Vic Rawl, a respected and experienced politician, but white.

Afros prove every day that they're just racist animals. That's their choice, not mine.

Are you a republican or conservative?

 

[William Joyce]

As for going back to some plantation,there will be a whole lot of white bodies planted before that happens.

Please. If it ever came to blows, whites would be clearing areas in tanks. Blacks would be screaming and running, "lawdy, lawdy!"

It would be kind of sad for black people, actually. I think I might feel sorry for them.

 

[Pheonixops]

Lol

 

[MuadDib]

I see a lot of withe saying that black folks voted for Obama because he is black. You say that nothing matters to blacks but the color of his skin. In reality Obama got only a fraction more of the black vote as any other Democratic candidate since 64 when LBJ got 94%. Blacks have strongly supported Dems since then so why do you think that it is now all of a sudden about skin color and not party? Also do you think that a Black GOP candidate would get a higher percentage of black votes against a white Democrat?

Blacks overwhelmingly vote for the party that promises to give them stuff. And that's the party of "I'll have them ******* voting Democratic for the next 200 years "LBJ.

That's a CROCK of shit. I know and am related to plenty of affluent Black people who vote democrat. They CERTAINLY ARE NOT LOOKING FOR FREE STUFF. They simply don't want to vote for a party that has an overwhelming amount of people with a white racist cracker attitude toward them like yours.

That's intellectually dishonest. Without a doubt, 2 of the primary motivating factors that stimulated the vote for Obama were race and free stuff. The slight uptick in blacks voting is evidence of the race factor and when you have his supporters declaring that Obama is going to put gas in their cars, pay their mortgages, and everything's gonna be alright now, you can't deny the role of free stuff.

A third factor is that America is leaning more and more towards socialism, and Obama is without a doubt a closet socialist. You only have to listen to his speeches, read his books, and know the organizations and radical leftists that he has associated with all of his life to figure that out.

I think a fourth factor was probably that, with his admissions that he smoked a little weed (he inhaled!) and did a little blow, that he would end marijuana prohibition and maybe finally bring a little common sense to this stupid, senseless War on Drugs, but that hasn't happened either.

Obama blew all of his political capital on bullshit like the stimulus package and Obamacare, but has failed to do the things that really needed to be done. Now his administration is floundering and he simply has no plan or even a clue of what to do. Not that ever really did have a plan. He entered the presidential race in 2008 not really expecting to get the nomination and hadn't really thought things through.

He's uniquely unqualified for the office he holds and in over his head.

 

[Pheonixops]

Blacks overwhelmingly vote for the party that promises to give them stuff. And that's the party of "I'll have them ******* voting Democratic for the next 200 years "LBJ.

That's a CROCK of shit. I know and am related to plenty of affluent Black people who vote democrat. They CERTAINLY ARE NOT LOOKING FOR FREE STUFF. They simply don't want to vote for a party that has an overwhelming amount of people with a white racist cracker attitude toward them like yours.

That's intellectually dishonest. Without a doubt, 2 of the primary motivating factors that stimulated the vote for Obama were race and free stuff. The slight uptick in blacks voting is evidence of the race factor and when you have his supporters declaring that Obama is going to put gas in their cars, pay their mortgages, and everything's gonna be alright now, you can't deny the role of free stuff.

A third factor is that America is leaning more and more towards socialism, and Obama is without a doubt a closet socialist. You only have to listen to his speeches, read his books, and know the organizations and radical leftists that he has associated with all of his life to figure that out.

I think a fourth factor was probably that, with his admissions that he smoked a little weed (he inhaled!) and did a little blow, that he would end marijuana prohibition and maybe finally bring a little common sense to this stupid, senseless War on Drugs, but that hasn't happened either.

Obama blew all of his political capital on bullshit like the stimulus package and Obamacare, but has failed to do the things that really needed to be done. Now his administration is floundering and he simply has no plan or even a clue of what to do. Not that ever really did have a plan. He entered the presidential race in 2008 not really expecting to get the nomination and hadn't really thought things through.

He's uniquely unqualified for the office he holds and in over his head.

REally, where is your data to back up that stupid assertion of yours??